What have WE done to the people of Iraq??

STAYSEA

WAR is a huge source of income for the country.

"History never repeats, I tell my self before I fall asleep"

It creates money and kills innocent people. The winner is... no one.

Have your heard the expression, "necessary evil" ?

This is thousands of years I'm referring to. People fight everyday, and forever.

peacefrompaul

STAYSEA wrote:

Yes both sides are EVIL and so many other countries were involved to help Americans. It sucked. Civil War in ANY country is far worse. At least Saddam is DEAD. That's the real reason. That Frucker is worse than Dick Chaney. Do you deny?

Even if he was, that does not give us any right to invade and occupy the country

BinauralJam

Drowned Out wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

We? i ain't did shit to nobody.

Mr.Fish posted this today on fb, minutes before I saw your post....not pickin on you in particular, but he does have a point...

mcgavinj wrote:

I'm sure their birth survival rate and medical care was stellar with their former leader in charge.

All of their medical stats were improving quickly throughout the 70's and 80's, until Gulf war 1 and sanctions crippled their medical system in the 90's.

You're posts are always welcome!

STAYSEA

STAYSEA wrote:

WAR is a huge source of income for the country.

"History never repeats, I tell my self before I fall asleep"

It creates money and kills innocent people. The winner is... no one.

Have your heard the expression, "necessary evil" ?

This is thousands of years I'm referring to. People fight everyday, and forever.

It's about GREED and MONEY, always. It doesn't matter who fights who, or what country .

Byrnzie

STAYSEA wrote:

Saddam was the REAL reason. everything else was distractions.

Are you really going to try and pretend that the U.S government has been opposed to dictators throughout it's history, and that this was the reason for it's invasion of Iraq? Are you really going to try and pretend this in the face of all the evidence?

The Iraq war was primarily, if not exclusively, about the U.S wanting Iraq's oil: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... aq-war-oil

"He [Ahmed Chalabi] and Cheney spent long hours together, contemplating the possibilities of a Western-oriented Iraq: an additional source of oil, an alternative to US dependency on an unstable-looking Saudi Arabia."

...Gen. John Abizaid, former commander of CENTCOM with responsibility for Iraq, had to say about that war:

"Of course it's about oil, it's very much about oil, and we can't really deny that. From the standpoint of a solider who's now fought in the middle east for six years – my son-in-law's fought there for four years, my daughter's been over there, my son has served the nation – my family has been fighting for a long time."

And here is what the current US Secretary of Defense, Chuck Hagel, said about the Iraq war back in 2007 (via Dick Distardli):

"People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America's national interest. What the hell do you think they're talking about? We're not there for figs."

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan added in his 2007 book: "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." What other evidence do deniers need before accepting this obvious reality?'

As for the U.S being opposed to dictators, please explain to me why the U.S overthrew democratically elected President Allende of Chile, and replaced him with a murderous dictator, to cite just one example from a list of dozens.

badbrains

Byrnzie wrote:

STAYSEA wrote:

Saddam was the REAL reason. everything else was distractions.

Are you really going to try and pretend that the U.S government has been opposed to dictators throughout it's history, and that this was the reason for it's invasion of Iraq? Are you really going to try and pretend this in the face of all the evidence?

The Iraq war was primarily, if not exclusively, about the U.S wanting Iraq's oil: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... aq-war-oil

"He [Ahmed Chalabi] and Cheney spent long hours together, contemplating the possibilities of a Western-oriented Iraq: an additional source of oil, an alternative to US dependency on an unstable-looking Saudi Arabia."

...Gen. John Abizaid, former commander of CENTCOM with responsibility for Iraq, had to say about that war:


"Of course it's about oil, it's very much about oil, and we can't really deny that. From the standpoint of a solider who's now fought in the middle east for six years – my son-in-law's fought there for four years, my daughter's been over there, my son has served the nation – my family has been fighting for a long time."

And here is what the current US Secretary of Defense, Chuck Hagel, said about the Iraq war back in 2007 (via Dick Distardli):

"People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America's national interest. What the hell do you think they're talking about? We're not there for figs."

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan added in his 2007 book: "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." What other evidence do deniers need before accepting this obvious reality?'

As for the U.S being opposed to dictators, please explain to me why the U.S overthrew democratically elected President Allende of Chile, and replaced him with a murderous dictator, to cite just one example from a list of dozens.

Steve, she did say she knew about the house of saud, so maybe she can explain "that" dictatorship. And not for nothing, but quoting Ed lyrics or songs in your posts makes you look all over the place and confusing. You hate war yet wars an evil need??? Huh, go figure....

So, here's one for ya,

"vacate is the word
Vengeance has no place on me or her
Cannot find the comfort in this world
Artificial tear
Vessel stabbed, next up, volunteers?
Vulnerable, wisdom can't adhere"

gimmesometruth27

gimmesometruth27

someone talked about how badly american soldiers were treated while in captivity. yes that is terrible. but you can not compare what happened to a small number of soldiers to an entire generation of iraqi children being born with such terrible birth defects directly related to the munitions that the american and coalition forces used in iraq. the rate is higher than the rates in hiroshima and nagasaki following the atomic attacks.

STAYSEA

Byrnzie wrote:

STAYSEA wrote:

Saddam was the REAL reason. everything else was distractions.

Are you really going to try and pretend that the U.S government has been opposed to dictators throughout it's history, and that this was the reason for it's invasion of Iraq? Are you really going to try and pretend this in the face of all the evidence?

The Iraq war was primarily, if not exclusively, about the U.S wanting Iraq's oil: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... aq-war-oil

"He [Ahmed Chalabi] and Cheney spent long hours together, contemplating the possibilities of a Western-oriented Iraq: an additional source of oil, an alternative to US dependency on an unstable-looking Saudi Arabia."

...Gen. John Abizaid, former commander of CENTCOM with responsibility for Iraq, had to say about that war:

"Of course it's about oil, it's very much about oil, and we can't really deny that. From the standpoint of a solider who's now fought in the middle east for six years – my son-in-law's fought there for four years, my daughter's been over there, my son has served the nation – my family has been fighting for a long time."

And here is what the current US Secretary of Defense, Chuck Hagel, said about the Iraq war back in 2007 (via Dick Distardli):

"People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America's national interest. What the hell do you think they're talking about? We're not there for figs."

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan added in his 2007 book: "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." What other evidence do deniers need before accepting this obvious reality?'

As for the U.S being opposed to dictators, please explain to me why the U.S overthrew democratically elected President Allende of Chile, and replaced him with a murderous dictator, to cite just one example from a list of dozens.

Thanks you, Byrnize! You said the truth. It's a game over OIL. (upton sinclair's The Jungle). America does not want to use our own resources . WE did have money to get it other places. Now we are broke and selling to everyone, our ocean properties... If we tapped into Alaska, America would be rich with money, but every native thing living would suffer or die. Alaska is a fragile ecosystem that should not be messed with.


"Winner Winner, Chicken Dinner" I have a box of finger puppets that are dictators. I bought it long ago... Out of 6 , Only one of the characters is still alive. George Bush. :?

STAYSEA

badbrains wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

STAYSEA wrote:

Saddam was the REAL reason. everything else was distractions.

Are you really going to try and pretend that the U.S government has been opposed to dictators throughout it's history, and that this was the reason for it's invasion of Iraq? Are you really going to try and pretend this in the face of all the evidence?

The Iraq war was primarily, if not exclusively, about the U.S wanting Iraq's oil: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... aq-war-oil

"He [Ahmed Chalabi] and Cheney spent long hours together, contemplating the possibilities of a Western-oriented Iraq: an additional source of oil, an alternative to US dependency on an unstable-looking Saudi Arabia."

...Gen. John Abizaid, former commander of CENTCOM with responsibility for Iraq, had to say about that war:


"Of course it's about oil, it's very much about oil, and we can't really deny that. From the standpoint of a solider who's now fought in the middle east for six years – my son-in-law's fought there for four years, my daughter's been over there, my son has served the nation – my family has been fighting for a long time."

And here is what the current US Secretary of Defense, Chuck Hagel, said about the Iraq war back in 2007 (via Dick Distardli):

"People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are. They talk about America's national interest. What the hell do you think they're talking about? We're not there for figs."

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan added in his 2007 book: "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." What other evidence do deniers need before accepting this obvious reality?'

As for the U.S being opposed to dictators, please explain to me why the U.S overthrew democratically elected President Allende of Chile, and replaced him with a murderous dictator, to cite just one example from a list of dozens.

Steve, she did say she knew about the house of saud, so maybe she can explain "that" dictatorship. And not for nothing, but quoting Ed lyrics or songs in your posts makes you look all over the place and confusing. You hate war yet wars an evil need??? Huh, go figure....

So, here's one for ya,

"vacate is the word
Vengeance has no place on me or her
Cannot find the comfort in this world
Artificial tear
Vessel stabbed, next up, volunteers?
Vulnerable, wisdom can't adhere"

The Former United States President's were close with the Bin Ladens. At least America rotates dictators. They are all the same. Some screw things up more, and we have a chance to vote for a new one. Kind of like a lottery. If we don't win.... The Person with power can only have it for 8 years. If we had a consistent theme, It would be more fair. I'm glad the USA has three branches of government. My question is, do you think the United States Supreme Court is fair and unbiased? It is just my feeling they have the final say in every matter... If they choose to. Scary?

gimmesometruth27

did anyone actually read what i posted in the op or the links? :fp:

even flow - question mark

10 years on and those pricks in Iraq have not thanked us for trying all our new weapons out on their country. We gave them some new cancers for their doctors to work with. Split the country into tribes again. Got rid of that bad man Saddam. Then those asses decided to photoshop an intimate picture of one of us with him. Like we were his friend at one time. Sheesh! Man, we were stupid to leave all that depleted uranium there incase they can pull it out of the ground and water sources and make a bomb to use on us. Well until they say thank you , I think they got all they deserved! They should take a page out of Pakistan and see how to really cowtail to us. At least they keep their country in check.

STAYSEA

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

this is just shocking. more evidence or war crimes committed by the us and the "coalition of the willing" with the use of white phosphorus and depleted uranium. these sorts of munitions should be banned, and the use of such weapons should be considered a crime against humanity. i was gonna post pics but decided it was not a great idea. people need to see them though.

don't forget to check out the video on the linked page...

Iraq War Anniversary: Birth Defects And Cancer Rates At Devastating High In Basra And Fallujah (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/2 ... 17701.html

Ten years after the start of the U.S. invasion in Iraq, doctors in some of the Middle Eastern nation's cities are witnessing an abnormally high number of cases of cancer and birth defects. Scientists suspect the rise is tied to the use of depleted uranium and white phosphorus in military assaults.

On the war's ten-year anniversary, Democracy Now! spoke with Dahr Jamail, an Al Jazeera reporter who recently returned from Iraq. Jamail recounts meeting Dr. Samira Alani, a doctor in the city of Fallujah focusing on the issue of birth defects.

She said it's common now in Fallujah for newborns to come out with massive multiple systemic defects, immune problems, massive central nervous system problems, massive heart problems, skeletal disorders, babies being born with two heads, babies being born with half of their internal organs outside of their bodies, cyclops babies literally with one eye -- really, really, really horrific nightmarish types of birth defects.

Jamail says that the current rate of birth defects for the city of Fallujah has surpassed those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the nuclear attacks at the end of World War II.

Echoing Jamail's findings, a September 2012 study published in the Bulletin of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology that focused on maternity hospitals in the cities of Basra and Fallujah recorded a devastating number of birth defects in the past decade. The study also indicated that childhood leukemia and other types of cancers are on the rise.

The study opens:

Between October 1994 and October 1995, the number of birth defects per 1,000 live births in Al Basrah Maternity Hospital was 1.37. In 2003, the number of birth defects in Al Basrah Maternity Hospital was 23 per 1,000 livebirths. Within less than a decade, the occurrence of congenital birth defects increased by an astonishing 17-fold in the same hospital.
As David Kenner notes in Foreign Policy, the numbers of miscarriages and birth defects are much higher than before the start of the war and are also "wildly out of proportion" to numbers collected in the rest of the world.

Mozhgan Savabieasfahani, one of the lead authors of the 2012 study and a toxicologist at the University of Michigan, told The Independent in 2012 that there is "compelling evidence" to connect the growing number of defects at birth to the military assaults in Basra and Fallujah.

In a new op-ed for Al Jazeera, Savabieasfahani writes that the cancer and birth defect "epidemic" constitutes an "extraordinary public health emergency in Iraq" and that large-scale testing of the environment in the affected cities is of utmost urgency.

Watch Democracy Now!'s interview Dahr Jamail in the video above, and see the Democracy Now! website for more coverage.



and here is the link to the study:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/u35 ... pdf?MUD=MP

I can't look at that video. I'm trying to answer your question. with a question. What did Saddam do?

This is my example http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/worl ... 715059.ece

it's an article not a disturbing video. I want to quote Gandhi. Will we ever know what Iraqis think? Some are happy Some are pissed.

PU38569

Bronx Bombers wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

this is just shocking. more evidence or war crimes committed by the us and the "coalition of the willing" with the use of white phosphorus and depleted uranium. these sorts of munitions should be banned, and the use of such weapons should be considered a crime against humanity. i was gonna post pics but decided it was not a great idea. people need to see them though.

This has been going on long before Iraq, Clinton used the same shit in Bosnia, Kosovo and Serbia.

Yep, during Clinton, after Iraq war 1 with the enforcement of the "no-fly zones" ... There were more bombing sorties flown after the war than during it. One congressman even said "we're down to the last outhouse here". Depleted Uranium weapons were used and the radioactivity bonded to sand and cancer rates had skyrocketed, before Iraq 2 . That was "gulf war syndrome". It affected children the most. Coupled with sanctions, it led to an epidemic. There was an estimate that 500000 children had died in Iraq. Madeleine albright's quote was "we think the price is worth it".

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/7/30/d ... lbright_on

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Pakistani fertilizer company ....in America

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/28/rep-hunter-subsidy-for-fertilizer-company-crazy/?page=all

pandora

10 years ago a baby was brought from Iraq to Atl for surgery for Spina bifida
this because of service men who got involved and arranged for a charity to help out.

She is 10 now, a lovely girl. This a heart warming story.
If the servicemen had not ben there she would have died within months.

badbrains

pandora wrote:

10 years ago a baby was brought from Iraq to Atl for surgery for Spina bifida
this because of service men who got involved and arranged for a charity to help out.

She is 10 now, a lovely girl. This a heart warming story.
If the servicemen had not ben there she would have died within months.

And just think how many MORE Iraqis would be alive had we NOT invaded. :roll:

STAYSEA

even flow - question mark wrote:

10 years on and those pricks in Iraq have not thanked us for trying all our new weapons out on their country. We gave them some new cancers for their doctors to work with. Split the country into tribes again. Got rid of that bad man Saddam. Then those asses decided to Photoshop an intimate picture of one of us with him. Like we were his friend at one time. Sheesh! Man, we were stupid to leave all that depleted uranium there in case they can pull it out of the ground and water sources and make a bomb to use on us. Well until they say thank you , I think they got all they deserved! They should take a page out of Pakistan and see how to really cow tail to us. At least they keep their country in check.

It really reads like you lived through it personally. :shock:

Everyone should hear this. Honesty is ... refreshing.

Thinking and knowing are different things. which is it?

Byrnzie

badbrains wrote:

pandora wrote:

10 years ago a baby was brought from Iraq to Atl for surgery for Spina bifida
this because of service men who got involved and arranged for a charity to help out.

She is 10 now, a lovely girl. This a heart warming story.
If the servicemen had not ben there she would have died within months.

And just think how many MORE Iraqis would be alive had we NOT invaded. :roll:

Why? What difference does over 1 million dead, and 5 million refugees make, when we can conveniently wipe the slate clean with this one story about a girl being taken care of in the good ole U.S of A?

STAYSEA

Byrnzie wrote:

badbrains wrote:

pandora wrote:

10 years ago a baby was brought from Iraq to Atl for surgery for Spina bifida
this because of service men who got involved and arranged for a charity to help out.

She is 10 now, a lovely girl. This a heart warming story.
If the servicemen had not ben there she would have died within months.

And just think how many MORE Iraqis would be alive had we NOT invaded. :roll:

Why? What difference does over 1 million dead, and 5 million refugees make, when we can conveniently wipe the slate clean with this one story about a girl being taken care of in the good ole U.S of A?

It really doesn't make sense to me either Byrnzie. I know you have way more of a perspective on this than me.