Is there a GOD?

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,795
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    81 wrote:
    head of HR called me a god today.

    i'm not making that up

    Was he/she drunk? :lol:
    No, the baby was able to explain pivot tables.
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  • 81
    81 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    mickeyrat wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    81 wrote:
    head of HR called me a god today.

    i'm not making that up

    Was he/she drunk? :lol:
    No, the baby was able to explain pivot tables.

    yeah, i said don't use them. :lol:
    81 is now off the air

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux wrote:
    Do we all agree that there is no proof of a God or gods? If so, are we attempting to answer a question for which there is no absolute answer?

    And not to get off topic too much but, is it possible to neither believe in nor disbelieve in God and not be an agnostic? I hope that is possible.
    I think at this point in my life, when it comes to god, I am agnostic - definition per Merriam:

    "a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god"

    (not that the label is necessary ;) )

    Belief to me isn't tantamount to knowledge...it may be a firmly-held, life-directing belief one has and believes to be true (and it may be, for them), but that doesn't make it universal truth.

    In other words, whatever gets you to the light, it's alright.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    hedonist wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Do we all agree that there is no proof of a God or gods? If so, are we attempting to answer a question for which there is no absolute answer?

    And not to get off topic too much but, is it possible to neither believe in nor disbelieve in God and not be an agnostic? I hope that is possible.
    I think at this point in my life, when it comes to god, I am agnostic - definition per Merriam:

    "a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god"

    (not that the label is necessary ;) )

    Belief to me isn't tantamount to knowledge...it may be a firmly-held, life-directing belief one has and believes to be true (and it may be, for them), but that doesn't make it universal truth.

    In other words, whatever gets you to the light, it's alright.

    " whatever gets you to the light, it's alright"-- Cool. I like that. :)

    Looking at the first part of the definition, I suppose one could say I have agnostic tendencies although I think of God as "unprovable" as opposed to "unknowable" (who's to say what another knows or doesn't?). But looking at the second ("broadly:") part of the definition, I'm not so sure that fits. I am committed to the idea that there is something that moves in big ways we don't understand. As with many of us, I've experienced things I can't understand through purely empirical means. Does that mean these things happen by way of God or a "higher power" or do they happen by scientific means we don't understand? For example, our thoughts are electrical impulses. Can these impulses have effects we do not yet understand now but that science may some day explain?

    The way I feel now, I don't really want to know the answer to those questions. That would take away the mystery of it all and there is something very appealing to me about mystery- like the fact that people can sometimes do things beyond their normal capabilities. For example- I have created songs in my dreams that I can't imagine creating- my few attempts at writing songs while awake are very unimpressive. Or when people dream about things before they happen. Things like that are mysterious. I like that.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Brian - does proof = knowledge? Agnostos = unknown (at the time, with our capabilities?), incapable of being known (ie cannot prove?).

    Agnostic also has another definition: "a person who holds neither of two opposing positions on a topic".

    Being agnostic (ie recognising one does not have the knowledge) does not exclude belief in a 'force'. It just accepts that it is not 'knowledge' but 'belief'. Unlike theists will assert their 'knowledge' of a deity (or more than one) - ie. belief = knowledge.

    (Am I making sense?)

    And... have you heard of agnostic theism???

    All these labels - enough to make your mind boggle. Buy why bother with labels? Ah yes.... keeps things in order so we all know where everyone and everything stands in life!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    redrock wrote:
    Brian - does proof = knowledge? Agnostos = unknown (at the time, with our capabilities?), incapable of being known (ie cannot prove?).

    Agnostic also has another definition: "a person who holds neither of two opposing positions on a topic".

    Being agnostic (ie recognising one does not have the knowledge) does not exclude belief in a 'force'. It just accepts that it is not 'knowledge' but 'belief'. Unlike theists will assert their 'knowledge' of a deity (or more than one) - ie. belief = knowledge.

    (Am I making sense?)

    And... have you heard of agnostic theism???

    All these labels - enough to make your mind boggle. Buy why bother with labels? Ah yes.... keeps things in order so we all know where everyone and everything stIands in life!

    Redrock, my head is spinning! :lol:

    But I think you hit the nail on the head with "But why bother with labels?" If I had to fill out a questionnaire that included "Religious affiliation" I would have to answer: none of the above.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,765
    No.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,795
    brianlux wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    Do we all agree that there is no proof of a God or gods? If so, are we attempting to answer a question for which there is no absolute answer?

    And not to get off topic too much but, is it possible to neither believe in nor disbelieve in God and not be an agnostic? I hope that is possible.
    I think at this point in my life, when it comes to god, I am agnostic - definition per Merriam:

    "a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god"

    (not that the label is necessary ;) )

    Belief to me isn't tantamount to knowledge...it may be a firmly-held, life-directing belief one has and believes to be true (and it may be, for them), but that doesn't make it universal truth.

    In other words, whatever gets you to the light, it's alright.

    " whatever gets you to the light, it's alright"-- Cool. I like that. :)

    Looking at the first part of the definition, I suppose one could say I have agnostic tendencies although I think of God as "unprovable" as opposed to "unknowable" (who's to say what another knows or doesn't?). But looking at the second ("broadly:") part of the definition, I'm not so sure that fits. I am committed to the idea that there is something that moves in big ways we don't understand. As with many of us, I've experienced things I can't understand through purely empirical means. Does that mean these things happen by way of God or a "higher power" or do they happen by scientific means we don't understand? For example, our thoughts are electrical impulses. Can these impulses have effects we do not yet understand now but that science may some day explain?

    The way I feel now, I don't really want to know the answer to those questions. That would take away the mystery of it all and there is something very appealing to me about mystery- like the fact that people can sometimes do things beyond their normal capabilities. For example- I have created songs in my dreams that I can't imagine creating- my few attempts at writing songs while awake are very unimpressive. Or when people dream about things before they happen. Things like that are mysterious. I like that.
    these things are also a good exercise in humility. nothing wrong with that.
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    brianlux wrote:

    Redrock, my head is spinning! :lol:

    I tell you, these 'thought dumps' of mine send my own head spinning! :mrgreen:
  • guypjfreak
    guypjfreak Posts: 2,281
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    No.
    ha ha just about to say the same old son

    not a chance load of bo..ocks imo BUT if it brings you happiness ,peace,and enjoyment then good luck to you as long as you dont push it on others . :D
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    If there is a God... i'm pretty sure He likes compassionate Atheists more than apathetic or indifferent religious folk. Sort of like I hope He cares more about loving Gay people than the people who use His name to justify their hatred.
  • fear4freedom
    fear4freedom Posts: 920
    Takes more faith to believe in nothing than something! Universe is big and intelligent design seems to be best theory!
    Theres no time like the present

    A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!

    All people need to do more on every level!
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Takes more faith to believe in nothing than something! Universe is big and intelligent design seems to be best theory!

    This is one way to put it.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    "If God lives inside of us, like they say, I sure hope God likes burritos, cause that's what he's getting."
    -- Jack Handy
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • whgarrett
    whgarrett Posts: 574
    ...cause deep down inside....god loves burritos.
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Takes more faith to believe in nothing than something! Universe is big and intelligent design seems to be best theory!

    This is one way to put it.

    If by best you mean the wrong one then BINGO it's the best the best the best the best the best the best the best!
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    If there was a God we would not be loosing an hour of sleep next weekend! :x

    :lol:
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux wrote:
    If there was a God we would not be loosing an hour of sleep next weekend! :x

    :lol:
    Amen! Can we do away with this already?

    (I've actually arranged to take off the Monday after since that lost hour has come to fuck me all-around, and not in my preferred way :mrgreen: )
  • pj1981
    pj1981 Posts: 288
    I love the time change but I thrive on change, I know some don't.
    I mean, it's only sleep, especially in the vibrant springtime!
    I like both changes, late sun in the spring, welcomed light evenings,
    early darkness in the fall gain an hour as we start hibernation time.

    Manmade but making God's world a little better at least for me.
  • pj1981
    pj1981 Posts: 288
    fear4freedom wrote:
    Takes more faith to believe in nothing than something! Universe is big and intelligent design seems to be best theory!
    The Universe is growing! Wow and infinite Wow...
    if that doesn't help someone to believe in Intelligent Design nothing will.
    It's all in the Light and Time :)

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