Will Boehner resign?
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...Jeanwah wrote:
Actually... I hope not.
I mean, he DID compromise to avoid risking our economy from possibly running into another recession. That (compromise) is what is needed in Congress in order to get anything done. The gridlock created by the non-stop, warlike bullshit that has been going on is what has lead us to this fucked up situation. The people that need to be ousted are the ones who think they are at war with the other side of the aisle.
Our government is based upon the give and take of compromise because we are such a vast collective of interests. The ones who think their way is the only way are the ones that are fucking it up for everyone.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Cosmo wrote:
...Jeanwah wrote:
Actually... I hope not.
I mean, he DID compromise to avoid risking our economy from possibly running into another recession. That (compromise) is what is needed in Congress in order to get anything done. The gridlock created by the non-stop, warlike bullshit that has been going on is what has lead us to this fucked up situation. The people that need to be ousted are the ones who think they are at war with the other side of the aisle.
Our government is based upon the give and take of compromise because we are such a vast collective of interests. The ones who think their way is the only way are the ones that are fucking it up for everyone.
He DID compromise what, exactly, Cosmo? Is this because he last minute decided to pass the fiscal cliff bill? After his actions with delaying aid to Hurricane Sandy victims today, and only changing his mind due to strong GOP contesting, he's done and personally, I can't wait til he's gone.0 -
IF true, the next guy will be way worse as far as line in the sand our way or no way bullshit._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Jeanwah wrote:Cosmo wrote:
...Jeanwah wrote:
Actually... I hope not.
I mean, he DID compromise to avoid risking our economy from possibly running into another recession. That (compromise) is what is needed in Congress in order to get anything done. The gridlock created by the non-stop, warlike bullshit that has been going on is what has lead us to this fucked up situation. The people that need to be ousted are the ones who think they are at war with the other side of the aisle.
Our government is based upon the give and take of compromise because we are such a vast collective of interests. The ones who think their way is the only way are the ones that are fucking it up for everyone.
He DID compromise what, exactly, Cosmo? Is this because he last minute decided to pass the fiscal cliff bill? After his actions with delaying aid to Hurricane Sandy victims today, and only changing his mind due to strong GOP contesting, he's done and personally, I can't wait til he's gone.
Careful you'll make him cry :(0 -
...Jeanwah wrote:He DID compromise what, exactly, Cosmo? Is this because he last minute decided to pass the fiscal cliff bill? After his actions with delaying aid to Hurricane Sandy victims today, and only changing his mind due to strong GOP contesting, he's done and personally, I can't wait til he's gone.
He got enough Republicans to vote for the passage of the bill by raising the limit on individuals from $250,000.00 to $400,000.00. For which, he took a hit. If it were up to the Santorum/Bachmann types, we would have went over and the market would have reacted, probably, in a negative manner.
And now... the House Republicans have to answer to America on WHY they cut loose the victims of Hurricane Sandy... including House Speaker Boehner.
Imagine Boehner's replacement... Cantor? Rand Paul? Bachmann?Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Eh...if he resigns, not sure how anyone expects that to make for much of a difference. Would love to hear a case made to that point, though. Cosmo, why do you think Rand Paul would be worse?0
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Rand Paul is in the Senate.0 -
unsung wrote:Rand Paul is in the Senate.
Speaker technically doesn't have to be a member of the House. Crazy, I know. And, it's never happened (and is more unlikely than the Cubs winning the WS anytime soon). But, your or I could be Speaker of the House if they knew us.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
They should all resign and be ashamed of themselves. But they don't. We need to vote them out.The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
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...pjl44 wrote:Eh...if he resigns, not sure how anyone expects that to make for much of a difference. Would love to hear a case made to that point, though. Cosmo, why do you think Rand Paul would be worse?
As pointed out, Rand Paul is in the Senate, not the House. My bad.
The point I am trying to make is that Michelle Bachmann/Rand Paul-esque candidates hold a 'take no prisoners' attitude towards their jobs. Compromise is part of the deal when you take public office. You HAVE to negotiate to reach a concensus when you are talking about a large governing body... that represents a vast number of citizens. We are not all going to agree, point to point, on every issue. Negotiations, often times heated debate will occur... that is part of the process, but at some point you NEED to find a common ground that everyone can live with. Sure, it would be nice if everything you wanted... you got. But, we are a society of varying people with varying views due to varying life experiences. So, you don't get to decide what is best for everyone... California cannot decide how Alabama should live... Alabama should not dictate how Vermont lives... and so on.
We may agree that Boehner is not the best Speaker... but, seriously, it could be a lot worse.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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EdsonNascimento wrote:unsung wrote:Rand Paul is in the Senate.
Speaker technically doesn't have to be a member of the House. Crazy, I know. And, it's never happened (and is more unlikely than the Cubs winning the WS anytime soon). But, your or I could be Speaker of the House if they knew us.
Isn't that cool? I think it would be exciting to have a speaker of the house that wan't a congressman!0 -
Cosmo wrote:
...pjl44 wrote:Eh...if he resigns, not sure how anyone expects that to make for much of a difference. Would love to hear a case made to that point, though. Cosmo, why do you think Rand Paul would be worse?
As pointed out, Rand Paul is in the Senate, not the House. My bad.
The point I am trying to make is that Michelle Bachmann/Rand Paul-esque candidates hold a 'take no prisoners' attitude towards their jobs. Compromise is part of the deal when you take public office. You HAVE to negotiate to reach a concensus when you are talking about a large governing body... that represents a vast number of citizens. We are not all going to agree, point to point, on every issue. Negotiations, often times heated debate will occur... that is part of the process, but at some point you NEED to find a common ground that everyone can live with. Sure, it would be nice if everything you wanted... you got. But, we are a society of varying people with varying views due to varying life experiences. So, you don't get to decide what is best for everyone... California cannot decide how Alabama should live... Alabama should not dictate how Vermont lives... and so on.
We may agree that Boehner is not the best Speaker... but, seriously, it could be a lot worse.
It took his THIS long to start any compromise with Obama, he is his Party of the non-compromising. Anyone else may not do better, but clearly we can't do ant worse than Boehner. He has refused to budge on anything until the other day, right before he threw Sandy victims under the bus.0 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487Yes I know that the Speaker doesn't have to be a member, but it isn't going to happen. And please stop with the Bachmann/Paul comparisons. They are nothing alike. Bachmann supports the TSA, the PATRIOT Act, FISA, NDAA all of which destroy rights and all of which Rand Paul is against.0
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peacefrompaul wrote:EdsonNascimento wrote:unsung wrote:Rand Paul is in the Senate.
Speaker technically doesn't have to be a member of the House. Crazy, I know. And, it's never happened (and is more unlikely than the Cubs winning the WS anytime soon). But, your or I could be Speaker of the House if they knew us.
Isn't that cool? I think it would be exciting to have a speaker of the house that wan't a congressman!
This is an interesting bit of trivia that I never knew. Not entirely sure how I feel about this given that the Speaker is second on the list behind the VP to succeed the President if anything ever were to happen.___________________________________________
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...Jeanwah wrote:It took his THIS long to start any compromise with Obama, he is his Party of the non-compromising. Anyone else may not do better, but clearly we can't do ant worse than Boehner. He has refused to budge on anything until the other day, right before he threw Sandy victims under the bus.
But, you have to consider the overall picture that includes the histroy on how he got into this situation.
The Republicans have built themselves a house that is difficult to operate in. They have swung away from the moderate point of view towards the the outer fringes of the Right Wing. The fringes is where the lunatics live. That is where the conspiracy theories are born. That is where Michelle Bachmann is considered brilliant.
Republicans now have to cater to this fringe element in order to gain the nomination to run for office. They HAVE to say crazy shit on the campaign trail, even if they believe the complet opposite, in order to compete with the absurdity of the Santorums and Hermann Cains and Newt Gingriches just to get the nomination. Once in office, they have to deal with those crazy candidates that did win their seats.
The Republican Party really needs to re-gain its sanity. Republicans used to be the level headed ones in government... now, they are the crazy, birther-type looney tunes. They really need to step away from the fringe and back to planet Earth.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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unsung wrote:Yes I know that the Speaker doesn't have to be a member, but it isn't going to happen. And please stop with the Bachmann/Paul comparisons. They are nothing alike. Bachmann supports the TSA, the PATRIOT Act, FISA, NDAA all of which destroy rights and all of which Rand Paul is against.
Both backed Mitt Romney... they share that in common0 -
...unsung wrote:Yes I know that the Speaker doesn't have to be a member, but it isn't going to happen. And please stop with the Bachmann/Paul comparisons. They are nothing alike. Bachmann supports the TSA, the PATRIOT Act, FISA, NDAA all of which destroy rights and all of which Rand Paul is against.
Yes. But, you do argee that both Rand Paul and Michelle Bachmann are 'Take No Prisoner' types that look across the aisle and see enemies that need to be completely annihilated, right? If given their way, there would be NO Compromises because the opposition is seen as the enemy that needs to be completely destroyed.
If not.. please, give me examples where either one has presented compromise solutions.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Cosmo wrote:
...Jeanwah wrote:It took him THIS long to start any compromise with Obama, he is his Party of the non-compromising. Anyone else may not do better, but clearly we can't do ant worse than Boehner. He has refused to budge on anything until the other day, right before he threw Sandy victims under the bus.
But, you have to consider the overall picture that includes the histroy on how he got into this situation.
The Republicans have built themselves a house that is difficult to operate in. They have swung away from the moderate point of view towards the the outer fringes of the Right Wing. The fringes is where the lunatics live. That is where the conspiracy theories are born. That is where Michelle Bachmann is considered brilliant.
Republicans now have to cater to this fringe element in order to gain the nomination to run for office. They HAVE to say crazy shit on the campaign trail, even if they believe the complet opposite, in order to compete with the absurdity of the Santorums and Hermann Cains and Newt Gingriches just to get the nomination. Once in office, they have to deal with those crazy candidates that did win their seats.
The Republican Party really needs to re-gain its sanity. Republicans used to be the level headed ones in government... now, they are the crazy, birther-type looney tunes. They really need to step away from the fringe and back to planet Earth.
One would think that after losing the election by a land-slide and the direction that the people in the country are moving (forward, not backward), republicans would pay attention. It seems that they have their feet firmly planted in the mud more-so now than before. But, passing the fiscal cliff bill was a start. Now to get Boehner out. It's a start, anyway.
If "con" is the opposite of "pro," then is Congress the opposite of progress? We know that conservative is the opposite...0
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