i dont have the best opinion for her as politician,alot of friends i talked about her at UK hate her
the only thing im sure she did right was about football hooligans..she made the right call after heizel and that shit almost ended at the island..
anyway..for sure,im not gonna celebrate that she died,its a human beign..but for sure i know alot of people really really hate her..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
i know..but want Thatcher mistake..alot of people made mistake that day,police,people at the stadium,the fans..was overcrowded
,her call ,clear all those things happened every week at the league matches..was a good call to put out teams from europe cups and re organize the whole..no violence inside the stadiums anymore at uk
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
But because of Thatcher, there will never again be another woman in power in British politics, and rather than opening that particular door for other women, she closed it."
Well that is a sad piece of commentary. Women looked at as all the same. After a terrible Male prime minister I wonder if anyone typed something similar.
But because of Thatcher, there will never again be another woman in power in British politics, and rather than opening that particular door for other women, she closed it."
Well that is a sad piece of commentary. Women looked at as all the same. After a terrible Male prime minister I wonder if anyone typed something similar.
Yeah whoever said that was obviously overstating it a little but there hasn't been one since and no woman has come remotely close. Thatcher hated feminists and despite being a woman and coming from very humble beginnings she never opened any doors for people to follow suit but actually made social mobility much more difficult.
Unfortunately women are still not equal in today's society.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I'm actually from the part of England which she decimated with her destructive and evil policies. Entire communities were utterly destroyed by her and deliberately so, and we've never recovered. I could fill a book on the subject but I'll just keep it short:
There will be no tears shed for that disgusting creature round here, and it's a shame that I'm an atheist because nothing would please me more than knowing that she's burning in hell for all eternity.
Most of the quotes I've read on here and on Facebook in the last couple of days are from people who either weren't:
1. Paying taxes.
2. Wiping their own arses.
3. From families left struggling under her reign.
4. Born.
Speaking as someone who was of voting age and eligible to pay Poll Tax under Thatcher's reign, I can say that those kids on Facebook are still Thatcher's children. The policies she championed are painfully active and blighting the economy of a country deregulated and stripped of vital industries, national services and raw materials in pursuit of boom and bust.
Blair only continued Thatcher's ideas, and the Bullingdon brigade of Cameron and Osborne seem determined to carry her doctrine through to its outmoded but (il)logical conclusion. Where there's failed, jingoistic, backward-looking education policies and leaking school roofs, Thatcher's alive. Where there's mass unemployment and victimisation of 'benefits culture', Thatcher's alive. While bankers get bonuses, Thatcher's alive. While the health service gets sold off, bit by bit, and insurance companies salivate, Thatcher's alive.
Thatcher will keep having children beyond the grave, until Thatcherism's a thing of the past.
Such a great post! Quite poetic. Bravo.
I hated thatcher then and still do now, but I actually think this current bullingdon brigade are even worse than her. They are attacking a long-term benefits culture that arguably was started by her in the first place by destroying whole communities and their jobs base. They are attacking innocent DISABLED people who have done nothing to deserve it, while letting their own people (ie: bankers) off the hook pretty much despite them totally trashing the economy.
I read in the guardian the other day that 1,700 (!!) disabled people are said to have died or killed themselves as a result of being found "fit for work" even if they presumably weren't. 1,700!! It's like a genocide if you ask me. The wrong people are getting punished and they are just getting away with it.
(Sometimes I wonder if it was all a deliberate ploy cooked up by the tory boys and their banking cronies who fund them, to destroy the economy just so they have an excuse to heavily cut public spending).
What gets me however is that although thatcher gets a lot of hate, (deservedly so), I wonder how much of it is because she was female? She attacked the unions, and I think a lot of old-fashioned working class men are probably quite chauvinistic in their thinking, and probably would, on some level, object to a tough, hard woman with the face of a boot tell them what to do. If she'd been a man, would she still be getting this much vitriol I wonder? If she was a man would her hard attitude and her policies just be seen as part of the course? Would people be dancing on Cameron and Osborn's graves in 20-40 years' time? I can't see that happening somehow.
I don't think thatcher should get away with what she's done to people and their communities, but I don't think these guys should either. I'm hoping people will remember their sins too and we'll be allowed to "celebrate" their passing too.
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Speaking as someone who was of voting age and eligible to pay Poll Tax under Thatcher's reign, I can say that those kids on Facebook are still Thatcher's children. The policies she championed are painfully active and blighting the economy of a country deregulated and stripped of vital industries, national services and raw materials in pursuit of boom and bust.
Blair only continued Thatcher's ideas, and the Bullingdon brigade of Cameron and Osborne seem determined to carry her doctrine through to its outmoded but (il)logical conclusion. Where there's failed, jingoistic, backward-looking education policies and leaking school roofs, Thatcher's alive. Where there's mass unemployment and victimisation of 'benefits culture', Thatcher's alive. While bankers get bonuses, Thatcher's alive. While the health service gets sold off, bit by bit, and insurance companies salivate, Thatcher's alive.
Thatcher will keep having children beyond the grave, until Thatcherism's a thing of the past.
Another great open letter written by the Hampshire Feminist Collective (worth a read to understand her politics, even if you are a bloke ):
An open letter to American feminists on the death of Margaret Thatcher
9 April, 2013 by Hampshire Feminist Collective
So yesterday was a Big Thing for Brits on the Internet. And then this happened, a statement that needed saying:
A couple of HFC members have become dismayed at some American feminist pages’ lauding of Thatcher as a feminist icon. This is not the case. She described feminism as poison. But in lauding her they are often at pains to make clear that they ‘don’t agree with the politics but as a woman in power she deserves celebrating’. This is reducing her to her gender, and ignoring the harmful effect she had on women, on the LGBTQ community, and her supporting of racist, classist and genocidal regimes. One cannot laud someone’s office whilst ignoring the crimes they do whilst there, and to reduce anyone to their gender is being sexist.
For those not in the UK, it’s easy to see her as an abstract landmark event. For the people living in the UK we have her legacy, it isn’t historic. It’s going on NOW. It’s a pretty fucked up legacy, that is hurting women, people with disabilities, and is making the UK a more and more unequal society. This is not an abstract to us. We are living this.
When a couple of us took the page in question to task on these very issues, they ignored the testimony of a 33 year old woman who was raised in poverty in Thatcher’s Britain. But in a bizarre possible form of sexism reserved all their replies for the male member of HFC.
We find the idea of forced solidarity with Thatcher based upon her gender highly patronising, and would rather celebrate the women of Greenham Common, the miner’s wives and all other women who opposed Thatcher, not because of their gender, but because of what they stood for.
(SC + PIX + IZZI) [from our Facebook page]
When we as feminists call out Caitlin Moran for racism, when we call out transphobic radical feminists — we hope to make some points about how a feminism without intersectionality isn’t a feminism we want any part of, and why bigotry isn’t feminist.
When we call FEMEN out for racism, we hope to do the same. Izzi is a Muslim and a feminist; no one is asking her to stand in solidarity with FEMEN just because they are women.
One of these pages on FB has a massive focus on intersectionality normally; we were BEYOND pissed off. Pix is the member raised in poverty by a single mum and DV survivor. Pix’s mum used to go without food to feed her and her siblings. And Pix’s mum and women like her were vilified by the government of the time. (See study here)
Pix is 33 and joked, ‘I feel like aping the bad Vietnam movie trope of “YOU WEREN’T THERE, MAN.”’
When you laud Thatcher as a feminist icon, you erase that experience. You uphold a racist, homophobic, classist woman who was probably one of the best examples of internalised misogyny to ever hit the halls of power in the UK, or as one of our members put it, ‘Holding Thatcher up as a feminist icon is like kicking intersectionality in the stomach.’
Thatcherism is alive and well in the UK today. We dare American feminists to say that she is a feminist icon to feminists with disabilities in the UK, when they fail to consider her legacy, in the demonization of the working class and people on benefits, disability hate crimes as result of Tory rhetoric, and the ATOS medical tests that have deemed people fit for work who later died, or committed suicide in 2012. We dare them to say that to women like Pix, and her mum, who lived in social housing whilst it was being sold off, and communities in these less affluent areas crumbled. (An excerpt from Owen Jones’s Chavs: The Demonisation Of The Working Class)
Another member found this today, from Tumblr. And it says what we were attempting to say so, so well.
My feminism doesn’t support women who go to immense lengths to cut services that directly help and benefit other women.
My feminism doesn’t support all women simply because they’re women.
My feminism doesn’t support women who use their power to plunder, steal and exacerbate class gaps.
My feminism doesn’t support warmongering and bigoted propaganda wielding.
My feminism doesn’t support anyone who upholds an apartheid state as the beacon of civilization while referring to resistance organizations as “terrorism”.
My feminism doesn’t support white supremacy, exploitation of the proletariat, imperialism and misogyny (wow, shocker, women can perpetuate misogyny!!!!) all of which thatcher was disgustingly guilty of.
My feminism doesn’t support women who reinforce the idea of a heteronormative nuclear family structure, while publicly referring to feminism as poison.
My feminism doesn’t support systematic oppression, full stop.
– maarnayeri
So, American feminists, please THINK before you get all misty eyed about ‘The Iron Lady’. Please, don’t patronise British people in marginalised sections of our society. Please don’t erase our experiences, and don’t forget your intersectionality when it comes to Lady T.
With thanks,
Hampshire Feminist Collective
–
Further things you may want to read as to the political landscape of the 1980s in the UK:
Thatcher’s support of Pinochet, and turning a blind eye to human rights abuses in Chile at the time (content note: rape and torture)
An op-ed from 2010 and the release of The Iron Lady
How women were an essential part of the miners’ strikes and their communities in the 1980s
The Greenham Common Women’s Peace Camp
WhyDoPeopleHateThatcher
Most of the quotes I've read on here and on Facebook in the last couple of days are from people who either weren't:
1. Paying taxes.
2. Wiping their own arses.
3. From families left struggling under her reign.
4. Born.
Speaking as someone who was of voting age and eligible to pay Poll Tax under Thatcher's reign, I can say that those kids on Facebook are still Thatcher's children. The policies she championed are painfully active and blighting the economy of a country deregulated and stripped of vital industries, national services and raw materials in pursuit of boom and bust.
Blair only continued Thatcher's ideas, and the Bullingdon brigade of Cameron and Osborne seem determined to carry her doctrine through to its outmoded but (il)logical conclusion. Where there's failed, jingoistic, backward-looking education policies and leaking school roofs, Thatcher's alive. Where there's mass unemployment and victimisation of 'benefits culture', Thatcher's alive. While bankers get bonuses, Thatcher's alive. While the health service gets sold off, bit by bit, and insurance companies salivate, Thatcher's alive.
Thatcher will keep having children beyond the grave, until Thatcherism's a thing of the past.
I think thatchers legacy is far more mixed than both sides are leaving on. On the bad side she left cities in northern England and Scotland degenerate, her handling of the hunger strikes in northern ireland was atrocious, she was badly wrong on South Africa. However she also managed to face up to the unions which in the 80's where far too powerful, does anyone remember the dead pilling up because the undertakers where on strike? She also worked with the Irish government and formed the Anglo Irish agreement which was a major stepping stone in achieving peace there, and finally the single European market was her brainchild which led to far greater markets for British goods and helped lead economic progression not just in the uk but the rest of Europe as well.
I understand why different people love her and different people hate her. I would certainly agree that she did lack compassion, but I would also agree that she did led some very important and necessary reforms.
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the only thing im sure she did right was about football hooligans..she made the right call after heizel and that shit almost ended at the island..
anyway..for sure,im not gonna celebrate that she died,its a human beign..but for sure i know alot of people really really hate her..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
But even then, Hillsborough was the result ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19584313
,her call ,clear all those things happened every week at the league matches..was a good call to put out teams from europe cups and re organize the whole..no violence inside the stadiums anymore at uk
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Well that is a sad piece of commentary. Women looked at as all the same. After a terrible Male prime minister I wonder if anyone typed something similar.
Actually I don;t wonder, I know they didn't.
Yeah whoever said that was obviously overstating it a little but there hasn't been one since and no woman has come remotely close. Thatcher hated feminists and despite being a woman and coming from very humble beginnings she never opened any doors for people to follow suit but actually made social mobility much more difficult.
Unfortunately women are still not equal in today's society.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Could you maybe speed it up a little?
There will be no tears shed for that disgusting creature round here, and it's a shame that I'm an atheist because nothing would please me more than knowing that she's burning in hell for all eternity.
So yeah, not a fan
Such a great post! Quite poetic. Bravo.
I hated thatcher then and still do now, but I actually think this current bullingdon brigade are even worse than her. They are attacking a long-term benefits culture that arguably was started by her in the first place by destroying whole communities and their jobs base. They are attacking innocent DISABLED people who have done nothing to deserve it, while letting their own people (ie: bankers) off the hook pretty much despite them totally trashing the economy.
I read in the guardian the other day that 1,700 (!!) disabled people are said to have died or killed themselves as a result of being found "fit for work" even if they presumably weren't. 1,700!! It's like a genocide if you ask me. The wrong people are getting punished and they are just getting away with it.
(Sometimes I wonder if it was all a deliberate ploy cooked up by the tory boys and their banking cronies who fund them, to destroy the economy just so they have an excuse to heavily cut public spending).
What gets me however is that although thatcher gets a lot of hate, (deservedly so), I wonder how much of it is because she was female? She attacked the unions, and I think a lot of old-fashioned working class men are probably quite chauvinistic in their thinking, and probably would, on some level, object to a tough, hard woman with the face of a boot tell them what to do. If she'd been a man, would she still be getting this much vitriol I wonder? If she was a man would her hard attitude and her policies just be seen as part of the course? Would people be dancing on Cameron and Osborn's graves in 20-40 years' time? I can't see that happening somehow.
I don't think thatcher should get away with what she's done to people and their communities, but I don't think these guys should either. I'm hoping people will remember their sins too and we'll be allowed to "celebrate" their passing too.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013 ... picks=true
"If you behave like there's no such thing as society, in the end there isn't."
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London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
London, Wembley, 1996
London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
London, O2, 18 August 2009
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
I was just about to post this link too. It doesn't matter what you think of Russell Brand, this is a really good article.
(Jeff Tweedy, Sydney 2007)
“Put yer good money on the sunrise”
(Tim Rogers)
An open letter to American feminists on the death of Margaret Thatcher
9 April, 2013 by Hampshire Feminist Collective
So yesterday was a Big Thing for Brits on the Internet. And then this happened, a statement that needed saying:
A couple of HFC members have become dismayed at some American feminist pages’ lauding of Thatcher as a feminist icon. This is not the case. She described feminism as poison. But in lauding her they are often at pains to make clear that they ‘don’t agree with the politics but as a woman in power she deserves celebrating’. This is reducing her to her gender, and ignoring the harmful effect she had on women, on the LGBTQ community, and her supporting of racist, classist and genocidal regimes. One cannot laud someone’s office whilst ignoring the crimes they do whilst there, and to reduce anyone to their gender is being sexist.
For those not in the UK, it’s easy to see her as an abstract landmark event. For the people living in the UK we have her legacy, it isn’t historic. It’s going on NOW. It’s a pretty fucked up legacy, that is hurting women, people with disabilities, and is making the UK a more and more unequal society. This is not an abstract to us. We are living this.
When a couple of us took the page in question to task on these very issues, they ignored the testimony of a 33 year old woman who was raised in poverty in Thatcher’s Britain. But in a bizarre possible form of sexism reserved all their replies for the male member of HFC.
We find the idea of forced solidarity with Thatcher based upon her gender highly patronising, and would rather celebrate the women of Greenham Common, the miner’s wives and all other women who opposed Thatcher, not because of their gender, but because of what they stood for.
(SC + PIX + IZZI) [from our Facebook page]
When we as feminists call out Caitlin Moran for racism, when we call out transphobic radical feminists — we hope to make some points about how a feminism without intersectionality isn’t a feminism we want any part of, and why bigotry isn’t feminist.
When we call FEMEN out for racism, we hope to do the same. Izzi is a Muslim and a feminist; no one is asking her to stand in solidarity with FEMEN just because they are women.
One of these pages on FB has a massive focus on intersectionality normally; we were BEYOND pissed off. Pix is the member raised in poverty by a single mum and DV survivor. Pix’s mum used to go without food to feed her and her siblings. And Pix’s mum and women like her were vilified by the government of the time. (See study here)
Pix is 33 and joked, ‘I feel like aping the bad Vietnam movie trope of “YOU WEREN’T THERE, MAN.”’
When you laud Thatcher as a feminist icon, you erase that experience. You uphold a racist, homophobic, classist woman who was probably one of the best examples of internalised misogyny to ever hit the halls of power in the UK, or as one of our members put it, ‘Holding Thatcher up as a feminist icon is like kicking intersectionality in the stomach.’
Thatcherism is alive and well in the UK today. We dare American feminists to say that she is a feminist icon to feminists with disabilities in the UK, when they fail to consider her legacy, in the demonization of the working class and people on benefits, disability hate crimes as result of Tory rhetoric, and the ATOS medical tests that have deemed people fit for work who later died, or committed suicide in 2012. We dare them to say that to women like Pix, and her mum, who lived in social housing whilst it was being sold off, and communities in these less affluent areas crumbled. (An excerpt from Owen Jones’s Chavs: The Demonisation Of The Working Class)
Another member found this today, from Tumblr. And it says what we were attempting to say so, so well.
My feminism doesn’t support women who go to immense lengths to cut services that directly help and benefit other women.
My feminism doesn’t support all women simply because they’re women.
My feminism doesn’t support women who use their power to plunder, steal and exacerbate class gaps.
My feminism doesn’t support warmongering and bigoted propaganda wielding.
My feminism doesn’t support anyone who upholds an apartheid state as the beacon of civilization while referring to resistance organizations as “terrorism”.
My feminism doesn’t support white supremacy, exploitation of the proletariat, imperialism and misogyny (wow, shocker, women can perpetuate misogyny!!!!) all of which thatcher was disgustingly guilty of.
My feminism doesn’t support women who reinforce the idea of a heteronormative nuclear family structure, while publicly referring to feminism as poison.
My feminism doesn’t support systematic oppression, full stop.
– maarnayeri
So, American feminists, please THINK before you get all misty eyed about ‘The Iron Lady’. Please, don’t patronise British people in marginalised sections of our society. Please don’t erase our experiences, and don’t forget your intersectionality when it comes to Lady T.
With thanks,
Hampshire Feminist Collective
–
Further things you may want to read as to the political landscape of the 1980s in the UK:
Thatcher’s support of Pinochet, and turning a blind eye to human rights abuses in Chile at the time (content note: rape and torture)
An op-ed from 2010 and the release of The Iron Lady
How women were an essential part of the miners’ strikes and their communities in the 1980s
The Greenham Common Women’s Peace Camp
WhyDoPeopleHateThatcher
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Well said.
That was a great read thanks.
I understand why different people love her and different people hate her. I would certainly agree that she did lack compassion, but I would also agree that she did led some very important and necessary reforms.