Children should be allowed to get bored

JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
edited March 2013 in A Moving Train
Interesting...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-21895704

Children should be allowed to get bored so they can develop their innate ability to be creative, an education expert says.

Dr Teresa Belton told the BBC cultural expectations that children should be constantly active could hamper the development of their imagination

She quizzed author Meera Syal and artist Grayson Perry about how boredom had aided their creativity as children.

Syal said boredom made her write, while Perry said it was a "creative state".

The senior researcher at the University of East Anglia's School of Education and Lifelong Learning interviewed a number of authors, artists and scientists in her exploration of the effects of boredom.

She heard Syal's memories of the small mining village, with few distractions, where she grew up.

Dr Belton said: "Lack of things to do spurred her to talk to people she would not otherwise have engaged with and to try activities she would not, under other circumstances, have experienced, such as talking to elderly neighbours and learning to bake cakes.

"Boredom is often associated with solitude and Syal spent hours of her early life staring out of the window across fields and woods, watching the changing weather and seasons.

"But importantly boredom made her write. She kept a diary from a young age, filling it with observations, short stories, poems, and diatribe. And she attributes these early beginnings to becoming a writer late in life."

'Reflection'
The comedienne turned writer said: "Enforced solitude alone with a blank page is a wonderful spur."

While Perry said boredom was also beneficial for adults: "As I get older, I appreciate reflection and boredom. Boredom is a very creative state."

And neuroscientist and expert on brain deterioration Prof Susan Greenfield, who also spoke to the academic, recalled a childhood in a family with little money and no siblings until she was 13.

"She happily entertained herself with making up stories, drawing pictures of her stories and going to the library."

Dr Belton, who is an expert in the impact of emotions on behaviour and learning, said boredom could be an "uncomfortable feeling" and that society had "developed an expectation of being constantly occupied and constantly stimulated".

But she warned that being creative "involves being able to develop internal stimulus".

"Nature abhors a vacuum and we try to fill it," she said. "Some young people who do not have the interior resources or the responses to deal with that boredom creatively then sometimes end up smashing up bus shelters or taking cars out for a joyride."

'Short circuit'
The academic, who has previously studied the impact of television and videos on children's writing, said: "When children have nothing to do now, they immediately switch on the TV, the computer, the phone or some kind of screen. The time they spend on these things has increased.

"But children need to have stand-and-stare time, time imagining and pursuing their own thinking processes or assimilating their experiences through play or just observing the world around them."

It is this sort of thing that stimulates the imagination, she said, while the screen "tends to short circuit that process and the development of creative capacity".

Syal adds: "You begin to write because there is nothing to prove, nothing to lose, nothing else to do.

"It's very freeing being creative for no other reason other than you freewheel and fill time."

Dr Belton concluded: "For the sake of creativity perhaps we need to slow down and stay offline from time to time."
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i agree. take your asses outside and or play, draw, build, create & things. i've never been bored more than 32 seconds in total ever in my life.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I know some people who allow their children virtually no free time - almost every minute packed with an event, practice, activity. The "go go go!" mentality.

    I loved, as a kid, having a big pad of paper and watercolors or the 64-crayon box of Crayolas, and just letting loose. Or writing my own stories, or in a journal. It was exercise for the brain and imagination.

    People - children included - are so bombarded with images and sounds and "look at me, look at this!" and...the mental therapy of just BEING (something like the stand and stare mentioned in the article) is just so healing and rejuvenating. Allows not just for growth but also problem-solving.

    Among my favorite times of day are the early mornings sitting by the balcony, Danny still sleeping, kitties just awakening, watching the city, and just thinking.
  • Who PrincessWho Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    hedonist wrote:
    I know some people who allow their children virtually no free time - almost every minute packed with an event, practice, activity. The "go go go!" mentality.

    I loved, as a kid, having a big pad of paper and watercolors or the 64-crayon box of Crayolas, and just letting loose. Or writing my own stories, or in a journal. It was exercise for the brain and imagination.

    People - children included - are so bombarded with images and sounds and "look at me, look at this!" and...the mental therapy of just BEING (something like the stand and stare mentioned in the article) is just so healing and rejuvenating. Allows not just for growth but also problem-solving.

    Among my favorite times of day are the early mornings sitting by the balcony, Danny still sleeping, kitties just awakening, watching the city, and just thinking.
    I was thinking about this recently. Kids with incredible schedules--after school it's soccer, dance, music lessons, tutoring. When do kids get to go out and play?
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
  • I heard this lady on the radio the other day. She does make some good points. But....some kids are lost when it comes to down time...case in point....my buddy had his two nephews and some of their friends over so he explained and then they played hide and seek......kids couldn't stay hidden for more then a minute and needed to do something else.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ppl period who hold to a rigid schedule should might deserve to be beat with a 4 foot piece of lumber with nails rammed through the thing. this exculdes pearl jam's rigorous touring schedule as long as they are slapping some ppl around for shits & giggles
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    chadwick wrote:
    ppl period who hold to a rigid schedule should might deserve to be beat with a 4 foot piece of lumber with nails rammed through the thing. this exculdes pearl jam's rigorous touring schedule as long as they are slapping some ppl around for shits & giggles
    Thanks for the :) , sir.

    I get that some people have to abide by strict timelines, be it due to work, children, home life, health issues...but if you DON'T have to, why would you?

    Free time to do whatever or nothing, is not only a luxury for me, but has become a necessity as well.

    A necessary luxury, if you will - or maybe a luxurious necessity.

    Whatever...I need it and make sure I get it :P

    It'd be interesting to see how the minds/imaginations of the children of today differ from those of earlier generations.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    My nephews' and neices' time is mostly scheduled, if they're not at school, they are at one of numerous sports practices/games or music lessons. My siblings seem to think (because I've asked them about this) that if they are not scheduled 24/7, they will be into trouble and drugs. They're good kids, they may get into trouble, but they're not going to get in trouble with the law or anything, they typical kids! But, they're exhausted and completely uncreative, unable to sit still and have no imagination. I often feel bad for them.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,013
    Totally agree. When I was a kid, we had to find ways to entertain ourselves. But now, all I see parents doing is bending over backwards trying to keep their kids entertained, as though they can't do it themselves. It's totally fucking ridiculous.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I think kids must still get bored in school and church, yes? Times when doodling and daydreaming take over,
    maybe even a cat nap. Boredom is for children. I know few adults who get bored.
    I think for us it's peaceful :D
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    my nephews & neices have 4-wheelers, ninja swords, pocket knives, axes, art supplies i bought them, they write poetry, they read, they swim, they play sports, they go camping, they go fishing, some of them go hunting, they go sledding in the snow, snowball fights, video games are played, television is watched & they fight amongst one another & they sit around the firepit with the adults

    the other day we were destructive w/ the ninja sword. was awesome

    by the way... a muddy & wet & cold kid is a happier than shit kid. fact.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    pandora wrote:
    I think kids must still get bored in school and church, yes?

    Yeah, they get bored in church. That's why they leave the church. And some still leave school.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    You know what, all kids are different. Not everything works the same for all kids and anyone that thinks they know the answer for the one way for all kids to be better is an idiot.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,013
    You know what, all kids are different. Not everything works the same for all kids and anyone that thinks they know the answer for the one way for all kids to be better is an idiot.
    I'm not sure there is much room for debate when it comes to saying that kids need to learn how to keep themselves entertained instead of relying on others to do if for them... Wouldn't you agree?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    You know what, all kids are different. Not everything works the same for all kids and anyone that thinks they know the answer for the one way for all kids to be better is an idiot.
    I'm not sure there is much room for debate when it comes to saying that kids need to learn how to keep themselves entertained instead of relying on others to do if for them... Wouldn't you agree?

    Then why do idiots keep writing books and articles about it? ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,013
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    You know what, all kids are different. Not everything works the same for all kids and anyone that thinks they know the answer for the one way for all kids to be better is an idiot.
    I'm not sure there is much room for debate when it comes to saying that kids need to learn how to keep themselves entertained instead of relying on others to do if for them... Wouldn't you agree?

    Then why do idiots keep writing books and articles about it? ;)
    Because yet more idiots keep fucking reading them! :lol:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Idiocy is (sometimes) subjective :P
  • PJ_Soul wrote:
    You know what, all kids are different. Not everything works the same for all kids and anyone that thinks they know the answer for the one way for all kids to be better is an idiot.
    I'm not sure there is much room for debate when it comes to saying that kids need to learn how to keep themselves entertained instead of relying on others to do if for them... Wouldn't you agree?

    Then why do idiots keep writing books and articles about it? ;)


    Come on Cinci any idiot can write a book about parenting. It is the parents who buy the books that keep said idiots around.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,492
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I'm not sure there is much room for debate when it comes to saying that kids need to learn how to keep themselves entertained instead of relying on others to do if for them... Wouldn't you agree?

    Then why do idiots keep writing books and articles about it? ;)


    Come on Cinci any idiot can write a book about parenting. It is the parents who buy the books that keep said idiots around.

    Very true. Because lazy parents are looking for someone else to parent their kids.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    chadwick wrote:
    my nephews & neices have 4-wheelers, ninja swords, pocket knives, axes, art supplies i bought them, they write poetry, they read, they swim, they play sports, they go camping, they go fishing, some of them go hunting, they go sledding in the snow, snowball fights, video games are played, television is watched & they fight amongst one another & they sit around the firepit with the adults

    the other day we were destructive w/ the ninja sword. was awesome

    by the way... a muddy & wet & cold kid is a happier than shit kid. fact.

    Chadwick you are a master. I love your posts.
    Pick up my debut novel here on amazon: Jonny Bails Floatin (in paperback) (also available on Kindle for $2.99)

  • Very true. Because lazy parents are looking for someone else to parent their kids.


    This is why a generation of children wondered why their parents were not purple and a dinosaur.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,393
    I was just thinking about how my six year old grand niece now has a one year old sister and the six year old helps with the baby. This seems to work well for both girls. My Mom grew up attending a one room school house- all elementary grades taught by one woman under one roof- and the older kids helped teach the younger ones. I'm convinced segregating kids by age is not the best way to go. I've heard of schools that are beginning to have mixed ages work together.
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    hedonist wrote:
    I know some people who allow their children virtually no free time - almost every minute packed with an event, practice, activity. The "go go go!" mentality.

    I loved, as a kid, having a big pad of paper and watercolors or the 64-crayon box of Crayolas, and just letting loose. Or writing my own stories, or in a journal. It was exercise for the brain and imagination.

    People - children included - are so bombarded with images and sounds and "look at me, look at this!" and...the mental therapy of just BEING (something like the stand and stare mentioned in the article) is just so healing and rejuvenating. Allows not just for growth but also problem-solving.

    Among my favorite times of day are the early mornings sitting by the balcony, Danny still sleeping, kitties just awakening, watching the city, and just thinking.
    I was thinking about this recently. Kids with incredible schedules--after school it's soccer, dance, music lessons, tutoring. When do kids get to go out and play?
    Whats the problem with kids having after school activities? Practice and all that you described is glorified play, just with an adult present/structure.
    I am not sure what problem you are getting at?
    Practive/activity = play, right?
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    brianlux wrote:
    I was just thinking about how my six year old grand niece now has a one year old sister and the six year old helps with the baby. This seems to work well for both girls. My Mom grew up attending a one room school house- all elementary grades taught by one woman under one roof- and the older kids helped teach the younger ones. I'm convinced segregating kids by age is not the best way to go. I've heard of schools that are beginning to have mixed ages work together.
    Why are you "convinced" that segregating kids by age is not the best way to go...
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,013
    Blockhead wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    I know some people who allow their children virtually no free time - almost every minute packed with an event, practice, activity. The "go go go!" mentality.

    I loved, as a kid, having a big pad of paper and watercolors or the 64-crayon box of Crayolas, and just letting loose. Or writing my own stories, or in a journal. It was exercise for the brain and imagination.

    People - children included - are so bombarded with images and sounds and "look at me, look at this!" and...the mental therapy of just BEING (something like the stand and stare mentioned in the article) is just so healing and rejuvenating. Allows not just for growth but also problem-solving.

    Among my favorite times of day are the early mornings sitting by the balcony, Danny still sleeping, kitties just awakening, watching the city, and just thinking.
    I was thinking about this recently. Kids with incredible schedules--after school it's soccer, dance, music lessons, tutoring. When do kids get to go out and play?
    Whats the problem with kids having after school activities? Practice and all that you described is glorified play, just with an adult present/structure.
    I am not sure what problem you are getting at?
    Practive/activity = play, right?
    The issue is that they are constantly guided and regimented that way. I mean, of course there is nothing wrong with some organized activities, but many parents these days have their kids' entire lives regimented and scheduled and supervised. Kids really do need time just to play. To not be supervised and directed and scheduled. I believe that not allowing that really harms the development of their sense of independence and self-sufficiency. For life.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Balance.

    While I agree that kids can become over-routined, just because current kids' daily life is different from ours doesn't mean it is worse.

    Scheduled activities are important as is free time. I see the value of a defined and guided experience just as I see the value of a free flowing experience without any adult intervention.

    I also think adults are too quick to step in when things go sideays- let the kids work it out. How the hell are they going to be able to work things out later when mom, dad, and the teacher aren't around?

    * Along the lines of my last statement... A move in education- which I agree with- is to stop providing the problem for the students and instead have them figure out: (1) what the problem and (2) its perameters are... and then (3) the solution. For example: providing a video or picture of soil erosion... having the kids determine what is happening, why and how it is happening, what the consequences might be from what is happening, and what to do about it.

    The future needs thinkers capable of thinking. We need to provide as many opportunites for kids to think on their own instead of us doing it for them all the time.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Balance.

    While I agree that kids can become over-routined, just because current kids' daily life is different from ours doesn't mean it is worse.

    The future needs thinkers capable of thinking. We need to provide as many opportunites for kids to think on their own instead of us doing it for them all the time.
    Agreed on your first part. I don't think anyone's villifying one way or the other - or any others - just not a bombardment of activities and being continuously on the go.

    As to the last part, agreed again.

    (and let's hope WE are not having our thinking done for us either - as adults, we need to practice our preachings, otherwise we're just squawkboxes)
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    Balance.

    While I agree that kids can become over-routined, just because current kids' daily life is different from ours doesn't mean it is worse.

    Scheduled activities are important as is free time. I see the value of a defined and guided experience just as I see the value of a free flowing experience without any adult intervention.

    I also think adults are too quick to step in when things go sideays- let the kids work it out. How the hell are they going to be able to work things out later when mom, dad, and the teacher aren't around?

    * Along the lines of my last statement... A move in education- which I agree with- is to stop providing the problem for the students and instead have them figure out: (1) what the problem and (2) its perameters are... and then (3) the solution. For example: providing a video or picture of soil erosion... having the kids determine what is happening, why and how it is happening, what the consequences might be from what is happening, and what to do about it.

    The future needs thinkers capable of thinking. We need to provide as many opportunites for kids to think on their own instead of us doing it for them all the time.
    I see nothing wrong with adults stepping in when things so sideways...
    Simple reason is because I as the Parent (as most do) have the BEST intrest of my child when making decisions or intervening.
    there are ways to do that and also having your child work it out. Kids have a very hard time stepping out of their comforzone without seeing it done or reinforeced at home with out some assistance.
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    hedonist wrote:
    Agreed on your first part. I don't think anyone's villifying one way or the other - or any others - just not a bombardment of activities and being continuously on the go.

    As to the last part, agreed again.

    (and let's hope WE are not having our thinking done for us either - as adults, we need to practice our preachings, otherwise we're just squawkboxes)
    What is "bombardment of activities" and why is that bad?
    I don't understand how being ACTIVE is somehow BAD now...
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Blockhead wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    Agreed on your first part. I don't think anyone's villifying one way or the other - or any others - just not a bombardment of activities and being continuously on the go.

    As to the last part, agreed again.

    (and let's hope WE are not having our thinking done for us either - as adults, we need to practice our preachings, otherwise we're just squawkboxes)
    What is "bombardment of activities" and why is that bad?
    I don't understand how being ACTIVE is somehow BAD now...
    I don't believe I've said that being active is bad. As I've mentioned, it's about being so overscheduled-out-the-ass that there's no downtime to just breathe, and think, and enjoy some truly free time.
  • Blockhead wrote:
    Balance.

    While I agree that kids can become over-routined, just because current kids' daily life is different from ours doesn't mean it is worse.

    Scheduled activities are important as is free time. I see the value of a defined and guided experience just as I see the value of a free flowing experience without any adult intervention.

    I also think adults are too quick to step in when things go sideays- let the kids work it out. How the hell are they going to be able to work things out later when mom, dad, and the teacher aren't around?

    * Along the lines of my last statement... A move in education- which I agree with- is to stop providing the problem for the students and instead have them figure out: (1) what the problem and (2) its perameters are... and then (3) the solution. For example: providing a video or picture of soil erosion... having the kids determine what is happening, why and how it is happening, what the consequences might be from what is happening, and what to do about it.

    The future needs thinkers capable of thinking. We need to provide as many opportunites for kids to think on their own instead of us doing it for them all the time.
    I see nothing wrong with adults stepping in when things so sideways...
    Simple reason is because I as the Parent (as most do) have the BEST intrest of my child when making decisions or intervening.
    there are ways to do that and also having your child work it out. Kids have a very hard time stepping out of their comforzone without seeing it done or reinforeced at home with out some assistance.

    There are definitely times when parent/adult intervention is essential... just not at the first sign of trouble as many are apt to do. Guide kids through the experience and have them work through the process versus jumping to the solution for them without having them move through the various steps necessary to deal with the source of conflict appropriately.

    I would be so bold as to suggest that any adults who deal with conflict poorly did not have the background that afforded them the opportunity to deal with it in the earlier phases of their life. In short... mother hen always ran in the moment any tension presented itself without allowing the young one to spread their wings and attempt to deal with it on their own.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
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