Drifting,
Your are right -- that's allot to digest. I will sift thru this thread in the next few days & get back to you on it. For now, I'm going with this:
1) NWO, a coming of age for humanity to peacefully co-exist, was a philosophy long before the ultra ultra rich & powerful (JP Morgan, Vanderbilt & Co) got credited with it. Am I on the right track?
2) Zeitgeist: "Spirit of the Time or Age". It is in reference to the preferences of the culture at large." This is the basic definition I find but somewhere, (don't have time to find it) I read this breaks down more; Is the spirit of the times molded by the very few -- rich, powerful, the brains of the times, or are they but a mere by-product of society at large? I see it like they are the surface water which breaks into a wave & we are the ebb & flow, the unstoppable current. So, Edison, Tesla, Graham Bell, Ben Franklin might have given us irreversible inventions, but they became so because the mass wanted, or were ready for, those inventions. Whereas, had those guys tried electricity on a society 500 yrs earlier, they may have been burned at the stake!
On the right track here?
Anyway, Fredrico's book is good. I feel validated -- by a boy. It's a book I think everyone should read in order to get a better idea of where we are headed. And though I agree with the premise that we, individually, make up that unstoppable current & so it's just a matter of what choices we make in order to grapple with the many irreversible changes we are currently in the midst of, I very much disagree with embracing a full steam headlong rush into the next irreversible super grade-A, Artificial Intelligence juncture.
Pistono, as the nature of any scientist, I suspect they get so caught up in their inventing, in their fantasizing about all the endless possibilities that they & their inventions come with, their scope becomes tunneled. I'd guess it's incredibly frustrating to be gifted with such brainpower, capable of making incomprehensible inventions, only to be judged & possibly reduced by such a fickle & seemingly mindless, body of support. Maybe that's why Zeitgeist is ultimately of our making. Though messy, we've kept humanity trudging toward a more peaceful co-existence, toward whatever Utopian version we hold, cuz innately, we know this trudge can only continue at a pace in which we're ready for.
Pistono, also like any scientist so inclined, writes much about the exponential growth rate of technology almost like a dire warning, but then, most end their writings or speeches on a giddy note about all the endless techno-possibilities. They all make a point to say humans adapt turtle-like slowly by comparison, but then don't seem to make the connection that when something huge & -- IRREVERSIBLE -- comes along that we aren't ready for -- shit hits the fan. With Strong AI, this shit is called near-total, or total -- human annihilation.
As for the scientists calling for caution, (Bill Joy & Bill McFadden are 2) are currently being drowned out by the giddy camp. Why? Maybe that's the double edged meaning of NWO, the other part of this juncture we can't afford to forget.
Meanwhile, (imagine, I got carried away myself! :roll: ) I'll read more carefully thru your postings here. Thanks for the info, it is -- as usual -- right on time.
Well I'm pissed. Just spent an hour on this post then lost it. Unbeknownst to me, hotel server timed out.
Right now, I'm not in the mood to try again.
Sorry Drifting, I did read your material here & did look at the links you provided. I thought I had something worth saying about it all but then, when you lose it all -- ya gotta wonder.... :roll:
there's two contexts when referring to a New World Order. One, is the tin foil hatness of a totalitarian one world government you refer to above, and what the VP clearly is referring to, and that is new collective efforts to identify, understand, or address worldwide problems that go beyond the capacity of individual nation-states to solve. did you listen to anything beyond him saying the words "new world order"? He talked about the importance of the success of other world powers and non-powers alike, as everyone's success equals the success of the world market as a whole.
The only thing on here that makes sense.
I am sure most people who watched that video stopped after "new world order."
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
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Godfather.
Your are right -- that's allot to digest. I will sift thru this thread in the next few days & get back to you on it. For now, I'm going with this:
1) NWO, a coming of age for humanity to peacefully co-exist, was a philosophy long before the ultra ultra rich & powerful (JP Morgan, Vanderbilt & Co) got credited with it. Am I on the right track?
2) Zeitgeist: "Spirit of the Time or Age". It is in reference to the preferences of the culture at large." This is the basic definition I find but somewhere, (don't have time to find it) I read this breaks down more; Is the spirit of the times molded by the very few -- rich, powerful, the brains of the times, or are they but a mere by-product of society at large? I see it like they are the surface water which breaks into a wave & we are the ebb & flow, the unstoppable current. So, Edison, Tesla, Graham Bell, Ben Franklin might have given us irreversible inventions, but they became so because the mass wanted, or were ready for, those inventions. Whereas, had those guys tried electricity on a society 500 yrs earlier, they may have been burned at the stake!
On the right track here?
Anyway, Fredrico's book is good. I feel validated -- by a boy. It's a book I think everyone should read in order to get a better idea of where we are headed. And though I agree with the premise that we, individually, make up that unstoppable current & so it's just a matter of what choices we make in order to grapple with the many irreversible changes we are currently in the midst of, I very much disagree with embracing a full steam headlong rush into the next irreversible super grade-A, Artificial Intelligence juncture.
Pistono, as the nature of any scientist, I suspect they get so caught up in their inventing, in their fantasizing about all the endless possibilities that they & their inventions come with, their scope becomes tunneled. I'd guess it's incredibly frustrating to be gifted with such brainpower, capable of making incomprehensible inventions, only to be judged & possibly reduced by such a fickle & seemingly mindless, body of support. Maybe that's why Zeitgeist is ultimately of our making. Though messy, we've kept humanity trudging toward a more peaceful co-existence, toward whatever Utopian version we hold, cuz innately, we know this trudge can only continue at a pace in which we're ready for.
Pistono, also like any scientist so inclined, writes much about the exponential growth rate of technology almost like a dire warning, but then, most end their writings or speeches on a giddy note about all the endless techno-possibilities. They all make a point to say humans adapt turtle-like slowly by comparison, but then don't seem to make the connection that when something huge & -- IRREVERSIBLE -- comes along that we aren't ready for -- shit hits the fan. With Strong AI, this shit is called near-total, or total -- human annihilation.
As for the scientists calling for caution, (Bill Joy & Bill McFadden are 2) are currently being drowned out by the giddy camp. Why? Maybe that's the double edged meaning of NWO, the other part of this juncture we can't afford to forget.
Meanwhile, (imagine, I got carried away myself! :roll: ) I'll read more carefully thru your postings here. Thanks for the info, it is -- as usual -- right on time.
Right now, I'm not in the mood to try again.
Sorry Drifting, I did read your material here & did look at the links you provided. I thought I had something worth saying about it all but then, when you lose it all -- ya gotta wonder.... :roll:
The only thing on here that makes sense.
I am sure most people who watched that video stopped after "new world order."
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense