Margaret Thatcher, former British prime minister, dies at 87

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Margaret Thatcher, former British prime minister, dies at 87

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/ ... at_87.html

hedonist

She had some balls and fuckin rocked. Couldn't watch more than the beginning of the Iron Lady film; it was difficult to reconcile that "character" vs what I'd seen of her.

RIP.

dades

catefrances

ding dong....

Digital Twilight

Awful human being, not much love in the country for her except from the ruling elite who continue to benefit from her destructive policies and social thinking. I'm not gonna celebrate her death but i'm sure as hell not gonna be silent while all these tributes come in from world leaders about what a great woman she was. She wasn't, not then, not now. My sympathies to all her victims.

mikepegg44

Digital Twilight wrote:

Awful human being, not much love in the country for her except from the ruling elite who continue to benefit from her destructive policies and social thinking. I'm not gonna celebrate her death but i'm sure as hell not gonna be silent while all these tributes come in from world leaders about what a great woman she was. She wasn't, not then, not now. My sympathies to all her victims.

no need to pull your punches

I have to say my knowledge of Thatcher is extremely lacking...to the point of which I thought she was dead already. that is terrible.

Anyone have any good links to the truth about thatcher? I have heard she was horrible and fantastic...would like to make up my own mind but I am afraid the hyperbole of the 'greatest woman ever' or 'imperialistic satan' will reign supreme for the next few days.

Johnny Aggro

Delighted. No need to say more.

evo

Digital Twilight wrote:

Awful human being, not much love in the country for her except from the ruling elite who continue to benefit from her destructive policies and social thinking. I'm not gonna celebrate her death but i'm sure as hell not gonna be silent while all these tributes come in from world leaders about what a great woman she was. She wasn't, not then, not now. My sympathies to all her victims.

fantastic post

KM228407

I will stand over her grave 'til I'm sure that she's DEAD.

Jason P

What did she do to you Brits to make you so angry?

... did she try to enforce a mandatory dental plan? Cooking classes?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Jason P wrote:

What did she do to you Brits to make you so angry?

... did she try to enforce a mandatory dental plan? Cooking classes?

She took away their food stamps.

:P

Jeanwah

I have no respect for anyone celebrating the death of another human being.

KM228407

Maggie wasn't human, she was made of iron.

brianlux

KM228407 wrote:

Maggie wasn't human, she was made of iron.

"Rust Never Sleeps" come to mind.

But as with Jason and Mike, I'm curious as to what the anger toward this woman is about. The movie bio portrayed her as a complex, tough woman but not so much about the nitty gritty politics.

DriftingByTheStorm

Jason P wrote:

What did she do to you Brits to make you so angry?

... did she try to enforce a mandatory dental plan? Cooking classes?

no.
she vehemently opposed wealth redistribution, socialism, and supranational government.
She actually considered herself a libertarian, and worked towards those goals openly.
However her staunch fiscal conservatism lead, in practice, to a tightening of the reigns, which in the short term had some negative consequences in the economy.
She lowered income taxes, cut public spending, raised interest rates to fight inflation, and did more or less what you would expect a real fiscal conservative to do. What probably lead her in to trouble in the public eye was that (unlike the Fed over here with their ridiculous "dual mandate") she eschewed the notion of trying to influence the employment rate directly, and focused instead at the opposite end of the mandate spectrum towards reduction or limiting of inflation. Of course, limiting the amount of "money creation" limits the amount of "money" available to people in the short term (and most people are too stupid to realize it saves them the VALUE of their money in the long term).

But moreover, she wasn't afraid to call liberalism out as a form of socialism, and i'm pretty sure it was the fighting she did against globalist & statist interests that lead to her being endlessly slandered (to this day).

But then again, I'm not a Brit, and i was not alive at the time.

I can tell you the song Under Pressure (bowie\queen) is largely about the effect her policies had on the economy and the people.

[even though i think this is somewhat unfair, fortunes changed a few times during her reign, and overall i think it could be argued her policies provided a net benefit to the country, even if it was squandered after her resignation]

Watch Margaret Thatcher Explain Why the Euro Is a Terrible Idea in 1990 - maybe this will give you a taste of why she is loathed universally on "the left". She didn't want to give up fiscal sovereignty to a supranational body [and as i said, she was firmly against wealth redistribution].
Here watch the clip from this point, to hear just how far she is willing to go in her stance

here is another little "famous" bit where she talks about what is essentially wealth redistribution -- although she actually insinuates that the policies will allow BOTH rich and poor to be poorer.

This is one of her more famous quotes (although it is usually abbreviated and paraphrased) ...

Thatcher wrote:

I think they've made the biggest financial mess that any government's ever made in this country for a very long time, and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them. They then start to nationalise everything, and people just do not like more and more nationalisation, and they're now trying to control everything by other means. They're progressively reducing the choice available to ordinary people

pandora

Sounds like my kind of lady from your description, strong emotions here for a strong woman.

Journey on Margret ...
say hi to Ronald for me.

chadwick

mikepegg44 wrote:

I have to say my knowledge of Thatcher is extremely lacking...to the point of which I thought she was dead already. that is terrible.

Anyone have any good links to the truth about thatcher? I have heard she was horrible and fantastic...would like to make up my own mind but I am afraid the hyperbole of the 'greatest woman ever' or 'imperialistic satan' will reign supreme for the next few days.

im here. I am sorry I have let any of you down! please forgive us slower chaps. please again & thank you. I've heard of ironside
what does this mean?

she created steel mills for war time use?

chadwick

Jason P wrote:

What did she do to you Brits to make you so angry?

... did she try to enforce a mandatory dental plan? Cooking classes?

haha

chadwick

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Jason P wrote:

What did she do to you Brits to make you so angry?

... did she try to enforce a mandatory dental plan? Cooking classes?

She took away their food stamps.

:P

rarely does speedy make me laugh. here is one of the rare moments
funny for sure

catefrances

chadwick wrote:

Jason P wrote:

What did she do to you Brits to make you so angry?

... did she try to enforce a mandatory dental plan? Cooking classes?

haha

some of the best chefs in the world are british... just saying.

chadwick

piers morgan on fox news, where is this man from?

DriftingByTheStorm

chadwick wrote:

piers morgan on fox news, where is this man from?

Doucheville.

chadwick

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

chadwick wrote:

piers morgan on fox news, where is this man from?

Doucheville.

i am not going to visit his homeland. the man is unbelievable. with respect i pass, thank you

Digital Twilight

chadwick wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

chadwick wrote:

piers morgan on fox news, where is this man from?

Doucheville.

i am not going to visit his homeland. the man is unbelievable. with respect i pass, thank you

He is that's why we shipped him out to you guys

Jason P

catefrances wrote:

some of the best chefs in the world are british... just saying.

but they are mean.

Jason P

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

no.
she vehemently opposed wealth redistribution, socialism, and supranational government.
She actually considered herself a libertarian, and worked towards those goals openly.
However her staunch fiscal conservatism lead, in practice, to a tightening of the reigns, which in the short term had some negative consequences in the economy.
She lowered income taxes, cut public spending, raised interest rates to fight inflation, and did more or less what you would expect a real fiscal conservative to do. What probably lead her in to trouble in the public eye was that (unlike the Fed over here with their ridiculous "dual mandate") she eschewed the notion of trying to influence the employment rate directly, and focused instead at the opposite end of the mandate spectrum towards reduction or limiting of inflation. Of course, limiting the amount of "money creation" limits the amount of "money" available to people in the short term (and most people are too stupid to realize it saves them the VALUE of their money in the long term).

But moreover, she wasn't afraid to call liberalism out as a form of socialism, and i'm pretty sure it was the fighting she did against globalist & statist interests that lead to her being endlessly slandered (to this day).

But then again, I'm not a Brit, and i was not alive at the time.

I can tell you the song Under Pressure (bowie\queen) is largely about the effect her policies had on the economy and the people.

[even though i think this is somewhat unfair, fortunes changed a few times during her reign, and overall i think it could be argued her policies provided a net benefit to the country, even if it was squandered after her resignation]

Watch Margaret Thatcher Explain Why the Euro Is a Terrible Idea in 1990 - maybe this will give you a taste of why she is loathed universally on "the left". She didn't want to give up fiscal sovereignty to a supranational body [and as i said, she was firmly against wealth redistribution].
Here watch the clip from this point, to hear just how far she is willing to go in her stance

here is another little "famous" bit where she talks about what is essentially wealth redistribution -- although she actually insinuates that the policies will allow BOTH rich and poor to be poorer.

This is one of her more famous quotes (although it is usually abbreviated and paraphrased) ...

Thatcher wrote:

I think they've made the biggest financial mess that any government's ever made in this country for a very long time, and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them. They then start to nationalise everything, and people just do not like more and more nationalisation, and they're now trying to control everything by other means. They're progressively reducing the choice available to ordinary people

Intersting .. I think I see why she might not be the most loved person on this forum .... :think:

KM228407

She destroyed so many towns by closing all the mines where for generations men had worked.
She had no compassion for people who earned less than others. So the rich got richer and the poor got poorer.
She made all the troubles in Ireland a million times worse, it was like she thrived on all the upset and fear it caused.
I don't pretend to be a politician and know every single fact. I do know when she left Downing street everything got so much better.

Digital Twilight

From Billy Bragg, Calgary, AB, Canada, on the death of Margaret Thatcher:

This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society.

Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don't celebrate - organise!

catefrances

Jason P wrote:

catefrances wrote:

some of the best chefs in the world are british... just saying.

but they are mean.

look.. do you want your food cook right or not??? :P


and oi! jamie oliver isnt mean.. hes lovely.

chadwick

matin geddes 1 hour ago


"Delighted to hear this. The only good thing she did was destroy the tories in Scotland. There's a party going on in George Square right now. She had a brick for a heart and I hope they bury her face down at the bottom of a COAL MINE!." - matin geddes. 1 hour ago from a youtube comment post.

http://youtu.be/_26QbWTaz10

what are the tories in Scotland?

hedonist

catefrances wrote:

Jason P wrote:

catefrances wrote:

some of the best chefs in the world are british... just saying.

but they are mean.

look.. do you want your food cook right or not??? :P


and oi! jamie oliver isnt mean.. hes lovely.

Gordon Ramsay's mean as hell. (but I do like him)