The Government is NOT going to TAKE PEOPLES GUNS!

aerial
aerial Posts: 2,319
edited March 2013 in A Moving Train
That is what I here on this site.....soooo
Adams has not been charged with any crimes
Yet they seized his property?

http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/crime/feds-seized-nearly-1500-guns-in-raid
“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,767
    as evidence in an as yet filed case
    This is kinda telling though, if true.


    The search warrant also said Adams was investigated in Canada for keeping about 80 illegal guns in a storage unit. U.S. agents worked with Canadian police on that case.

    it stands to reason if you break the law in one place, its possible you are breaking similar laws in another. As it clearly stated , its still an ongoing investigation, cataloged for return if deemed legal.
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    mickeyrat wrote:
    as evidence in an as yet filed case
    This is kinda telling though, if true.


    The search warrant also said Adams was investigated in Canada for keeping about 80 illegal guns in a storage unit. U.S. agents worked with Canadian police on that case.

    it stands to reason if you break the law in one place, its possible you are breaking similar laws in another. As it clearly stated , its still an ongoing investigation, cataloged for return if deemed legal.


    it states they have been watching him for years....I would think they would have a case by now
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Any gun ban where turning in guns to follow new laws will never be complied with. Where are they going to put 200M new felons?

    Are they building a bunch of new prisons?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Sounds like pretty good police work if you ask me. Proactive measures taken in light of what has been revealed to the media: there's likely much more.

    The guns were also not properly marked possibly to make the guns more valuable and to avoid paying high import taxes, investigators alleged.

    This tells us something doesn't it? I mean... who has 1500 guns? That's abusing the second ammendment just a little dontcha think? You should be ticked at this guy for damaging the image of the reputable mercenary outfitters... not defending him!
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung wrote:
    Any gun ban where turning in guns to follow new laws will never be complied with. Where are they going to put 200M new felons?

    Are they building a bunch of new prisons?

    If "from my cold, dead hands" is actually the attitude of the free and the brave... then gun legislation is most definitely needed and it can't come soon enough.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    "Bob Adams is one of the most reputable firearms collectors in the Southwest. His knowledge and collection is varied and wide ranging. He has a Relics and Curios FFL which allows him to buy and sell ANTIQUE weapons. Something stinks here. I've known the man 20 years or more. Almost ALL of the weapons confiscated(stolen by the feds) were collectible pieces. It's all he dealt in, rare and unique collectibles. To me, this looks like the BATF going after one of the last "home businesses" they can find.."
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    If "from my cold, dead hands" is actually the attitude of the free and the brave... then gun legislation is most definitely needed and it can't come soon enough.




    Ok, I'll ask again, this time a little slower.

    Where
    are
    you
    going
    to
    incarcerate
    200M
    gun
    owners
    when
    they
    refuse
    to
    comply?


    hmmm?
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    unsung wrote:
    Any gun ban where turning in guns to follow new laws will never be complied with. Where are they going to put 200M new felons?

    Are they building a bunch of new prisons?

    Um... were you this upset when they were going to start to arrest Latinos in Arizona for being visible in public while Latino?

    And of COURSE they're going to build more prisons. Why do you think there are so many new laws springing up with absurdly-long prison sentences attached? Like "stealing wireless internet signal" and "smoking a joint in your house?"

    It's because the for-profit prison businesses needs to show growth in Q4 next year or the stock-holders will be very upset.
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  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    unsung wrote:
    Where
    are
    you
    going
    to
    incarcerate
    200M
    gun
    owners
    when
    they
    refuse
    to
    comply?


    hmmm?

    WE
    will
    close
    down
    their
    tractor
    pull
    stadiums
    and
    house
    them
    there.
    I can't drive without Pearl Jam
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    If "from my cold, dead hands" is actually the attitude of the free and the brave... then gun legislation is most definitely needed and it can't come soon enough.




    Ok, I'll ask again, this time a little slower.

    Where
    are
    you
    going
    to
    incarcerate
    200M
    gun
    owners
    when
    they
    refuse
    to
    comply?


    hmmm?

    Build more prisons I guess?

    Might be a new industry instead of war. The construction of such places needs workers. Guards need jobs. Catering services. Etc.

    Come to think of it... it's not a bad idea. I mean, if you actually think that there are going to be armed zealots refusing to concede their weapons to participate in a law-abiding society... you should probably build some more prisons to house them until their attitude changes. You can't have fanatics dictating how the country should run... can you?

    Of course, it goes without saying that upon release... as a felon... they would not be eligible to own any gun at all. So... those fanatics might have to do some good, hard, thinking on the subject before they get all huffy. That can sometimes be tough ;) .
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Where
    are
    you
    going
    to
    incarcerate
    200M
    gun
    owners
    when
    they
    refuse
    to
    comply?


    hmmm?

    WE
    will
    close
    down
    their
    tractor
    pull
    stadiums
    and
    house
    them
    there.
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    If "from my cold, dead hands" is actually the attitude of the free and the brave... then gun legislation is most definitely needed and it can't come soon enough.




    Ok, I'll ask again, this time a little slower.

    Where
    are
    you
    going
    to
    incarcerate
    200M
    gun
    owners
    when
    they
    refuse
    to
    comply?


    hmmm?

    Build more prisons I guess?

    Might be a new industry instead of war. The construction of such places needs workers. Guards need jobs. Catering services. Etc.

    Come to think of it... it's not a bad idea. I mean, if you actually think that there are going to be armed zealots refusing to concede their weapons to participate in a law-abiding society... you should probably build some more prisons to house them until their attitude changes. You can't have fanatics dictating how the country should run... can you?

    Of course, it goes without saying that upon release... as a felon... they would not be eligible to own any gun at all. So... those fanatics might have to do some good, hard, thinking on the subject before they get all huffy. That can sometimes be tough ;) .

    Are you advocating putting US citizens in jail because they exercise there rights as Americans? If so you Scare Me....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    Or
    Since
    The
    Entire
    Customer
    Base
    Of
    Walmart
    Will
    Be
    In
    Jail,
    We
    Can
    Convert
    Those,
    Too.
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  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    aerial wrote:

    Are you advocating putting US citizens in jail because they exercise there rights as Americans? If so you Scare Me....

    You mean like the Hispanic American citizens who are arrested for not carrying their passport while exercising their right to go out in public in Arizona?
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    aerial wrote:

    Are you advocating putting US citizens in jail because they exercise there rights as Americans? If so you Scare Me....

    You mean like the Hispanic American citizens who are arrested for not carrying their passport while exercising their right to go out in public in Arizona?

    American CITIZENS going to jail?! That's wrong also......see we agree :)
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • unsung
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    Unconstitutional laws are not laws.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    aerial wrote:

    Are you advocating putting US citizens in jail because they exercise there rights as Americans? If so you Scare Me....

    If they break the law? Of course.

    And did you know there are different variations of there? Just for future... the there you used should have actually been their (the possessive form)!

    And why did you capitalize scare and me?

    One other thing... the accepted ellipsis to indicate pause is three evenly spaced dots (not four).

    Just trying to help is all!
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  • Prince Of Dorkness
    Prince Of Dorkness Posts: 3,763
    aerial wrote:
    American CITIZENS going to jail?! That's wrong also......see we agree :)

    In Arizona, all that must happen is that a policeman can have suspicion you might not be a citizen or here legally and can demand proof there on the spot. If you don't have your papers there with you, you can be arrested and detained on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant until you can prove you are here legally.

    That's all.

    So yes... Citizens can be arrested if the policeman can say he suspects you aren't one.
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Prince Of Dorkness wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    American CITIZENS going to jail?! That's wrong also......see we agree :)

    In Arizona, all that must happen is that a policeman can have suspicion you might not be a citizen or here legally and can demand proof there on the spot. If you don't have your papers there with you, you can be arrested and detained on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant until you can prove you are here legally.

    That's all.

    So yes... Citizens can be arrested if the policeman can say he suspects you aren't one.


    They are trying to enforce the law..............................but Obama has illegally made that impossible .....................
    In 2005 in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, the New Orleans Police, National Guard troops, and U.S. Marshals confiscated firearms.
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • whgarrett
    whgarrett Posts: 574
    There is a big part of me that wants the government to take over. Wouldn't that be crazy!! It sure as hell would make life a lot more interesting. :)

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