Morning After Pill
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pandora wrote:I don't think a society should encourage children to have sex at age 7, 8, 9 years of age.
Silly me I must be old school
I think that is disgusting. That is the all time low.
The dangers are to society and to the sacred time of childhood.
To each little girl who hasn't had time to even be a child.
You keep using the word women :? these are not women they are little girls.
I have no problem with this pill for women, I have a problem with it for little girls.
I have a problem with parents being removed of the parenting responsibilities,
removing them from the situation, and allowing a 7, 8, 9 year old to make adult decisions.
We are not talking about teens or women we are talking about any age,
as young as age 7.
I would think we as a society would be addressing beatings for whatever reason
but unfortunately we have not come very far in my lifetime.
Girl and women is a distinction without a difference. If you can get pregnant you should have access to the ability to not get pregnant.
WHO THE HELL IS ENCOURAGING A 9 YEAR OLD TO HAVE SEX?
Thanks for addressing some of the questions, but I didn't see a response to this.
Why would you want a 9 year old to get pregnant when it was preventable? Regardless of why they were engaged in unprotected intercourse, if a potential pregnancy can be avoided why would we want to put a barrier up to stop that?
No one is taking away the ability to parent, that is a complete straw-man turn. The ability to parent a 'better' decision is removed by the act of sexual intercourse at 9. That decisions can no longer be unmade. Why possibly compound it? Why have a 9 year old possibly make worse decisions out of shame on top of one that was already pretty stupid?that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
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So you also are ok with a 7 year old going into a store for a morning after pill?Jeanwah wrote:pandora wrote:
I don't think a society should encourage children to have sex at age 7, 8, 9 years of age.mikepegg44 wrote:
I am ok with a 9 year old who is afraid of being pregnant having it. I certainly don't consider myself morally bankrupt or reaching a new low. Why would you rather a 9 year old get pregnant because they are afraid of telling their parents? something that could have been avoided? why are you wishing a birth and the care of a child on a 9 year old? That doesn't make sense. There is no reason a girl/woman who can get pregnant should not have access to what can stop that if they so choose. I think a 9 year old going into a pharmacy on their own and buying this pill is an incredibly mature action. I will pose my question back to you, are you ok with a 9 year old getting the shit beat out of them for telling their parents they had sex? It is as ridiculous a situation as you bring up.
it doesn't encourage anyone to have sex anymore than they already were going to. Condoms being sold to kids doesn't encourage that either. Kids had sex long before ECP, BC, and Condoms were available.
So again i will sum up my questions.
1. can you please explain the dangers to women you speak of?
2. Can you please explain how stopping a 9 year old from getting pregnant is a bad thing?
3. Are you ok with a 9 year old getting the shit beat out of them for having sex?
4. Can you explain to me how this pill being available to more women who may need it is somehow the new all time low of society?
Silly me I must be old school I think that is disgusting. That is the all time low.
The dangers are to society and to the sacred time of childhood.
To each little girl who hasn't had time to even be a child.
You keep using the word women :? these are not women they are little girls.
I have no problem with this pill for women, I have a problem with it for little girls.
I have a problem with parents being removed of the parenting responsibilities,
removing them from the situation, and allowing a 7, 8, 9 year old to make adult decisions.
We are not talking about teens or women we are talking about any age,
as young as age 7.
I would think we as a society would be addressing beatings for whatever reason
but unfortunately we have not come very far in my lifetime.
Where is anyone encouraging sex? They're encouraging protection from pregnancy. Get your facts straight! Would you rather having all these children having babies, because that's what you're driving at.
You see nothing a miss in this as a society? Alrighty then...
Sorry you don't see the correlation between having this available for a 7 year old, without
their parents permission, and encouraging sex at a ridiculously young age.
Nothing wrong with the notion of a 7 year old making decisions without their parents,
without consequence, without decision making skills yet.
hmmm...
Ok with that I'm out... and rather shocked really.
But again NOT talking about teens we are talking about 7 year olds!
because this judge is making this available to ALL AGES and as I posted we are seeing
a good % of girls hitting puberty as young as 7 years old.0 -
pandora wrote:
So you also are ok with a 7 year old going into a store for a morning after pill?Jeanwah wrote:pandora wrote:I don't think a society should encourage children to have sex at age 7, 8, 9 years of age.
Silly me I must be old school I think that is disgusting. That is the all time low.
The dangers are to society and to the sacred time of childhood.
To each little girl who hasn't had time to even be a child.
You keep using the word women :? these are not women they are little girls.
I have no problem with this pill for women, I have a problem with it for little girls.
I have a problem with parents being removed of the parenting responsibilities,
removing them from the situation, and allowing a 7, 8, 9 year old to make adult decisions.
We are not talking about teens or women we are talking about any age,
as young as age 7.
I would think we as a society would be addressing beatings for whatever reason
but unfortunately we have not come very far in my lifetime.
Where is anyone encouraging sex? They're encouraging protection from pregnancy. Get your facts straight! Would you rather having all these children having babies, because that's what you're driving at.
You see nothing a miss in this as a society? Alrighty then...
Sorry you don't see the correlation between having this available for a 7 year old, without
their parents permission, and encouraging sex at a ridiculously young age.
Nothing wrong with the notion of a 7 year old making decisions without their parents,
without consequence, without decision making skills yet.
hmmm...
Ok with that I'm out... and rather shocked really.
But again NOT talking about teens we are talking about 7 year olds!
because this judge is making this available to ALL AGES and as I posted we are seeing
a good % of girls hitting puberty as young as 7 years old.
TF is with you and 7 year olds????? :crazy:
What PARENT suggests that 7 year olds are even interested in sex? There is seriously something wrong here.Post edited by Jeanwah on0 -
I'm out then Mike cause this is flabbergasting to me :?mikepegg44 wrote:pandora wrote:I don't think a society should encourage children to have sex at age 7, 8, 9 years of age.
Silly me I must be old school I think that is disgusting. That is the all time low.
The dangers are to society and to the sacred time of childhood.
To each little girl who hasn't had time to even be a child.
You keep using the word women :? these are not women they are little girls.
I have no problem with this pill for women, I have a problem with it for little girls.
I have a problem with parents being removed of the parenting responsibilities,
removing them from the situation, and allowing a 7, 8, 9 year old to make adult decisions.
We are not talking about teens or women we are talking about any age,
as young as age 7.
I would think we as a society would be addressing beatings for whatever reason
but unfortunately we have not come very far in my lifetime.
Girl and women is a distinction without a difference. If you can get pregnant you should have access to the ability to not get pregnant.
WHO THE HELL IS ENCOURAGING A 9 YEAR OLD TO HAVE SEX?
Thanks for addressing some of the questions, but I didn't see a response to this.
Why would you want a 9 year old to get pregnant when it was preventable? Regardless of why they were engaged in unprotected intercourse, if a potential pregnancy can be avoided why would we want to put a barrier up to stop that?
No one is taking away the ability to parent, that is a complete straw-man turn. The ability to parent a 'better' decision is removed by the act of sexual intercourse at 9. That decisions can no longer be unmade. Why possibly compound it? Why have a 9 year old possibly make worse decisions out of shame on top of one that was already pretty stupid?
Are you are avoiding 7 year old? pretty mind bending huh?
I would want that pill available with a parents consent. I would want that little girl to go to
counseling with her parent. I would want whomever tried to knock up a 7,8,9 year old
to pay dearly with boys school until he is 18 years of age and learn keep his dick in his pants.
Maybe that message would sink in with the guys around town.
But then I'm a toughie and old school. I'm afraid my kind might be on the way out, good thing
not sure I could take a society that condones a little girl having sex at age 7.
What the fuckin fuck what! :evil:0 -
About 15% of American girls now begin puberty by age 7, according to a study of 1,239 girls published last year in Pediatrics. One in 10 white girls begin developing breasts by that age — twice the rate seen in a 1997 study. Among black girls, such as Laila, 23% hit puberty by age 7.
"Over the last 30 years, we've shortened the childhood of girls by about a year and a half," says Sandra Steingraber, author of a 2007 report on early puberty for the Breast Cancer Fund, an advocacy group. "That's not good."
Girls are being catapulted into adolescence long before their brains are ready for the change — a phenomenon that poses serious risks to their health, says Marcia Herman-Giddens, an adjunct professor at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/hea ... 45989054/1
good thing they got a pill so they can have sex at age 7 ...
they can use their allowance on that instead of bubble gum...
unbeknownst to their parents of course
For those who have missed the facts from earlier that puberty is arriving at a very young age.0 -
pandora wrote:About 15% of American girls now begin puberty by age 7, according to a study of 1,239 girls published last year in Pediatrics. One in 10 white girls begin developing breasts by that age — twice the rate seen in a 1997 study. Among black girls, such as Laila, 23% hit puberty by age 7.
"Over the last 30 years, we've shortened the childhood of girls by about a year and a half," says Sandra Steingraber, author of a 2007 report on early puberty for the Breast Cancer Fund, an advocacy group. "That's not good."
Girls are being catapulted into adolescence long before their brains are ready for the change — a phenomenon that poses serious risks to their health, says Marcia Herman-Giddens, an adjunct professor at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/hea ... 45989054/1
good thing they got a pill so they can have sex at age 7 ...
they can use their allowance on that instead of bubble gum...
unbeknownst to their parents of course
For those who have missed the facts from earlier that puberty is arriving at a very young age.
And you think this means that 7 year olds are interested in having sex? What planet are you from? My daughter is 9, no where near puberty, doesn't even know what sex is. :fp: :fp: :fp:0 -
pandora wrote:
I'm out then Mike cause this is flabbergasting to me :?mikepegg44 wrote:pandora wrote:I don't think a society should encourage children to have sex at age 7, 8, 9 years of age.
Silly me I must be old school I think that is disgusting. That is the all time low.
The dangers are to society and to the sacred time of childhood.
To each little girl who hasn't had time to even be a child.
You keep using the word women :? these are not women they are little girls.
I have no problem with this pill for women, I have a problem with it for little girls.
I have a problem with parents being removed of the parenting responsibilities,
removing them from the situation, and allowing a 7, 8, 9 year old to make adult decisions.
We are not talking about teens or women we are talking about any age,
as young as age 7.
I would think we as a society would be addressing beatings for whatever reason
but unfortunately we have not come very far in my lifetime.
Girl and women is a distinction without a difference. If you can get pregnant you should have access to the ability to not get pregnant.
WHO THE HELL IS ENCOURAGING A 9 YEAR OLD TO HAVE SEX?
Thanks for addressing some of the questions, but I didn't see a response to this.
Why would you want a 9 year old to get pregnant when it was preventable? Regardless of why they were engaged in unprotected intercourse, if a potential pregnancy can be avoided why would we want to put a barrier up to stop that?
No one is taking away the ability to parent, that is a complete straw-man turn. The ability to parent a 'better' decision is removed by the act of sexual intercourse at 9. That decisions can no longer be unmade. Why possibly compound it? Why have a 9 year old possibly make worse decisions out of shame on top of one that was already pretty stupid?
Are you are avoiding 7 year old? pretty mind bending huh?
I would want that pill available with a parents consent. I would want that little girl to go to
counseling with her parent. I would want whomever tried to knock up a 7,8,9 year old
to pay dearly with boys school until he is 18 years of age and learn keep his dick in his pants.
Maybe that message would sink in with the guys around town.
But then I'm a toughie and old school. I'm afraid my kind might be on the way out, good thing
not sure I could take a society that condones a little girl having sex at age 7.
What the fuckin fuck what! :evil:
I resent your implication that I am condoning a child of 7 having sex. It is a stupid leap to make.
Why don't you go down to 2 years old...it is as ridiculous as 7, which you now have jumped to...you haven't responded and now won't because you are out, but I will pose the question anyway...why would you want a 9 year old to get pregnant because the ability to stop it was unattainable because of shame or appointment unavailability or any other reason? That is what is crazy to me. Even to imply that 9 year olds are running around having sex is ridiculous, puberty or not...but my arguments apply at any age really. If we are going to say things like condone, I ask you why would you condone a 9 year old getting pregnant when it was avoidable?that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan0 -
How in the hell does one go from: '15% of girls begin puberty at 7' to something as preposterous as claiming these girls are actually having sex and society (including posters in this thread) are encouraging and condoning this? :? It's just plain twisted and weird.
Maybe one can sort of equate this to the ' scaremongering' and uneducated statement the OP was highlighting (ie abortion pill) in order to serve an agenda? Or maybe because of a lack of credible argument?Post edited by redrock on0 -
Pandora, you do realize that the judge said 'all girls of reproductive age'
Starting puberty is NOT the same as being able to reproduce. Those 7 year olds you are carrying on about that have started developing breasts? They aren't having periods, they are not of 'reproductive age' Let alone the fact that 99.9999999999% of 7 year olds aren't having sex either0 -
pandora wrote:
I'm out then Mike cause this is flabbergasting to me :?mikepegg44 wrote:pandora wrote:I don't think a society should encourage children to have sex at age 7, 8, 9 years of age.
Silly me I must be old school I think that is disgusting. That is the all time low.
The dangers are to society and to the sacred time of childhood.
To each little girl who hasn't had time to even be a child.
You keep using the word women :? these are not women they are little girls.
I have no problem with this pill for women, I have a problem with it for little girls.
I have a problem with parents being removed of the parenting responsibilities,
removing them from the situation, and allowing a 7, 8, 9 year old to make adult decisions.
We are not talking about teens or women we are talking about any age,
as young as age 7.
I would think we as a society would be addressing beatings for whatever reason
but unfortunately we have not come very far in my lifetime.
Girl and women is a distinction without a difference. If you can get pregnant you should have access to the ability to not get pregnant.
WHO THE HELL IS ENCOURAGING A 9 YEAR OLD TO HAVE SEX?
Thanks for addressing some of the questions, but I didn't see a response to this.
Why would you want a 9 year old to get pregnant when it was preventable? Regardless of why they were engaged in unprotected intercourse, if a potential pregnancy can be avoided why would we want to put a barrier up to stop that?
No one is taking away the ability to parent, that is a complete straw-man turn. The ability to parent a 'better' decision is removed by the act of sexual intercourse at 9. That decisions can no longer be unmade. Why possibly compound it? Why have a 9 year old possibly make worse decisions out of shame on top of one that was already pretty stupid?
Are you are avoiding 7 year old? pretty mind bending huh?
I would want that pill available with a parents consent. I would want that little girl to go to
counseling with her parent. I would want whomever tried to knock up a 7,8,9 year old
to pay dearly with boys school until he is 18 years of age and learn keep his dick in his pants.
Maybe that message would sink in with the guys around town
But then I'm a toughie and old school. I'm afraid my kind might be on the way out, good thing
not sure I could take a society that condones a little girl having sex at age 7.
What the fuckin fuck what! :evil:
What 7 or 8 yr old girl (or boy for that matter) have you heard of having consensual sex. My 8 yr old daughter still thinks boys has cooties. Except for Justin bieber.0 -
Because your daughter is not in a position to be persuaded into sexJeanwah wrote:pandora wrote:About 15% of American girls now begin puberty by age 7, according to a study of 1,239 girls published last year in Pediatrics. One in 10 white girls begin developing breasts by that age — twice the rate seen in a 1997 study. Among black girls, such as Laila, 23% hit puberty by age 7.
"Over the last 30 years, we've shortened the childhood of girls by about a year and a half," says Sandra Steingraber, author of a 2007 report on early puberty for the Breast Cancer Fund, an advocacy group. "That's not good."
Girls are being catapulted into adolescence long before their brains are ready for the change — a phenomenon that poses serious risks to their health, says Marcia Herman-Giddens, an adjunct professor at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/hea ... 45989054/1
good thing they got a pill so they can have sex at age 7 ...
they can use their allowance on that instead of bubble gum...
unbeknownst to their parents of course
For those who have missed the facts from earlier that puberty is arriving at a very young age.
And you think this means that 7 year olds are interested in having sex? What planet are you from? My daughter is 9, no where near puberty, doesn't even know what sex is. :fp: :fp: :fp:
and has not hit puberty at a tender age no others are interested? ... what world do you live in Jean? :?
I'll take your stance then as in favor of all ages without parental permission
being able to buy the morning after pill.0 -
pandora wrote:
Because your daughter is not in a position to be persuaded into sexJeanwah wrote:pandora wrote:About 15% of American girls now begin puberty by age 7, according to a study of 1,239 girls published last year in Pediatrics. One in 10 white girls begin developing breasts by that age — twice the rate seen in a 1997 study. Among black girls, such as Laila, 23% hit puberty by age 7.
"Over the last 30 years, we've shortened the childhood of girls by about a year and a half," says Sandra Steingraber, author of a 2007 report on early puberty for the Breast Cancer Fund, an advocacy group. "That's not good."
Girls are being catapulted into adolescence long before their brains are ready for the change — a phenomenon that poses serious risks to their health, says Marcia Herman-Giddens, an adjunct professor at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/hea ... 45989054/1
good thing they got a pill so they can have sex at age 7 ...
they can use their allowance on that instead of bubble gum...
unbeknownst to their parents of course
For those who have missed the facts from earlier that puberty is arriving at a very young age.
And you think this means that 7 year olds are interested in having sex? What planet are you from? My daughter is 9, no where near puberty, doesn't even know what sex is. :fp: :fp: :fp:
and has not hit puberty at a tender age no others are interested? ... what world do you live in Jean? :?
I'll take your stance then as in favor of all ages without parental permission
being able to buy the morning after pill.
I thought you said you were done with this thread, Pandora...
And no, most 7 and 8 year olds are NOT interested in sex. Do you live in the back woods or something?0 -
You didn't mention 9 years old which is an insane thought to me as well as age 7 and 8.Last-12-Exit wrote:What 7 or 8 yr old girl (or boy for that matter) have you heard of having consensual sex. My 8 yr old daughter still thinks boys has cooties. Except for Justin bieber.
Have you become accustomed to the thought of a 9 year old having sex then?
This judge included all females who are able to reproduce. I'm assuming he is educated
and realizes as I do that girls are reaching puberty at tender ages.
I posted the percentages, 2 in 10 for black girls, 1 in 10 for white.
So in a typical elementary classroom then as many as 5 girls as young as 7 could
without their parents knowledge get this pill. Insanity!
This judge was lazy. He should have proposed a reasonable age limit for ingesting medication
without a parent's permission. He should have used good common sense, that is what judges do.
His motives I question.
I also question anyone who agrees with all ages without a parents permission.0 -
Exactly. It can be years between the first signs of puberty and actually being able to reproduce (ie starting periods). Though I'm sure someone will google up some rare and extreme examples of children giving birth to their own child.Thorns2010 wrote:
Starting puberty is NOT the same as being able to reproduce. Those 7 year olds you are carrying on about that have started developing breasts? They aren't having periods, they are not of 'reproductive age' Let alone the fact that 99.9999999999% of 7 year olds aren't having sex either0 -
why must you be be insulting Jean making personal comments to me always? Can you not just give your opinion or answer a question? You left out 9 year olds as well. I guess you too have become accustomed to the thought 9 year olds will be having sex. So why not 7 and 8 year olds? Because you claim they are not interested even though they have reached puberty. And you base this on your limited knowledge of children you know not all children :? Do you think 7,8,9 year olds can make adult decisions?Jeanwah wrote:pandora wrote:
Because your daughter is not in a position to be persuaded into sexJeanwah wrote:And you think this means that 7 year olds are interested in having sex? What planet are you from? My daughter is 9, no where near puberty, doesn't even know what sex is. :fp: :fp: :fp:
and has not hit puberty at a tender age no others are interested? ... what world do you live in Jean? :?
I'll take your stance then as in favor of all ages without parental permission
being able to buy the morning after pill.
I thought you said you were done with this thread, Pandora...
And no, most 7 and 8 year olds are NOT interested in sex. Do you live in the back woods or something?
I was done as of yesterday. It was mind boggling to me. I see I am not alone either after
watching the am news
But we will not agree so we can be done ... you feel this judge acted appropriately by giving the morning after pill to all ages without parental permissin. I think that was a ridiculous move and feel he should have specified an age limit as young children need guidance and parents need to parent.
We can agree to disagree.0 -
But you are also ok with 9 year olds? and ok if a 7 or 8 year does engage in sex?Thorns2010 wrote:Pandora, you do realize that the judge said 'all girls of reproductive age'
Starting puberty is NOT the same as being able to reproduce. Those 7 year olds you are carrying on about that have started developing breasts? They aren't having periods, they are not of 'reproductive age' Let alone the fact that 99.9999999999% of 7 year olds aren't having sex either
ok with this judge not specifying an age limit. Ok with allowing any age to walk in a store and buy the morning after pill? Then if you are ok with all that,
you and I will have to agree to disagree on this topic.
'Reproductive age' is when ovulation and menstruation cycle begins
which is happening in as young as 7 and 8 year olds. But for me 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, is too young
to have sex, to make adult decisions, to be without parental permission or guidance.
I think this judge made a big mistake... or did he do this on purpose hmmmm :think: ....0 -
Seems like 9 is the new 7, the new 'focus'?
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Matters not the points have been made. It surprises me that intelligent people can agreeredrock wrote:
Exactly. It can be years between the first signs of puberty and actually being able to reproduce (ie starting periods). Though I'm sure someone will google up some rare and extreme examples of children giving birth to their own child.Thorns2010 wrote:
Starting puberty is NOT the same as being able to reproduce. Those 7 year olds you are carrying on about that have started developing breasts? They aren't having periods, they are not of 'reproductive age' Let alone the fact that 99.9999999999% of 7 year olds aren't having sex either
with a judge who can make such a broad move as this, to allow any age to buy this medication
without parental involvement.
I have a feeling the parents here are saying, not my child. But you know it is someone's
child. And this child be they 7 or 14 may have great parents, top notch,
as good as any parents here and they will not know that their too young
child is having sex because that is no longer their responsibility.
Thank you Judge Korman for your lack of wisdom. Just what we need to raise our children...
judges like you. :fp:
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I believe in consequence for actions Mike. A huge part of good parenting.mikepegg44 wrote:pandora wrote:
I'm out then Mike cause this is flabbergasting to me :?mikepegg44 wrote:Girl and women is a distinction without a difference. If you can get pregnant you should have access to the ability to not get pregnant.
WHO THE HELL IS ENCOURAGING A 9 YEAR OLD TO HAVE SEX?
Thanks for addressing some of the questions, but I didn't see a response to this.
Why would you want a 9 year old to get pregnant when it was preventable? Regardless of why they were engaged in unprotected intercourse, if a potential pregnancy can be avoided why would we want to put a barrier up to stop that?
No one is taking away the ability to parent, that is a complete straw-man turn. The ability to parent a 'better' decision is removed by the act of sexual intercourse at 9. That decisions can no longer be unmade. Why possibly compound it? Why have a 9 year old possibly make worse decisions out of shame on top of one that was already pretty stupid?
Are you are avoiding 7 year old? pretty mind bending huh?
I would want that pill available with a parents consent. I would want that little girl to go to
counseling with her parent. I would want whomever tried to knock up a 7,8,9 year old
to pay dearly with boys school until he is 18 years of age and learn keep his dick in his pants.
Maybe that message would sink in with the guys around town.
But then I'm a toughie and old school. I'm afraid my kind might be on the way out, good thing
not sure I could take a society that condones a little girl having sex at age 7.
What the fuckin fuck what! :evil:
I resent your implication that I am condoning a child of 7 having sex. It is a stupid leap to make.
Why don't you go down to 2 years old...it is as ridiculous as 7, which you now have jumped to...you haven't responded and now won't because you are out, but I will pose the question anyway...why would you want a 9 year old to get pregnant because the ability to stop it was unattainable because of shame or appointment unavailability or any other reason? That is what is crazy to me. Even to imply that 9 year olds are running around having sex is ridiculous, puberty or not...but my arguments apply at any age really. If we are going to say things like condone, I ask you why would you condone a 9 year old getting pregnant when it was avoidable?
A huge part of a good society.
Children must learn this to make the right choices in their adult life.
There is a big difference in allowing all ages without parental permission
then allowing young adults access without parental permission.
The fact that you feel your argument applies to any age is extremely telling
and makes about as much sense as this judge.0
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