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"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
I hope the tax agreement is voted down if there's no significant real spending cuts. They won't effect me, but they're are just pr so a few can say they kept their promise. When will we have real change? Stop kicking the can down the road.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
I hope the tax agreement is voted down if there's no significant real spending cuts. They won't effect me, but they're are just pr so a few can say they kept their promise. When will we have real change? Stop kicking the can down the road.
The House left. No vote is going to happen.
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"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
the house of representatives is the biggest fucking farce in american government. honestly, every representative is a piece of shit. it would be nice if the american people would remember what just happened when they enter the ballot box in november 2014, but we all know what is gonna happen.... people are gonna bitch and moan about the house as an entity but will still support, give money to, and vote for their own individual incumbant representative....nothing ever changes....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
the house of representatives is the biggest fucking farce in american government. honestly, every representative is a piece of shit. it would be nice if the american people would remember what just happened when they enter the ballot box in november 2014, but we all know what is gonna happen.... people are gonna bitch and moan about the house as an entity but will still support, give money to, and vote for their own individual incumbant representative....nothing ever changes....
They did not address the payroll tax increase, whatsoever. Right?
The payroll tax will go from 4.2% to 6.2%
Thats the way I read it.
I havent been able to find anything on the mortgage claim, as far as claiming interest paid.
Though they extended the child claim, looks like people will be able to still claim $1000 per child.
Also looks like they extended tuition.
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
o me, it's not about how it affects me personally as much as it is our government's inability to EVER lower its own budget and cut spending. I want to see it make meaningful cuts on its own before ANY new taxes on anyone are even mildly acceptable.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
o me, it's not about how it affects me personally as much as it is our government's inability to EVER lower its own budget and cut spending. I want to see it make meaningful cuts on its own before ANY new taxes on anyone are even mildly acceptable.
Mr. Average American making $50,000 a year, will see $20 a week less in his paycheck. $80 a month less. If Mr. Average American is married, and his wife makes the same $50,000 a year, then she too will see $80 less a month. At least that is how I am reading this, feel free to correct me if I am wrong. $160 less a month, is a BIG kick in the ass to Mr. and Mrs. Average American.
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Is the House reconvening today and taking this up for a vote or are they just going to wait for the new Congress to vote on this deal on January 3rd?
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"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Now maybe someone who is more informed than I can break it down for me. Is this going to help or hurt the American people and the economy?
GET OUT!! NO WAY!!
well of course its going to help, nothing is worse then going over the "cliff"
given that it passed by overwhelming majority, it will easily pass the house...but what do i know
Well Middle America you just got it shoved up your ass!
You will each be paying about $1000.00-$2000.00 more a year in taxes.
Great!
Just Fucking Great!
Your weekly paychecks are going to look a little different. As in smaller!
i say whats the difference whether my yearly $1000-$2000 goes to out of pocket health care costs, transportation costs, food or higher taxes...at least my tax dollars help the fight against "terrorism". i can rest easier at night knowing that a sleeper terror cell isnt going to break into my house at night slit my throat, rape by wife, hang my dogs and eat my child because of the "freedoms" i enjoy.
What a disgrace. Tax increases AND spending increases. Bravo, you spineless bastards.
Of course, it will be popular b/c most folks THINK it doesn't IMMEDIATELY impact them. But, it will and 4 Trillion (which is probably low end as the CBO tends to underestimate this stuff b/c it doesn't take into account down stream impacts) in more deficit is nothing to cheer about. Obama's 8 year debt will dwarf the entirety of the debt that preceded him. I'm just glad Biden is positioning himself as the next Democratic nominee. :roll:
Kick the can.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
It's interesting to read opinions of those who think this was a terrible deal. I think the deal was fine and about what could be expected... it's just ridiculous that it took so long for it to be voted on. I predict the market will respond well to it today, and that 2013 will be a better year than 2012 for the overall economy.
It's interesting to read opinions of those who think this was a terrible deal. I think the deal was fine and about what could be expected... it's just ridiculous that it took so long for it to be voted on. I predict the market will respond well to it today, and that 2013 will be a better year than 2012 for the overall economy.
We are under CRUSHING debt. Any positive impact on the economy will be short lived. Printing money is never a good policy.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
the us debt, the us deficit, the debt ceiling has never effected a public or private business decision, never. if someone has an example please provide it.
example: the owner of a grocery store decided not to open another store in the next town because he/she thought the us deficit was too high
a contractor thought is was a good idea to purchase a plot of land and build 12 condos on it because the us debt is skyrocketing
has the us debt, deficit or ceiling ever effected a personal decision? how so?
i will wait to sell and buy my next home until the us deficit improves
the us debt, the us deficit, the debt ceiling has never effected a public or private business decision, never. if someone has an example please provide it.
example: the owner of a grocery store decided not to open another store in the next town because he/she thought the us deficit was too high
a contractor thought is was a good idea to purchase a plot of land and build 12 condos on it because the us debt is skyrocketing
has the us debt, deficit or ceiling ever effected a personal decision? how so?
i will wait to sell and buy my next home until the us deficit improves
It doesn't directly effect anything. But, thank you for showing why we keep voting the same people in to do the same stupid stuff.
Do you think the Gov't can keep borrowing and printing money unabated and have no effect on the economy? I'll simplify it for you to a very basic economic concept:
If there are more dollar bills floating around is each individual one worth more or less than it was previously?
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
At the end of the day democrats can blame the republicans but as the leader of this country the whole fiscal cliff is all on Obama. If he had any leadership skills whatsoever this would've been resolved already.
With less than a week to go he showed there is no urgency on his part to come up with a solution. He should have never taken a vacation for Christmas instead he should've remained in Washington and worked to resolve this issue.
He spent the first term blaming Bush for the 2008 financial crisis even though it was policies implemented by clinton that ultimately caused the collapse of the financial sector which caused the crisis. Now it looks like he's going to do the same for his second, blame others instead of working to find solutions.
He has shown zero accountability throughout his first term. He is truly a amateur who is shown time and time again that he is unqualified for this job.
and yet more democratic and republican masturbation...
I am sure that it will happen, politicians care about one thing and one thing only RETAINING POWER/CONTROL.
As they arrived for a much-hyped meeting with the President last Friday afternoon, Speaker of the House John Boehner spotted House Majority Leader Harry Reid approaching just steps from the Oval Office. According to "multiple sources," Boehner pointed his finger at Reid and without any other fanfare said, "Go fuck yourself." When Reid asked him what he was talking about, Boehner simply repeated his curse and moved on.
To be fair to Boehner, just hours earlier Reid had called him a dictator on the floor of the Senate, telling the whole country in a widely-televised speech that the Speaker cared more about protecting his job than doing what was right for the American people.
why is BOehNER so angry? truth hurt?
how is gReid any different than BOehNER? "The reflection in the mirror comforts the hypocrite"
the us debt, the us deficit, the debt ceiling has never effected a public or private business decision, never. if someone has an example please provide it.
example: the owner of a grocery store decided not to open another store in the next town because he/she thought the us deficit was too high
a contractor thought is was a good idea to purchase a plot of land and build 12 condos on it because the us debt is skyrocketing
has the us debt, deficit or ceiling ever effected a personal decision? how so?
i will wait to sell and buy my next home until the us deficit improves
It doesn't directly effect anything. But, thank you for showing why we keep voting the same people in to do the same stupid stuff.
Do you think the Gov't can keep borrowing and printing money unabated and have no effect on the economy? I'll simplify it for you to a very basic economic concept:
If there are more dollar bills floating around is each individual one worth more or less than it was previously?
did u at least see my point? all this talk, debate and energy spent on federal deficit, budgets, debt ceiling and etc dont mean a damn thing to most americans, so why all the hype?
"we" speak for yourself and the rest of the "gullible and naive" voting public
its pretty apparent what borrowing and printing money does to the economy...take a look around
to obvious to answer
i think the difference between our opinions is that you for some reason think the "gov't" "lawmakers" and the fed work for the people to better the country and i think otherwise.
did u at least see my point? all this talk, debate and energy spent on federal deficit, budgets, debt ceiling and etc dont mean a damn thing to most americans, so why all the hype?
"we" speak for yourself and the rest of the "gullible and naive" voting public
its pretty apparent what borrowing and printing money does to the economy...take a look around
to obvious to answer
i think the difference between our opinions is that you for some reason think the "gov't" "lawmakers" and the fed work for the people to better the country and i think otherwise.
First - I don't think the last. I think they are supposed to, but this latest round once again proves they don't. Though, in fairness, we are unwilling to take the medicine that's necessary. So, in the end, who's to blame? Folks "celebrating" no tax increase while their next paychecks will be at least 2% lighter than their last ones. I wonder how many folks will wonder why that is.
To your first point - there are actions that would impact things directly. For example, if the mortgage deduction were done away with, housing prices would fall preciptiously, and directly impact inventories. Now, that sounds bad except houses are still overpriced relative to their actual value BECAUSE of the mortgage deduction. So, folks make decisions without knowing how legislative action effects it. But, they are making decisions none the less.
I do agree the market reaction last week and now today is silly. But, that's what the markets do. Why they even went down in the first place is beyond me. We all knew something like this was getting passed. It's also why folks like Warren Buffet are wealthy beyond our imagination. I'm guessing he made a billion over the last week watching stupid people abandon the market knowing full well they'd want back in. He probably won on both ends.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
did u at least see my point? all this talk, debate and energy spent on federal deficit, budgets, debt ceiling and etc dont mean a damn thing to most americans, so why all the hype?
"we" speak for yourself and the rest of the "gullible and naive" voting public
its pretty apparent what borrowing and printing money does to the economy...take a look around
to obvious to answer
i think the difference between our opinions is that you for some reason think the "gov't" "lawmakers" and the fed work for the people to better the country and i think otherwise.
First - I don't think the last. I think they are supposed to, but this latest round once again proves they don't. Though, in fairness, we are unwilling to take the medicine that's necessary. So, in the end, who's to blame? Folks "celebrating" no tax increase while their next paychecks will be at least 2% lighter than their last ones. I wonder how many folks will wonder why that is.
The average American family is going to be be missing $40 a week from their paychecks? The average american family is going to be missing $160 a month? Thats a car payment, thats 2 weeks worth of groceries. Yet, like you said, many are celebrating.
Thats both Mom and Dad working, each making $50K a year.
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Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
off topic but....
just one question for perspective if you would? please rank the following in order of greatest to least effecting current housing prices. there are no right or wrong sequences
mortgage deduction
current underwater mortgages
fed interest rates
current foreclosures or in process foreclosures
shadow inventory held by banks
fed foreclosure to rental program
bank bulk sales to investors
This country has become absolutely moronic in it's thinking. People praise and applaud these fools for increasing spending and increasing their taxes. People praise and applaud these fools for requiring them to be insured which is probably the most laughable one of them all. "But I can't be denied for pre-existing condition"...yes, and you also can't control the premiums you'll have to pay. So have fun being at the mercy of insurance corporations. EVERYONE (not just the evil rich) will be hit hard in the coming years, and yet the people are almost giddy about it. As a nation that has allowed itself to be placed in this position, we deserve everything we get.
This country has become absolutely moronic in it's thinking. People praise and applaud these fools for increasing spending and increasing their taxes. People praise and applaud these fools for requiring them to be insured which is probably the most laughable one of them all. "But I can't be denied for pre-existing condition"...yes, and you also can't control the premiums you'll have to pay. So have fun being at the mercy of insurance corporations. EVERYONE (not just the evil rich) will be hit hard in the coming years, and yet the people are almost giddy about it. As a nation that has allowed itself to be placed in this position, we deserve everything we get.
when did "we" control insurance premiums? when werent "we" at the mercy of the insurance corporations? what year did the shift in power take place?
you are absolutely correct when you say... we deserve everything we get.
This country has become absolutely moronic in it's thinking. People praise and applaud these fools for increasing spending and increasing their taxes. People praise and applaud these fools for requiring them to be insured which is probably the most laughable one of them all. "But I can't be denied for pre-existing condition"...yes, and you also can't control the premiums you'll have to pay. So have fun being at the mercy of insurance corporations. EVERYONE (not just the evil rich) will be hit hard in the coming years, and yet the people are almost giddy about it. As a nation that has allowed itself to be placed in this position, we deserve everything we get.
Great point. I would call our Congress/Government a complete joke, but I don't find it funny. These people are evil and their screwing us all over. ALL OF US. And it's ALL OF THEM that are doing it.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
when did "we" control insurance premiums? when werent "we" at the mercy of the insurance corporations? what year did the shift in power take place?
Never. But we did have a choice of providing or not providing...obtaining or not obtaining. So now if a company wants to charge you a $2,500 premium because you had kidney stones 3 years ago, there's nothing stopping them and you will buy it or pay the penalties. Sounds like a great time to be in the insurance business. :roll:
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"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
I hope the tax agreement is voted down if there's no significant real spending cuts. They won't effect me, but they're are just pr so a few can say they kept their promise. When will we have real change? Stop kicking the can down the road.
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
I wonder what it will bring.
Well, I can worry about so much at one time.
So in this moment, I'm gonna go with Tom Petty - "we're alright for now".
You will each be paying about $1000.00-$2000.00 more a year in taxes.
Great!
Just Fucking Great!
Your weekly paychecks are going to look a little different. As in smaller!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The payroll tax will go from 4.2% to 6.2%
Thats the way I read it.
I havent been able to find anything on the mortgage claim, as far as claiming interest paid.
Though they extended the child claim, looks like people will be able to still claim $1000 per child.
Also looks like they extended tuition.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... comboPNE_p
Now maybe someone who is more informed than I can break it down for me. Is this going to help or hurt the American people and the economy?
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
GET OUT!! NO WAY!!
well of course its going to help, nothing is worse then going over the "cliff"
given that it passed by overwhelming majority, it will easily pass the house...but what do i know
i say whats the difference whether my yearly $1000-$2000 goes to out of pocket health care costs, transportation costs, food or higher taxes...at least my tax dollars help the fight against "terrorism". i can rest easier at night knowing that a sleeper terror cell isnt going to break into my house at night slit my throat, rape by wife, hang my dogs and eat my child because of the "freedoms" i enjoy.
But wait... Reports say this won't be last fiscal cliff we face!
Seriously, this could become a trend. Awesome!
Of course, it will be popular b/c most folks THINK it doesn't IMMEDIATELY impact them. But, it will and 4 Trillion (which is probably low end as the CBO tends to underestimate this stuff b/c it doesn't take into account down stream impacts) in more deficit is nothing to cheer about. Obama's 8 year debt will dwarf the entirety of the debt that preceded him. I'm just glad Biden is positioning himself as the next Democratic nominee. :roll:
Kick the can.
We are under CRUSHING debt. Any positive impact on the economy will be short lived. Printing money is never a good policy.
example: the owner of a grocery store decided not to open another store in the next town because he/she thought the us deficit was too high
a contractor thought is was a good idea to purchase a plot of land and build 12 condos on it because the us debt is skyrocketing
has the us debt, deficit or ceiling ever effected a personal decision? how so?
i will wait to sell and buy my next home until the us deficit improves
It doesn't directly effect anything. But, thank you for showing why we keep voting the same people in to do the same stupid stuff.
Do you think the Gov't can keep borrowing and printing money unabated and have no effect on the economy? I'll simplify it for you to a very basic economic concept:
If there are more dollar bills floating around is each individual one worth more or less than it was previously?
As they arrived for a much-hyped meeting with the President last Friday afternoon, Speaker of the House John Boehner spotted House Majority Leader Harry Reid approaching just steps from the Oval Office. According to "multiple sources," Boehner pointed his finger at Reid and without any other fanfare said, "Go fuck yourself." When Reid asked him what he was talking about, Boehner simply repeated his curse and moved on.
To be fair to Boehner, just hours earlier Reid had called him a dictator on the floor of the Senate, telling the whole country in a widely-televised speech that the Speaker cared more about protecting his job than doing what was right for the American people.
why is BOehNER so angry? truth hurt?
how is gReid any different than BOehNER? "The reflection in the mirror comforts the hypocrite"
did u at least see my point? all this talk, debate and energy spent on federal deficit, budgets, debt ceiling and etc dont mean a damn thing to most americans, so why all the hype?
"we" speak for yourself and the rest of the "gullible and naive" voting public
its pretty apparent what borrowing and printing money does to the economy...take a look around
to obvious to answer
i think the difference between our opinions is that you for some reason think the "gov't" "lawmakers" and the fed work for the people to better the country and i think otherwise.
First - I don't think the last. I think they are supposed to, but this latest round once again proves they don't. Though, in fairness, we are unwilling to take the medicine that's necessary. So, in the end, who's to blame? Folks "celebrating" no tax increase while their next paychecks will be at least 2% lighter than their last ones. I wonder how many folks will wonder why that is.
To your first point - there are actions that would impact things directly. For example, if the mortgage deduction were done away with, housing prices would fall preciptiously, and directly impact inventories. Now, that sounds bad except houses are still overpriced relative to their actual value BECAUSE of the mortgage deduction. So, folks make decisions without knowing how legislative action effects it. But, they are making decisions none the less.
I do agree the market reaction last week and now today is silly. But, that's what the markets do. Why they even went down in the first place is beyond me. We all knew something like this was getting passed. It's also why folks like Warren Buffet are wealthy beyond our imagination. I'm guessing he made a billion over the last week watching stupid people abandon the market knowing full well they'd want back in. He probably won on both ends.
Thats both Mom and Dad working, each making $50K a year.
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
just one question for perspective if you would? please rank the following in order of greatest to least effecting current housing prices. there are no right or wrong sequences
mortgage deduction
current underwater mortgages
fed interest rates
current foreclosures or in process foreclosures
shadow inventory held by banks
fed foreclosure to rental program
bank bulk sales to investors
when did "we" control insurance premiums? when werent "we" at the mercy of the insurance corporations? what year did the shift in power take place?
you are absolutely correct when you say... we deserve everything we get.
Great point. I would call our Congress/Government a complete joke, but I don't find it funny. These people are evil and their screwing us all over. ALL OF US. And it's ALL OF THEM that are doing it.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Never. But we did have a choice of providing or not providing...obtaining or not obtaining. So now if a company wants to charge you a $2,500 premium because you had kidney stones 3 years ago, there's nothing stopping them and you will buy it or pay the penalties. Sounds like a great time to be in the insurance business. :roll: