Michigan - Right to Work

fear4freedom

how can one accept the FORCE of choice that the unions implement? Pay dues, must join union by FORCE. The same people are pro-CHOICE when it comes to abortion, but when it comes to labor, they are not for CHOICE! OH OK! LOL

JC29856

Name 1 piece of federal legislation in the last however many years that "unions" lobbied and pushed for?

fear4freedom

JC29856 wrote:

Name 1 piece of federal legislation in the last however many years that "unions" lobbied and pushed for?

Obamacare! I was on the Capitol Lawn when SEIU was parading around us! I was there! I saw it! I was in it!

unsung

fear4freedom wrote:

Right to work is for you to keep your CHOICE! DUDE Unions take away your choices and make you pay dues! Whatever happened choice! These union thugs in Michigan are assaulting people and are getting angry for no reason. These thugs are acting like uncivil gangmembers.

I'm not forced at all. I can CHOOSE to work someplace else.

Go Beavers

fear4freedom wrote:

JC29856 wrote:

Name 1 piece of federal legislation in the last however many years that "unions" lobbied and pushed for?

Obamacare! I was on the Capitol Lawn when SEIU was parading around us! I was there! I saw it! I was in it!

See lukin, he does know the inner workings!

fear4freedom

unsung wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Right to work is for you to keep your CHOICE! DUDE Unions take away your choices and make you pay dues! Whatever happened choice! These union thugs in Michigan are assaulting people and are getting angry for no reason. These thugs are acting like uncivil gangmembers.

I'm not forced at all. I can CHOOSE to work someplace else.

OH so now the Union owns the jobsite and company?

Jason P

Politics aside, if you are a union member and your state went to right-to-work, would you opt out of paying the union dues?

How much more would you bring home in pay?

polaris_x

i'm kinda torn on this issue ...

in a perfect world - we would not need unions ... but the reality is that we don't live in a perfect world ... my understanding is that the fall out of RTW legislation shows mixed results ... probably dependent on who commissioned the study ... still - when it comes to america ... i will always default against the corporation ... gov't policy is already heavily favoured towards corporations to make more money with little regard for the workers ... just look at the increase in pay over the last couple of decades between executives and the workers ... the percentage increase variance is ridiculous ...

the prosperity gap is widening in the US and the middle class essentially is being split up into the haves and the have nots ...

this legislation's true intent is to give corporations the choice ... the choice to source labour for as cheap as possible ...

know1

If unions cared about workers at all, they would disband. They are not needed anymore and they just offer higher temporary wages while the employers look for a place to outsource to. It's a lot easier to move operations to somewhere else these days than it was back when unions actually served a purpose.

know1

youngster wrote:

I am a member of a labor union in Boston. I don't understand why the majority of this country is so anti-union. I make a good wage, pay taxes, and work hard for my pay. No one put a gun to my head and forced me to join the union. If I get laid off, when I do get back to work I don't have to take a pay cut. I don't have to go back to school and pay more money to learn a new skill. I don't have to type resumes and go to job interviews to get hired. There is a lot to back me up as a worker. If I am not perfroming up to the standards of the union and the company I work for, I will be laid off. Believe me, word gets around fast who does shitty work and doesn't show up on time etc. It is hard to stay working if you have a bad name in the union. Yes, I pay dues to my local union, but it's like buying an insurance policy. No one boss is going to cut my pay because the company is in the red for the year, or gotta cut back on your days cause there isn't enough work.

There is still a need for unions in this country. Fire Depts, police, athletes, actors, writers, mostly all of them belong to a union. It's not really a bad thing. People get all hung up on paying union dues. If you saw what I made per week after my dues were taken out, you'd be surprised. The dues are almost inconsequential.

Enjoy that while you can as your employer looks for someplace else to move your job.

None of those things really sound like much of a benefit to me.

cincybearcat

unsung wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

Right to work is for you to keep your CHOICE! DUDE Unions take away your choices and make you pay dues! Whatever happened choice! These union thugs in Michigan are assaulting people and are getting angry for no reason. These thugs are acting like uncivil gangmembers.

I'm not forced at all. I can CHOOSE to work someplace else.

Are you really ok with that?

Forcing someone to join a union in order to have a job is ridiculous. I believe Right to Work has it right. If the union is providing a valuable service to the employees, they will maintain membership levels.

JC29856

fear4freedom wrote:

JC29856 wrote:

Name 1 piece of federal legislation in the last however many years that "unions" lobbied and pushed for?

Obamacare! I was on the Capitol Lawn when SEIU was parading around us! I was there! I saw it! I was in it!

laughable... what about wages? wages have been stagnate since 1967!!

lukin2006

Jeanwah wrote:

Labor unions are the sole reason why true reform will never happen. There will never be any educational reform as longs as there are teacher unions. The reason the USPS is in trouble is because of the unions preventing them from privatizing. Of course some union members like the union for the high pay. But at what cost? The cost of a bankrupt country with under-educated children who will soon be the adults running this country.

No there not ...

lukin2006

Go Beavers wrote:

fear4freedom wrote:

JC29856 wrote:

Name 1 piece of federal legislation in the last however many years that "unions" lobbied and pushed for?

Obamacare! I was on the Capitol Lawn when SEIU was parading around us! I was there! I saw it! I was in it!

See lukin, he does know the inner workings!

I never said I know the inner workings ... I am a union member though. I would suggest unless someone has served in the union executive or higher up they probably don't know the inner workings.

The example of SEIU is laughable .... That just paints the unions in a good light ... Chances are most of the SEIU union members have health care, they are supporting a bill that they feel is beneficial for all.

EdsonNascimento

youngster wrote:

I am a member of a labor union in Boston. I don't understand why the majority of this country is so anti-union. I make a good wage, pay taxes, and work hard for my pay. No one put a gun to my head and forced me to join the union. If I get laid off, when I do get back to work I don't have to take a pay cut. I don't have to go back to school and pay more money to learn a new skill. I don't have to type resumes and go to job interviews to get hired. There is a lot to back me up as a worker. If I am not perfroming up to the standards of the union and the company I work for, I will be laid off. Believe me, word gets around fast who does shitty work and doesn't show up on time etc. It is hard to stay working if you have a bad name in the union. Yes, I pay dues to my local union, but it's like buying an insurance policy. No one boss is going to cut my pay because the company is in the red for the year, or gotta cut back on your days cause there isn't enough work.

There is still a need for unions in this country. Fire Depts, police, athletes, actors, writers, mostly all of them belong to a union. It's not really a bad thing. People get all hung up on paying union dues. If you saw what I made per week after my dues were taken out, you'd be surprised. The dues are almost inconsequential.

This is actually everything that is wrong with Unions. As you said yourself - you have no motivation to improve your skills or seek other employment while out of work. Mommy and Da...I mean the Union will give you a job.

Personally, I prefer to excel on my own. If I'm the best worker, my pay should reflect that. If I'm not good at what I do, I should find a new line of work and not cost other people jobs b/c I've been there longer.

Obviously, not everyone acts in such a way. But, it's the basic premise that is destructive to society. There are plenty of teachers that should be out of jobs while more educated, younger, potentially more talented recent college graduates are shut out by the Union system.

I'm fine if unions exist. But, I also thinks folks should have a right to choose. Don't tell men and women what to do with their bodies...errr... I mean money. You should be free to do as you please. How can anyone not be for that? :?

JC29856

i find ironic:
people that are so opposed to unions yet they waste 1/3 (if not more) of their life watching union employees on TV, most of which are the strongest of unions!

lukin2006

JC29856 wrote:

i find ironic:
people that are so opposed to unions yet they waste 1/3 (if not more) of their life watching union employees on TV, most of which are the strongest of unions!

not to mention attending sporting events, supporting musicians all of which belong to unions.

pjl44

lukin2006 wrote:

JC29856 wrote:

i find ironic:
people that are so opposed to unions yet they waste 1/3 (if not more) of their life watching union employees on TV, most of which are the strongest of unions!

not to mention attending sporting events, supporting musicians all of which belong to unions.

It's because people are entertained by their performances. No one cares about the terms of their employment. When you watch a movie are you also enthralled with the brand of carpeting used on the set?

cincybearcat

JC29856 wrote:

i find ironic:
people that are so opposed to unions yet they waste 1/3 (if not more) of their life watching union employees on TV, most of which are the strongest of unions!

And they bitch about the evil corporations while posting from their iphone.

JC29856

yeah, had a discussion last night with someone, totally tearing apart unions, why they are so bad, dragging down society, the whole bit, i mean the guy was intense... i said wow, you must hate sports...he said what? i love football, playoff baseball is the best... i said oh