4 year old shoots and kills a 6 year old on play date

Guitar92playerGuitar92player Posts: 664
edited April 2013 in A Moving Train
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/us/new-je ... hooting11a

Screw gun bans and registration, sounds like me need to have people take a test on gun safety before they can purchase a gun. :roll:

Very sad. Those parents do not know how to safely keep a gun in the home. I am not saying take it away from them, but they are obviously not responsible enough to own one.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/us/new-jersey-child-shooting/index.html?sr=fb041013playdateshooting11a

    Screw gun bans and registration, sounds like me need to have people take a test on gun safety before they can purchase a gun. :roll:

    Very sad. Those parents do not know how to safely keep a gun in the home. I am not saying take it away from them, but they are obviously not responsible enough to own one.
    We need a gun forum.

    Kat? :P

    If the parents (or gunowners in general) are irresponsible, how can you justify not taking it away from them? Your last paragraph contradicts itself.

    I'd apply the same logic to driving, raising children, having a dog/cat, etc.
  • hedonist wrote:
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/09/us/new-jersey-child-shooting/index.html?sr=fb041013playdateshooting11a

    Screw gun bans and registration, sounds like me need to have people take a test on gun safety before they can purchase a gun. :roll:

    Very sad. Those parents do not know how to safely keep a gun in the home. I am not saying take it away from them, but they are obviously not responsible enough to own one.
    We need a gun forum.

    Kat? :P

    If the parents (or gunowners in general) are irresponsible, how can you justify not taking it away from them? Your last paragraph contradicts itself.

    I'd apply the same logic to driving, raising children, having a dog/cat, etc.

    Yeah,I guess it sounds contradictory. lol

    But, if I would have said "take it away", my head would've been bit off by some nut cases. :roll: And today I am not in an arguing mood.
    ~Carter~

    You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
    or you can come to terms and realize
    you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
    makes much more sense to live in the present tense
    - Present Tense
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    There's a separate incident that occurred on the same day where a different 4 year old took a gun and shot the wife of a sheriffs deputy and killed her. These are the 'responsible' folks?
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  • so sad. so many families lives ruined because of the stupidity of one.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,099
    hedonist wrote:
    We need a gun forum.

    Kat? :P

    I second the motion. Gun issues have become an entity in-of-itself. Today, more popular even than Jesus.

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    We need a gun forum.

    Kat? :P

    I second the motion. Gun issues have become an entity in-of-itself. Today, more popular even than Jesus.

    viewtopic.php?f=10&t=206726
    Ah, the irony - sad one at that - considering Lennon's old quote.

    (nice writing there, btw)
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,653
    3300 gun related deaths since Newtown and counting , we don't have a gun problem any fool can buy a weapon ..And the parents of this child are fools & irresponsible fucking sad .....I'm sick of the news
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    the parents should be jailed for gross negligence.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • the parents should be jailed for gross negligence.

    yep
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    at least you people are finally blameming the proper thing (parents)
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,462
    81 wrote:
    at least you people are finally blameming the proper thing (parents)


    I bet if the gun wasn't available, that 4 year old would have likely dragged the 6 year old into a car, drove to a high rise building, went up to the top floor and pushed him into the garbage shoot, huh?
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  • 81 wrote:
    at least you people are finally blameming the proper thing (parents)


    I bet if the gun wasn't available, that 4 year old would have likely dragged the 6 year old into a car, drove to a high rise building, went up to the top floor and pushed him into the garbage shoot, huh?


    :clap:
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    81 wrote:
    at least you people are finally blameming the proper thing (parents)
    Agreed! Isn't neglectful supervision already something that is illegal? If your 4 year old is getting into your guns, drugs, porn, keys, cleaner, etc...shouldn't the parent be the one held responsible instead of the guns, porn, keys, cleaner, etc? I bet it's safe to say many more children die from accidentally ingesting prescription drug and household cleaners than guns...
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    81 wrote:
    at least you people are finally blameming the proper thing (parents)


    I bet if the gun wasn't available, that 4 year old would have likely dragged the 6 year old into a car, drove to a high rise building, went up to the top floor and pushed him into the garbage shoot, huh?
    exactly.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    81 wrote:
    at least you people are finally blameming the proper thing (parents)


    I bet if the gun wasn't available, that 4 year old would have likely dragged the 6 year old into a car, drove to a high rise building, went up to the top floor and pushed him into the garbage shoot, huh?
    Just do be clear, are you advocating banning all guns? That includes hunting rifles, shotguns, as well as pistols? There are accidents where children get a hold of hunting rifles and shotguns as well...but I didn't realize we were advocating banning them because of this? It's the parent's responsibility to ensure they do not get their hands on them...otherwise they are being neglectful, which is illegal.
  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    81 wrote:
    at least you people are finally blameming the proper thing (parents)


    I bet if the gun wasn't available, that 4 year old would have likely dragged the 6 year old into a car, drove to a high rise building, went up to the top floor and pushed him into the garbage shoot, huh?


    or not :fp:
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  • 81 wrote:
    81 wrote:
    at least you people are finally blameming the proper thing (parents)


    I bet if the gun wasn't available, that 4 year old would have likely dragged the 6 year old into a car, drove to a high rise building, went up to the top floor and pushed him into the garbage shoot, huh?


    or not :fp:

    Is this the best you could do?

    Come to think of it, it likely is. Good effort.
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    Is this the best you could do?

    Come to think of it, it likely is. Good effort.

    don't be upset that you in the minority.
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  • 81 wrote:
    Is this the best you could do?

    Come to think of it, it likely is. Good effort.

    don't be upset that you in the minority.

    Huh? Good try again. :lol:
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    You can talk until you are blue in the face, but at the end of the day, you've lost the gun arguement.

    They are legal, and they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

    It's a shame this kid had irresponbile parents. It's a shame there are nut jobs out there. Feel free to do back ground checks on peeps... i'm cool with that.....but don't think guns are going away.

    cheers.
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  • 81 wrote:
    You can talk until you are blue in the face, but at the end of the day, you've lost the gun arguement.

    They are legal, and they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

    It's a shame this kid had irresponbile parents. It's a shame there are nut jobs out there. Feel free to do back ground checks on peeps... i'm cool with that.....but don't think guns are going away.

    cheers.

    I think you would have to admit the gun argument is weighted heavily towards gun reform.

    I would agree with you that the guns we speak of likely aren't going anywhere anytime soon. This is reality.

    Completely agree with your third comment as well.

    Cheers to you as well.
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  • 81 wrote:
    You can talk until you are blue in the face, but at the end of the day, you've lost the gun arguement.

    not really sure what you mean by "lost the gun argument". seems to me the issue is still a hot one, which means the argument isn't over by a long shot.

    and even if what you say is true, doesn't mean we should give up. If Abe Lincoln had given up his argument, where would your country be today?
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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    81 wrote:
    You can talk until you are blue in the face, but at the end of the day, you've lost the gun arguement.

    not really sure what you mean by "lost the gun argument". seems to me the issue is still a hot one, which means the argument isn't over by a long shot.

    and even if what you say is true, doesn't mean we should give up. If Abe Lincoln had given up his argument, where would your country be today?


    feel free to vote for people that agree with your stance.
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  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    brianlux wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    We need a gun forum.

    Kat? :P

    I second the motion. Gun issues have become an entity in-of-itself. Today, more popular even than Jesus.

    viewtopic.php?f=10&t=206726

    agree
    and agree
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  • 81 wrote:

    feel free to vote for people that agree with your stance.

    always do. don't really have to worry about this issue, though, where I am.
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  • Pro gun argument :
    Government wants to enslave us and we need to be prepared.

    Bad guys will get us.

    A really old document says I can have whatever gun I choose.

    Pro gun reform argument:
    11,000 deaths per year are too many.

    Other progressive countries have undergone such an initiative and have experienced dramatic results.

    Not seeking to get rid of all guns. Just the military grade ones.

    Wanting to design and implement registry and background checks to try and keep guns from falling in the wrong hands.

    If one was to be objective, I think one side obliterates the other with regards to an argument.

    These are the prevalent points pushed forward in this debate.
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,064
    This is a horrible shame.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    since when did the gun debate become about whether there are guns or no guns!?? ...

    i thought it was about eliminating assault weapons and increasing background checks on ownership? ... i can't believe anyone would want to side with a group like the NRA ... they are like the westboro baptist church ... so wrapped up in their own delusions that they can't see the absurdity in their beliefs ...
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    So, the 4 year old goes inside to get a rifle, comes outside and shoots his friend with it. So, was it intentional? It sounds it, doesn't it? Which is far more disturbing than an accidental shooting from merely playing with guns...

    Regardless, I am sick of hearing about these tragedies. What's the solution? Prosecuting parents? The parents were right there in the side yard! They're not going to ban guns... But there's got to be some solution here. Mandatory lock up of personal items and keeping them unloaded?
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,653
    81 wrote:
    You can talk until you are blue in the face, but at the end of the day, you've lost the gun arguement.

    They are legal, and they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

    It's a shame this kid had irresponbile parents. It's a shame there are nut jobs out there. Feel free to do back ground checks on peeps... i'm cool with that.....but don't think guns are going away.

    cheers.

    At least CT has enough sense to put new laws into effect and this argument is far from over , we the minority as you call the Anti assault weapons folks are not in the minority here on this forum you are the one in the minority . We are sick of gun violence go ahead go and play with your guns .....
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