Time for PJ do something totally different this coming album

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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,390
    In my opinion:
    Stone needs to write more.
    Ed needs to write less.
    Drop the "punk" sound.
    More original riffs (Stone)
    More original guitar leads (Mike)
    Upbeat songs need more Matt feel.
    Acoustic is always a plus.
    Experimentation has been lacking for years.
    More bluesy sound.
    Understand Ed's actual range.
    Get a fn album out!
  • Bathgate66
    Bathgate66 Posts: 15,813
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  • DiRtyFranK38
    DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
    mca47 wrote:
    In my opinion:
    Stone needs to write more.
    Ed needs to write less.
    Drop the "punk" sound.
    More original riffs (Stone)
    More original guitar leads (Mike)
    Upbeat songs need more Matt feel.
    Acoustic is always a plus.
    Experimentation has been lacking for years.
    More bluesy sound.
    Understand Ed's actual range.
    Get a fn album out!

    I agree with every single thing you just said.

    But even with experimentation lacking they put out great records.
    I find Avocado to be garage rock perfection. Some of their best harder songs ever... and then you got Inside Job, Army Reserve, Gone... oh my... While it lacks experimentation, I find it phenomenal and much better than Backspacer (which I do still really like).

    But enough of that rant... you were right with all the shit you said. Just time for a bit of a change.
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  • Oceans 98
    Oceans 98 Posts: 232
    Does anyone else sense a little conflict within the band about what the new album should sound like, just like us in a sense? Stone has said that the new album would be like nothing they have done before, Mike has said the album will be a typical PJ album with your heavy songs, ballads, and a few in between, and Jeff has mentioned the album on occasion but seems to be a little standoffish about it and focusing on RNDM. Makes me curious to know if they even have an idea of what they are going to do.
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,381
    goldrush wrote:
    I personally don't want to see any radical changes to their sound. I love the PJ we have now (and you can guarantee the "What the hell are PJ doing?" threads on here would far outweigh the supportive ones!) but it would be cool if the band started writing longer songs, even cooler if it was in the Neil Young & Crazy Horse mould!

    Get Stone to write some killer riffs and just let Mike loose! No need for any Radioshite influence or any weird instruments, just jam out! As veddertown said, they have stretched songs out on stage before so we know they can handle it. It would need to be a bit more structured than Of The Earth though...

    Thank god im not the only one.

    if Pj went into that electronica shite I'd be heartbroken, disappearing up their arses with a Kid A album would be a disaster IMO.

    It seems to me that the guys are embracing acoustic guitars more - and we might expect some acoustic tunes in the new record - the photo from the studio reinforced that. Eds new Loud Uke song, and the pump organ tune were great to hear and they werent far out and crazy - the guy knows how to write a tune these days, so please keep the radically different shit firmly in the box.

    Of the Earth hasnt made it to a record and has been in the miox for 6 years plus, theres a reason for that.
  • boyo79
    boyo79 Warrington, UK Posts: 6,525
    mca47 wrote:
    In my opinion:
    Stone needs to write more.
    Ed needs to write less.
    Drop the "punk" sound.
    More original riffs (Stone)
    More original guitar leads (Mike)
    Upbeat songs need more Matt feel.
    Acoustic is always a plus.
    Experimentation has been lacking for years.
    More bluesy sound.
    Understand Ed's actual range.
    Get a fn album out!

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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    edited January 2013
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Why do people think the band was "to good" to write backspacer? It's a great cd with songs that will be considered classics along side alive, daughter, betterman etc...

    Just, no. The last show 3 shows I've attended, where there were 20k people pumping their fists during Alive and turning to talk to a friend during Unthought Known was pretty indicative of that.
    mca47 wrote:
    In my opinion:
    Stone needs to write more.
    Ed needs to write less.
    Drop the "punk" sound.
    More original riffs (Stone)
    More original guitar leads (Mike)
    Upbeat songs need more Matt feel.
    Acoustic is always a plus.
    Experimentation has been lacking for years.
    More bluesy sound.
    Understand Ed's actual range.
    Get a fn album out!

    I agree with most of this. I've always thought that their unsuccessful attempts at punk far outnumbered anything close to a solid song in that vein.
    drummerboy_73 wrote:
    I've been feeling for a while that PJ needs their "Achilles Last Stand" or "In My Time of Dying".

    I don't think they really ever had that in them, even during their prime. Inside Job is their longest tune to date and while it's an ok song, it just takes a long time to get where it's going with the long intro and slower pace. The transitions and arrangement aren't nearly as interesting as something like Faithfull or In My Tree, let alone 2 of the best tunes from the best band ever.



    I get the feeling that Ed having so much control has finally become a detriment to the motivation of others. There have been some really great songs left off albums since Binaural. It seems like Jeff and Stone in particular are bringing fewer of their "weird" tunes in these days.
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  • stuckinline
    stuckinline Posts: 3,411
    mca47 wrote:
    In my opinion:
    Stone needs to write more.
    Ed needs to write less.
    Drop the "punk" sound.
    More original riffs (Stone)
    More original guitar leads (Mike)
    Upbeat songs need more Matt feel.
    Acoustic is always a plus.
    Experimentation has been lacking for years.
    More bluesy sound.
    Understand Ed's actual range.
    Get a fn album out!
    This^
    And I'll add: more creative control to Jeff and Stone.
    Less Boom.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,747
    mca47 wrote:
    In my opinion:
    Stone needs to write more.
    Ed needs to write less.
    Drop the "punk" sound.
    More original riffs (Stone)
    More original guitar leads (Mike)
    Upbeat songs need more Matt feel.
    Acoustic is always a plus.
    Experimentation has been lacking for years.
    More bluesy sound.
    Understand Ed's actual range.
    Get a fn album out!
    come on...i think all agree with this!!!!!!!!!!
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  • boyo79
    boyo79 Warrington, UK Posts: 6,525
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    mca47 wrote:
    In my opinion:
    Stone needs to write more.
    Ed needs to write less.
    Drop the "punk" sound.
    More original riffs (Stone)
    More original guitar leads (Mike)
    Upbeat songs need more Matt feel.
    Acoustic is always a plus.
    Experimentation has been lacking for years.
    More bluesy sound.
    Understand Ed's actual range.
    Get a fn album out!
    come on...i think all agree with this!!!!!!!!!!


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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    boyo79 wrote:
    Calling Mr McCready!!! Calling Mr McCready!!! He's not been seen on a Pearl Jam record since 2006.....

    Seems like he the most input of anybody not named Ed on Backspacer.
  • DiRtyFranK38
    DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
    To go along with what you guys are saying, I agree.. MUCH more Stone and Jeff writing is needed.
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  • Pap
    Pap Serres, Greece Posts: 31,119
    Oceans 98 wrote:
    I would love to see them do a progressive rock album.


    +1 Like Pavlov's Dog! :D


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  • Oceans 98
    Oceans 98 Posts: 232
    edited January 2013
    +1 Like Pavlov's Dog! :D


    Haha! I was thinking more along the lines of Pink Floyd or maybe even Tool, but not quite as dark and as Tool, you get the drift (:
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  • corduroykelly
    corduroykelly Posts: 668
    I really hope they do nothing like Radiohead because that bands music has sucked for so long with all of that electronic shit. Pearl Jam would never do anything that awful. Radiohead does it just to be different and it sucks they have not put out a good album since the 90's.
  • Oceans 98
    Oceans 98 Posts: 232
    corduroykelly wrote:
    I really hope they do nothing like Radiohead because that bands music has sucked for so long with all of that electronic shit. Pearl Jam would never do anything that awful. Radiohead does it just to be different and it sucks they have not put out a good album since the 90's.

    +1 totally agree, maybe they could collaborate on a Boom Gasper solo record. That's about as electronic as I see them going.
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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Oceans 98 wrote:
    corduroykelly wrote:
    I really hope they do nothing like Radiohead because that bands music has sucked for so long with all of that electronic shit. Pearl Jam would never do anything that awful. Radiohead does it just to be different and it sucks they have not put out a good album since the 90's.

    +1 totally agree, maybe they could collaborate on a Boom Gasper solo record. That's about as electronic as I see them going.

    The stuff from Kid A on will never be on par with The Bends and OK Computer, but they've had 2 albums this century in Hail to the Thief and In Rainbows that I wouldn't classify as electronic and they're both really great. I agree it seems like they're lookin up their own asses quite a bit with some of that electronic bs, especially King of Limbs.
  • Oceans 98
    Oceans 98 Posts: 232
    I like their albums from the 90s. Anything the past decade from them has been a bit of a disappointment for me.
    DewieCox wrote:
    Oceans 98 wrote:
    corduroykelly wrote:
    I really hope they do nothing like Radiohead because that bands music has sucked for so long with all of that electronic shit. Pearl Jam would never do anything that awful. Radiohead does it just to be different and it sucks they have not put out a good album since the 90's.

    +1 totally agree, maybe they could collaborate on a Boom Gasper solo record. That's about as electronic as I see them going.

    The stuff from Kid A on will never be on par with The Bends and OK Computer, but they've had 2 albums this century in Hail to the Thief and In Rainbows that I wouldn't classify as electronic and they're both really great. I agree it seems like they're lookin up their own asses quite a bit with some of that electronic bs, especially King of Limbs.
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  • pdalowsky
    pdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 15,381
    Radiohead could have been one of the biggest bands on the planet......
  • guypjfreak
    guypjfreak Posts: 2,281
    they've never done a same as album yet so they sure wont start now we will just have to wait and see ........................its just the waiting i dont like but hey ho good things you have to wait for ..................like my wife making breakfast ..............he says out-load ................oopppps i think shes got the hint :lol::lol:

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