wiki: Virtually all modern scholars agree that Jesus existed

Hugh Freaking Dillon

brianlux wrote:

I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Jesus was a folk hero/tall tale but on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised to learn there really was a guy named Jesus and he and his buddies walked around the desert high on peyote or something containing psilocybin.

Prince Of Dorkness

brianlux wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised to learn there really was a guy named Jesus and he and his buddies walked around the desert high on peyote or something containing psilocybin.

Ok, but EVErYONE does that.

Prince Of Dorkness

OnTheEdge wrote:

Have faith people, you'll be better off in the long run

I have never seen any proof of that.

in fact... people's belief in a totalitarian magic entity in the sky that punishes people actually has been the cause of MOST murders, death and war in the history of humans.

In the long run, you're WORSE off for it.

catefrances

donnaruhl wrote:

catefrances wrote:

brianlux wrote:

And any good music fan know Jesus was a Capricorn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCdfYkUPvTs

historically i have clashed with capricorns... explains a lot.

WOW! So Is EDDIE! (Coincidence) LOL.

ive no doubt ed and i would clash. he has a strong personality and opinions and so do i. the only thing im sure to sync with him on is we both drink... and enjoy it... oh and im sure we both talk our own decent amount of shit.

riotgrl

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I haven't ever heard anyone say that Jesus never existed I don't think. Isn't it common knowledge that he did? What are these people, kind of like holocaust deniers?

I thought the same thing, but when you research it a bit, there's actually no physical evidence of his existence.

And once you start looking you'll see that pretty much every single thing attributed to Jesus was performed or achieved by another "deity" before Jesus supposedly existed. I think it's pretty easy to doubt that he ever existed.

catefrances

what if jesus was actually a demon* and all his feats of 'magic' were just illusion?



*thats demon NOT the devil.

DriftingByTheStorm

catefrances wrote:

what if jesus was actually a demon* and all his feats of 'magic' were just illusion?



*thats demon NOT the devil.

except all of the miracles of jesus have to do with the demonstration of compassion or faith, or otherwise are meant to establish some sort of parable in action. Or in some cases (as with the wine at the wedding party) are meant sort of thematically (in the context of their performance, and the period it was performed in) to suggest something to the audience. [ie. in the Wine at the Wedding miracle, Jesus was both putting his "new wine" parable in to physical terms; demonstrating its context in a wedding; and also, the very act of transforming the water in to wine is kind of an enacted jab at the Jewish purity ritual which he was by way of action transforming and making obsolete]

I'm not even sure what to make of your original point.
it's just goofy. Which, maybe was the point?

catefrances

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

catefrances wrote:

what if jesus was actually a demon* and all his feats of 'magic' were just illusion?



*thats demon NOT the devil.

except all of the miracles of jesus have to do with the demonstration of compassion or faith, or otherwise are meant to establish some sort of parable in action. Or in some cases (as with the wine at the wedding party) are meant sort of thematically (in the context of their performance, and the period it was performed in) to suggest something to the audience. [ie. in the Wine at the Wedding miracle, Jesus was both putting his "new wine" parable in to physical terms; demonstrating its context in a wedding; and also, the very act of transforming the water in to wine is kind of an enacted jab at the Jewish purity ritual which he was by way of action transforming and making obsolete]

I'm not even sure what to make of your original point.
it's just goofy. Which, maybe was the point?

no, my point wasnt to be goofy. im reading this book at the moment titled witchcraft in the middle ages and it talks about religion and heresy and sorcery and how christianity came out on top of all the cults around back in the day and one of the points it discusses is the witch's ability to fly and what might be behind it. it spoke of how no one can fly but the demons had the ability to delude the people.. so they could deceive the people into thinking someone could fly when all it was was just an illusion. then the thought just popped into my head that with all the miracles jesus performed perhaps there was nothing more to them than deception and a touch of demon.

OnTheEdge

Many of you will have to face your comments on judgement day. Jus sayin.

josevolution

OnTheEdge wrote:

Many of you will have to face your comments on judgement day. Jus sayin.

BinauralJam

OnTheEdge wrote:

Many of you will have to face your comments on judgement day. Jus sayin.

God's gona be in Tears, i'm funny.

OnTheEdge

So i'm curious as to how all the athiest or non believers explain things to their kids. I teach my daughter about God and heaven and spirits and life after death and all that. What do you tell your kids? lights out? thats it! I'd be tramatized as a child if a parent told me that. I can honestly say this......I know for certain that there is such thing as ghosts and spirits. There is something after you die. I used to be a huge skeptic when it came to that kind of stuff but things have happened that has changed my outlook on it completely. I know for a fact that a very powerful spiritual energy source lives inside of us all. And people can laugh all they want, but you will have to face your lack of faith someday.

hedonist

OnTheEdge wrote:

So i'm curious as to how all the athiest or non believers explain things to their kids. I teach my daughter about God and heaven and spirits and life after death and all that. What do you tell your kids? lights out? thats it! I'd be tramatized as a child if a parent told me that. I can honestly say this......I know for certain that there is such thing as ghosts and spirits. There is something after you die. I used to be a huge skeptic when it came to that kind of stuff but things have happened that has changed my outlook on it completely. I know for a fact that a very powerful spiritual energy source lives inside of us all. And people can laugh all they want, but you will have to face your lack of faith someday.

I'm neither a believer nor a non one and I don't profess to know a whole lot (except that I don't know a whole lot).

We don't have children, but my own upbringing? Honest conversations with my father, with the essence (taught - and shown to me by example) being that HOW you live your life is more important, valuable, than what comes after.

And that it never was - never could be - his place to ridicule anyone for their beliefs, or lack thereof.

I guess, bottom line for me...I hope you have peace in your beliefs, but maybe lay off on chiding those who don't share them.

Who are you to wave your finger?

catefrances

OnTheEdge wrote:

So i'm curious as to how all the athiest or non believers explain things to their kids. I teach my daughter about God and heaven and spirits and life after death and all that. What do you tell your kids? lights out? thats it! I'd be tramatized as a child if a parent told me that. I can honestly say this......I know for certain that there is such thing as ghosts and spirits. There is something after you die. I used to be a huge skeptic when it came to that kind of stuff but things have happened that has changed my outlook on it completely. I know for a fact that a very powerful spiritual energy source lives inside of us all. And people can laugh all they want, but you will have to face your lack of faith someday.

oh such an easy question... i talk to them with logic and ask them questions so they come to their own conclusions once theyve thought about what it ive asked them. my children arent traumatised by the fact that once theyre dead thier next step is like that of every other organism on the planet. in fact it makes sense... as for ghosts and spirits.. theyre just energy... being an atheist and believing that there is some sort of supernatural energy that hangs around the corporeal world isnt all that weird.. and its not hypocritical. oh and as to facing ,my lack of faith someday... i have zero issue with it. its those who question their belief and their existence and what comes after that... if in fact those are mutually exclusive, that to me have the issue. i am confident in my atheism and i have been since i was 11 years old... ive never questioned it despite my eternal search for answers.. so seriously dude.. i dont know what your issue is but when you think you know what it is, please feel feel to share... and maybe i can help you sort through it.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

OnTheEdge wrote:

So i'm curious as to how all the athiest or non believers explain things to their kids. I teach my daughter about God and heaven and spirits and life after death and all that. What do you tell your kids? lights out? thats it! I'd be tramatized as a child if a parent told me that. I can honestly say this......I know for certain that there is such thing as ghosts and spirits. There is something after you die. I used to be a huge skeptic when it came to that kind of stuff but things have happened that has changed my outlook on it completely. I know for a fact that a very powerful spiritual energy source lives inside of us all. And people can laugh all they want, but you will have to face your lack of faith someday.

Well what do you tell your kids?

Do you tell them that when they die there is a gentle, old, wise, white man that lives in a beautiful place up in the clouds. He has been watching every person since the moment he made people a long time ago and if you have been good... you get to live a really cool eternal life after you die?

redrock

OnTheEdge wrote:

I know for a fact that a very powerful spiritual energy source lives inside of us all.

Strangely enough, after all your 'other' talk, I sort of agree with you on that one. Not that you KNOW for a FACT that this energy 'lives' inside of ALL but that there is an energy within.

Our energy, our inner strength - not an external one like the 'almighty god' thing and all that goes with it but OURS, from inside.

OnTheEdge

catefrances wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

So i'm curious as to how all the athiest or non believers explain things to their kids. I teach my daughter about God and heaven and spirits and life after death and all that. What do you tell your kids? lights out? thats it! I'd be tramatized as a child if a parent told me that. I can honestly say this......I know for certain that there is such thing as ghosts and spirits. There is something after you die. I used to be a huge skeptic when it came to that kind of stuff but things have happened that has changed my outlook on it completely. I know for a fact that a very powerful spiritual energy source lives inside of us all. And people can laugh all they want, but you will have to face your lack of faith someday.

oh such an easy question... i talk to them with logic and ask them questions so they come to their own conclusions once theyve thought about what it ive asked them. my children arent traumatised by the fact that once theyre dead thier next step is like that of every other organism on the planet. in fact it makes sense... as for ghosts and spirits.. theyre just energy... being an atheist and believing that there is some sort of supernatural energy that hangs around the corporeal world isnt all that weird.. and its not hypocritical. oh and as to facing ,my lack of faith someday... i have zero issue with it. its those who question their belief and their existence and what comes after that... if in fact those are mutually exclusive, that to me have the issue. i am confident in my atheism and i have been since i was 11 years old... ive never questioned it despite my eternal search for answers.. so seriously dude.. i dont know what your issue is but when you think you know what it is, please feel feel to share... and maybe i can help you sort through it.

Why do ask what my issue is? Wasn't trying to come across as rude or pushy. Just saying where I stand on my beliefs. Why do athiest always assume people are trying to push there beliefs on them? I'm glad you're comfortable with your atheism. It really doesn't affect me at all. And when asking what you tell your kids it was really just a serious question. I had no idea how athiest handled that issue. And it was a good answer, even though I don't agree with it. I'm open to other people having the right to believe in whatever they want. The only time an athiest may bother me is when you hear a story about some teenage girl wanting a wall hanging taken down in her school because it has the word God on it. Really?? Like someone just having to look at the word is offensive? That to me is atheism being pushed upon others.

OnTheEdge

hedonist wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

So i'm curious as to how all the athiest or non believers explain things to their kids. I teach my daughter about God and heaven and spirits and life after death and all that. What do you tell your kids? lights out? thats it! I'd be tramatized as a child if a parent told me that. I can honestly say this......I know for certain that there is such thing as ghosts and spirits. There is something after you die. I used to be a huge skeptic when it came to that kind of stuff but things have happened that has changed my outlook on it completely. I know for a fact that a very powerful spiritual energy source lives inside of us all. And people can laugh all they want, but you will have to face your lack of faith someday.

I'm neither a believer nor a non one and I don't profess to know a whole lot (except that I don't know a whole lot).

We don't have children, but my own upbringing? Honest conversations with my father, with the essence (taught - and shown to me by example) being that HOW you live your life is more important, valuable, than what comes after.

And that it never was - never could be - his place to ridicule anyone for their beliefs, or lack thereof.

I guess, bottom line for me...I hope you have peace in your beliefs, but maybe lay off on chiding those who don't share them.

Who are you to wave your finger?

Seriously not trying to ridicule anyone. Or wave a finger. Take it as you wish.

redrock

OnTheEdge wrote:

....Wasn't trying to come across as rude or pushy.... Why do athiest always assume people are trying to push there beliefs on them?

Maybe these kind of statements have something to do with it?

OnTheEdge wrote:

Many of you will have to face your comments on judgement day. Jus sayin.

OnTheEdge wrote:

I know for a fact that a very powerful spiritual energy source lives inside of us all. And people can laugh all they want, but you will have to face your lack of faith someday.

OnTheEdge

redrock wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

....Wasn't trying to come across as rude or pushy.... Why do athiest always assume people are trying to push there beliefs on them?

Maybe these kind of statements have something to do with it?

OnTheEdge wrote:

Many of you will have to face your comments on judgement day. Jus sayin.

OnTheEdge wrote:

I know for a fact that a very powerful spiritual energy source lives inside of us all. And people can laugh all they want, but you will have to face your lack of faith someday.

Well, those are my beliefs. If you are truly comfortable with your lack of faith that really shouldn't offend you.