what's with all the videos & stuff that say this didn't happen? what's with all the bad acting from some of the people telling their bullshit stories on the news. i mean, i watched some of these videos & it truly is shocking how bad the acting is.
Where was the .45?
1 Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15 rifle with a 30-round magazine
1 Glock 10mm handgun
1 9mm Sig Sauer P226 handgun
1 Saiga 12 shotgun with two magazines containing 70 rounds
1 Enfield Albian bolt-action .323 rifle
1 Savage Mark II .22 caliber rifle with magazine, 3 live rounds, 1 spent cartridge
1 black marksman BB gun
They found .45 rounds at the home... where was the gun?
Sold? Stolen?
And what about this? This is disturbing.
1 Saiga 12 guage shotgun with two magazines containing 70 rounds
That's a Streetsweeper and capable of doing a lot of damage in a short period.
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Many, and I mean -many- people have that much (and more) crap at home.
Really... this is only unusual because he didn't live in the south, IMO.
You CANNOT blame the weapon, you MUST blame the person that holds the weapon. Surely this list of stuff reiterates that point.
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Who is blaming the guns?
The person with the authority was the 27th victim... Mrs. Lanza.
The fact that all of these weapons were unsecured in a home with a mentally ill young man... is that what the definition of a 'responsible' gun owner is? I'm guessing your answer is going to be, 'No'.
Also... was Adam Lanza a responsible gun owner... before he shot his mom in the face?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Many, and I mean -many- people have that much (and more) crap at home.
Really... this is only unusual because he didn't live in the south, IMO.
You CANNOT blame the weapon, you MUST blame the person that holds the weapon. Surely this list of stuff reiterates that point.
...
Who is blaming the guns?
The person with the authority was the 27th victim... Mrs. Lanza.
The fact that all of these weapons were unsecured in a home with a mentally ill young man... is that what the definition of a 'responsible' gun owner is? I'm guessing your answer is going to be, 'No'.
Also... was Adam Lanza a responsible gun owner... before he shot his mom in the face?
I know more about this type of situation than most people do. I Promise.
let's ask everyone this: how could anyone establish that adam lanza shouldn't buy/hold/be anywhere in 100 yards of a gun? What criteria did he meet? Anyone? Oh, that's right... there's nothing.
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Search warrants released Thursday laid bare the extent of Newtown school massacre suspect Adam Lanza's arsenal. Here is a catalog of the weaponry found at the school where 20 children and six staffers were killed and at the home he shared with his mother, who was also murdered:
At the school:
1 Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15 rifle with a 30-round magazine
1 Glock 10mm handgun
1 9mm Sig Sauer P226 handgun
1 Saiga 12 shotgun with two magazines containing 70 rounds
6 30-round magazines, three of them emptied
At the home:
Guns:
1 Enfield Albian bolt-action .323 rifle
1 Savage Mark II .22 caliber rifle with magazine, 3 live rounds, 1 spent cartridge
1 black marksman BB gun
Ammunition:
5 Winchester 12-gauge shotgun shells cut open, with buckshot
1 white plastic bag with 30 Winchester 12-gauge shotgun shells
1 can with .22 caliber and .45 caliber bullets
8 boxes of Winchester Windcat .22 caliber bullets, 50 rounds per box
20 "Estate" 12-gauge shotgun shells
4 boxes of SB buckshot 12-gauge, 10 round per box
1 box of Lightfield 12-gauge slugs
1 box of 20 Prvi Partizan 303 British rifle cartridges
1 box of 20 Federal 303 British rifle cartridges
2 boxes of .22 long rifle Blazer rounds, 50 each box
1 box with numerous rounds of Winchester .45 caliber bullets
2 boxes of 50 rounds of PPU .45 caliber automatic
1 box of 20 rounds for Remington .223 caliber
3 boxes of Blazer 40 S&W, 50 rounds each
2 boxes of Winchester 5.56 mm, 20 rounds each
1 box of Magtech 45ACP with 30 rounds
1 empty Box of SSA 5.56 mm
1 box of Fiocchi .45 auto with 48 rounds
80 rounds of CCI .22 long rifle
6 boxes of PMC .223 rem, 20 rounds each
6 Winchester 9 pellet buckshot shells, 12-gauge
2 Remington 12-gauge slugs
3 Winchester .223 rifle rounds
31 .22 caliber rounds
2 boxes of Underwood 10 mm auto, each with 50 rounds
130 rounds of Lawman 9mm Luger
2 spent shell casings for Glock 10mm
1 empty box of Gold Dot 9mm Luger
2 empty boxes of Winchester 9mm Luger
1 box of Underwood 10mm auto with 34 rounds
1 box of 29 miscellaneous 9mm rounds
1 spent .22 shell casing
1 small plastic bag containing numerous .22 caliber bullets
1 tan bag with numerous Blazer .45 caliber bullets
1 box of Blazer .22 long rifle with 50 rounds
1 box PPU 303 British cartridges with 9 rounds
2 Winchester 9mm rounds
2 brass-colored shell casings
1 small caliber bullet (live round) labeled C
Magazines:
1 Promag 20-round 12-gauge drum magazine
1 MD Arms 20-round 12 gauge drum magazine
3 AGP Arms 12-gauge shotgun magazines
1 Surefire GunMag magazine with 8 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge, 9-pellet buckshot
2 AGP Arms 12-gauge shotgun magazines, taped together, each with 10 rounds of Winchester 9-pellet buckshot
2 empty Ram Line magazines for Ruger 10-22
1 AGP Arms Gen 2 12-gauge shotgun magazine with 10 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge, 9-pellet buckshot
1 clear plastic Ramline magazine for an AR 15
1 magazine with 10 rounds of .223 bullets
Knives:
Metal bayonet
1 6-foot-10-inch wood-handled two-sided pole with a blade on one side and a spear on the other
1 Samurai sword with a 28-inch blade and sheath
1 Samurai sword with a 21-inch blade and a sheath
1 Samurai sword with a 13-inch blade and sheath
1 knife with a 12-inch blade and sheath
1 wooden-handle knife with a 7.5-inch blade and sheath
1 wooden-handle knife with a 10-inch blade
1 knife with a 5.5-inch blade and sheath
1 black-handled knife with a 7-inch blade and sheath
1 black rubber-handled knife with 9.5-inch blade and sheath
1 white and brown-handled knife with 5-inch blade and sheath
1 brown wood-handled knife with a 10.25-inch blade
1 Panther brown-handled folding knife with a 3.75 inch blade
1 small blue folding knife
Gear:
1 Volcanic .22 starter pistol wth 5 live rounds and 1 expended round
Leightning L3 ear protection
Peltor ear plugs
Simmons binoculars
Uncle Mike's Sidekick nylon holster
Box for vest accessories
Leather dual magazine holder
Black leather handgun holster
High Sierra fanny pack
Numerous paper targets
1 cardboard targets
1 Bushnell sport view rifle scope
Plastic bag of miscellaneous parts
Safariland holster paperwork
Glock handgun manual
MD-20 20-round shotgun magazine manual
MD Arms V-Plug guide
Bushmaster XM15 and C15 instruction manual
Savage Arms bolt-action rifle manual
Glock paperwork
Miscellaneous:
Adam Lanza's National Rifle Association certificate
Nancy Lanza's NRA certificate
Three photographs with images of what appear to be a deceased human covered with plastic and what appears to be blood
Holiday card with a check from Nancy Lanza to Adam Lanza for purchase of C183 firearm
1 digital print of a child and various fireaems
1 military-style uniform
Handwritten notes with addresses of local gun shops
Receipts and emails documenting firearm and ammunition supplies
Blue folder labeled “guns” with receipts and paperwork
New York Times article on a 2008 shooting at Northern Illinois Unversity
Books:
“Look me in the Eye: My Life with Asperger’s;” “Born on a Blue Day: Inside the Mind of an Autistic Savant;” “NRA Guide to Basics of Pistol Shooting;” “Train Your Brain to Get Happy”
1 Seagate Barracuda 500gb hard drive, damaged
1 custom-built desktop computer, no hard drive
1 Microsoft Xbox with partially obliterated serial number
One cotton swab of blood-like substance
1 tan sheet with blood-like substance
1 tan fitted sheet with blood-like substance
1 striped towel with blood-like substance
so very glad it didnt end up worse that it ended up being. 6 30-round magazines, three of them emptied
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let's ask everyone this: how could anyone establish that adam lanza shouldn't buy/hold/be anywhere in 100 yards of a gun? What criteria did he meet? Anyone? Oh, that's right... there's nothing.
His Aspergers has gotten much attention. You would think that might be enough to legally prevent him from obtaining a firearm. In Lanza's case it does not seem too hard to establish the criteria.
Search warrants released Thursday laid bare the extent of Newtown school massacre suspect Adam Lanza's arsenal. Here is a catalog of the weaponry found at the school where 20 children and six staffers were killed and at the home he shared with his mother, who was also murdered:
At the school:
1 Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15 rifle with a 30-round magazine
1 Glock 10mm handgun
1 9mm Sig Sauer P226 handgun
1 Saiga 12 shotgun with two magazines containing 70 rounds
6 30-round magazines, three of them emptied
At the home:
Guns:
1 Enfield Albian bolt-action .323 rifle
1 Savage Mark II .22 caliber rifle with magazine, 3 live rounds, 1 spent cartridge
1 black marksman BB gun
Ammunition:
5 Winchester 12-gauge shotgun shells cut open, with buckshot
1 white plastic bag with 30 Winchester 12-gauge shotgun shells
1 can with .22 caliber and .45 caliber bullets
8 boxes of Winchester Windcat .22 caliber bullets, 50 rounds per box
20 "Estate" 12-gauge shotgun shells
4 boxes of SB buckshot 12-gauge, 10 round per box
1 box of Lightfield 12-gauge slugs
1 box of 20 Prvi Partizan 303 British rifle cartridges
1 box of 20 Federal 303 British rifle cartridges
2 boxes of .22 long rifle Blazer rounds, 50 each box
1 box with numerous rounds of Winchester .45 caliber bullets
2 boxes of 50 rounds of PPU .45 caliber automatic
1 box of 20 rounds for Remington .223 caliber
3 boxes of Blazer 40 S&W, 50 rounds each
2 boxes of Winchester 5.56 mm, 20 rounds each
1 box of Magtech 45ACP with 30 rounds
1 empty Box of SSA 5.56 mm
1 box of Fiocchi .45 auto with 48 rounds
80 rounds of CCI .22 long rifle
6 boxes of PMC .223 rem, 20 rounds each
6 Winchester 9 pellet buckshot shells, 12-gauge
2 Remington 12-gauge slugs
3 Winchester .223 rifle rounds
31 .22 caliber rounds
2 boxes of Underwood 10 mm auto, each with 50 rounds
130 rounds of Lawman 9mm Luger
2 spent shell casings for Glock 10mm
1 empty box of Gold Dot 9mm Luger
2 empty boxes of Winchester 9mm Luger
1 box of Underwood 10mm auto with 34 rounds
1 box of 29 miscellaneous 9mm rounds
1 spent .22 shell casing
1 small plastic bag containing numerous .22 caliber bullets
1 tan bag with numerous Blazer .45 caliber bullets
1 box of Blazer .22 long rifle with 50 rounds
1 box PPU 303 British cartridges with 9 rounds
2 Winchester 9mm rounds
2 brass-colored shell casings
1 small caliber bullet (live round) labeled C
Magazines:
1 Promag 20-round 12-gauge drum magazine
1 MD Arms 20-round 12 gauge drum magazine
3 AGP Arms 12-gauge shotgun magazines
1 Surefire GunMag magazine with 8 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge, 9-pellet buckshot
2 AGP Arms 12-gauge shotgun magazines, taped together, each with 10 rounds of Winchester 9-pellet buckshot
2 empty Ram Line magazines for Ruger 10-22
1 AGP Arms Gen 2 12-gauge shotgun magazine with 10 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge, 9-pellet buckshot
1 clear plastic Ramline magazine for an AR 15
1 magazine with 10 rounds of .223 bullets
Knives:
Metal bayonet
1 6-foot-10-inch wood-handled two-sided pole with a blade on one side and a spear on the other
1 Samurai sword with a 28-inch blade and sheath
1 Samurai sword with a 21-inch blade and a sheath
1 Samurai sword with a 13-inch blade and sheath
1 knife with a 12-inch blade and sheath
1 wooden-handle knife with a 7.5-inch blade and sheath
1 wooden-handle knife with a 10-inch blade
1 knife with a 5.5-inch blade and sheath
1 black-handled knife with a 7-inch blade and sheath
1 black rubber-handled knife with 9.5-inch blade and sheath
1 white and brown-handled knife with 5-inch blade and sheath
1 brown wood-handled knife with a 10.25-inch blade
1 Panther brown-handled folding knife with a 3.75 inch blade
1 small blue folding knife
Gear:
1 Volcanic .22 starter pistol wth 5 live rounds and 1 expended round
Leightning L3 ear protection
Peltor ear plugs
Simmons binoculars
Uncle Mike's Sidekick nylon holster
Box for vest accessories
Leather dual magazine holder
Black leather handgun holster
High Sierra fanny pack
Numerous paper targets
1 cardboard targets
1 Bushnell sport view rifle scope
Plastic bag of miscellaneous parts
Safariland holster paperwork
Glock handgun manual
MD-20 20-round shotgun magazine manual
MD Arms V-Plug guide
Bushmaster XM15 and C15 instruction manual
Savage Arms bolt-action rifle manual
Glock paperwork
Miscellaneous:
Adam Lanza's National Rifle Association certificate
Nancy Lanza's NRA certificate
Three photographs with images of what appear to be a deceased human covered with plastic and what appears to be blood
Holiday card with a check from Nancy Lanza to Adam Lanza for purchase of C183 firearm
1 digital print of a child and various fireaems
1 military-style uniform
Handwritten notes with addresses of local gun shops
Receipts and emails documenting firearm and ammunition supplies
Blue folder labeled “guns” with receipts and paperwork
New York Times article on a 2008 shooting at Northern Illinois Unversity
Books:
“Look me in the Eye: My Life with Asperger’s;” “Born on a Blue Day: Inside the Mind of an Autistic Savant;” “NRA Guide to Basics of Pistol Shooting;” “Train Your Brain to Get Happy”
1 Seagate Barracuda 500gb hard drive, damaged
1 custom-built desktop computer, no hard drive
1 Microsoft Xbox with partially obliterated serial number
One cotton swab of blood-like substance
1 tan sheet with blood-like substance
1 tan fitted sheet with blood-like substance
1 striped towel with blood-like substance
Yeah, I heard this too. So, if this arsenal was in the mother's house, how is she only a victim???
The mother is not a victim in the same sense as those who were killed at the school. She is certainly culpable for not only allowing but encouraging him to stockpile weapons. But her last moments were filled with the sight of her son changing into a monster and opening fire. That is a bad way to go.
let's ask everyone this: how could anyone establish that adam lanza shouldn't buy/hold/be anywhere in 100 yards of a gun? What criteria did he meet? Anyone? Oh, that's right... there's nothing.
His Aspergers has gotten much attention. You would think that might be enough to legally prevent him from obtaining a firearm. In Lanza's case it does not seem too hard to establish the criteria.
Excerpt that ignores the fact that the majority of people with Aspergers are not violent. There was more to this guy but I don't know what.
let's ask everyone this: how could anyone establish that adam lanza shouldn't buy/hold/be anywhere in 100 yards of a gun? What criteria did he meet? Anyone? Oh, that's right... there's nothing.
His Aspergers has gotten much attention. You would think that might be enough to legally prevent him from obtaining a firearm. In Lanza's case it does not seem too hard to establish the criteria.
Excerpt that ignores the fact that the majority of people with Aspergers are not violent. There was more to this guy but I don't know what.
Are they not violent or are they not violent yet? (I am asking not implying the answer is the latter. I really do not know.)
And yes, there was much more to this guy. Aspergers or no, there were other factors that led him to commit these crimes.
Excerpt that ignores the fact that the majority of people with Aspergers are not violent. There was more to this guy but I don't know what.
Are they not violent or are they not violent yet? (I am asking not implying the answer is the latter. I really do not know.)
And yes, there was much more to this guy. Aspergers or no, there were other factors that led him to commit these crimes.
I think Aspergers is a catch-all term for people who are on the autism spectrum. They have difficulty with interpersonal skills but so do some people who aren't autistic. And by difficulty, I mean things like making eye contact and ability to function in social situations. They are usually highly interested in some limited, specific areas. I worked with a young man who had trouble carrying on an ordinary conversation but was an encyclopedia of sports information. A young woman I worked with was intelligent and had the ability to learn lots of facts but had difficulty applying them to real life. She regularly said completely inappropriate things to clients and co-workers.
I'm no expert but the young man I mentioned was my client. I was a vocational counselor and was trying to help him prepare for employment. I had to learn a little about Aspergers while working with him. My knowledge is limited but I never got any impression that I should be concerned about prospective violence just because someone has an Aspergers diagnosis.
Also, Aspergers has been a catch-all diagnosis for many years. I think now doctors try to determine where someone is on the autism spectrum.
i like good high quality made knives & swords; am i a nutjob for owning many? i have enough actually but i would like more because it is what i like. that list means almost nothing to me. i am sorry if that is harsh or whatever but it is the truth. i know a lot of people who own, deal & collect firearms as a hobby & whatnot. some of them even reload their own shells. that is a pretty hardcore weapons fanatic. they are actually the safest & most educated people i've ever known when it comes to firearms
Excerpt that ignores the fact that the majority of people with Aspergers are not violent. There was more to this guy but I don't know what.
Are they not violent or are they not violent yet? (I am asking not implying the answer is the latter. I really do not know.)
And yes, there was much more to this guy. Aspergers or no, there were other factors that led him to commit these crimes.
I think Aspergers is a catch-all term for people who are on the autism spectrum. They have difficulty with interpersonal skills but so do some people who aren't autistic. And by difficulty, I mean things like making eye contact and ability to function in social situations. They are usually highly interested in some limited, specific areas. I worked with a young man who had trouble carrying on an ordinary conversation but was an encyclopedia of sports information. A young woman I worked with was intelligent and had the ability to learn lots of facts but had difficulty applying them to real life. She regularly said completely inappropriate things to clients and co-workers.
I'm no expert but the young man I mentioned was my client. I was a vocational counselor and was trying to help him prepare for employment. I had to learn a little about Aspergers while working with him. My knowledge is limited but I never got any impression that I should be concerned about prospective violence just because someone has an Aspergers diagnosis.
Also, Aspergers has been a catch-all diagnosis for many years. I think now doctors try to determine where someone is on the autism spectrum.
It is sad because so many of these people will never enjoy what you or I might consider a normal life. But I do think there is an open question whether, once you have been diagnosed with a condition like this, whether you should have access to firearms the way Lanza did. I hate to further ostracize these people but it is a discussion worth having.
It is sad because so many of these people will never enjoy what you or I might consider a normal life. But I do think there is an open question whether, once you have been diagnosed with a condition like this, whether you should have access to firearms the way Lanza did. I hate to further ostracize these people but it is a discussion worth having.
I agree and I would hate to single people out with suspicions. I wish there would be more investigation into the things which cause people to be violent this way. It seems when something like this happens, there's a lot of talk about something being done then everybody backs away from it.
let's ask everyone this: how could anyone establish that adam lanza shouldn't buy/hold/be anywhere in 100 yards of a gun? What criteria did he meet? Anyone? Oh, that's right... there's nothing.
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I'll play: How could anyone establish that adam lanza shouldn't buy/hold/be anywhere in 100 yards of a gun?
How about an increased background check? Maybe one that would figure out whether or not he needed a more thorough investigation... which may have to include a check on his mental capacities.
What criteria did he meet?
He met the criteria by having the cash on hand and no criminal record. That is good enough to legally buy a gun, right?
Anyone?
Me.
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let's ask everyone this: how could anyone establish that adam lanza shouldn't buy/hold/be anywhere in 100 yards of a gun? What criteria did he meet? Anyone? Oh, that's right... there's nothing.
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I'll play: How could anyone establish that adam lanza shouldn't buy/hold/be anywhere in 100 yards of a gun?
How about an increased background check? Maybe one that would figure out whether or not he needed a more thorough investigation... which may have to include a check on his mental capacities.
What criteria did he meet?
He met the criteria by having the cash on hand and no criminal record. That is good enough to legally buy a gun, right?
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I think it is relatively simple... establish a ring of security precautions.
A background check for criminal records and a basic apptitude test.
Fail the criminal background and you are denied... fail the aptitude tests and it triggers other requirements... maybe tests for emotional stability, anger issues, whatever.
Just something that will make it tough for mentally unstable people to buy guns. He is still going to be unstable, but if he comes at me with a baseball bat, i can take that bat away from him and beat his ass with it... but, if he come at me with a Streetsweeper... I'm dead.
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And yeah... crazy people will still be able to get guns... let's at least make it harder for them to get one other than having enough dollars in their pockets.
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Do we think that Frankenstein was a victim of his monster or do we think he was an idiot who committed suicide by creating a monster that killed him and a bunch of people?
Just glad that the gun lunatic lobby has her as their poster girl. A batshit crazy gun lover who created her own monster.
Is she a victim? Yeah. Of her own stupidity. So I vote 26. We shouldn't shed a tear for her. She got what she deserved, if you ask me.
Do we think that Frankenstein was a victim of his monster or do we think he was an idiot who committed suicide by creating a monster that killed him and a bunch of people?
Just glad that the gun lunatic lobby has her as their poster girl. A batshit crazy gun lover who created her own monster.
Is she a victim? Yeah. Of her own stupidity. So I vote 26.
pretty much dead on
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Its been over 3 months so where is the toxicology report, what exactly was this kid taking before he went on this rampage? I'm guessing the same reason the list of medication seized from James Holmes apartment has never been released.
Its been over 3 months so where is the toxicology report, what exactly was this kid taking before he went on this rampage? I'm guessing the same reason the list of medication seized from James Holmes apartment has never been released.
What's that reason?
People are funny. Drugs that a few lunatics take help hundreds of thousands of people and all of a sudden those drugs are the problem. Could it possibly be that people with issues are taking drugs and they would have done it regardless? How about the fact that this kid was a raging lunatic in the first place and there were 842 warning signs
Its been over 3 months so where is the toxicology report, what exactly was this kid taking before he went on this rampage? I'm guessing the same reason the list of medication seized from James Holmes apartment has never been released.
Yeah. Let's blame ADHD medicine. That's a good idea.
Do we think that Frankenstein was a victim of his monster or do we think he was an idiot who committed suicide by creating a monster that killed him and a bunch of people?
Just glad that the gun lunatic lobby has her as their poster girl. A batshit crazy gun lover who created her own monster.
Is she a victim? Yeah. Of her own stupidity. So I vote 26. We shouldn't shed a tear for her. She got what she deserved, if you ask me.
she got what she deserved? are you kidding me???
... she was a victim. her son murdered her. he didnt kill her in self defence. it sickens me that there are people who have turned on the mother.. as if it were she who pulled the trigger that murdered those at sandy hook. did she teach her son to go on deadly rampages? no. did she encourage him to do so? no. one must be held responsible for ones own actions. in this case.. adam lanza is responsible for those deaths(including that of his mother). no one else.
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... she was a victim. her son murdered her. he didnt kill her in self defence. it sickens me that there are people who have turned on the mother.. as if it were she who pulled the trigger that murdered those at sandy hook. did she teach her son to go on deadly rampages? no. did she encourage him to do so? no. one must be held responsible for ones own actions. in this case.. adam lanza is responsible for those deaths(including that of his mother). no one else.
If she had not encouraged her son to take-up collecting firearms, if she herself had not been a gun lover, would those children still be alive today? Would she? I think you could make a convincing case that the answer to both questions is yes.
As I said earlier, she is not a victim in the same sense that those children and their teachers are victims. But having her last moments be filled the sight of her son turning into a monster and opening fire is an awful way to go. Did she deserve that? I don't know. It is hard to say anyone deserves that.
... she was a victim. her son murdered her. he didnt kill her in self defence. it sickens me that there are people who have turned on the mother.. as if it were she who pulled the trigger that murdered those at sandy hook. did she teach her son to go on deadly rampages? no. did she encourage him to do so? no. one must be held responsible for ones own actions. in this case.. adam lanza is responsible for those deaths(including that of his mother). no one else.
If she had not encouraged her son to take-up collecting firearms, if she herself had not been a gun lover, would those children still be alive today? Would she? I think you could make a convincing case that the answer to both questions is yes.
As I said earlier, she is not a victim in the same sense that those children and their teachers are victims. But having her last moments be filled the sight of her son turning into a monster and opening fire is an awful way to go. Did she deserve that? I don't know. It is hard to say anyone deserves that.
if... if... if... supposition.
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... she was a victim. her son murdered her. he didnt kill her in self defence. it sickens me that there are people who have turned on the mother.. as if it were she who pulled the trigger that murdered those at sandy hook. did she teach her son to go on deadly rampages? no. did she encourage him to do so? no. one must be held responsible for ones own actions. in this case.. adam lanza is responsible for those deaths(including that of his mother). no one else.
If she had not encouraged her son to take-up collecting firearms, if she herself had not been a gun lover, would those children still be alive today? Would she? I think you could make a convincing case that the answer to both questions is yes.
As I said earlier, she is not a victim in the same sense that those children and their teachers are victims. But having her last moments be filled the sight of her son turning into a monster and opening fire is an awful way to go. Did she deserve that? I don't know. It is hard to say anyone deserves that.
if... if... if... supposition.
Her behavior left a lot of questions. Hard to feel completely sympathetic.
If she had not encouraged her son to take-up collecting firearms, if she herself had not been a gun lover, would those children still be alive today? Would she? I think you could make a convincing case that the answer to both questions is yes.
As I said earlier, she is not a victim in the same sense that those children and their teachers are victims. But having her last moments be filled the sight of her son turning into a monster and opening fire is an awful way to go. Did she deserve that? I don't know. It is hard to say anyone deserves that.
if... if... if... supposition.
Her behavior left a lot of questions. Hard to feel completely sympathetic.
a lot of questions that wont be answered cause her son shot her dead.
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Her behavior left a lot of questions. Hard to feel completely sympathetic.
a lot of questions that wont be answered cause her son shot her dead.
With guns she brought into the home. With guns she trained her son to use. You can call it supposition but I believe those children would still be alive today if she had not armed him to the teeth.
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1 Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15 rifle with a 30-round magazine
1 Glock 10mm handgun
1 9mm Sig Sauer P226 handgun
1 Saiga 12 shotgun with two magazines containing 70 rounds
1 Enfield Albian bolt-action .323 rifle
1 Savage Mark II .22 caliber rifle with magazine, 3 live rounds, 1 spent cartridge
1 black marksman BB gun
They found .45 rounds at the home... where was the gun?
Sold? Stolen?
And what about this? This is disturbing.
1 Saiga 12 guage shotgun with two magazines containing 70 rounds
That's a Streetsweeper and capable of doing a lot of damage in a short period.
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Really... this is only unusual because he didn't live in the south, IMO.
You CANNOT blame the weapon, you MUST blame the person that holds the weapon. Surely this list of stuff reiterates that point.
Who is blaming the guns?
The person with the authority was the 27th victim... Mrs. Lanza.
The fact that all of these weapons were unsecured in a home with a mentally ill young man... is that what the definition of a 'responsible' gun owner is? I'm guessing your answer is going to be, 'No'.
Also... was Adam Lanza a responsible gun owner... before he shot his mom in the face?
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let's ask everyone this: how could anyone establish that adam lanza shouldn't buy/hold/be anywhere in 100 yards of a gun? What criteria did he meet? Anyone? Oh, that's right... there's nothing.
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His Aspergers has gotten much attention. You would think that might be enough to legally prevent him from obtaining a firearm. In Lanza's case it does not seem too hard to establish the criteria.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Yeah, I heard this too. So, if this arsenal was in the mother's house, how is she only a victim???
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Are they not violent or are they not violent yet? (I am asking not implying the answer is the latter. I really do not know.)
And yes, there was much more to this guy. Aspergers or no, there were other factors that led him to commit these crimes.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I'm no expert but the young man I mentioned was my client. I was a vocational counselor and was trying to help him prepare for employment. I had to learn a little about Aspergers while working with him. My knowledge is limited but I never got any impression that I should be concerned about prospective violence just because someone has an Aspergers diagnosis.
Also, Aspergers has been a catch-all diagnosis for many years. I think now doctors try to determine where someone is on the autism spectrum.
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It is sad because so many of these people will never enjoy what you or I might consider a normal life. But I do think there is an open question whether, once you have been diagnosed with a condition like this, whether you should have access to firearms the way Lanza did. I hate to further ostracize these people but it is a discussion worth having.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I'll play:
How could anyone establish that adam lanza shouldn't buy/hold/be anywhere in 100 yards of a gun?
How about an increased background check? Maybe one that would figure out whether or not he needed a more thorough investigation... which may have to include a check on his mental capacities.
What criteria did he meet?
He met the criteria by having the cash on hand and no criminal record. That is good enough to legally buy a gun, right?
Anyone?
Me.
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I think it is relatively simple... establish a ring of security precautions.
A background check for criminal records and a basic apptitude test.
Fail the criminal background and you are denied... fail the aptitude tests and it triggers other requirements... maybe tests for emotional stability, anger issues, whatever.
Just something that will make it tough for mentally unstable people to buy guns. He is still going to be unstable, but if he comes at me with a baseball bat, i can take that bat away from him and beat his ass with it... but, if he come at me with a Streetsweeper... I'm dead.
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And yeah... crazy people will still be able to get guns... let's at least make it harder for them to get one other than having enough dollars in their pockets.
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Just glad that the gun lunatic lobby has her as their poster girl. A batshit crazy gun lover who created her own monster.
Is she a victim? Yeah. Of her own stupidity. So I vote 26. We shouldn't shed a tear for her. She got what she deserved, if you ask me.
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I am tired; my heart is
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the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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What's that reason?
People are funny. Drugs that a few lunatics take help hundreds of thousands of people and all of a sudden those drugs are the problem. Could it possibly be that people with issues are taking drugs and they would have done it regardless? How about the fact that this kid was a raging lunatic in the first place and there were 842 warning signs
Yeah. Let's blame ADHD medicine. That's a good idea.
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she got what she deserved? are you kidding me???
... she was a victim. her son murdered her. he didnt kill her in self defence. it sickens me that there are people who have turned on the mother.. as if it were she who pulled the trigger that murdered those at sandy hook. did she teach her son to go on deadly rampages? no. did she encourage him to do so? no. one must be held responsible for ones own actions. in this case.. adam lanza is responsible for those deaths(including that of his mother). no one else.
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If she had not encouraged her son to take-up collecting firearms, if she herself had not been a gun lover, would those children still be alive today? Would she? I think you could make a convincing case that the answer to both questions is yes.
As I said earlier, she is not a victim in the same sense that those children and their teachers are victims. But having her last moments be filled the sight of her son turning into a monster and opening fire is an awful way to go. Did she deserve that? I don't know. It is hard to say anyone deserves that.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
if... if... if... supposition.
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Her behavior left a lot of questions. Hard to feel completely sympathetic.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
a lot of questions that wont be answered cause her son shot her dead.
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With guns she brought into the home. With guns she trained her son to use. You can call it supposition but I believe those children would still be alive today if she had not armed him to the teeth.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."