F*** the killer, remember the VICTIMS

CH156378

brianlux wrote:

R.I.P Victoria Soto. I didn't know you but I will remember your name and wish your family well.
Victoria is the one name I will remember from all this. She is a hero.

g under p

ANA MARQUEZ-GREENE is the child I'll remember she had a lovely voice.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VTnSbAC6UDM

Peace

pandora

posted this elsewhere but this really where it belongs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=torfwGPgyEg


this tragedy haunts us all everyday. I don't think anyone can get away from it.
I see the children when I'm out and about...
look in the parents eyes ...
and I see the hint of sadness that wasn't there before, it lives in us all now.
Our hearts filled with each of those children lost.
Feeling the pain of each of the loved ones.

Their love a moment of grace ...

JimmyV

Someone somewhere posted a quote that there were parents who went home that day to houses that had hidden Christmas presents for children who were dead. I can't get that thought out of my head. Haunted by it almost. Whenever I think about this, that is where my mind goes.

dimitrispearljam

JimmyV wrote:

Someone somewhere posted a quote that there were parents who went home that day to houses that had hidden Christmas presents for children who were dead. I can't get that thought out of my head. Haunted by it almost. Whenever I think about this, that is where my mind goes.

yeah,was at a thread that locked..its so hard this thought...

by blackredyellow » 14 Dec 2012 20:56
Just saw this on twitter from someone:

"There are parents in Connecticut who are going home to hidden Christmas presents for children who are dead."

I'm a 38 year old man (and father) who doesn't cry often... reading that statement made me cry at my desk at work.

I'm at a loss...

Newch91

Posted this in the Yankees thread and thought I would post it in here.

Derek Jeter is such a class act. If Victoria Soto's sister didn't tweet this, no one would know and that would have been good, also.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_ ... toria-soto

mickeyrat

saw one of those digital billboards today that said remember Noah Ponzer that also had his picture.

Usually those kind of billboards flip through a series of ads. This on didnt. Was cool to see this kind of attention being paid.

josevolution

Great thread we must never forget these kids i hope that they didn't die in vain and that thought of presents under the tree that will never be opened by the intended kids is truly heart wrenching , it doesn't even feel like xmas time at all

Newch91

Proud to see the good people of Connecticut and others around the country block this hate-group "church."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... ostpopular

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Newch91 wrote:

Proud to see the good people of Connecticut and others around the country block this hate-group "church."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... ostpopular

what a disgusting group of people.

dimitrispearljam

http://www.causes.com/causes/807161-sta ... ns/1716727

g under p

Aside from my volunteer work for the homeless next week I'm going to do 15 random acts of kindness around Palm Beach County. It can be anything from buying a person inline a cup of coffee or let some else take my place in line or send some friends a box of Honeybell oranges from here in Florida.

All for some random acts of kindness in memory of the children and teachers from a Newtown. I hope will pass on some random acts of kindness maybe it'll bring us some peace in these violent times that we live in.

Peace

Newch91

g under p wrote:

Aside from my volunteer work for the homeless next week I'm going to do 15 random acts of kindness around Palm Beach County. It can be anything from buying a person inline a cup of coffee or let some else take my place in line or send some friends a box of Honeybell oranges from here in Florida.

All for some random acts of kindness in memory of the children and teachers from a Newtown. I hope will pass on some random acts of kindness maybe it'll bring us some peace in these violent times that we live in.

Peace

Love it.

I did an act of kindness today at the mall while finishing my Christmas shopping. I stopped at the food court to get something to eat and as I was eating, a guy walked by, took his money out of his pocket, and dropped a $5 bill. I didn't notice it right away, but I went over, picked it up, and brought it to the guy waiting in line at one of the food places.

pureoc

Newch91 wrote:

Posted this in the Yankees thread and thought I would post it in here.

Derek Jeter is such a class act. If Victoria Soto's sister didn't tweet this, no one would know and that would have been good, also.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_ ... toria-soto

Saw that. Not a Yanks fan at all, but a classy move by a classy guy. It'd be nice if their were more athletes like #2.

catefrances

JimmyV wrote:

Someone somewhere posted a quote that there were parents who went home that day to houses that had hidden Christmas presents for children who were dead. I can't get that thought out of my head. Haunted by it almost. Whenever I think about this, that is where my mind goes.

PJ_Soul

I have no problems thinking of the victims (actually, I think most about victims' families). But I really wish the fucking news would stop trying to control what my moral priorities are. The news should be the news. They should NOT be deciding that they aren't going to pay lots of attention to the killer so that the viewers don't focus on the killer while forgetting the victims. CNN is on this ridiculous little moral high horse since it was suggested by a victim's brother in Aurora, and I'm getting really irritated. Fuck you Anderson Cooper - I don't need you deciding for me how much attention I do or don't pay victims vs killers, as though I need YOUR help setting those priorities in my own mind. Fucking give me all the info, and then shut the fuck up. :evil:

Also, quite frankly, it's actually way more useful to think about and remember everything about the killer, since that's the shit people have to watch out for and learn from. Thinking about the victims is very nice and all, and definitely most important for those who actually knew and loved them, but as far as strangers are concerned, it doesn't do anything whatsoever in preventing future massacres or learning something about warning signs or anything like that, so... sure, wish those who are truly mourning (the families) all the best wishes in the world, but seriously, pound into everyone's brains every detail about the killers' behaviours and patterns before the violent act so that people might be more likely to recognize danger signs in the future.

But mostly, fuck off with the moral compass shit, stop yammering on emotionally about how we don't want to give any attention to the killers in mass shootings, CNN, and just report everything.

All that said, I feel true sorrow for those who loved all of those victims; I find it difficult to see or hear any coverage of Newtown without getting really upset. The parents of those children... :( :( :(

Hugh Freaking Dillon

PJ_Soul wrote:

I have no problems thinking of the victims (actually, I think most about victims' families). But I really wish the fucking news would stop trying to control what my moral priorities are. The news should be the news. They should NOT be deciding that they aren't going to pay lots of attention to the killer so that the viewers don't focus on the killer while forgetting the victims. CNN is on this ridiculous little moral high horse since it was suggested by a victim's brother in Aurora, and I'm getting really irritated. Fuck you Anderson Cooper - I don't need you deciding for me how much attention I do or don't pay victims vs killers, as though I need YOUR help setting those priorities in my own mind. Fucking give me all the info, and then shut the fuck up. :evil:

Also, quite frankly, it's actually way more useful to think about and remember everything about the killer, since that's the shit people have to watch out for and learn from. Thinking about the victims is very nice and all, and definitely most important for those who actually knew and loved them, but as far as strangers are concerned, it doesn't do anything whatsoever in preventing future massacres or learning something about warning signs or anything like that, so... sure, wish those who are truly mourning (the families) all the best wishes in the world, but seriously, pound into everyone's brains every detail about the killers' behaviours and patterns before the violent act so that people might be more likely to recognize danger signs in the future.

But mostly, fuck off with the moral compass shit, stop yammering on emotionally about how we don't want to give any attention to the killers in mass shootings, CNN, and just report everything.

All that said, I feel true sorrow for those who loved all of those victims; I find it difficult to see or hear any coverage of Newtown without getting really upset. The parents of those children... :( :( :(

the whole purpose of saying "fuck you" to the killers is:

a) to deny them the attention they so desperately crave. If the next potential shooter knows they won't achieve notoriety and become infamous from this, it might just make them kill themselves instead of 20 children.
b) to give a voice to the victims. as that fake quote by Morgan Freeman stated, we all remember the names of the killers from Columbine, but we don't remember the ones killed. that's unhealthy.

The victims deserve more press than the killers.

PJ_Soul

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I have no problems thinking of the victims (actually, I think most about victims' families). But I really wish the fucking news would stop trying to control what my moral priorities are. The news should be the news. They should NOT be deciding that they aren't going to pay lots of attention to the killer so that the viewers don't focus on the killer while forgetting the victims. CNN is on this ridiculous little moral high horse since it was suggested by a victim's brother in Aurora, and I'm getting really irritated. Fuck you Anderson Cooper - I don't need you deciding for me how much attention I do or don't pay victims vs killers, as though I need YOUR help setting those priorities in my own mind. Fucking give me all the info, and then shut the fuck up. :evil:

Also, quite frankly, it's actually way more useful to think about and remember everything about the killer, since that's the shit people have to watch out for and learn from. Thinking about the victims is very nice and all, and definitely most important for those who actually knew and loved them, but as far as strangers are concerned, it doesn't do anything whatsoever in preventing future massacres or learning something about warning signs or anything like that, so... sure, wish those who are truly mourning (the families) all the best wishes in the world, but seriously, pound into everyone's brains every detail about the killers' behaviours and patterns before the violent act so that people might be more likely to recognize danger signs in the future.

But mostly, fuck off with the moral compass shit, stop yammering on emotionally about how we don't want to give any attention to the killers in mass shootings, CNN, and just report everything.

All that said, I feel true sorrow for those who loved all of those victims; I find it difficult to see or hear any coverage of Newtown without getting really upset. The parents of those children... :( :( :(

the whole purpose of saying "fuck you" to the killers is:

a) to deny them the attention they so desperately crave. If the next potential shooter knows they won't achieve notoriety and become infamous from this, it might just make them kill themselves instead of 20 children.
b) to give a voice to the victims. as that fake quote by Morgan Freeman stated, we all remember the names of the killers from Columbine, but we don't remember the ones killed. that's unhealthy.

The victims deserve more press than the killers.

The latest killer seems to have sought no notoriety whatsoever, and that is the case with a lot of other people who commit such crimes, particularly the mentally ill ones. I don't think the Aurora shooter sought it either. That seems more a characteristic common to serial killers, actually.

I'm sorry, but this whole idea of "remembering the killed, not the killer" is a bunch of sentimental bologna, and I find it outrageously insincere when it comes from the news networks. I also find it unrealistic. Of course people are going to remember the one name of someone who shot up a school and not the 27 other names of the victims. People's memories aren't that good. Plus, knowing their names doesn't do anything for anyone, so I'm not sure what the point is to be honest. I don't think my knowing their names or not knowing their names has any effect whatsoever on my or anyone else's impression of the event, nor does it lessen my empathy for the families of the dead or my memory of the event or those killed. Their names are neither here nor there. Have you memorized every name of the ones killed in Newtown HFD? How about all the people killed in Aurora? Do you remember all their names?

As far as "deserving" press goes... I really don't think it makes one bit of difference to the dead. I personally don't think that "deserving" comes into it. I think it is much more USEFUL for people to know what the warning signs and personal issues of the killer were. Saying "fuck you" to the killer needn't mean that you don't pay attention to him, his name, and his motives. Remembering his name is part of that. And what I think is unhealthy is having a media that is trying to dictate to the public what their moral priorities are supposed to be after a human disaster... insincere sentimentalities and all.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

PJ_Soul wrote:

The latest killer seems to have sought no notoriety whatsoever, and that is the case with a lot of other people who commit such crimes, particularly the mentally ill ones. I don't think the Aurora shooter sought it either. That seems more a characteristic common to serial killers, actually.

I'm sorry, but this whole idea of "remembering the killed, not the killer" is a bunch of sentimental bologna, and I find it outrageously insincere when it comes from the news networks. I also find it unrealistic. Of course people are going to remember the one name of someone who shot up a school and not the 27 other names of the victims. People's memories aren't that good. Plus, knowing their names doesn't do anything for anyone, so I'm not sure what the point is to be honest. I don't think my knowing their names or not knowing their names has any effect whatsoever on my or anyone else's impression of the event, nor does it lessen my empathy for the families of the dead or my memory of the event or those killed. Their names are neither here nor there. Have you memorized every name of the ones killed in Newtown HFD? How about all the people killed in Aurora? Do you remember all their names?

As far as "deserving" press goes... I really don't think it makes one bit of difference to the dead. I personally don't think that "deserving" comes into it. I think it is much more USEFUL for people to know what the warning signs and personal issues of the killer were. Saying "fuck you" to the killer needn't mean that you don't pay attention to him, his name, and his motives. Remembering his name is part of that. And what I think is unhealthy is having a media that is trying to dictate to the public what their moral priorities are supposed to be after a human disaster... insincere sentimentalities and all.

No one knows the killer's motives, not you, not me.

When I started this thread, I had not heard of any media outlets trying to "dictate" what the public knows about this event. My point was that it's sad that we focus on the killer rather than the victims. it's kind of backwards.

The point was not about memorizing the names of the victims, nor their details. Just remembering them in spirit, as in, why waste time thinking about the killer, when you can think about the lost instead? No one was trying to be disingenuous or insincere. It was more about how to deal with it ourselves than helping the living victims of this act.

dancepartner

1) talking so we don't forget
2) paying it forward
3) nix news coverage
and always -- do unto others as you would have done unto you
A meaning to transcend division.