this is a generalization...but south florida doesnt have good fans

rxtasy

I was there and frankly I was very disappointed with the crowd. I was about 15-20 rows back center and it just seemed like no one was participating. Clap when you are supposed to clap...sing when you should sing...it is so awesome when everyone participates. It just seems like most ppl there like to pretend they are to cool to be involved. I'm sure Tampa was way better...many more genuine folks there.

My theory on why PJ played there? Simply because it was the first show and if you haven't played for a crowd in a year or so any crowd seems great. Imagine if they played wpb at the end of the tour like they used to. It would be such a bummer for them.

I'm glad I'm going to MSG I and II.

Again, no offense to everyone in South Florida. It is a generalization. I used to live in South Florida and boy have things changed there in 10 years.

UpSideDown

rxtasy wrote:

I was there and frankly I was very disappointed with the crowd. I was about 15-20 rows back center and it just seemed like no one was participating. Clap when you are supposed to clap...sing when you should sing...it is so awesome when everyone participates. It just seems like most ppl there like to pretend they are to cool to be involved. I'm sure Tampa was way better...many more genuine folks there.

My theory on why PJ played there? Simply because it was the first show and if you haven't played for a crowd in a year or so any crowd seems great. Imagine if they played wpb at the end of the tour like they used to. It would be such a bummer for them.

I'm glad I'm going to MSG I and II.

Again, no offense to everyone in South Florida. It is a generalization. I used to live in South Florida and boy have things changed there in 10 years.

I was pretty happy with the energy in Tampa...........the crowd was moving well and decently loud.

Pearl Juli

I was there, it was my first PJ show, I jumped around, danced, clapped and sang along the whole freaking show.

I'm kind of tired of people from here (the U.S. of A) ragging on each other and other states' crowds.

You know what? I'll tell you something: the crowds in general here in the U.S. are very very calm and for most people's standards even "boring" compared to pretty much the rest of the world. Should Pearl Jam stop playing the U.S. and just play in Europe and South America the rest of their freaking lives? Hell no.
My Peruvian friend at the lawn was extremely disappointed because nobody seemed to be singing to EVERYTHING, nor pogoing, nor going CRAZZZYYYYY during the show. I, and Argentina native, was kind of bummed beforehand because I knew there was not going to be a massive guitar part sing-a-long, nor massive sing-a-long to every freaking song, nor spontaneous "Ole ole ole Pearl Jam...Pearl Jam..." nor the energy of a Buenos Aires show, and not just in Florida, I wasn't and I'm not going to find it in ANY U.S. show. Not even MSG. Not even close.

and? I still had a great time, had a great experience and the band was freaking amazing.

What I mean is, and maybe I'll get punched for this, haha, that I find it ridiculous when people here "compete" and rag on each other about crowd participation here in the states when pretty much all U.S. shows are...a bit lacking in that aspect compared to say Europe and South America.

So, a European or South American could come on here after every freaking U.S. show and post a thread about how lame U.S. crowds are...but you don't see that happening, do ya? So, why can't people from different states just let it be instead of singling out? Because trust me, it's not like their crowd is going to be THAT much better...


Ok, now I'm officially going to be punched AND kicked for this

sarah ve

I love florida crowds they are a friggin party!!

mattcozea

Pearl_Juli wrote:

I was there, it was my first PJ show, I jumped around, danced, clapped and sang along the whole freaking show.

I'm kind of tired of people from here (the U.S. of A) ragging on each other and other states' crowds.

You know what? I'll tell you something: the crowds in general here in the U.S. are very very calm and for most people's standards even "boring" compared to pretty much the rest of the world. Should Pearl Jam stop playing the U.S. and just play in Europe and South America the rest of their freaking lives? Hell no.
My Peruvian friend at the lawn was extremely disappointed because nobody seemed to be singing to EVERYTHING, nor pogoing, nor going CRAZZZYYYYY during the show. I, and Argentina native, was kind of bummed beforehand because I knew there was not going to be a massive guitar part sing-a-long, nor massive sing-a-long to every freaking song, nor spontaneous "Ole ole ole Pearl Jam...Pearl Jam..." nor the energy of a Buenos Aires show, and not just in Florida, I wasn't and I'm not going to find it in ANY U.S. show. Not even MSG. Not even close.

and? I still had a great time, had a great experience and the band was freaking amazing.

What I mean is, and maybe I'll get punched for this, haha, that I find it ridiculous when people here "compete" and rag on each other about crowd participation here in the states when pretty much all U.S. shows are...a bit lacking in that aspect compared to say Europe and South America.

So, a European or South American could come on here after every freaking U.S. show and post a thread about how lame U.S. crowds are...but you don't see that happening, do ya? So, why can't people from different states just let it be instead of singling out? Because trust me, it's not like their crowd is going to be THAT much better...


Ok, now I'm officially going to be punched AND kicked for this

Hell, I agree for the most part, I saw the White Stripes once and people behind me were telling me to sit down! It's a @#$%ing concert! I've never had that kind of experience at a Pearl Jam show though, the crowds are always crazy and singing to everything. No "ole ole ole...", and no guitar sing-a-long, but different doesn't mean worse. Maybe it's just the awesome Chicago crowds. :cool:

UpSideDown

Pearl_Juli wrote:

I was there, it was my first PJ show, I jumped around, danced, clapped and sang along the whole freaking show.

I'm kind of tired of people from here (the U.S. of A) ragging on each other and other states' crowds.

You know what? I'll tell you something: the crowds in general here in the U.S. are very very calm and for most people's standards even "boring" compared to pretty much the rest of the world. Should Pearl Jam stop playing the U.S. and just play in Europe and South America the rest of their freaking lives? Hell no.
My Peruvian friend at the lawn was extremely disappointed because nobody seemed to be singing to EVERYTHING, nor pogoing, nor going CRAZZZYYYYY during the show. I, and Argentina native, was kind of bummed beforehand because I knew there was not going to be a massive guitar part sing-a-long, nor massive sing-a-long to every freaking song, nor spontaneous "Ole ole ole Pearl Jam...Pearl Jam..." nor the energy of a Buenos Aires show, and not just in Florida, I wasn't and I'm not going to find it in ANY U.S. show. Not even MSG. Not even close.

and? I still had a great time, had a great experience and the band was freaking amazing.

What I mean is, and maybe I'll get punched for this, haha, that I find it ridiculous when people here "compete" and rag on each other about crowd participation here in the states when pretty much all U.S. shows are...a bit lacking in that aspect compared to say Europe and South America.

So, a European or South American could come on here after every freaking U.S. show and post a thread about how lame U.S. crowds are...but you don't see that happening, do ya? So, why can't people from different states just let it be instead of singling out? Because trust me, it's not like their crowd is going to be THAT much better...


Ok, now I'm officially going to be punched AND kicked for this

I agree completely.........

Im from Pennsylvania, but I still jump around and sing every song. I sometimes wish other people wouldn't be so reserved.......

The crowds over in other parts of the world seem so much more animated at times...

rxtasy

PearlJuli "I was there, it was my first PJ show"

do i need to say anymore? it pretty much explains my entire response to your reply. btw, congrats on making it to your first show.

it is not a state to state "generalization"...I said SOUTH Florida...there is a begin difference...that place is practically a different country in itself.

ScottZeagle

Scheduling an outdoor Florida show in the summer is just a bad idea...

I have been to every Florida show you have on your "attended list" (the original poster) as well as a handful prior to those - and this WPB show was probably the worst Florida show of them all.

Not that it was bad, it was just ok, in my opinion.

I'm glad they continue to come, but maybe WPB isn't the best choice for a sumer venue.

Mrs.Vedder78

ScottZeagle wrote:

Scheduling an outdoor Florida show in the summer is just a bad idea...

I have been to every Florida show you have on your "attended list" (the original poster) as well as a handful prior to those - and this WPB show was probably the worst Florida show of them all.

Not that it was bad, it was just ok, in my opinion.

I'm glad they continue to come, but maybe WPB isn't the best choice for a sumer venue.

I think setlist wise the show was absolutely great!
crowd wise it was the worst show I have attended in WPB by far...

Pearl Juli

rxtasy wrote:

PearlJuli "I was there, it was my first PJ show"

do i need to say anymore? it pretty much explains my entire response to your reply. btw, congrats on making it to your first show.

it is not a state to state "generalization"...I said SOUTH Florida...there is a begin difference...that place is practically a different country in itself.

Thanks.
But dude, I would behave the same way was it my 1st or 100th PJ show, if that's your point.

lol. I'm sorry, but I really don't care whether you or anyone said South Florida, North Florida, Central Florida, Kentucky or Michigan. Trust me, it's not as if the other states' crowds are going to be THAT much better or amazing. MSG is most likely running to be the one with the best crowd participation because guess what? A LOT of Pearl Jam fans and 10C members from all over the country will make the trip there and feed the atmosphere (who wouldn't? MSG is a historic and epic venue). But still, it's not mind-blowing and one could even cite crowds from other places (countries) and even look down on "the MSG crowd" in comparison, but that's not done nor it should be.

Do you catch my drift?

I think this topic has been "discussed" before and talked about. Keep in mind the concentration of PJ fans and specially 10C members is different around the country, and that makes a difference.

So, I don't think that South Florida has "BAD fans," it just has a lower concentration of PJ fans and 10C members than other places. It's not our freaking fault and when someone says something like that, or a self-righteous "why bother?" "why play there?" etc. it just pisses me off a bit.

Capisce?

that's all. lol

mattcozea

Pearl_Juli wrote:

Trust me, it's not as if the other states' crowds are going to be THAT much better or amazing.

But you don't know that, since this is the only one you've seen.

Pearl Juli

mattcoz wrote:

But you don't know that, since this is the only one you've seen.

Patronizing much? I've heard and seen boots of a lot of different states' crowds. And heck yes there are some better than others! that's not what I meant.

What I was saying was that, for example, for me (and a lot of different people from different places around the world) being used to say...Buenos Aires crowds, any U.S. show is like a "crappy South Florida" show in comparison, yet you don't see people coming on here from Europe and South America making threads about it and asking why does Pearl Jam even bother to tour the U.S. (and God doesn't that sound ridiculous! lol).

Know what I mean?

and I'm not saying Florida crowds are fantastically amazing or anything, lol, they are surely worst than others and perhaps maybe better than some? or one? haha. But I just don't get some people's reaction when some other crowds are not THAT dramatically better. They are better, but it's not like, insaaaaaane.

I don't know. I have waited forever for them to come back to Florida so I could finally see them live, and someone telling me or just saying I don't deserve to see them because I happen to live in South Florida, well, it just doesn't roll with me. Just like perhaps someone from Boston wouldn't like a New Yorker telling them PJ should play 5 shows at MSG instead of playing Boston, or viceversa you know?

ScottZeagle

Mrs_Vedder78 wrote:

I think setlist wise the show was absolutely great!
crowd wise it was the worst show I have attended in WPB by far...

I agree that the setlist was cool!!!

mattcozea

Pearl_Juli wrote:

I don't know. I have waited forever for them to come back to Florida so I could finally see them live, and someone telling me or just saying I don't deserve to see them because I happen to live in South Florida, well, it just doesn't roll with me. Just like perhaps someone from Boston wouldn't like a New Yorker telling them PJ should play 5 shows at MSG instead of playing Boston, or viceversa you know?

Well I have never and would never say anything like that. Just from my experience, every show I've been to the crowd has been amazing, and I've usually lost my voice by the third song.

SBC03

rxtasy wrote:

that place is practically a different country in itself.

cause New York, Chicago and LA are not?

I am wondering, as far as the concert is concerned, how many 10c members were from out of state? All these low #s (1-300xxx) sittin in sections 1,2,3 just standin around.
Everyone reacts differently.

The dude sittin next to me had his hands in his pockets most of the show, guess he was tired from all the driving and what lays ahead cause he is goin to 13 shows.

I hadnt seen PJ in 5 yrs and I acted like it. Whish I would have hit the lotto

WindNoSail

rxtasy wrote:

I was there and frankly I was very disappointed with the crowd. I was about 15-20 rows back center and it just seemed like no one was participating. Clap when you are supposed to clap...sing when you should sing...it is so awesome when everyone participates. It just seems like most ppl there like to pretend they are to cool to be involved. I'm sure Tampa was way better...many more genuine folks there.

My theory on why PJ played there? Simply because it was the first show and if you haven't played for a crowd in a year or so any crowd seems great. Imagine if they played wpb at the end of the tour like they used to. It would be such a bummer for them.

I'm glad I'm going to MSG I and II.

Again, no offense to everyone in South Florida. It is a generalization. I used to live in South Florida and boy have things changed there in 10 years.

Buzz, wrong answer. I have been to Chicago, NJ, Seatle, and HOB (a good cross section of the country in the past few years) and Florida was as good as I have seen...you weren't even there anyway. Your signatures says so.

Go back to your internet porn.

PS I looked around at WPB show and I saw the crowd was into it but I didn't take a poll to see if they were clapping and singing on cue. I could be wrong as i was in a 10c spot, therefore everyone was into it. Anyway, it doesn't matter....does it?

NOCODE#1

Corey Erven wrote:

I was pretty happy with the energy in Tampa...........the crowd was moving well and decently loud.

yea tampa crowd as good as any msg crowd. coming from a guy whos been to every msg show ever and just went to the tampa show.

nukeboot

NOCODE#1 wrote:

yea tampa crowd as good as any msg crowd. coming from a guy whos been to every msg show ever and just went to the tampa show.

I was very proud of the Tampa crowd. And I think the band was honestly impressed.

Have to agree on outdoor shows in Summer here though. I amost died at a HORDE show in WPB back in the day it was so friggin' hot. It's hard to bring the energy when you're sweating your bizalls off.

TremorChrist77

I have to wholeheartedly disagree with the poster of this thread, I thought the crowd in Tampa was excellent on Thursday night, even better than the last time Pearl Jam came to play that arena.

I think nukeboot is right when he says that the band was impressed by the crowd because Eddie kept complementing them throughout the night, and after Yellow Ledbetter was over, all the guys gathered in center stage and bowed to the crowd. I don't remember the band doing that in the 03 show so they must have thought the crowd was pretty awesome.

ScottZeagle

NOCODE#1 wrote:

yea tampa crowd as good as any msg crowd. coming from a guy whos been to every msg show ever and just went to the tampa show.

I have never had a "signature" on this board, but I think that I just found one...

Nicely said, and appreciated!!

iwasthere

The setlist in WPB made up for the somewhat soft crowd. Slightly more energy in Tampa. It's hard to get a generic amphitheatre rocking.

More than anything.... Now that I'm almost 30. I find myself jumping less then I did when I went to my first show when I was almost 20.

rocking horse

SBC03 wrote:

I am wondering, as far as the concert is concerned, how many 10c members were from out of state? All these low #s (1-300xxx) sittin in sections 1,2,3 just standin around.
Everyone reacts differently.

Since I was front and center - I made a point of looking back at the crowd from time to time, and the general view was that everyone was rocking out and had their hands in the air.

There are always the uptight people who can't let loose and its annoying. I had some near me in the front row for God's sakes. I am sure they thought I was a lunatic. But what can you do. I am sure they were true fans - they had memberships - you don't do that becuase you casually like a band.

The crowd in Tampa seemed much more into it, but it was inside and louder, and I was 15 rows back this time. Its such a different experience to be inside -vs- out. And for those of you who have had the experience - the general admission shows were totally different too.

I have a question for the other attendees of WPB 08. Was there a major sing along for Better Man? For some reason it was hard to tell from my perspective. I know everyone around me was singin, but I honestly was in another world at that point.

lateralus963

rxtasy, I completely agree with you. I use to live in South Florida and I went to alot of shows-never saw Pearl Jam however-but when I moved up to the Northeast my mind was blown by the energy! It is crazy up here. This summer we were going to fly down there and see the WPB and Tampa show and visit family at the same time. However, we decided against it because the last show we flew down for-Tool, last summer-was super disappointing. So we are doing both Camdens, D.C., and both MSG's.

And, Pearl Juli... I dont doubt that around the world fans are crazier but there really is a huge difference between shows in South Florida and the Northeast. Go see Pearl Jam in MSG or Camden or Boston and you will see what everyone is talking about and why everyone is talking. I mean there is a reason Pearl Jam does back to back shows in these locations.

Ewank

Pearl_Juli wrote:

I was there, it was my first PJ show, I jumped around, danced, clapped and sang along the whole freaking show.

I'm kind of tired of people from here (the U.S. of A) ragging on each other and other states' crowds.

You know what? I'll tell you something: the crowds in general here in the U.S. are very very calm and for most people's standards even "boring" compared to pretty much the rest of the world. Should Pearl Jam stop playing the U.S. and just play in Europe and South America the rest of their freaking lives? Hell no.
My Peruvian friend at the lawn was extremely disappointed because nobody seemed to be singing to EVERYTHING, nor pogoing, nor going CRAZZZYYYYY during the show. I, and Argentina native, was kind of bummed beforehand because I knew there was not going to be a massive guitar part sing-a-long, nor massive sing-a-long to every freaking song, nor spontaneous "Ole ole ole Pearl Jam...Pearl Jam..." nor the energy of a Buenos Aires show, and not just in Florida, I wasn't and I'm not going to find it in ANY U.S. show. Not even MSG. Not even close.

and? I still had a great time, had a great experience and the band was freaking amazing.

What I mean is, and maybe I'll get punched for this, haha, that I find it ridiculous when people here "compete" and rag on each other about crowd participation here in the states when pretty much all U.S. shows are...a bit lacking in that aspect compared to say Europe and South America.

So, a European or South American could come on here after every freaking U.S. show and post a thread about how lame U.S. crowds are...but you don't see that happening, do ya? So, why can't people from different states just let it be instead of singling out? Because trust me, it's not like their crowd is going to be THAT much better...


Ok, now I'm officially going to be punched AND kicked for this

TOTALLY AGREE! Word by word. By my standards, US crowds are lame, because we south american are so freacking passionate and crazy about every band we see. But of course, If I go to a US show, I know what I´m gonna get, I know how fans are there and I don´t have a problem with it. It´s their way, I´m not gonna mess with them. I´m sure everyone is enjoying it their own way

rocking horse

I just moved back to South Florida 3 years ago after living in the Boston Area for 15 years. Its true - the Northeast is the place for music - as I suspect Seattle & San Fran are as well.

However, I won the lottery in WPB and had great seats in Tampa. In Boston, even with a 166XXX number, I get kicked to the curb. We'll see what happens at the end of the tour - but I'm not expecting good seats. Sure they'll be better than if I wasn't in the fan club (Although this post disturbs me: http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5540949&postcount=21 ) but having really good seats is a great experience I feel l ucky to have had as well as an exceptionally good crowd.

I know we are talking about WPB now, but did anyone see how stoked the band was after Tampa?!?! They took a bow arm in arm. I think I have only seen that 2-3 times in 16 shows.

Pearl Juli

rocking horse wrote:

I have a question for the other attendees of WPB 08. Was there a major sing along for Better Man? For some reason it was hard to tell from my perspective. I know everyone around me was singin, but I honestly was in another world at that point.

I was in Section 7 and I saw most people around me and to the sides of the amphitheater singing along to it. Or so it seemed.

Pearl Juli

lateralus963 wrote:

And, Pearl Juli... I dont doubt that around the world fans are crazier but there really is a huge difference between shows in South Florida and the Northeast. Go see Pearl Jam in MSG or Camden or Boston and you will see what everyone is talking about and why everyone is talking. I mean there is a reason Pearl Jam does back to back shows in these locations.

Oh yeah...I don't dispute it. MSG people made the stage bounce. Now THAT's my kind of people! ha. It's a fact that well, the "general crowd" around here seems to be into other stuff...or type of music. There seems to be a higher concentration of: 1) People who enjoy Pearl Jam-like rock music. 2) Pearl Jam fans 3) 10C members in the northeast. And people will travel there from other places, too. I know I would go to MSG if I could. It's an epic venue promising an epic show.

That said, and what I was trying to say in my previous posts, it's still a bit unfair and not cool to say a band should just stop playing shows in say...Florida, or why bother playing there. It's a bit offensive (lol, yeah, even though the original poster said "no offense" haha but oh well) to people like me who do care about the band, want to see them live, and unfortunately can't make it to other shows! (although I really hope to do so in the future).


That's all. It was just the accumulation of overall negativity I've seen around this place that got to me, and I guess the way the original post was phrased, seemingly negative as well, was sort of the last straw for me

rocking horse

Pearl_Juli wrote:

I was in Section 7 and I saw most people around me and to the sides of the amphitheater singing along to it. Or so it seemed.

I guess my question should have asked if the whole place was singing so loudly that Eddie moved the mike away from his mouth in order to let the crowd sing. This happened at Tampa, and every other show I have been to in the last 2-3 tours, but for some weird reason I can't remeber WPB. Again -I think I was in shock from being so close to the band. I saw EV's grey Calvin Kleins. I have been daydreaming about whether they we tighty whitey style or the boxer briefs....but I digress.

Jen

Pearl Juli

rocking horse wrote:

I guess my question should have asked if the whole place was singing so loudly that Eddie moved the mike away from his mouth in order to let the crowd sing. This happened at Tampa, and every other show I have been to in the last 2-3 tours, but for some weird reason I can't remeber WPB. Again -I think I was in shock from being so close to the band. I saw EV's grey Calvin Kleins. I have been daydreaming about whether they we tighty whitey style or the boxer briefs....but I digress.

Jen

hahaha!


I could hear it from my section and the sections around me, but it wasn't overwhelmingly loud. I don't remember.

cluckbucket

Enough speculating. On June 26th when the bootlegs are available for everybody to hear we can then tell if the crowds were truly loud. I went to the Tampa show, it was a concert, everything seemed loud. I actually thought the sound quality was bad in Tampa. I couldn't hear anything from mike or stone. Jeff and Matt muffled everything else that is why I'm eagerly awaiting the mp3.

SBC03

too fucckin hot

wasnt vedder out of breath after the 6th song

maybe they should play in an arena instead

hey, i enjoyed the concert and for those who didnt like the energy dont come back. it gives me a chance to be closer