Retaeh Parsons

polaris_x

kids these days ...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybre ... 03391.html

sounds like she had a promising life ahead of her ... human nature's cruelty clearly has no bounds and the lessons learned everywhere are having little to no effect ...

how do these kids look themselves in the mirror? :twisted:

pandora

just read a poem for her online 'Heart Still Beating'
last line ...

Hope has failed



these boys will suffer can't look away from the mirror in the end

supersonicyears

I just read this on cnn. It makes me sick. They circulated a picture of an underage girl and they still weren't arrested. I f$cking can't believe this. That poor girl.

even flow - question mark

Teenage life it tough for some kids. Throw in the fact that the world revolves around them and they can check their precious status on facebook and whatever anytime they want to see if the are relevant or not, well you are just walking into an unwanted world.

I know the above is not to do with the story all that much. But it fits the bill. You can abuse and be abused on line much, much, easier then face to face. Even if you are posting threats and pictures under your real name.

Jeanwah

Parents criticise Canadian police after teen's suicide

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/22106041

josevolution

This makes me so damn pissed i don't know how i would react if this happened to my 16yr old daughter :evil:

polaris_x

this is happening everywhere ...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/calif-sheriffs ... 47320.html

pjhawks

polaris_x wrote:

this is happening everywhere ...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/calif-sheriffs ... 47320.html

these stories are just heartbreaking and sickening. makes me glad i'm not a kid today. bullying is so much easier today. at least when it happened in our time we could head home and not have to deal with it. with social media today the bullying never stops. it's horrible.

Jeanwah

pjhawks wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

this is happening everywhere ...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/calif-sheriffs ... 47320.html

these stories are just heartbreaking and sickening. makes me glad i'm not a kid today. bullying is so much easier today. at least when it happened in our time we could head home and not have to deal with it. with social media today the bullying never stops. it's horrible.

Still, there is something terribly sick about a person to consider that killing themselves is an ideal way to cope. That line of thinking is sickness. It's not simply caused by a bully. These kids probably have no parental support nor resilience.

josevolution

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1 ... d%3D297404

This is fucking sick what has happened to todays teen boys somethintg needs to be done i say try them to the fullest extent of law or make examples of them by putting them away for life , or better yet parents are held liable but clearly these kids think this is ok to do .....Either way our youth in this country has gone to shit ..

polaris_x

Jeanwah wrote:

Still, there is something terribly sick about a person to consider that killing themselves is an ideal way to cope. That line of thinking is sickness. It's not simply caused by a bully. These kids probably have no parental support nor resilience.

i dunno ... that sounds very harsh ... retaeh parson had a great relationship with her mom ... she had promised to not kill herself because of the heartache it would do to her mom ... but still ... she got sent over the edge ...

unless you've been gang-raped and had the photos go viral and lose all your friends and constantly been bullied for years ... not sure you can pass judgment ...

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Jeanwah wrote:

Still, there is something terribly sick about a person to consider that killing themselves is an ideal way to cope. That line of thinking is sickness. It's not simply caused by a bully. These kids probably have no parental support nor resilience.

yikes. that's a pretty judgmental statement to make about a person, don't you think?

even flow - question mark

polaris_x wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Still, there is something terribly sick about a person to consider that killing themselves is an ideal way to cope. That line of thinking is sickness. It's not simply caused by a bully. These kids probably have no parental support nor resilience.

i dunno ... that sounds very harsh ... retaeh parson had a great relationship with her mom ... she had promised to not kill herself because of the heartache it would do to her mom ... but still ... she got sent over the edge ...

unless you've been gang-raped and had the photos go viral and lose all your friends and constantly been bullied for years ... not sure you can pass judgment ...

But, isn't this pretty much the same story from Ohio? So should she shoulder some of the blame too?

Just being Devils you know what.

pjhawks

polaris_x wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Still, there is something terribly sick about a person to consider that killing themselves is an ideal way to cope. That line of thinking is sickness. It's not simply caused by a bully. These kids probably have no parental support nor resilience.

i dunno ... that sounds very harsh ... retaeh parson had a great relationship with her mom ... she had promised to not kill herself because of the heartache it would do to her mom ... but still ... she got sent over the edge ...

unless you've been gang-raped and had the photos go viral and lose all your friends and constantly been bullied for years ... not sure you can pass judgment ...

agree that comment above was pretty harsh. to quote ED and PJ "and the young they can lose hope because they can't see beyond today". always loved that line from Ed and it pretty accurately sums up how something like this can lead to these types of situations.

polaris_x

even flow - question mark wrote:

But, isn't this pretty much the same story from Ohio? So should she shoulder some of the blame too?

Just being Devils you know what.

absolutely ... my views on that have not changed ...

Jeanwah

polaris_x wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Still, there is something terribly sick about a person to consider that killing themselves is an ideal way to cope. That line of thinking is sickness. It's not simply caused by a bully. These kids probably have no parental support nor resilience.

i dunno ... that sounds very harsh ... retaeh parson had a great relationship with her mom ... she had promised to not kill herself because of the heartache it would do to her mom ... but still ... she got sent over the edge ...

unless you've been gang-raped and had the photos go viral and lose all your friends and constantly been bullied for years ... not sure you can pass judgment ...

You're right, her situation is especially awful, and re-reading what I wrote sounds insensitive. I didn't mean it to be.

I do think that with this epidemic it seems of rapists, gang raping, et al, and then documenting with phones, comes an epidemic of seeking relief though suicide though. They are 2 problems we need to deal with. Did she really tell her mother that? And then go ahead and do it anyway? That is a problem in itself!

even flow - question mark

polaris_x wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

But, isn't this pretty much the same story from Ohio? So should she shoulder some of the blame too?

Just being Devils you know what.

absolutely ... my views on that have not changed ...

I know you're a straight shooter. Just wanted to make sure you weren't flip flopping. Maybe American politics got to you.

polaris_x

Jeanwah wrote:

You're right, her situation is especially awful, and re-reading what I wrote sounds insensitive. I didn't mean it to be.

I do think that with this epidemic it seems of rapists, gang raping, et al, and then documenting with phones, comes an epidemic of seeking relief though suicide though. They are 2 problems we need to deal with. Did she really tell her mother that? And then go ahead and do it anyway? That is a problem in itself!

i know you probably didn't mean for it to come out this way ... and similar to my viewpoints on stuebenville -it is worth considering what role that played in the eventual outcome ...

at the end of the day - we need to explore all aspects of this ever growing reality if we are to make a change ...

Jeanwah

polaris_x wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

You're right, her situation is especially awful, and re-reading what I wrote sounds insensitive. I didn't mean it to be.

I do think that with this epidemic it seems of rapists, gang raping, et al, and then documenting with phones, comes an epidemic of seeking relief though suicide though. They are 2 problems we need to deal with. Did she really tell her mother that? And then go ahead and do it anyway? That is a problem in itself!

i know you probably didn't mean for it to come out this way ... and similar to my viewpoints on stuebenville -it is worth considering what role that played in the eventual outcome ...

at the end of the day - we need to explore all aspects of this ever growing reality if we are to make a change ...

I sincerely believe in life. If you think about it, the bullies win when the the victim ends their life. It's just so sad that youths now barely hesitate to end their entire lives from bullying. I have no right to judge; I have never been in a situation as this girl had been, but to go as far as ending it all, in spite of everything and everyone including family whom would be broken-hearted.... I just have no words as to using suicide as a coping mechanism... Nothing, no thing is worth choosing death over life (unless you're terminally ill, different topic). And I've been near the end once before, not by choice, Hell I'm really lucky to have my life right now... I would help anyone and everyone who would ever think of ending it all due to being bullied, or any other reason for that matter. It's a serious epidemic and problem that suicide is so casually accepted by bullied youth. We can help these people, but they have to want to help themselves first.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Jeanwah wrote:

I sincerely believe in life. If you think about it, the bullies win when the the victim ends their life. It's just so sad that youths now barely hesitate to end their entire lives from bullying. I have no right to judge; I have never been in a situation as this girl had been, but to go as far as ending it all, in spite of everything and everyone including family whom would be broken-hearted.... I just have no words as to using suicide as a coping mechanism... Nothing, no thing is worth choosing death over life (unless you're terminally ill, different topic). And I've been near the end once before, not by choice, Hell I'm really lucky to have my life right now... I would help anyone and everyone who would ever think of ending it all due to being bullied, or any other reason for that matter. It's a serious epidemic and problem that suicide is so casually accepted by bullied youth. We can help these people, but they have to want to help themselves first.

I disagree that suicide is casually accepted by today's youth. I think no matter what generation, it is still an agonizing decision to make. but I think the triggers get worse with every generation. whereas my situation would blow over when the day was done, cameras and videocameras on phones and devices and facebook pages and previously myspace pages make it FOREVER, not to mention the bullies are even worse because they have the shield of the internet. people say things online that they would never say to someone's face. and bullies are no exception. I can't imagine being a kid in today's world. It scares the fuck out of me for my daughters. My wife and I are going to be extremely proactive in talking to them about this shit, because it's out of control.

yes, you are right, nothing is worth dying for. But put yourself in this position for a moment, in the position of today's youth. even if you move away from the bully, those pictures or videos can potentially haunt you for the rest of your life. Think about that. The rest of your life. I can imagine from that line of thinking that suicide seems like a pretty logical choice.

Jeanwah

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I sincerely believe in life. If you think about it, the bullies win when the the victim ends their life. It's just so sad that youths now barely hesitate to end their entire lives from bullying. I have no right to judge; I have never been in a situation as this girl had been, but to go as far as ending it all, in spite of everything and everyone including family whom would be broken-hearted.... I just have no words as to using suicide as a coping mechanism... Nothing, no thing is worth choosing death over life (unless you're terminally ill, different topic). And I've been near the end once before, not by choice, Hell I'm really lucky to have my life right now... I would help anyone and everyone who would ever think of ending it all due to being bullied, or any other reason for that matter. It's a serious epidemic and problem that suicide is so casually accepted by bullied youth. We can help these people, but they have to want to help themselves first.

I disagree that suicide is casually accepted by today's youth. I think no matter what generation, it is still an agonizing decision to make. but I think the triggers get worse with every generation. whereas my situation would blow over when the day was done, cameras and videocameras on phones and devices and facebook pages and previously myspace pages make it FOREVER, not to mention the bullies are even worse because they have the shield of the internet. people say things online that they would never say to someone's face. and bullies are no exception. I can't imagine being a kid in today's world. It scares the fuck out of me for my daughters. My wife and I are going to be extremely proactive in talking to them about this shit, because it's out of control.

yes, you are right, nothing is worth dying for. But put yourself in this position for a moment, in the position of today's youth. even if you move away from the bully, those pictures or videos can potentially haunt you for the rest of your life. Think about that. The rest of your life. I can imagine from that line of thinking that suicide seems like a pretty logical choice.

Agonizing decision, perhaps, but a quick one, you can't deny that. I don't know the logistics of this particular case, but victims don't weigh their options for weeks or months it seems, it's pretty decided and done rather quickly, like a couple days it seems. To me, that's a casual and not clear minded, long thought about decision. A quick way out.

Listen, I'm not here to argue with you. But there's a thing to be said about resilience. We need to teach our kids that no matter what anyone says or does to them, they have the power of rising above it. That photo or video you reference? Only the kids themselves allow the evidence to tear them apart - yes, it's damaging, but you don't allow another person to win. You don't allow them to drive you to suicide!!! These kids have power, power that they don't use or know how to. They don't have coping skills. That's where we come in.

You think you are scared about your daughters, I have a daughter with Down syndrome - talk about a reason to bully, bullies take refuge on the ones who can't protect themselves. That's why we need to teach them how to. I'm scared shitless of her being tormented, ever. But she knows that if someone says something mean to her, she knows to ignore it, to not let them get the best of her. I drive that into her every single day. And my girl has confidence to stand up for herself. At least until I have to step in, God forbid.