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deserteddotse wrote:
I think posts like this need to start being called out for what they are.
Not only does this type of post violate guidlines, it also takes away from the spirit of the thread (whatever it might be) and can also serve to diminish the poster's own respectability.
I'm not picking on you, I'm just calling to light a type of unwarranted ugliness that I've seen creeping into alot of AMT threads that perhaps should be exposed at its source in each thread that it appears is all.
Discuss the topic, not the people discussing the topic. No personal comments. Look your comments over before hitting Submit and be sure you're debating THE TOPIC.0 -
I sooo badly want a cougar.
I just love them. I promise I'll raise it from a cub to become a loving pet that the neighbourhood could appreciate. You see others on the youtube that play with their owners and they look so fun.
So... it's my right. Correct? I can have a cougar?"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
JimmyV wrote:
I would say that is all part of whether one 'uses' their right regardless, even to the detriment of others or if one actually thinks about the impact on the collective of him/her establishing that right. But, sadly, as a society, we are in general too greedy and selfish to consider the collective.0 -
rollings wrote:deserteddotse wrote:Wow, couldn't see that coming...
I think posts like this need to start being called out for what they are.
Not only does this type of post violate guidlines, it also takes away from the spirit of the thread (whatever it might be) and can also serve to diminish the poster's own respectability.
I'm not picking on you, I'm just calling to light a type of unwarranted ugliness that I've seen creeping into alot of AMT threads that perhaps should be exposed at its source in each thread that it appears is all.
Discuss the topic, not the people discussing the topic. No personal comments. Look your comments over before hitting Submit and be sure you're debating THE TOPIC.
Agreed, First and last one on my account. Sorry...Give a monkey a brain and he'll swear he's the center of the Universe...0 -
Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:I sooo badly want a cougar.
I just love them. I promise I'll raise it from a cub to become a loving pet that the neighbourhood could appreciate. You see others on the youtube that play with their owners and they look so fun.
So... it's my right. Correct? I can have a cougar?
I guess it could be construed as a right in your pursuit of happiness, or property or just plain liberty. I don't think it's against the law so I guess you could. But as the cougar is endangered, would this 'right' (if one considers this a right) maybe infringe on the collective right as the cougar is endangered? Should I be your neighbour, could it infringe on my right to life should your cougar jump over the fence into my garden and attack me?0 -
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A lot of times when I see someone claiming they're all for individual rights, it turns out they're more for individualized rights that meet their own personal needs.0
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rollings wrote:
No problem...I wish I could add more to the discussion but I find it (somewhat) hard to translate my thoughts (and they are many) into the english language. :(
Give a monkey a brain and he'll swear he's the center of the Universe...0 -
Empty Glass wrote:I'm all for individual rights and as an Army vet, fought for them.
I am against asshats who can't handle their individual rights responsibly.
And to the first part - thank you.0 -
Yupper ... Individual rights rule.I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon0 -
Go Beavers wrote:A lot of times when I see someone claiming they're all for individual rights, it turns out they're more for individualized rights that meet their own personal needs.
Yep. "It's a free country! Don't infringe on my rights! Don't let the gays marry!" :?___________________________________________
"...I changed by not changing at all..."0 -
redrock wrote:Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:I sooo badly want a cougar.
I just love them. I promise I'll raise it from a cub to become a loving pet that the neighbourhood could appreciate. You see others on the youtube that play with their owners and they look so fun.
So... it's my right. Correct? I can have a cougar?
I guess it could be construed as a right in your pursuit of happiness, or property or just plain liberty. I don't think it's against the law so I guess you could. But as the cougar is endangered, would this 'right' (if one considers this a right) maybe infringe on the collective right as the cougar is endangered? Should I be your neighbour, could it infringe on my right to life should your cougar jump over the fence into my garden and attack me?
Well... I guess you get my point. It's easy to speak of and cite 'individual rights', but at what point does the welfare of others trump an individual's rights? To me... there must be a line somewhere.
Some very well-versed people have eloquently spoken for 'redrawing the line' where individual rights might be sacrificed for the greater of the whole. While I can understand why some individuals might be bothered by this, I cannot understand their reluctance to admit that the problem exists. They would have so much more credibility with me if they would acknowledge the problem instead of rationalizing or denying it."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
deserteddotse wrote:rollings wrote:
No problem...I wish I could add more to the discussion but I find it (somewhat) hard to translate my thoughts (and they are many) into the english language. :(
I understand how this could be difficult. Do the best you can. Most people will understand if something got lost in translation. (We are used to reading dimistrispearljam's posts afterall!)
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rollings wrote:Most people will understand if something got lost in translation. (We are used to reading dimistrispearljam's posts afterall!
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Give a monkey a brain and he'll swear he's the center of the Universe...0 -
deserteddotse wrote:rollings wrote:
No problem...I wish I could add more to the discussion but I find it (somewhat) hard to translate my thoughts (and they are many) into the english language. :(
Your english seems more than enough to get your thoughts across. Don't worry about how it comes out. Would love to hear how you perceive this notion of individual rights. It's interesting to hear from different nationalities/cultures when it comes to this.0 -
Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:Well... I guess you get my point. It's easy to speak of and cite 'individual rights', but at what point does the welfare of others trump an individual's rights? To me... there must be a line somewhere.
Some very well-versed people have eloquently spoken for 'redrawing the line' where individual rights might be sacrificed for the greater of the whole. While I can understand why some individuals might be bothered by this, I cannot understand their reluctance to admit that the problem exists. They would have so much more credibility with me if they would acknowledge the problem instead of rationalizing or denying it.
Exactly. Many philosophers have (and still are) debating this, arguments/conclusions naturally differing following their 'penchant'.
It is also that we do not have a common understanding of what are our 'individual rights' and what value they hold.0 -
redrock wrote:deserteddotse wrote:
No problem...I wish I could add more to the discussion but I find it (somewhat) hard to translate my thoughts (and they are many) into the english language. :(
Your english seems more than enough to get your thoughts across. Don't worry about how it comes out. Would love to hear how you perceive this notion of individual rights. It's interesting to hear from different nationalities/cultures when it comes to this.
Thanks! I'll do my best...Give a monkey a brain and he'll swear he's the center of the Universe...0 -
MayDay10 wrote:Im a fan of individual rights.
I believe guns, drugs, and unchecked corporatism infringes on individual rights.
I suppose
The fact that they are allowed so much political power and the ability to spend towards campaigns as they please is insanity. Corporations and groups do not deserve that power...
Groups do not have the same rights as individuals
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redrock wrote:Fundamental right of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Other 'rights' are just 'actions' following in order to access these fundamental rights. Property being one of them (note: property in the largest sense of the word).
But whilst property is one example, what about the right to life? Fundamental individual right one would say. One that shouldn't be taken away from any individual (unless such individual agrees to it..). Would my individual right to life supersede someone elses? If so why? If considered such a fundamental individual right, can one justify the death penalty as punishment or for the 'good of the collective'?
Personally, I think we all fool ourselves thinking we have any 'control' over our rights - fundamental or acquired. All rights are relative.
I shortened your post to focus on a couple of points....
Locke, Jefferson, Voltaire, etc. all make valid points but definitely leave alot to be desired in regards to individual rights. I think another thing to address is the idea of collective rights. Would life fall under collective rights? What about access to a healthy environment? If we use life, liberty, property as the basis for individual rights then what constitutes the basis for collective rights? If the Enlightenment philosophers were trying to move away from the problems with tyrannical government then it makes sense that they would focus (heavily and almost exclusively) on individual rights because they needed to be defined and separated because individual rights was a new concept. Perhaps we need to redefine and refine the idea of individual rights.Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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riotgrl wrote:I think another thing to address is the idea of collective rights. Would life fall under collective rights? What about access to a healthy environment? If we use life, liberty, property as the basis for individual rights then what constitutes the basis for collective rights? .
We would then have to explore the likes of Marx, etc. The 'vile' words 'socialism' and 'communism'!!!!!riotgrl wrote:Perhaps we need to redefine and refine the idea of individual rights.
Maybe we ought to agree on what is a right!0
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