Who are we to think......

fear4freedom

JimmyV wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Have you ever attended a Tea Party? I make it a point to study something very much before either judging or taking their side. I went to 8 tea parties to understand the entire movement. It began under President Bush! I hate to burst your bubble! Began under TARP with BUSH! The whole platform is based on the principle of our govt. should only spend, what it brings in. Its that simple. If you take that philosophy and apply it to reality with economics and fiscal policy, then you have a conservative ideology that the media loves to pick apart and demonize. If you can take the media out of the equation, and the the President is black, the entire platform makes sense and MOST of the American people would actually support it.

Do you have the power to take media out of the equation? I bet not!

I would welcome any evidence that the Tea Party, in the form we saw under President Obama, began under President Bush.

I know you would, however the Tea Party began with Tarp which was very close to Obama's election win! It takes time for a million person march on DC to materialize! Sorry it was on Obama's watch! Its not about race....its about principles! You should read up on the platform and apply it in a common sensical manner.

JimmyV

fear4freedom wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Have you ever attended a Tea Party? I make it a point to study something very much before either judging or taking their side. I went to 8 tea parties to understand the entire movement. It began under President Bush! I hate to burst your bubble! Began under TARP with BUSH! The whole platform is based on the principle of our govt. should only spend, what it brings in. Its that simple. If you take that philosophy and apply it to reality with economics and fiscal policy, then you have a conservative ideology that the media loves to pick apart and demonize. If you can take the media out of the equation, and the the President is black, the entire platform makes sense and MOST of the American people would actually support it.

Do you have the power to take media out of the equation? I bet not!

I would welcome any evidence that the Tea Party, in the form we saw under President Obama, began under President Bush.

I know you would, however the Tea Party began with Tarp which was very close to Obama's election win! It takes time for a million person march on DC to materialize! Sorry it was on Obama's watch! Its not about race....its about principles! You should read up on the platform and apply it in a common sensical manner.

So I can expect evidence that the Tea Party in its current iteration began under President Bush, that it was not a knee-jerk panic reaction by a largely white segment of the GOP base to the election of this country's first black President?

fear4freedom

Have you ever attended a Tea Party? I make it a point to study something very much before either judging or taking their side. I went to 8 tea parties to understand the entire movement. It began under President Bush! I hate to burst your bubble! Began under TARP with BUSH! The whole platform is based on the principle of our govt. should only spend, what it brings in. Its that simple. If you take that philosophy and apply it to reality with economics and fiscal policy, then you have a conservative ideology that the media loves to pick apart and demonize. If you can take the media out of the equation, and the the President is black, the entire platform makes sense and MOST of the American people would actually support it.



I would welcome any evidence that the Tea Party, in the form we saw under President Obama, began under President Bush.[/quote]

I know you would, however the Tea Party began with Tarp which was very close to Obama's election win! It takes time for a million person march on DC to materialize! Sorry it was on Obama's watch! Its not about race....its about principles! You should read up on the platform and apply it in a common sensical manner.[/quote]

So I can expect evidence that the Tea Party in its current iteration began under President Bush, that it was not a knee-jerk panic reaction by a largely white segment of the GOP base to the election of this country's first black President?[/quote]

your words have a secret agenda there....notice it? Any movement takes time to materialize in "its current iteration". The Tea Party began as an idea under Bush as a response to TARP! Got it yet? Or is this pill too hard to swallow? It began about the same time Hillary Clinton created the BIRTHER MOVEMENT! Got it?

Moonpig

fear4freedom wrote:

Have you ever attended a Tea Party? I make it a point to study something very much before either judging or taking their side. I went to 8 tea parties to understand the entire movement. It began under President Bush! I hate to burst your bubble! Began under TARP with BUSH! The whole platform is based on the principle of our govt. should only spend, what it brings in. Its that simple. If you take that philosophy and apply it to reality with economics and fiscal policy, then you have a conservative ideology that the media loves to pick apart and demonize. If you can take the media out of the equation, and the the President is black, the entire platform makes sense and MOST of the American people would actually support it.



I would welcome any evidence that the Tea Party, in the form we saw under President Obama, began under President Bush.

I know you would, however the Tea Party began with Tarp which was very close to Obama's election win! It takes time for a million person march on DC to materialize! Sorry it was on Obama's watch! Its not about race....its about principles! You should read up on the platform and apply it in a common sensical manner.[/quote]

So I can expect evidence that the Tea Party in its current iteration began under President Bush, that it was not a knee-jerk panic reaction by a largely white segment of the GOP base to the election of this country's first black President?[/quote]

your words have a secret agenda there....notice it? Any movement takes time to materialize in "its current iteration". The Tea Party began as an idea under Bush as a response to TARP! Got it yet? Or is this pill too hard to swallow? It began about the same time Hillary Clinton created the BIRTHER MOVEMENT! Got it?[/quote]

Ha, I love how some of you try to outsource your hate.

tea party nuts seem nothing more than klan members without the hoods. "your words have a secret agenda" :fp: , your name is indeed very very apt

fear4freedom

Moonpig wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Have you ever attended a Tea Party? I make it a point to study something very much before either judging or taking their side. I went to 8 tea parties to understand the entire movement. It began under President Bush! I hate to burst your bubble! Began under TARP with BUSH! The whole platform is based on the principle of our govt. should only spend, what it brings in. Its that simple. If you take that philosophy and apply it to reality with economics and fiscal policy, then you have a conservative ideology that the media loves to pick apart and demonize. If you can take the media out of the equation, and the the President is black, the entire platform makes sense and MOST of the American people would actually support it.



I would welcome any evidence that the Tea Party, in the form we saw under President Obama, began under President Bush.

I know you would, however the Tea Party began with Tarp which was very close to Obama's election win! It takes time for a million person march on DC to materialize! Sorry it was on Obama's watch! Its not about race....its about principles! You should read up on the platform and apply it in a common sensical manner.

So I can expect evidence that the Tea Party in its current iteration began under President Bush, that it was not a knee-jerk panic reaction by a largely white segment of the GOP base to the election of this country's first black President?[/quote]

your words have a secret agenda there....notice it? Any movement takes time to materialize in "its current iteration". The Tea Party began as an idea under Bush as a response to TARP! Got it yet? Or is this pill too hard to swallow? It began about the same time Hillary Clinton created the BIRTHER MOVEMENT! Got it?[/quote]

Ha, I love how some of you try to outsource your hate.

tea party nuts seem nothing more than klan members without the hoods. "your words have a secret agenda" :fp: , your name is indeed very very apt[/quote]

You said "seem" cause all you do is believe what they media shows you and tells you! Thats how you live life....following the sheeple....and falling for every bit of it! My advice to you is before taking sides....attend both and study both .....for a long period of time....and see what reality brings you!

Moonpig

fear4freedom wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Have you ever attended a Tea Party? I make it a point to study something very much before either judging or taking their side. I went to 8 tea parties to understand the entire movement. It began under President Bush! I hate to burst your bubble! Began under TARP with BUSH! The whole platform is based on the principle of our govt. should only spend, what it brings in. Its that simple. If you take that philosophy and apply it to reality with economics and fiscal policy, then you have a conservative ideology that the media loves to pick apart and demonize. If you can take the media out of the equation, and the the President is black, the entire platform makes sense and MOST of the American people would actually support it.



I would welcome any evidence that the Tea Party, in the form we saw under President Obama, began under President Bush.

I know you would, however the Tea Party began with Tarp which was very close to Obama's election win! It takes time for a million person march on DC to materialize! Sorry it was on Obama's watch! Its not about race....its about principles! You should read up on the platform and apply it in a common sensical manner.

So I can expect evidence that the Tea Party in its current iteration began under President Bush, that it was not a knee-jerk panic reaction by a largely white segment of the GOP base to the election of this country's first black President?

your words have a secret agenda there....notice it? Any movement takes time to materialize in "its current iteration". The Tea Party began as an idea under Bush as a response to TARP! Got it yet? Or is this pill too hard to swallow? It began about the same time Hillary Clinton created the BIRTHER MOVEMENT! Got it?[/quote]

Ha, I love how some of you try to outsource your hate.

tea party nuts seem nothing more than klan members without the hoods. "your words have a secret agenda" :fp: , your name is indeed very very apt[/quote]

You said "seem" cause all you do is believe what they media shows you and tells you! Thats how you live life....following the sheeple....and falling for every bit of it! My advice to you is before taking sides....attend both and study both .....for a long period of time....and see what reality brings you![/quote]

Look man this babble is really getting old. What media pray tell do I watch? Enlighten me. What is it you think I am not studying, I'm judging a group by its actions. You seem to know so much about what I watch and what info I'm privy to.

Please come back with answers to the above questions, as opposed to more attempts at deflection.

fear4freedom

One has to be there or attend 3-8 events for them to understand the true meaning and goal of a movement!

How many Tea Parties have you attended?

Exactly....so how can you judge? You should be smart and know the media's agenda is to thwart you and the image of the Tea Party, therefore, if you are smart....you would then attend a few to see for yourself!

Thats smart!

Moonpig

fear4freedom wrote:

One has to be there or attend 3-8 events for them to understand the true meaning and goal of a movement!

How many Tea Parties have you attended?

Exactly....so how can you judge? You should be smart and know the media's agenda is to thwart you and the image of the Tea Party, therefore, if you are smart....you would then attend a few to see for yourself!

Thats smart!

I have relatives in Staunton, Virgina, visited them around Christmas time 2 years ago, went to a meeting. Funny that, you talking about judging.

fear4freedom

Moonpig wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

One has to be there or attend 3-8 events for them to understand the true meaning and goal of a movement!

How many Tea Parties have you attended?

Exactly....so how can you judge? You should be smart and know the media's agenda is to thwart you and the image of the Tea Party, therefore, if you are smart....you would then attend a few to see for yourself!

Thats smart!

I have relatives in Staunton, Virgina, visited them around Christmas time 2 years ago, went to a meeting. Funny that, you talking about judging.

I grew up a liberal Democrat there bud! I study alot and attend many meetings....and common sense tells me that we have a spending problem and we need to address it NOW or our country will go away! Its that simple.

Moonpig

fear4freedom wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

One has to be there or attend 3-8 events for them to understand the true meaning and goal of a movement!

How many Tea Parties have you attended?

Exactly....so how can you judge? You should be smart and know the media's agenda is to thwart you and the image of the Tea Party, therefore, if you are smart....you would then attend a few to see for yourself!

Thats smart!

I have relatives in Staunton, Virgina, visited them around Christmas time 2 years ago, went to a meeting. Funny that, you talking about judging.

I grew up a liberal Democrat there bud! I study alot and attend many meetings....and common sense tells me that we have a spending problem and we need to address it NOW or our country will go away! Its that simple.

And that's your opinion. My opinion is that the Tea Party is raked with people who freely allow others do their thinking for them, bigots and racists who try and mask their ignorance by exclaiming they have a mandate. This "take our country back" nonsense is nearing it's end, the American people have spoken and shown these kooks that their mandate no longer represents that of the normal, decent, hardworking american.

It is called fringe politics for a reason.

Oh and what do I care if you grew up a bloody democrat? How does that even factor in to what we've been talking about?

fear4freedom

The National Debt is not a myth??? Damn if it were....i could be a liberal.

Lets just pretend it is......and we will ignore any consequences it may bring.

Now that sounds more fun to me....lets go "let loose" tonight!

Moonpig

fear4freedom wrote:

The National Debt is not a myth??? Damn if it were....i could be a liberal.

Lets just pretend it is......and we will ignore any consequences it may bring.

Now that sounds more fun to me....lets go "let loose" tonight!

ok one more time, what does you being a democrat or liberal have anything to do with anything?

fear4freedom

Moonpig wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

The National Debt is not a myth??? Damn if it were....i could be a liberal.

Lets just pretend it is......and we will ignore any consequences it may bring.

Now that sounds more fun to me....lets go "let loose" tonight!

ok one more time, what does you being a democrat or liberal have anything to do with anything?

we have been talking about "attending" or "being part of" the process. I am involved in the process to see the truth and take the media out of the picture. Me growing up a liberal Democrat has alot to do with it. It proves that I wasnt raised from a conservative ideology, it shows that I imput myself into it from learning facts, and applying common sense to fiscal matters. It shows that I was empathetic to those who are poor cause i grew up poor. It shows that I am a legitimate and valiant opinion here on the train and my stance is one with merit. Thats why it matters. I can relate to both sides!

Moonpig

fear4freedom wrote:

Moonpig wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

The National Debt is not a myth??? Damn if it were....i could be a liberal.

Lets just pretend it is......and we will ignore any consequences it may bring.

Now that sounds more fun to me....lets go "let loose" tonight!

ok one more time, what does you being a democrat or liberal have anything to do with anything?

we have been talking about "attending" or "being part of" the process. I am involved in the process to see the truth and take the media out of the picture. Me growing up a liberal Democrat has alot to do with it. It proves that I wasnt raised from a conservative ideology, it shows that I imput myself into it from learning facts, and applying common sense to fiscal matters. It shows that I was empathetic to those who are poor cause i grew up poor. It shows that I am a legitimate and valiant opinion here on the train and my stance is one with merit. Thats why it matters. I can relate to both sides!

It's all well and good to say that you learn from facts and all that, and yet I have read some horrible posts about Islam and the like from you that would suggest to me otherwise.

With respect to my comments about Liberals/conservatives, I really don't care what colors someone wants to paint themselves in, it doesn't give someone any more creedence with me. If someone says something I disagree with, I'll call them on it.

fear4freedom

ok one more time, what does you being a democrat or liberal have anything to do with anything?[/quote]

we have been talking about "attending" or "being part of" the process. I am involved in the process to see the truth and take the media out of the picture. Me growing up a liberal Democrat has alot to do with it. It proves that I wasnt raised from a conservative ideology, it shows that I imput myself into it from learning facts, and applying common sense to fiscal matters. It shows that I was empathetic to those who are poor cause i grew up poor. It shows that I am a legitimate and valiant opinion here on the train and my stance is one with merit. Thats why it matters. I can relate to both sides![/quote]

It's all well and good to say that you learn from facts and all that, and yet I have read some horrible posts about Islam and the like from you that would suggest to me otherwise.

With respect to my comments about Liberals/conservatives, I really don't care what colors someone wants to paint themselves in, it doesn't give someone any more creedence with me. If someone says something I disagree with, I'll call them on it.[/quote]

Good I like that in you! I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal! I consider myself a common sense conservative whom is more libertarian as our govt. continues to waste and drive us off a cliff!

JimmyV

So I can expect evidence that the Tea Party in its current iteration began under President Bush, that it was not a knee-jerk panic reaction by a largely white segment of the GOP base to the election of this country's first black President?

your words have a secret agenda there....notice it? Any movement takes time to materialize in "its current iteration". The Tea Party began as an idea under Bush as a response to TARP! Got it yet? Or is this pill too hard to swallow? It began about the same time Hillary Clinton created the BIRTHER MOVEMENT! Got it?

My agenda is actually not very secret here. I don't believe you and would like to see some evidence presented to backup your claims. Got it?

Better Dan

The government without a doubt needs to cut spending, which I think is the OP's point. I'm not really sure how anyone can argue that fact. I also think that tax hikes are needed. All this talk about the tea party and race is just a distraction and dividing us from what needs to be done - spending cuts and entitlement reform. The problem is that members of congress do not want to make the tough decisions (because they just want to be reelected) and the American people don't want to make any sacrifices.

JimmyV

Better Dan wrote:

The government without a doubt needs to cut spending, which I think is the OP's point. I'm not really sure how anyone can argue that fact. I also think that tax hikes are needed. All this talk about the tea party and race is just a distraction and dividing us from what needs to be done - spending cuts and entitlement reform. The problem is that members of congress do not want to make the tough decisions (because they just want to be reelected) and the American people don't want to make any sacrifices.

I wholeheartedly agree that both tax hikes and spending cuts are needed to fix this mess. Maybe that was the original point of the thread, maybe not, but it went in a different direction when the OP posted:

fear4freedom wrote:

I have a great feeling that if the Tea Party heightened with a white president, it would have taken much more of a stronghold in our political system! I dont see any issues with the Tea Party Platform itself! The media has ruined it! Its a shame!

That brought us into the discussion of race and its role in the formation of the Tea Party.