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jamminpearls

JK_Livin wrote:

All I know is that Andy would not have been handing off to Shady down by 14 in the 4th quarter. The Jury is still out on Chip and will be for a while.

Reid was handing off to Shady when they were down even more. Last yr in the 4th down more with under 3 minutes to go. That's the game Shady got his concussion.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

11 against the Chargers is the bigger aberration considering they won the Skins game and built that huge lead while riding his coattails. It's funny that you just want to ignore that one. We have 3 games played. One with a huge amount of runs. One with a small amount of runs. And one just right at 20. Right around 20 with the other backs getting around 5-7 is about right for this team. Lord knows you don't want Vick throwing the ball 40 times a game. Andy Reid already proved that does not work.

You gotta put the ball in the hands of your best players. McCoy is this teams best player and one of, if not, the best back in the league. This isn't rocket science.

well he averaged 16.6 carries last year. even 20 is not even one more per quarter. is that really a big enough difference to say this team is relying on the run a lot more? one play per quarter is not a difference to me.

i'm assuming you watched the skins game but it really feels like you didn't. earlier you said that game shouldn't count as far as rushing stats are concerned because they had such a big lead in the first half--implying this was because they threw it all half. i just can't fathom how someone who saw that game can come away with that impression. here is what actually happened (not including qb runs):

1st drive - 4 carries, 6 passes
2nd drive - 4 carries (2 mccoy, 2 brown), 4 passes
3rd drive- 1 play, 1 pass, td
4th drive - 3 carrries, 2 passes
5th drive- 2 carries, 4 passes

13 carries and 17 passes in the first half--great balance, huge lead, and their only win of the season. this offense is different than what we've had here in the past. it is predicated on the run despite what you want to try and believe. it is about running the football all game long, not only when you build up a big lead like andy reid always did.

yards per carry under reid is such a misleading stat because after 2003 he would always always always, no matter who he was playing, no matter what type of schemes the defense would show, no matter who his qb was and how he was performing, would spend the first half airing it out to try and build a lead with few exceptions. usually the bulk of mccoy's runs were gained late in the game to preserve a lead. you've acknowledged this in the past.

4 - 5 more carries per game is over 70 carries per year and around 400 additional yards per year. these are not insignificant numbers. being able to establish the run game and determine the flow of the game means a lot to an offense--especially the o line. o linemen always talk about being able to get into a rhythm when they are moving forward instead of dropping back to pass for most of the game.

mccoy got 20 carries or more 3 times last year--the only 3 wins this team had.
they were 4-1 when he got 20 or more carries in 2011.
reid only gave it to him 20 or more times once in 2010 and they won that game.
and they were 2-0 when he got 20 or more in his rookie year
so 10-2 overall when he's gotten 20 or more carries.....if you combine that with vick's awful record when attempting more than 35 passes a game....well, i don't understand how this is so hard for you to understand. i really don't. the numbers do not lie. putting the ball in the hands of your best players will give you your best chance of winning.

finally, yes it's only been 3 games but you're the one who decided to bring this up now so i will tell you that including brown and not including vick's runs, they are running it 45% of the time so far this year...last year, not including qb runs, they ran it 35% of the time. again, the numbers don't lie. i don't know how else to explain this to you man.

JK_Livin

jamminpearls wrote:

JK_Livin wrote:

All I know is that Andy would not have been handing off to Shady down by 14 in the 4th quarter. The Jury is still out on Chip and will be for a while.

Reid was handing off to Shady when they were down even more. Last yr in the 4th down more with under 3 minutes to go. That's the game Shady got his concussion.

Like I said, 14 points wasn't a big enough deficit for Reid to stop running.

How could I forget that game?

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

i'm assuming you watched the skins game but it really feels like you didn't. earlier you said that game shouldn't count as far as rushing stats are concerned because they had such a big lead in the first half--implying this was because they threw it all half. i just can't fathom how someone who saw that game can come away with that impression. here is what actually happened (not including qb runs):

1st drive - 4 carries, 6 passes
2nd drive - 4 carries (2 mccoy, 2 brown), 4 passes
3rd drive- 1 play, 1 pass, td
4th drive - 3 carrries, 2 passes
5th drive- 2 carries, 4 passes

13 carries and 17 passes in the first half--great balance, huge lead, and their only win of the season. this offense is different than what we've had here in the past. it is predicated on the run despite what you want to try and believe. it is about running the football all game long, not only when you build up a big lead like andy reid always did.

yards per carry under reid is such a misleading stat because after 2003 he would always always always, no matter who he was playing, no matter what type of schemes the defense would show, no matter who his qb was and how he was performing, would spend the first half airing it out to try and build a lead with few exceptions. usually the bulk of mccoy's runs were gained late in the game to preserve a lead. you've acknowledged this in the past.

4 - 5 more carries per game is over 70 carries per year and around 400 additional yards per year. these are not insignificant numbers. being able to establish the run game and determine the flow of the game means a lot to an offense--especially the o line. o linemen always talk about being able to get into a rhythm when they are moving forward instead of dropping back to pass for most of the game.

mccoy got 20 carries or more 3 times last year--the only 3 wins this team had.
they were 4-1 when he got 20 or more carries in 2011.
reid only gave it to him 20 or more times once in 2010 and they won that game.
and they were 2-0 when he got 20 or more in his rookie year
so 10-2 overall when he's gotten 20 or more carries.....if you combine that with vick's awful record when attempting more than 35 passes a game....well, i don't understand how this is so hard for you to understand. i really don't. the numbers do not lie. putting the ball in the hands of your best players will give you your best chance of winning.

finally, yes it's only been 3 games but you're the one who decided to bring this up now so i will tell you that including brown and not including vick's runs, they are running it 45% of the time so far this year...last year, not including qb runs, they ran it 35% of the time. again, the numbers don't lie. i don't know how else to explain this to you man.

well only 3 players averaged 20+ rushing attempts a game in 2012 so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say McCoy will not average 20 rushes per game this year. I think it's a safe bet that he won't.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

i'm assuming you watched the skins game but it really feels like you didn't. earlier you said that game shouldn't count as far as rushing stats are concerned because they had such a big lead in the first half--implying this was because they threw it all half. i just can't fathom how someone who saw that game can come away with that impression. here is what actually happened (not including qb runs):

1st drive - 4 carries, 6 passes
2nd drive - 4 carries (2 mccoy, 2 brown), 4 passes
3rd drive- 1 play, 1 pass, td
4th drive - 3 carrries, 2 passes
5th drive- 2 carries, 4 passes

13 carries and 17 passes in the first half--great balance, huge lead, and their only win of the season. this offense is different than what we've had here in the past. it is predicated on the run despite what you want to try and believe. it is about running the football all game long, not only when you build up a big lead like andy reid always did.

yards per carry under reid is such a misleading stat because after 2003 he would always always always, no matter who he was playing, no matter what type of schemes the defense would show, no matter who his qb was and how he was performing, would spend the first half airing it out to try and build a lead with few exceptions. usually the bulk of mccoy's runs were gained late in the game to preserve a lead. you've acknowledged this in the past.

4 - 5 more carries per game is over 70 carries per year and around 400 additional yards per year. these are not insignificant numbers. being able to establish the run game and determine the flow of the game means a lot to an offense--especially the o line. o linemen always talk about being able to get into a rhythm when they are moving forward instead of dropping back to pass for most of the game.

mccoy got 20 carries or more 3 times last year--the only 3 wins this team had.
they were 4-1 when he got 20 or more carries in 2011.
reid only gave it to him 20 or more times once in 2010 and they won that game.
and they were 2-0 when he got 20 or more in his rookie year
so 10-2 overall when he's gotten 20 or more carries.....if you combine that with vick's awful record when attempting more than 35 passes a game....well, i don't understand how this is so hard for you to understand. i really don't. the numbers do not lie. putting the ball in the hands of your best players will give you your best chance of winning.

finally, yes it's only been 3 games but you're the one who decided to bring this up now so i will tell you that including brown and not including vick's runs, they are running it 45% of the time so far this year...last year, not including qb runs, they ran it 35% of the time. again, the numbers don't lie. i don't know how else to explain this to you man.

well only 3 players averaged 20+ rushing attempts a game in 2012 so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say McCoy will not average 20 rushes per game this year. I think it's a safe bet that he won't.

yeah 3 of the best backs in the league. ball-hands-best player. mccoy is the best right now. not much of a stretch, especially considering the kind of offense the eagles run now.

but to circle back to your original point: 45% to 35%. the media and fans have not put that "tired excuse of not running the ball enough away for this coach so far" because this coach's offense is predicated on a balanced offense.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

i'm assuming you watched the skins game but it really feels like you didn't. earlier you said that game shouldn't count as far as rushing stats are concerned because they had such a big lead in the first half--implying this was because they threw it all half. i just can't fathom how someone who saw that game can come away with that impression. here is what actually happened (not including qb runs):

1st drive - 4 carries, 6 passes
2nd drive - 4 carries (2 mccoy, 2 brown), 4 passes
3rd drive- 1 play, 1 pass, td
4th drive - 3 carrries, 2 passes
5th drive- 2 carries, 4 passes

13 carries and 17 passes in the first half--great balance, huge lead, and their only win of the season. this offense is different than what we've had here in the past. it is predicated on the run despite what you want to try and believe. it is about running the football all game long, not only when you build up a big lead like andy reid always did.

yards per carry under reid is such a misleading stat because after 2003 he would always always always, no matter who he was playing, no matter what type of schemes the defense would show, no matter who his qb was and how he was performing, would spend the first half airing it out to try and build a lead with few exceptions. usually the bulk of mccoy's runs were gained late in the game to preserve a lead. you've acknowledged this in the past.

4 - 5 more carries per game is over 70 carries per year and around 400 additional yards per year. these are not insignificant numbers. being able to establish the run game and determine the flow of the game means a lot to an offense--especially the o line. o linemen always talk about being able to get into a rhythm when they are moving forward instead of dropping back to pass for most of the game.

mccoy got 20 carries or more 3 times last year--the only 3 wins this team had.
they were 4-1 when he got 20 or more carries in 2011.
reid only gave it to him 20 or more times once in 2010 and they won that game.
and they were 2-0 when he got 20 or more in his rookie year
so 10-2 overall when he's gotten 20 or more carries.....if you combine that with vick's awful record when attempting more than 35 passes a game....well, i don't understand how this is so hard for you to understand. i really don't. the numbers do not lie. putting the ball in the hands of your best players will give you your best chance of winning.

finally, yes it's only been 3 games but you're the one who decided to bring this up now so i will tell you that including brown and not including vick's runs, they are running it 45% of the time so far this year...last year, not including qb runs, they ran it 35% of the time. again, the numbers don't lie. i don't know how else to explain this to you man.

well only 3 players averaged 20+ rushing attempts a game in 2012 so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say McCoy will not average 20 rushes per game this year. I think it's a safe bet that he won't.

yeah 3 of the best backs in the league. ball-hands-best player. mccoy is the best right now. not much of a stretch, especially considering the kind of offense the eagles run now.

but to circle back to your original point: 45% to 35%. the media and fans have not put that "tired excuse of not running the ball enough away for this coach so far" because this coach's offense is predicated on a balanced offense.

ok we will see if he averages 20 rushes a game.

and actually the offense is predicated on pace, speed and running more plays. even chip himself has said he wants to run more plays as opposed to time of possession. not that it has happened over the 1st 3 games but that's the general philosophy right from the coaches mouth.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

well only 3 players averaged 20+ rushing attempts a game in 2012 so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say McCoy will not average 20 rushes per game this year. I think it's a safe bet that he won't.

yeah 3 of the best backs in the league. ball-hands-best player. mccoy is the best right now. not much of a stretch, especially considering the kind of offense the eagles run now.

but to circle back to your original point: 45% to 35%. the media and fans have not put that "tired excuse of not running the ball enough away for this coach so far" because this coach's offense is predicated on a balanced offense.

ok we will see if he averages 20 rushes a game.

and actually the offense is predicated on pace, speed and running more plays. even chip himself has said he wants to run more plays as opposed to time of possession. not that it has happened over the 1st 3 games but that's the general philosophy right from the coaches mouth.

time of possession thing--i don't agree with. we'll see how that works out. i've always felt it is important.

he's had a balanced offense everywhere he's been. he has sound countless times that he wants to put the ball in the hands of his best players.

he knows he cannot win with mike vick throwing 65% of the time every game. andy reid showed us that did not work. if you think they can, then you have a lot more faith in vick than i do, and i like him more than most.

bottom line, your 2nd point was misguided.

pjhawks

The Juggler wrote:

time of possession thing--i don't agree with. we'll see how that works out. i've always felt it is important.

he's had a balanced offense everywhere he's been. he has sound countless times that he wants to put the ball in the hands of his best players.

he knows he cannot win with mike vick throwing 65% of the time every game. andy reid showed us that did not work. if you think they can, then you have a lot more faith in vick than i do, and i like him more than most.

bottom line, your 2nd point was misguided.

the atrocious defense has more to do with losing last year and this year than the offense or vick. I don't think even you can dispute that.

JK_Livin

I don't want Shady's carries to decrease but I also want to see him more in the passing game along with the TE's.

Jearlpam0925

Either way it's not going to matter because by the time this team is contending all the tread on McCoy's tires are going to be gone.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

time of possession thing--i don't agree with. we'll see how that works out. i've always felt it is important.

he's had a balanced offense everywhere he's been. he has sound countless times that he wants to put the ball in the hands of his best players.

he knows he cannot win with mike vick throwing 65% of the time every game. andy reid showed us that did not work. if you think they can, then you have a lot more faith in vick than i do, and i like him more than most.

bottom line, your 2nd point was misguided.

the atrocious defense has more to do with losing last year and this year than the offense or vick. I don't think even you can dispute that.

of course. that's what happens when you draft poorly on that side of the ball for years and years.

The Juggler

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Either way it's not going to matter because by the time this team is contending all the tread on McCoy's tires are going to be gone.

he's still just 25 and is good at avoiding big hits...

Jearlpam0925

The Juggler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Either way it's not going to matter because by the time this team is contending all the tread on McCoy's tires are going to be gone.

he's still just 25 and is good at avoiding big hits...

Hey, PLEASE prove me wrong. But carries are carries and they'll add up. I hope I am wrong, but this going to have to take at least two more seasons before they're a solid bunch. And two years is a long time in RB years.

London Bridge

My hopes for the season have been reduced to:

1. McCoy does not get injured while racking up all the rushing yardage.
2. The Eagles get at least 2 more wins, and they are vs Dallas

The Juggler

just finished moving this weekend. sooooo looking forward to spending today drinking and watching tons of football in my own living room again.

GO BIRDS!!

eeriepadave

please don't be too much of a blowout

rick1zoo2

eeriepadave wrote:

please don't be too much of a blowout

:roll:

eeriepadave

rick1zoo2 wrote:

eeriepadave wrote:

please don't be too much of a blowout

:roll:

:fp: well at least we got the Giants next week :?

rick1zoo2

eeriepadave wrote:

rick1zoo2 wrote:

eeriepadave wrote:

please don't be too much of a blowout

:roll:

:fp: well at least we got the Giants next week :?

and someone has to win that one.....

JK_Livin

Embarrassing. At least we won't have to face them again until the end of the season.