Rand Paul won't Shut Up

pj1981

Wow kind of cute President

JimmyV

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

And now he's saying he's considering tuning for president.

Which is why he needed a big publicity stunt.

Couldn't agree more.

JimmyV

Can one of Rand's many fans confirm when they receive the first fund raising appeal from him referencing this "performance"? My bet is that emails have probably already gone out. Not that there is anything wrong with that. This is what politicians do. But lets just remember that Rand is a politician, and this was a performance with a goal.

unsung

It also forced the White House to issue a statement. All of you that accuse the GOP of playing politics are doing exactly that in this thread. He won a huge battle this week. I can't wait to work for him and to vote for him.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... yesterday/

mikepegg44

unsung wrote:

It also forced the White House to issue a statement. All of you that accuse the GOP of playing politics are doing exactly that in this thread. He won a huge battle this week. I can't wait to work for him and to vote for him.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... yesterday/

Van Jones, From the link Unsung posted for those that won't click on it

“Rand Paul was a hero yesterday,” Mr. Jones said in a CNN appearance this morning. “And what I’ve been hearing is a lot of shame from liberals and progressives who felt like, ‘Geeze we should be the ones up there sticking up for civil liberties and we should be the ones asking those tough questions. I think this is a very important watershed moment.”
“What Rand Paul did yesterday was he used the filibuster the way it’s supposed to be used,” he continued. “… I think it’s wrong to call it a stunt … This was not a stunt, this was democracy.”

Jason P

If you keep everything that happened exactly the same and under the same existing circumstances ... except every politician had the (D) or (R) before their name reversed ... it would be interesting to see everyones point of view and if it changed or not.

JimmyV

unsung wrote:

It also forced the White House to issue a statement. All of you that accuse the GOP of playing politics are doing exactly that in this thread. He won a huge battle this week. I can't wait to work for him and to vote for him.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... yesterday/

I wouldn't say all but there are certainly some politics being played, yes.

hedonist

Jason P wrote:

If you keep everything that happened exactly the same and under the same existing circumstances ... except every politician had the (D) or (R) before their name reversed ... it would be interesting to see everyones point of view and if it changed or not.

Here here.

I found myself doing this a few years ago and forced myself to stop - to listen without partisan ears.

Kind of eye-opening...liberating...amusing, even!

Common sense and accountability, among other things, are what guide me. Not a fucking party.

JimmyV

Jason P wrote:

If you keep everything that happened exactly the same and under the same existing circumstances ... except every politician had the (D) or (R) before their name reversed ... it would be interesting to see everyones point of view and if it changed or not.

It would be quite interesting. Some may very well change. Mine would not be one of them, though. For me this isn't about (D) and (R), it is about Rand Paul. This is a guy who gave his own response to the state of the union a few weeks ago. No one will ever convince me that this, much like that, was not a brand-building stunt.

If Scott Brown were still in the Senate and done this exact same thing my opinion would be quite different.

JimmyV

David Frum on the #randstand, via Twitter:

"I feel so much freer now that Rand Paul has got administration to forswear a totally fictional plan to kill Americans with drones."

"But I won't feel totally free until Rand Paul has got the administration to rule out FEMA concentration camps."

Jason P

JimmyV wrote:

David Frum on the #randstand, via Twitter:

"I feel so much freer now that Rand Paul has got administration to forswear a totally fictional plan to kill Americans with drones."

"But I won't feel totally free until Rand Paul has got the administration to rule out FEMA concentration camps."

White House memos are considered fiction now?

I'd believe it.

:P

Prince Of Dorkness

"Geeze we should be the ones up there sticking up for civil liberties and we should be the ones asking those tough questions. I think this is a very important watershed moment.”

OK... sure.

Except he wasn't sticking up for a REAL civil liberties issue because those don't generally affect his white, upper-middle class and paranoid lunatic base.

He invented a totally bat-shit crazy civil liberty violation that would - if it was real -affect the gun nuts, tea tards and paranoid, anti-government lunatics who think that Barrack Obama is out to get them.

He didn't solve a civil liberties issue... he forced the administration to even acknowledge his batshit conspiracy theory, thus further feeding the paranoia of the people who think FEMA is building concentration camps and building a black army to exterminate the white race.

mikepegg44

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

"Geeze we should be the ones up there sticking up for civil liberties and we should be the ones asking those tough questions. I think this is a very important watershed moment.”

OK... sure.

Except he wasn't sticking up for a REAL civil liberties issue because those don't generally affect his white, upper-middle class and paranoid lunatic base.

He invented a totally bat-shit crazy civil liberty violation that would - if it was real -affect the gun nuts, tea tards and paranoid, anti-government lunatics who think that Barrack Obama is out to get them.

He didn't solve a civil liberties issue... he forced the administration to even acknowledge his batshit conspiracy theory, thus further feeding the paranoia of the people who think FEMA is building concentration camps and building a black army to exterminate the white race.

They really killed an American citizen and his family members with a drone strike. we are just supposed to believe that he was intimately involved with crimes against the state? In what way is it ok to do this without at least Judicial review?

That quote is from Van Jones, do you think he was looking for a reason to support Rand Paul?

I am not a conspiracy theorist, I am not a "tea tard", anti-gov't lunatic in any way. I do not believe that there is a black army being amassed to kill me and the rest of the whities. You put us in these boxes so we are easy to disregard as crazy. I am far from crazy. Actually very intelligent.

Parameters need to be set in the use of Drones militarily and otherwise. Is it hypothetical? yes. After they used a drone to kill an American citizen, it became a valid question about procedures and how far they can take it and should have been asked and answered already.

You don't think the possibility of the 5th amendment being violated is a real civil liberty situation? what is in your mind?

Prince Of Dorkness

mikepegg44 wrote:

They really killed an American citizen and his family members with a drone strike.

On American soil?

OK, unless I'm REALLY not paying attention... I don't think that happened.

mikepegg44

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

They really killed an American citizen and his family members with a drone strike.

On American soil?

OK, unless I'm REALLY not paying attention... I don't think that happened.

no not on american soil. that is why the question was asked. For CLARIFICATION on the policy of using drones in targeted killings. People are being killed in non-combat situations, i.e. actively doing harm... So they asked the question.

VINNY GOOMBA

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

They really killed an American citizen and his family members with a drone strike.

On American soil?

OK, unless I'm REALLY not paying attention... I don't think that happened.

It did not happen on American soil.

Every administration expands its power greater than the one before it. If the economy remains stagnant and the Republicans don't completely implode in the next 4 years, is it not conceivable that the country could elect a hawkish Republican president, who would be willing to assassinate American citizens?

josevolution

But how could they go and arrest these individuals with out putting american troops in harms way it's almost impossible no ?

mikepegg44

josevolution wrote:

But how could they go and arrest these individuals with out putting american troops in harms way it's almost impossible no ?

how do they arrest violent drug criminals? they put cops in harms way

it is the nature of the job.

If someone is killed in the process of arrest that is COMPLETELY different than sending a missile from on high when they were leaving the piggly wiggly

Jason P

mikepegg44 wrote:

josevolution wrote:

But how could they go and arrest these individuals with out putting american troops in harms way it's almost impossible no ?

how do they arrest violent drug criminals? they put cops in harms way

it is the nature of the job.

If someone is killed in the process of arrest that is COMPLETELY different than sending a missile from on high when they were leaving the piggly wiggly

Arresting someone in Miami isn't quite as dangerous as arresting someone in enemy controlled territory of country that doesn't have a functional government.

In fact, it's not even comparable.

Prince Of Dorkness

I'm in no way defending the drone program.

The whole point of it is to kill as many foreign combatants and "fuck anyone within bomb distnace" while still staying out of the US news so the people are woefully unaware of the fact that we're at war.

The fact that we're at war and few people even take notice is stunning. That it's been going on for 12 years (when we were told it would be maybe 6 months by Donald Rumsfeld) is stunning.

But the drone program is a major part of that. Conservatives in America are shrieking about "spending and government waste" and few of them mention the trillions of dollars we've poured into the military and defense that doesn't need to be spent. Why do we still have enough nukes to literally blow up the entire world about 10 times? Is that even necessary? Is there even a threat to us that we'd NEED stuff like that?