F*** the killer, remember the VICTIMS

Jeanwah

brianlux wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

brianlux wrote:

This is great idea, Hugh, and goes well with what Jeanwah said:

"You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

I have not and will not memorize the killer's name. I'm going to choose instead to remember Victoria Soto, 27, teacher, and memorize her name because it reminds me of a wonder poet, Gary Soto. Several of his collections are children's poetry books.

R.I.P Victoria Soto. I didn't know you but I will remember your name and wish your family well.

we need to forget his name. but turning off the news just closes our eyes to what's happening. does it sensationalize? yes, but that's media today, we can't get around that. but we need to be aware of what's going on around us. to enact change. to bring peace. because this is fucked.

I very much get what your saying, Hugh, in that my interpretation of "turning off the news" was turn off the sensationalist news. It takes a lot more digging to get more factual news but it's surely worth the effort.

Yes, time for change, time for peace. Well said.

Turning off the news would be turning off the mainstream media garbage news. The news that induces, like Brian said, sensationalism, fear, DRAMA, lies, etc. As long as we are critical thinkers, seek out accurate information rather than hysteria, love and support one another, and not get wrapped up in such anger issues like gun debate and keep the focus on each other and open minds, we're certainly not closing our eyes to awareness.

One can certainly mourn and cherish the innocence lost without turning on a single television with mainstream news.

dimitrispearljam

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/connect ... s-17978970

Hugh Freaking Dillon

dimitrispearljam wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/connecticut-shooting-teacher-kaitlin-roig-protected-students-17978970

blueandwhite

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Looking at this is a kick in the nuts.

I'm trying, Hugh, to forget the killer. I really am. But am I the only one that looks at that pencil-necked little rat and wishes he could have had 5 minutes with him before he 'passed'?

To what end? What would it achieve?

Honestly, I wish that somebody in this kid's life stepped in before this happened. If only his mother, his father, his brother or any number of people he knew personally had the foresight to see some of the signs (if there were any) and prevent this tragedy from happening.

It's easy to hate the killer, but he's also gone. He isn't worth your effort. Stopping the next person like him from making another set of headlines is what really counts.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

blueandwhite wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

Looking at this is a kick in the nuts.

I'm trying, Hugh, to forget the killer. I really am. But am I the only one that looks at that pencil-necked little rat and wishes he could have had 5 minutes with him before he 'passed'?

To what end? What would it achieve?

Honestly, I wish that somebody in this kid's life stepped in before this happened. If only his mother, his father, his brother or any number of people he knew personally had the foresight to see some of the signs (if there were any) and prevent this tragedy from happening.

It's easy to hate the killer, but he's also gone. He isn't worth your effort. Stopping the next person like him from making another set of headlines is what really counts.

I'm not sure what it would achieve, but it's how I feel. I think he's a piece of shit. I totally get the 'rise above it' mentality... but I guess I'll leave that mentality for better, more refined people. The crude, roguish, and uncivilized sorts like myself prefer a different brand of justice and the way it is meted out.

Now as for your last line... I'd do whatever it takes and make whatever sacrifice necessary (within reason) to ensure another incident such as this never occurs again. Got some suggestions?

Newch91

Such a great picture of President Obama with some of the kids (brothers/sisters) of the victims. Brought a smile to my face.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-s ... 5424_n.jpg

hedonist

candles going here tonight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVN8VT53Ebs

rival.

Newch91 wrote:

Such a great picture of President Obama with some of the kids (brothers/sisters) of the victims. Brought a smile to my face.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-s ... 5424_n.jpg

haven't made a single post regarding these events. too many emotions, but thought i'd post and say thank you for sharing this picture.

Newch91

rival. wrote:

Newch91 wrote:

Such a great picture of President Obama with some of the kids (brothers/sisters) of the victims. Brought a smile to my face.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-s ... 5424_n.jpg

haven't made a single post regarding these events. too many emotions, but thought i'd post and say thank you for sharing this picture.

You're welcome.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Newch91 wrote:

Such a great picture of President Obama with some of the kids (brothers/sisters) of the victims. Brought a smile to my face.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-s ... 5424_n.jpg

I'm not sure why yet, but this picture doesn't sit well with me.

Byrnzie

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened yesterday :

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.

It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

hedonist

Doesn't lessen the message, but apparently Morgan didn't say that. Much misinformation flying around, and not just on this incident.

Anyway, I've realized I can't forget what I already know - this man's name - but it doesn't mean I won't remember the victims either.

Byrnzie

hedonist wrote:

Doesn't lessen the message, but apparently Morgan didn't say that. Much misinformation flying around, and not just on this incident.

Anyway, I've realized I can't forget what I already know - this man's name - but it doesn't mean I won't remember the victims either.

I got it from Facebook. I know I probably shouldn't pluck anything from that place.

RoughMix

Byrnzie wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Doesn't lessen the message, but apparently Morgan didn't say that. Much misinformation flying around, and not just on this incident.

Anyway, I've realized I can't forget what I already know - this man's name - but it doesn't mean I won't remember the victims either.

I got it from Facebook. I know I probably shouldn't pluck anything from that place.

Facebook! Now that's where you'll find the truth.
I think I would rather watch the news.

pandora

I was putting the lights on the tree yesterday... like normal each Christmas.

I put on the TV ... like normal.

Doctor Phil's face came on. He was there with families in CT.
Heartbreaking sadness.

I pray this overwhelming sadness is not the new normal.
I thought of the torn Middle East, the frequent bombings. So many innocent lives lost.
A Mother's a Father's sadness, the loss of a child, the loss of a parent.
We all feel this sadness the same. Their normal is this sadness.

A world of pain.

Byrnzie

RoughMix wrote:

Facebook! Now that's where you'll find the truth.
I think I would rather watch the news.

I wasn't looking for any truth. It was on Facebook afterall. It was a good quote. So I copied and pasted it. I'll make a point of double-checking that shit in future. That's all.

g under p

dimitrispearljam wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/connecticut-shooting-teacher-kaitlin-roig-protected-students-17978970

That was tough to watch. :( that being I once taught preschool for 5 years, barricading the door and turning off the lights while trying to keep the children quiet was tough to do but brilliant and the right thing to do.

Peace

Sludge Factory

Byrnzie wrote:

RoughMix wrote:

Facebook! Now that's where you'll find the truth.
I think I would rather watch the news.

I wasn't looking for any truth. It was on Facebook afterall. It was a good quote. So I copied and pasted it. I'll make a point of double-checking that shit in future. That's all.

This is a point that I wish the media would pick up on. Instead of "glorifying" (in a sense) the deeds of one horrible person, it should be more about the victims. Instead, what we end up having is a benchmark for some other sick fuck out there to try and top in order to get his/her place in the history books.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Morgan Freeman has been incorrectly identified in so many "wise quotes" it's getting a bit stupid. how did this phenomenon begin?

hedonist

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

Morgan Freeman has been incorrectly identified in so many "wise quotes" it's getting a bit stupid. how did this phenomenon begin?

Superb voice + likability/perceived trustworthiness x the internet = ...