Is Willie Nelson A Racist?

DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
edited January 2013 in A Moving Train
So tonight on the Piers Morgan show Piers asked Willie Nelson how Obama won the re-election? Something similar to that. I recorded the show and I'm waiting until someone posts a video link I can post but roughly Willie said because he secured "the women vote", "the black's vote", and "the Hispanic's vote". :o I seem to remember a lot of heat from the liberal media on Donald Trump when he referred to African Americans as "the blacks". :roll: Let's see if the same plays out here. :corn:
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    There was an "interesting" photo of Doanld Trump here....I will leave the members name who posted it out...but I saw that. :lol:
  • Maybe we can have this conversation after Willie Nelson demands Obama's birth certificate, passport and his college transcripts or after he tweets that the election was a total sham and it's time for a revolution.
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    He was probably high, so he gets a pass :mrgreen:
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  • klusterfukklusterfuk Posts: 1,411
    He was probably high, so he gets a pass :mrgreen:
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  • DS1119 wrote:
    So tonight on the Piers Morgan show Piers asked Willie Nelson how Obama won the re-election? Something similar to that. I recorded the show and I'm waiting until someone posts a video link I can post but roughly Willie said because he secured "the women vote", "the black's vote", and "the Hispanic's vote". :o I seem to remember a lot of heat from the liberal media on Donald Trump when he referred to African Americans as "the blacks". :roll: Let's see if the same plays out here. :corn:

    saying "the black vote" and saying "the blacks" is entirely different. you are on a fishing expedition, sir.
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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    DS1119 wrote:
    So tonight on the Piers Morgan show Piers asked Willie Nelson how Obama won the re-election? Something similar to that. I recorded the show and I'm waiting until someone posts a video link I can post but roughly Willie said because he secured "the women vote", "the black's vote", and "the Hispanic's vote". :o I seem to remember a lot of heat from the liberal media on Donald Trump when he referred to African Americans as "the blacks". :roll: Let's see if the same plays out here. :corn:

    saying "the black vote" and saying "the blacks" is entirely different. you are on a fishing expedition, sir.

    I didn't see it but yes the black vote isn't a racist statement...
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    Willie Nelson: One of my heroes! :D

    http://www.theboot.com/2010/07/07/willi ... ride-kiss/

    Willie Nelson Has Pride in Memorable Kiss

    Willie Nelson has lived through some wild and woolly days in the music business, including a time when many business execs were prejudiced not only against skin color but also against long-haired hippies or anyone who was just plain different. The outlaw legend recalls watching his buddy Charley Pride struggle to get bookings back then, even going to some pretty extreme measures at one point to support his friend when a stubborn club owner balked at letting Charley sing.

    "Charley's been treated unfairly. They didn't want him to sing there," Willie tells Parade magazine. "The owner of the club, who's a real good friend of mine, was a solid redneck, and he didn't want him there. So I kissed Charley on the mouth. I was just trying to ease the tensions a little bit."

    To Willie, that narrow-mindedness was one of Nashville's shortcomings among certain industry folks in those early days. "The executives in music were a little prejudiced and biased about someone's appearance. They never stopped to think that maybe that long-haired hippie out there might have a little talent. There are a lot of people that hate change and want to keep things the way they've always been. Nashville was one of the last places to be lenient toward the hippies and the long hairs. That's one of the things that held it back."

    Willie has long been a champion of human rights, a quality he attributes to lessons learned from a tough but solid childhood growing up picking cotton in Abbott, Texas. "Rednecks, hippies, misfits-we're all the same. Gay or straight? So what? It doesn't matter to me. We have to be concerned about other people, regardless. I don't like seeing anybody treated unfairly. It sticks in my craw. I hold on to the values from my childhood."
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    DS1119 wrote:
    So tonight on the Piers Morgan show Piers asked Willie Nelson how Obama won the re-election? Something similar to that. I recorded the show and I'm waiting until someone posts a video link I can post but roughly Willie said because he secured "the women vote", "the black's vote", and "the Hispanic's vote". :o I seem to remember a lot of heat from the liberal media on Donald Trump when he referred to African Americans as "the blacks". :roll: Let's see if the same plays out here. :corn:

    saying "the black vote" and saying "the blacks" is entirely different. you are on a fishing expedition, sir.


    Did you see the interview? I just rewatched the part and what I typed I actually misquoted. He didn't say the black vote. He said the women....pause....the blacks.....pause.....the Hispanics? If I can't find the link I'll post it on youtube and put the link here. He said nothing different than what Donald Trump said.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Maybe we can have this conversation after Willie Nelson demands Obama's birth certificate, passport and his college transcripts or after he tweets that the election was a total sham and it's time for a revolution.



    Makes sense. :?
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    klusterfuk wrote:
    He was probably high, so he gets a pass :mrgreen:
    this.
    Amen, plus I think Willie's a good guy :P
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  • DS1119 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    So tonight on the Piers Morgan show Piers asked Willie Nelson how Obama won the re-election? Something similar to that. I recorded the show and I'm waiting until someone posts a video link I can post but roughly Willie said because he secured "the women vote", "the black's vote", and "the Hispanic's vote". :o I seem to remember a lot of heat from the liberal media on Donald Trump when he referred to African Americans as "the blacks". :roll: Let's see if the same plays out here. :corn:

    saying "the black vote" and saying "the blacks" is entirely different. you are on a fishing expedition, sir.


    Did you see the interview? I just rewatched the part and what I typed I actually misquoted. He didn't say the black vote. He said the women....pause....the blacks.....pause.....the Hispanics? If I can't find the link I'll post it on youtube and put the link here. He said nothing different than what Donald Trump said.

    no, I didn't, I went by what you said. if he said that, then yes, that's a racist comment. I don't think speaking inappropriately makes one a racist. I don't think Trump is a racist either. Kinda like on Seinfeld when Morty said "I know a couple a Chinamen...", and Elaine cringes and mumbles "Asian Americans".

    But people hate Trump so they're going to jump all over him for that. And people are going to go easier on WN because of who he is, as you've seen here.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I can't see Willie being a racist. His heart seems in the right place from hearing him
    speak many times. I love him. And I would still love him if he were misguided.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    I don't think speaking inappropriately makes one a racist. I don't think Trump is a racist either.


    I seem to remember you making different comments about Donald Trump being a racist. :think:
  • DS1119 wrote:
    I don't think speaking inappropriately makes one a racist. I don't think Trump is a racist either.


    I seem to remember you making different comments about Donald Trump being a racist. :think:

    I don't think so (and if I did, we may have to take a look at it contextually). I think he's an asshole, because of all the shit he's tried to stir up with Obama, but just by simply saying "the blacks" doesn't make one racist. the same as saying something ignorant does not make the person ignorant, only their statement.
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  • here's exactly what I said DS:

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    Post by Hugh Freaking Dillon » Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:23 pm
    do you hear successful, intelligent, black men or women talking about "the whites".

    No, because everyone knows that is also racist. it was understandable in the days of minority oppression, but today? most people know better.


    where did I say Trump was a racist person? all I was speaking to was his dialogue.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/1 ... 28755.html

    Willie Nelson Talks Unlikely Friend Snoop Dogg, 'Heroes' Collaboration

    AUSTIN, Texas -- When Snoop Dogg passed through Willie Nelson's neck of the woods during South By Southwest in March, he took some time to pay tribute to his unlikely friend.

    He regaled reporters with mostly NSFW stories about time the pair spent together in Amsterdam, sharing their mutual love of music, marijuana and fried chicken. The always lighthearted Snoop also got serious when talking about his friendship with Nelson and the 79-year-old singer's unique role as a musical ambassador.

    "When I first met him you would think he was a hip-hop artist because he showed love to me as if I was in his world and I never made country music or none of that, but he understood who I was," Snoop said. "And it drove me to make country music. I made a couple of country records and was a part of his album and went to the Country Music Awards and worked with Brad Paisley, went to Johnny Cash's house. I was getting heavy into it and finding country music is a form of hip-hop music. It's the same thing. We're the same people. Don't let the rhythm fool you. It's the same game."

    The feeling is mutual, which is why Nelson included Snoop on his newest album, "Heroes," a collection of songs sung with Nelson's musical heroes that came out this month. The 40-year-old rapper is the only musician on the album not connected to country music in some way.

    "I just like the guy personally and his music is great," Nelson said. "I'm not a big rapper-type fan, but I know he's great because he's already a legend and he's not that old, and there's a lot of people out there who are huge Snoop fans. He and I have a lot in common because we both smoke a little dope together now and then. Mainly we like to get together and play a little music and hang out any chance we get."

    Others who appear with Nelson on the 14-track album include Ray Price, Merle Haggard, Billy Joe Shaver and Sheryl Crow. Nelson and Snoop Dogg are joined by Kris Kristofferson and Jamey Johnson on "Roll Me Up," one of three songs Nelson wrote or co-wrote. And Nelson and Haggard recast "A Horse Called Music." He also covers songs by Tom Waits, Coldplay and Pearl Jam.

    That list also includes Nelson's son, Lukas, who appears on more than half the songs on the Buddy Cannon-produced album. The two have recorded together before, but never so extensively.

    "It's kind of the first time it happened with us," Lukas Nelson said. "It was cool. It was exciting for me, at least. This was nice to be a part of."
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    DS1119 wrote:
    I don't think speaking inappropriately makes one a racist. I don't think Trump is a racist either.


    I seem to remember you making different comments about Donald Trump being a racist. :think:

    I don't think so (and if I did, we may have to take a look at it contextually). I think he's an asshole, because of all the shit he's tried to stir up with Obama, but just by simply saying "the blacks" doesn't make one racist. the same as saying something ignorant does not make the person ignorant, only their statement.


    Certainly not the context of the thread by any stretch of the imagination.



    This is a double standard by the liberal media. One guy gets called a racist for saying "the blacks" and the other gets a pass. Comical but sad.
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Comical but sad.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Comical but sad.
    That's why I'm here on the AMT, to help.


    :wave:
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    maybe he is a racist but then again maybe he isnt...thank you, good night
  • DS1119 wrote:

    Certainly not the context of the thread by any stretch of the imagination.



    This is a double standard by the liberal media. One guy gets called a racist for saying "the blacks" and the other gets a pass. Comical but sad.

    I'm not sure what you mean by your first statement.

    But don't you think the person's history is taken into consideration at all? A drugged out hippie saying something stupid? Gee, that's news! :lol: But someone who is deliberately calling out your black president for numerous racially motivated things, already looking in the eyes of the public like a racist, and then says that. You don't think there's a reason why one is raked over the coals and one is not? Come on.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    DS1119 wrote:

    Certainly not the context of the thread by any stretch of the imagination.



    This is a double standard by the liberal media. One guy gets called a racist for saying "the blacks" and the other gets a pass. Comical but sad.

    I'm not sure what you mean by your first statement.

    But don't you think the person's history is taken into consideration at all? A drugged out hippie saying something stupid? Gee, that's news! :lol: But someone who is deliberately calling out your black president for numerous racially motivated things, already looking in the eyes of the public like a racist, and then says that. You don't think there's a reason why one is raked over the coals and one is not? Come on.


    Nope not at all. Double standard. And anyone who think Trump was going after Oblahblah because he's African American is ridiculous.
  • gabersgabers Posts: 2,787
    I'm assuming the OP is trying to get a reaction. Right? Willie's a lot of things, but a racist ain't one of them. He's an old man. He probably just recently stopped calling black folks "colored". :)
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    gabers wrote:
    I'm assuming the OP is trying to get a reaction. Right? Willie's a lot of things, but a racist ain't one of them. He's an old man. He probably just recently stopped calling black folks "colored". :)



    Willie Nelson is 79. Donald Trump 66 years old.
  • gabers wrote:
    I'm assuming the OP is trying to get a reaction. Right?

    yep
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    Seeing Willie Nelson and Family at the Dixon County fair a few years ago was one of my favorite shows EVER! Right up there with Jimi Hendrix at Winterland in 1970 and Pearl Jam in Missoula 9/30/12. His book THE TOA OF WILLIE- a great book!
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    Oh, and Neil Young and Crazy Horse!

    I don't know how accurate this is, but I've read that Willie Nelson, Jimi Hendrix and Neil Young all have this in common: Cherokee in their blood. Imagine if they all had been able to get together and jam. It would have been AWSOME! :mrgreen:
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  • willie doesnt seem to me to be a democrat or a republican. I very much think he is a left winger, but I doubt he is into electoral politics. I seem to remember didnt he vote for kucinich in 2008?

    And it makes sense. I doubt he liked either Romney or Obama. I think it has more to do with the fact that Obama isnt left wing, than anything else. Obama is a centrist right democrat.

    And Obama isnt pro-legalization of pot. If anything he supports the drug war, and would be for imprisoning more people on phony "caught with 12 joints" charges. Obama isnt out to legalize any drugs. Willie has also been antiwar since the the beginning. Makes sense why he would dislike Obama, as Obama is anything but antiwar. And Willie has been big about alternative fuels and biodeisal. Obama has done little to address this issue. WIllie has been supportive of Native American rights and has called for Peltier to be released from prison. Obama like Clinton and Bush before him, hasnt pardoned Peltier. Finally, even though Obama, if im not mistaken introduced Neil at Farm Aid, Obama has done little to address the families losing their farms, farms being foreclosed on, factory farms causing the closing of smaller family farms.

    Willies an activist. Always has been. Its silly to suggest anyone who has a beef with obama, and the majority of americans have legitimate beefs with him, cant feel the way they feel without being labeled a racist. Its an absurd notion. Obama isnt radical, and thats the problem.
  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    brianlux wrote:
    Seeing Willie Nelson and Family at the Dixon County fair a few years ago was one of my favorite shows EVER! Right up there with Jimi Hendrix at Winterland in 1970 and Pearl Jam in Missoula 9/30/12. His book THE TOA OF WILLIE- a great book!

    My dad went to a holiday party a few years back where they had a surprise guest and it turned out to be Willie! My dad didn't know much about him or his music but said it was one of his favorite shows he's ever seen too. :)
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    brianlux wrote:
    Seeing Willie Nelson and Family at the Dixon County fair a few years ago was one of my favorite shows EVER! Right up there with Jimi Hendrix at Winterland in 1970 and Pearl Jam in Missoula 9/30/12. His book THE TOA OF WILLIE- a great book!

    My dad went to a holiday party a few years back where they had a surprise guest and it turned out to be Willie! My dad didn't know much about him or his music but said it was one of his favorite shows he's ever seen too. :)

    Fantastic!

    Here's a new one from Snoop and Willie- gotta love this- "Roll me up and smoke me when I die". :mrgreen:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcUmZCEnds0
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