What have WE done to the people of Iraq??
gimmesometruth27
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this is just shocking. more evidence or war crimes committed by the us and the "coalition of the willing" with the use of white phosphorus and depleted uranium. these sorts of munitions should be banned, and the use of such weapons should be considered a crime against humanity. i was gonna post pics but decided it was not a great idea. people need to see them though.
don't forget to check out the video on the linked page...
Iraq War Anniversary: Birth Defects And Cancer Rates At Devastating High In Basra And Fallujah (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/2 ... 17701.html
Ten years after the start of the U.S. invasion in Iraq, doctors in some of the Middle Eastern nation's cities are witnessing an abnormally high number of cases of cancer and birth defects. Scientists suspect the rise is tied to the use of depleted uranium and white phosphorus in military assaults.
On the war's ten-year anniversary, Democracy Now! spoke with Dahr Jamail, an Al Jazeera reporter who recently returned from Iraq. Jamail recounts meeting Dr. Samira Alani, a doctor in the city of Fallujah focusing on the issue of birth defects.
She said it's common now in Fallujah for newborns to come out with massive multiple systemic defects, immune problems, massive central nervous system problems, massive heart problems, skeletal disorders, babies being born with two heads, babies being born with half of their internal organs outside of their bodies, cyclops babies literally with one eye -- really, really, really horrific nightmarish types of birth defects.
Jamail says that the current rate of birth defects for the city of Fallujah has surpassed those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the nuclear attacks at the end of World War II.
Echoing Jamail's findings, a September 2012 study published in the Bulletin of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology that focused on maternity hospitals in the cities of Basra and Fallujah recorded a devastating number of birth defects in the past decade. The study also indicated that childhood leukemia and other types of cancers are on the rise.
The study opens:
Between October 1994 and October 1995, the number of birth defects per 1,000 live births in Al Basrah Maternity Hospital was 1.37. In 2003, the number of birth defects in Al Basrah Maternity Hospital was 23 per 1,000 livebirths. Within less than a decade, the occurrence of congenital birth defects increased by an astonishing 17-fold in the same hospital.
As David Kenner notes in Foreign Policy, the numbers of miscarriages and birth defects are much higher than before the start of the war and are also "wildly out of proportion" to numbers collected in the rest of the world.
Mozhgan Savabieasfahani, one of the lead authors of the 2012 study and a toxicologist at the University of Michigan, told The Independent in 2012 that there is "compelling evidence" to connect the growing number of defects at birth to the military assaults in Basra and Fallujah.
In a new op-ed for Al Jazeera, Savabieasfahani writes that the cancer and birth defect "epidemic" constitutes an "extraordinary public health emergency in Iraq" and that large-scale testing of the environment in the affected cities is of utmost urgency.
Watch Democracy Now!'s interview Dahr Jamail in the video above, and see the Democracy Now! website for more coverage.
and here is the link to the study:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u35 ... pdf?MUD=MP
don't forget to check out the video on the linked page...
Iraq War Anniversary: Birth Defects And Cancer Rates At Devastating High In Basra And Fallujah (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/2 ... 17701.html
Ten years after the start of the U.S. invasion in Iraq, doctors in some of the Middle Eastern nation's cities are witnessing an abnormally high number of cases of cancer and birth defects. Scientists suspect the rise is tied to the use of depleted uranium and white phosphorus in military assaults.
On the war's ten-year anniversary, Democracy Now! spoke with Dahr Jamail, an Al Jazeera reporter who recently returned from Iraq. Jamail recounts meeting Dr. Samira Alani, a doctor in the city of Fallujah focusing on the issue of birth defects.
She said it's common now in Fallujah for newborns to come out with massive multiple systemic defects, immune problems, massive central nervous system problems, massive heart problems, skeletal disorders, babies being born with two heads, babies being born with half of their internal organs outside of their bodies, cyclops babies literally with one eye -- really, really, really horrific nightmarish types of birth defects.
Jamail says that the current rate of birth defects for the city of Fallujah has surpassed those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the nuclear attacks at the end of World War II.
Echoing Jamail's findings, a September 2012 study published in the Bulletin of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology that focused on maternity hospitals in the cities of Basra and Fallujah recorded a devastating number of birth defects in the past decade. The study also indicated that childhood leukemia and other types of cancers are on the rise.
The study opens:
Between October 1994 and October 1995, the number of birth defects per 1,000 live births in Al Basrah Maternity Hospital was 1.37. In 2003, the number of birth defects in Al Basrah Maternity Hospital was 23 per 1,000 livebirths. Within less than a decade, the occurrence of congenital birth defects increased by an astonishing 17-fold in the same hospital.
As David Kenner notes in Foreign Policy, the numbers of miscarriages and birth defects are much higher than before the start of the war and are also "wildly out of proportion" to numbers collected in the rest of the world.
Mozhgan Savabieasfahani, one of the lead authors of the 2012 study and a toxicologist at the University of Michigan, told The Independent in 2012 that there is "compelling evidence" to connect the growing number of defects at birth to the military assaults in Basra and Fallujah.
In a new op-ed for Al Jazeera, Savabieasfahani writes that the cancer and birth defect "epidemic" constitutes an "extraordinary public health emergency in Iraq" and that large-scale testing of the environment in the affected cities is of utmost urgency.
Watch Democracy Now!'s interview Dahr Jamail in the video above, and see the Democracy Now! website for more coverage.
and here is the link to the study:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/u35 ... pdf?MUD=MP
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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Liberated them of course. :?Peace, Love.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
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We? i ain't did shit to nobody.0
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:this is just shocking. more evidence or war crimes committed by the us and the "coalition of the willing" with the use of white phosphorus and depleted uranium. these sorts of munitions should be banned, and the use of such weapons should be considered a crime against humanity. i was gonna post pics but decided it was not a great idea. people need to see them though.
This has been going on long before Iraq, Clinton used the same shit in Bosnia, Kosovo and Serbia.0 -
There is an unnamed guy that tortures Americans. They know him only as “Brother Hamid”. (I'm sure some one killed this awful person by now.)
I can not find this one POW's name but he was so badly beaten for almost ten years. The U.S.A. finally found him and rescued him. He is okay, barely. His Wife and Daughter had too leave him though. He's too "broken" to be okay ever again. His captors made him go on videos and tell Americans he was being treated fine.
They would promise food, or a pencil and paper. One of his captors thought is was fun to threaten to kill him every day. He got one message to his family, so he stayed alive. He learned Morse code to communicate with other prisoners. Most of the time he could hear a pop, and he knew they had been killed.
He still wonders why they kept him alive.
I can not find his name anywhere.
The doors swing both ways right?
The United states media censors this stuff. I read about in other countries headlines.
It's horrific on either side.
He came close, but never lost hope. I really wish I remembered his name.
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I'm sure their birth survival rate and medical care was stellar with their former leader in charge.0
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Mr.Fish posted this today on fb, minutes before I saw your post....not pickin on you in particular, but he does have a point...BinauralJam wrote:We? i ain't did shit to nobody.
All of their medical stats were improving quickly throughout the 70's and 80's, until Gulf war 1 and sanctions crippled their medical system in the 90's.mcgavinj wrote:I'm sure their birth survival rate and medical care was stellar with their former leader in charge.0 -
Not to belittle the horrors experienced by the occupying forces in Iraq...but they are/were occupying forces. They shouldn't have been there in the first place. Their families are not being bombed...and if they're lucky, they get to come home and not be forced to live off forever radioactive land, and drink toxic water. On an individual basis, maybe the horrors are equal. But the psyche, the infrastructure, the economy, and the environmental health of a nation have been destroyed by US interests, over the past 20 years in particular. In the big picture, you cannot compare sides in this.STAYSEA wrote:There is an unnamed guy that tortures Americans. They know him only as “Brother Hamid”. (I'm sure some one killed this awful person by now.)
I can not find this one POW's name but he was so badly beaten for almost ten years. The U.S.A. finally found him and rescued him. He is okay, barely. His Wife and Daughter had too leave him though. He's too "broken" to be okay ever again. His captors made him go on videos and tell Americans he was being treated fine.
They would promise food, or a pencil and paper. One of his captors thought is was fun to threaten to kill him every day. He got one message to his family, so he stayed alive. He learned Morse code to communicate with other prisoners. Most of the time he could hear a pop, and he knew they had been killed.
He still wonders why they kept him alive.
I can not find his name anywhere.
The doors swing both ways right?
The United states media censors this stuff. I read about in other countries headlines.
It's horrific on either side.
He came close, but never lost hope. I really wish I remembered his name.
(I need to stop typing in the dark with out my glasses)0 -
I won't fight or support a war unless they come to my property. Then it's so legal and personal.
It takes a special type of human to go through what war veterans have lived through.
I say the same about cancer survivors.
(I've been asked to join several branches of armed forces, The pack they have to carry is 80 pounds? I'm almost 90#. My country asks too much from me. I would collapse and pass out in the sand somewhere )
I told one Marine recruiter, I can't enlist because I do not meet your branches height expectations.
He always bothered me on my Frucking lunch break. At least he gave it up, and I had peace. I have nothing to offer.
Air force? My eyesight is too bad. Please, leave me be.
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If everyone had this attitude, there would be no war. its as simple and impossible as that.STAYSEA wrote:I won't fight or support a war unless they come to my property. Then it's so legal and personal.
It takes a special type of human to go through what war veterans have lived through.
I say the same about cancer survivors.
(I've been asked to join several branches of armed forces, The pack they have to carry is 80 pounds? I'm almost 90#. My country asks too much from me. I would collapse and pass out in the sand somewhere )
I told one Marine recruiter, I can't enlist because I do not meet your branches height expectations.
He always bothered me on my Frucking lunch break. At least he gave it up, and I had peace. I have nothing to offer.
Air force? My eyesight is too bad. Please, leave me be.0 -
Drowned Out wrote:
Not to belittle the horrors experienced by the occupying forces in Iraq...but they are/were occupying forces. They shouldn't have been there in the first place. Their families are not being bombed...and if they're lucky, they get to come home and not be forced to live off forever radioactive land, and drink toxic water. On an individual basis, maybe the horrors are equal. But the psyche, the infrastructure, the economy, and the environmental health of a nation have been destroyed by US interests, over the past 20 years in particular. In the big picture, you cannot compare sides in this.STAYSEA wrote:There is an unnamed guy that tortures Americans. They know him only as “Brother Hamid”. (I'm sure some one killed this awful person by now.)
I can not find this one POW's name but he was so badly beaten for almost ten years. The U.S.A. finally found him and rescued him. He is okay, barely. His Wife and Daughter had too leave him though. He's too "broken" to be okay ever again. His captors made him go on videos and tell Americans he was being treated fine.
They would promise food, or a pencil and paper. One of his captors thought is was fun to threaten to kill him every day. He got one message to his family, so he stayed alive. He learned Morse code to communicate with other prisoners. Most of the time he could hear a pop, and he knew they had been killed.
He still wonders why they kept him alive.
I can not find his name anywhere.
The doors swing both ways right?
The United states media censors this stuff. I read about in other countries headlines.
It's horrific on either side.
He came close, but never lost hope. I really wish I remembered his name.
(I need to stop typing in the dark with out my glasses)
Yes both sides are EVIL and so many other countries were involved to help Americans. It sucked. Civil War in ANY country is far worse. At least Saddam is DEAD. That's the real reason. That Frucker is worse than Dick Chaney. Do you deny?0 -
yes ma'am, i do. For the most part, they're one and the same. They've both had more blood on their hands than any foot soldier has....STAYSEA wrote:Drowned Out wrote:
Not to belittle the horrors experienced by the occupying forces in Iraq...but they are/were occupying forces. They shouldn't have been there in the first place. Their families are not being bombed...and if they're lucky, they get to come home and not be forced to live off forever radioactive land, and drink toxic water. On an individual basis, maybe the horrors are equal. But the psyche, the infrastructure, the economy, and the environmental health of a nation have been destroyed by US interests, over the past 20 years in particular. In the big picture, you cannot compare sides in this.STAYSEA wrote:There is an unnamed guy that tortures Americans. They know him only as “Brother Hamid”. (I'm sure some one killed this awful person by now.)
I can not find this one POW's name but he was so badly beaten for almost ten years. The U.S.A. finally found him and rescued him. He is okay, barely. His Wife and Daughter had too leave him though. He's too "broken" to be okay ever again. His captors made him go on videos and tell Americans he was being treated fine.
They would promise food, or a pencil and paper. One of his captors thought is was fun to threaten to kill him every day. He got one message to his family, so he stayed alive. He learned Morse code to communicate with other prisoners. Most of the time he could hear a pop, and he knew they had been killed.
He still wonders why they kept him alive.
I can not find his name anywhere.
The doors swing both ways right?
The United states media censors this stuff. I read about in other countries headlines.
It's horrific on either side.
He came close, but never lost hope. I really wish I remembered his name.
(I need to stop typing in the dark with out my glasses)
Yes both sides are EVIL and so many other countries were involved to help Americans. It sucked. Civil War in ANY country is far worse. At least Saddam is DEAD. That's the real reason. That Frucker is worse than Dick Chaney. Do you deny?
But I think saddam was played by men like Cheney and Rumsfeld throughout his entire rule. And I think a guy like Cheney has cause a lot more indirect destruction than we'll ever know, in his part as superpower politician, think-tank lobbyist, and oil baron.....so if we're makin it a popularity contest.....0 -
Also, i'm not sure what you mean...but Saddam wasn't the real reason for anything..STAYSEA wrote:Yes both sides are EVIL and so many other countries were involved to help Americans. It sucked. Civil War in ANY country is far worse. At least Saddam is DEAD. That's the real reason. That Frucker is worse than Dick Chaney. Do you deny?0 -
Not to belittle the horrors experienced by the occupying forces in Iraq...but they are/were occupying forces. They shouldn't have been there in the first place. Their families are not being bombed...and if they're lucky, they get to come home and not be forced to live off forever radioactive land, and drink toxic water. On an individual basis, maybe the horrors are equal. But the psyche, the infrastructure, the economy, and the environmental health of a nation have been destroyed by US interests, over the past 20 years in particular. In the big picture, you cannot compare sides in this.[/quote]
Russians treat each other was worse and they live in the same country?
(no offense Russia, but y'all are crazy)
Terrorists bombed an orphanage ? What sense is that?0 -
way worse than what? than how americans have treated iraqis? should we start googling US war crimes? using Russia as your metric for human rights seems to be lowering the bar....not exactly the chest-thumping nationalism we've come to expect from the stars n barsSTAYSEA wrote:
Russians treat each other was worse and they live in the same country?
(no offense Russia, but y'all are crazy)
Terrorists bombed an orphanage ? What sense is that? 0 -
Saddam was the REAL reason. everything else was distractions.
Please take a moment and think. How badly did the U.S. try to make peace. How long? How many Bush's. Clinton tried.
I always say the same thing. " OH wow, a dictator was killed, I'm so surprised."
I really don't know Iraq, I know Saudi stuff more. No one will touch that. 0 -
Drowned Out wrote:
way worse than what? than how americans have treated iraqis? should we start googling US war crimes? using Russia as your metric for human rights seems to be lowering the bar....not exactly the chest-thumping nationalism we've come to expect from the stars n barsSTAYSEA wrote:
Russians treat each other was worse and they live in the same country?
(no offense Russia, but y'all are crazy)
Terrorists bombed an orphanage ? What sense is that?
Please do google. But be honest and unbiased ! I will read.0 -
Saddam was a US ally for many years. And peace in iraq has never been a US priority.STAYSEA wrote:Saddam was the REAL reason. everything else was distractions.
Please take a moment and think. How badly did the U.S. try to make peace. How long? How many Bush's. Clinton tried.
I always say the same thing. " OH wow, a dictator was killed, I'm so surprised."
I really don't know Iraq, I know Saudi stuff more. No one will touch that.0 -
Drowned Out wrote:
Saddam was a US ally for many years. And peace in iraq has never been a US priority.STAYSEA wrote:Saddam was the REAL reason. everything else was distractions.
Please take a moment and think. How badly did the U.S. try to make peace. How long? How many Bush's. Clinton tried.
I always say the same thing. " OH wow, a dictator was killed, I'm so surprised."
I really don't know Iraq, I know Saudi stuff more. No one will touch that.
UMMMM....
He WAS a family friend of the Bush family until shet got weird. Please let it go?0 -
It could be argued that every death caused by sanctions against, and the occupation of iraq, is a war crime. There are entire novels dedicated to the topic of US war crimes by both military and private 'security contractors', in this ONE country alone.STAYSEA wrote:
Please do google. But be honest and unbiased ! I will read.
There isn't much to be honest and unbiased about. Many are well documented and/or admitted to. I think if you kept an open mind, you would probably find a lot of US/western blame for crimes and massacres attributed to 'insurgents' or 'police' as well.Post edited by Drowned Out on0 -
okSTAYSEA wrote:
UMMMM....
He WAS a family friend of the Bush family until shet got weird. Please let it go?
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