All we can do is listen, learn and appreciate the individual even if we can't agree.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to appreciate someone who wants to do nothing after this. By doing nothing, one is accepting that 26 dead is okay.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
All we can do is listen, learn and appreciate the individual even if we can't agree.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to appreciate someone who wants to do nothing after this. By doing nothing, one is accepting that 26 dead is okay.
What CAN we do?
Is contacting our representative all?
I saw a post in another thread about how because of the actions of one single attempted shoe bomber, everybody in the United States must take their shoes off before getting on any flight....yet twenty 6-yr olds are shot in the face and we do nothing (I believe it was a dunkman post)...
After reading this I thought of the idea of people refusing to de-shoe in protest of the inaction by the government following the recent tragedy.....but what can each individual to in order to obatin REAL results?
I saw a post in another thread about how because of the actions of one single attempted shoe bomber, everybody in the United States must take their shoes off before getting on any flight....yet twenty 6-yr olds are shot in the face and we do nothing (I believe it was a dunkman post)...
?
i saw this post here the day happens,i cant remember who post it,i post it at my facebook as well
good that dunk repeat,so more to read it..
my answer is the same as i said that day..
if this dont wake up people,if this isnt the beggining of changes,im not gonna cry alot,cos ill save some tears for the next,that i believe unfortunately will happen very sood..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
All we can do is listen, learn and appreciate the individual even if we can't agree.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to appreciate someone who wants to do nothing after this. By doing nothing, one is accepting that 26 dead is okay.
true..its time to put things down...
gun owners rights cant be over dead kids..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
All we can do is listen, learn and appreciate the individual even if we can't agree.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to appreciate someone who wants to do nothing after this. By doing nothing, one is accepting that 26 dead is okay.
What CAN we do?
Is contacting our representative all?
I saw a post in another thread about how because of the actions of one single attempted shoe bomber, everybody in the United States must take their shoes off before getting on any flight....yet twenty 6-yr olds are shot in the face and we do nothing (I believe it was a dunkman post)...
After reading this I thought of the idea of people refusing to de-shoe in protest of the inaction by the government following the recent tragedy.....but what can each individual to in order to obatin REAL results?
someone,has to have the balls,dont think his political carreer,the political cost and say stop..and start the change..
i dobt care if Obama or anyone with power feel sorry about what happen
lets the rest of the world to feel sorry..his job is to do things to the direction of this to stop..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
As it seems this has turned into a gun ownership thread instead of a staying on a general individual rights thread, maybe I can post this here.
What can we do as individuals - many things from a political point of view - write, petitions, etc. But hey, here in Camden, they have the right idea. Futile some will say, but I say it's a start.
"Deeply affected by the massacre at Sandy Hook, gun owners in Camden, New Jersey, America's deadliest town, turned in a record number of weapons in a buy back scheme over the weekend.
1,137 firearms including an elephant-gun were handed in on Friday and Saturday at two churches in the crime-plagued town as the ramifications of the mass child killings in Connecticut seemed to inspire residents to give up their arms.
'....We heard that there were a number of gun owners on Saturday who had publicly said, in light of the situation that had just occurred in Connecticut, they wanted to turn in their weapons,' Paul Loriquet, a spokesman for the Camden police, said in an interview with Philly.Com
Among the weapons handed in were scores of rifles, shotguns and pistols, sawed-off shotguns, a century-old antique weapon, a rifle used for hunting elephants and five fully automatic weapons.
Some 90 per cent were in working condition.
Many were illegal weapons under state laws; some were so-called community guns stashed around the neighborhood.
All those who turned in guns were promised anonymity and no questions asked.
'A lot of people said they don't want the guns around the house now,' said state Attorney General Jeffrey Chiesa as he announced the result of the program held Friday and Saturday at two Camden churches."
Posts like this have to end. We all to check ourselves and practice better self-control.
No posts lumping all conservatives as racist have to end.
well that's exactly what I mean...challenging a person to address an issue without being a lumper may make that person think twice about doing it again moreso than having his/her ideas called dumbass ones....do you know what I mean?
As it seems this has turned into a gun ownership thread instead of a staying on a general individual rights thread, maybe I can post this here.
What can we do as individuals - many things from a political point of view - write, petitions, etc. But hey, here in Camden, they have the right idea. Futile some will say, but I say it's a start.
"Deeply affected by the massacre at Sandy Hook, gun owners in Camden, New Jersey, America's deadliest town, turned in a record number of weapons in a buy back scheme over the weekend.
1,137 firearms including an elephant-gun were handed in on Friday and Saturday at two churches in the crime-plagued town as the ramifications of the mass child killings in Connecticut seemed to inspire residents to give up their arms.
'....We heard that there were a number of gun owners on Saturday who had publicly said, in light of the situation that had just occurred in Connecticut, they wanted to turn in their weapons,' Paul Loriquet, a spokesman for the Camden police, said in an interview with Philly.Com
Among the weapons handed in were scores of rifles, shotguns and pistols, sawed-off shotguns, a century-old antique weapon, a rifle used for hunting elephants and five fully automatic weapons.
Some 90 per cent were in working condition.
Many were illegal weapons under state laws; some were so-called community guns stashed around the neighborhood.
All those who turned in guns were promised anonymity and no questions asked.
'A lot of people said they don't want the guns around the house now,' said state Attorney General Jeffrey Chiesa as he announced the result of the program held Friday and Saturday at two Camden churches."
:thumbup:
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
All we can do is listen, learn and appreciate the individual even if we can't agree.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to appreciate someone who wants to do nothing after this. By doing nothing, one is accepting that 26 dead is okay.
What CAN we do?
Is contacting our representative all?
but what can each individual to in order to obatin REAL results?
The task force will bring some suggestions and change.
There are some goals.
Then yes we contact our representatives and let them know what change,
or if we agree with the changes proposed. We all make a choice here too.
I just wish mental illness healthcare reform was not at the bottom of the list,
not surprising though.
The other thing is we know from reports this shooter gave huge warning signs.
Even in a close knit town no one got involved. No one helped, alerted
yet they knew.
Hindsight is 20 20 but now we see. So if we see or know someone is having mental issues,
have guns at their disposal, let someone responsible know.
A healthcare person, their family, their church, their school,the police.
It's not ratting on someone to get them help and it might avoid another tragedy.
Getting involved is difficult but we see now many wish they had.
As it seems this has turned into a gun ownership thread instead of a staying on a general individual rights thread, maybe I can post this here.
What can we do as individuals - many things from a political point of view - write, petitions, etc. But hey, here in Camden, they have the right idea. Futile some will say, but I say it's a start.
"Deeply affected by the massacre at Sandy Hook, gun owners in Camden, New Jersey, America's deadliest town, turned in a record number of weapons in a buy back scheme over the weekend.
1,137 firearms including an elephant-gun were handed in on Friday and Saturday at two churches in the crime-plagued town as the ramifications of the mass child killings in Connecticut seemed to inspire residents to give up their arms.
'....We heard that there were a number of gun owners on Saturday who had publicly said, in light of the situation that had just occurred in Connecticut, they wanted to turn in their weapons,' Paul Loriquet, a spokesman for the Camden police, said in an interview with Philly.Com
Among the weapons handed in were scores of rifles, shotguns and pistols, sawed-off shotguns, a century-old antique weapon, a rifle used for hunting elephants and five fully automatic weapons.
Some 90 per cent were in working condition.
Many were illegal weapons under state laws; some were so-called community guns stashed around the neighborhood.
All those who turned in guns were promised anonymity and no questions asked.
'A lot of people said they don't want the guns around the house now,' said state Attorney General Jeffrey Chiesa as he announced the result of the program held Friday and Saturday at two Camden churches."
That is awesome. I've heard about these kind of events happening locally here in south florida. I think this is a good way to get some (potentially irresponsibly owned) guns off the streets. Especially if you consider that there are quite a few families who have had old folks pass away and their guns just keep getting handed down...and as people less and less likely to have the true desire to town them have them in a shoe box under their bed, the less likely that they are stored responsibly. Some of these people have no incentive to get rid of them and they end up in the wrong hands.
That is awesome. I've heard about these kind of events happening locally here in south florida. I think this is a good way to get some (potentially irresponsibly owned) guns off the streets. Especially if you consider that there are quite a few families who have had old folks pass away and their guns just keep getting handed down...and as people less and less likely to have the true desire to town them have them in a shoe box under their bed, the less likely that they are stored responsibly. Some of these people have no incentive to get rid of them and they end up in the wrong hands.
This is where I see personal responsibility (as jimmy V said) 'take over' stubbornly holding on to an individual 'right' for the sake of this right, not thinking how it will infringe someone else's, not thinking of ramifications.
I see personal responsibility in choice. It is the key to personal growth on our paths.
Of course society must have laws to protect, as dangerous drugs are illegal
but some people say no lets let people choose to use, they are going to anyways.
There are millions choosing to own guns for whatever reason and they do so
with personal responsibility and follow the laws of control. There are others
who do not follow the laws, own or possess guns illegally.
The fact will always remain we can not control others.
We can make laws but people break them as they see fit.
This makes them criminal. Yet people do not care, they justify.
The same will happen with gun laws.
Does that mean we shouldn't make them? No it doesn't. It just means they will not
control people. Again it comes to the real problem... the person holding the gun
and the choice that is theirs to make.
But I question again, can the mentally ill choose?
The people I have known in my life I would say no, personal responsibility,
choice was not theirs, not without proper care.
That is awesome. I've heard about these kind of events happening locally here in south florida. I think this is a good way to get some (potentially irresponsibly owned) guns off the streets. Especially if you consider that there are quite a few families who have had old folks pass away and their guns just keep getting handed down...and as people less and less likely to have the true desire to town them have them in a shoe box under their bed, the less likely that they are stored responsibly. Some of these people have no incentive to get rid of them and they end up in the wrong hands.
This is where I see personal responsibility (as jimmy V said) 'take over' stubbornly holding on to an individual 'right' for the sake of this right, not thinking how it will infringe someone else's, not thinking of ramifications.
Exactly.
I just emailed my local sheriff to see what it takes for them to hold this kind of event.
I also meant to comment on that article and how many of the weapons turned in were illegal...That is more proof that there are just simply too many guns floating around. And the fact that illegal guns were turned in makes it even more evident that its not only easy to buy them on the street, but its easy to simply find an irresponsible family member or friend that has one lying around.
All we can do is listen, learn and appreciate the individual even if we can't agree.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to appreciate someone who wants to do nothing after this. By doing nothing, one is accepting that 26 dead is okay.
How did my words imply to you we do nothing?
I have yet to see you advocate tougher gun laws.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
They're doing the gun buy-back here too...though I'm pretty sure it's more of a PR move on the part of our "mayor".
It could be, but if it gets a few guns off the street its worth it.
I think the kind of people (some of them maybe) who bring their guns to these event to sell back, might be the folks who lean towards the more irresponsible side of gun ownership. But that's just a guess/hunch. Too many guns out there and we've gotta start somewhere.
then you haven't read my posts...
take a gander.
Plenty here on the forum doing that, advocating tougher gun laws.
Certainly must be hundreds of posts all saying the same.
My basic agenda is to go to the root as I see it and help
the shooters, the suicidal, the schizophrenic, the depressed, the homeless,
the millions upon millions
who will live and die unhappy due to lack of proper mental healthcare.
In doing this we help all victims, all of society. Most especially the children
living with undiagnosed mentally ill parents continuing a cycle
long after I have left this world. A cycle that has been going on more than my 56 years here. Real change is needed.
This is where I see personal responsibility (as jimmy V said) 'take over' stubbornly holding on to an individual 'right' for the sake of this right, not thinking how it will infringe someone else's, not thinking of ramifications.
Exactly.
I just emailed my local sheriff to see what it takes for them to hold this kind of event.
I also meant to comment on that article and how many of the weapons turned in were illegal...That is more proof that there are just simply too many guns floating around. And the fact that illegal guns were turned in makes it even more evident that its not only easy to buy them on the street, but its easy to simply find an irresponsible family member or friend that has one lying around.
Excellent Jonny - one by one...
Illegal guns 'under the state law', which means that they could have been purchased legally in another state...
Hedonist- PR stunt or not, if it means less weapons out there, it's good. It also shows that the people have thought about it and maybe this is a start to culture change, albeit tiny. No one is taking anyone's 'individual rights' away but maybe more are starting to think 'communal rights' or just another person's right to live.
Illegal guns 'under the state law', which means that they could have been purchased legally in another state...
Hedonist- PR stunt or not, if it means less weapons out there, it's good. It also shows that the people have thought about it and maybe this is a start to culture change, albeit tiny. No one is taking anyone's 'individual rights' away but maybe more are starting to think 'communal rights' or just another person's right to live.
Oh, I'm with you and JonnyP in terms of the end-result. I just think our mayor is a smarmy POS
Pandora - maybe one could focus more on what you keep on repeating in every single thread if you started one dedicated to mental health and how to approach it. I understand you have a vested interest in this subject and you may find that some may want to engage with you on that topic specifically and would avoid spamming on all the other threads, whether relevant or not.
...
I'm going to file this in the folder marked, 'DUH', because... seriously who ISN'T for 'Freedom'? I have yet to hear or read anyone's opinion that they wishes they were enslaved... or locked up... or oppressed.
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Pandora - maybe one could focus more on what you keep on repeating in every single thread if you started one dedicated to mental health and how to approach it. I understand you have a vested interest in this subject and you may find that some may want to engage with you on that topic specifically and would avoid spamming on all the other threads, whether relevant or not.
Chucks, how about just start a thread any kind of thread once. Mental health would a great start.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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I kept wondering what he meant - I read it as anal ogres, which strangely sort of made sense
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
He's all for agent orange, what?
What CAN we do?
Is contacting our representative all?
I saw a post in another thread about how because of the actions of one single attempted shoe bomber, everybody in the United States must take their shoes off before getting on any flight....yet twenty 6-yr olds are shot in the face and we do nothing (I believe it was a dunkman post)...
After reading this I thought of the idea of people refusing to de-shoe in protest of the inaction by the government following the recent tragedy.....but what can each individual to in order to obatin REAL results?
No posts lumping all conservatives as racist have to end.
good that dunk repeat,so more to read it..
my answer is the same as i said that day..
if this dont wake up people,if this isnt the beggining of changes,im not gonna cry alot,cos ill save some tears for the next,that i believe unfortunately will happen very sood..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
gun owners rights cant be over dead kids..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
i dobt care if Obama or anyone with power feel sorry about what happen
lets the rest of the world to feel sorry..his job is to do things to the direction of this to stop..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
What can we do as individuals - many things from a political point of view - write, petitions, etc. But hey, here in Camden, they have the right idea. Futile some will say, but I say it's a start.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -guns.html
"Deeply affected by the massacre at Sandy Hook, gun owners in Camden, New Jersey, America's deadliest town, turned in a record number of weapons in a buy back scheme over the weekend.
1,137 firearms including an elephant-gun were handed in on Friday and Saturday at two churches in the crime-plagued town as the ramifications of the mass child killings in Connecticut seemed to inspire residents to give up their arms.
'....We heard that there were a number of gun owners on Saturday who had publicly said, in light of the situation that had just occurred in Connecticut, they wanted to turn in their weapons,' Paul Loriquet, a spokesman for the Camden police, said in an interview with Philly.Com
Among the weapons handed in were scores of rifles, shotguns and pistols, sawed-off shotguns, a century-old antique weapon, a rifle used for hunting elephants and five fully automatic weapons.
Some 90 per cent were in working condition.
Many were illegal weapons under state laws; some were so-called community guns stashed around the neighborhood.
All those who turned in guns were promised anonymity and no questions asked.
'A lot of people said they don't want the guns around the house now,' said state Attorney General Jeffrey Chiesa as he announced the result of the program held Friday and Saturday at two Camden churches."
well that's exactly what I mean...challenging a person to address an issue without being a lumper may make that person think twice about doing it again moreso than having his/her ideas called dumbass ones....do you know what I mean?
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
There are some goals.
Then yes we contact our representatives and let them know what change,
or if we agree with the changes proposed. We all make a choice here too.
I just wish mental illness healthcare reform was not at the bottom of the list,
not surprising though.
The other thing is we know from reports this shooter gave huge warning signs.
Even in a close knit town no one got involved. No one helped, alerted
yet they knew.
Hindsight is 20 20 but now we see. So if we see or know someone is having mental issues,
have guns at their disposal, let someone responsible know.
A healthcare person, their family, their church, their school,the police.
It's not ratting on someone to get them help and it might avoid another tragedy.
Getting involved is difficult but we see now many wish they had.
That is awesome. I've heard about these kind of events happening locally here in south florida. I think this is a good way to get some (potentially irresponsibly owned) guns off the streets. Especially if you consider that there are quite a few families who have had old folks pass away and their guns just keep getting handed down...and as people less and less likely to have the true desire to town them have them in a shoe box under their bed, the less likely that they are stored responsibly. Some of these people have no incentive to get rid of them and they end up in the wrong hands.
This is where I see personal responsibility (as jimmy V said) 'take over' stubbornly holding on to an individual 'right' for the sake of this right, not thinking how it will infringe someone else's, not thinking of ramifications.
Of course society must have laws to protect, as dangerous drugs are illegal
but some people say no lets let people choose to use, they are going to anyways.
There are millions choosing to own guns for whatever reason and they do so
with personal responsibility and follow the laws of control. There are others
who do not follow the laws, own or possess guns illegally.
The fact will always remain we can not control others.
We can make laws but people break them as they see fit.
This makes them criminal. Yet people do not care, they justify.
The same will happen with gun laws.
Does that mean we shouldn't make them? No it doesn't. It just means they will not
control people. Again it comes to the real problem... the person holding the gun
and the choice that is theirs to make.
But I question again, can the mentally ill choose?
The people I have known in my life I would say no, personal responsibility,
choice was not theirs, not without proper care.
Exactly.
I just emailed my local sheriff to see what it takes for them to hold this kind of event.
I also meant to comment on that article and how many of the weapons turned in were illegal...That is more proof that there are just simply too many guns floating around. And the fact that illegal guns were turned in makes it even more evident that its not only easy to buy them on the street, but its easy to simply find an irresponsible family member or friend that has one lying around.
It could be, but if it gets a few guns off the street its worth it.
I think the kind of people (some of them maybe) who bring their guns to these event to sell back, might be the folks who lean towards the more irresponsible side of gun ownership. But that's just a guess/hunch. Too many guns out there and we've gotta start somewhere.
take a gander.
Plenty here on the forum doing that, advocating tougher gun laws.
Certainly must be hundreds of posts all saying the same.
My basic agenda is to go to the root as I see it and help
the shooters, the suicidal, the schizophrenic, the depressed, the homeless,
the millions upon millions
who will live and die unhappy due to lack of proper mental healthcare.
In doing this we help all victims, all of society. Most especially the children
living with undiagnosed mentally ill parents continuing a cycle
long after I have left this world. A cycle that has been going on more than my 56 years here.
Real change is needed.
Excellent Jonny - one by one...
Illegal guns 'under the state law', which means that they could have been purchased legally in another state...
Hedonist- PR stunt or not, if it means less weapons out there, it's good. It also shows that the people have thought about it and maybe this is a start to culture change, albeit tiny. No one is taking anyone's 'individual rights' away but maybe more are starting to think 'communal rights' or just another person's right to live.
I'm going to file this in the folder marked, 'DUH', because... seriously who ISN'T for 'Freedom'? I have yet to hear or read anyone's opinion that they wishes they were enslaved... or locked up... or oppressed.
Hail, Hail!!!
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I'll drink to that!
Hail, Hail!!!
Chucks, how about just start a thread any kind of thread once. Mental health would a great start.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I'm leaving this thread alone.. going down the same path as in every thread that requires a little bit of basic understanding of the problem.
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