it goes way back long before people were politically correct.
To me it takes Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years
and ties them up in a pretty bow
then if one celebrates a different holiday it puts it in there too.
The phrase here is 'Have a blessed holiday' I like that too.
We are blessings to each other
it goes way back long before people were politically correct.
To me it takes Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years
and ties them up in a pretty bow
then if one celebrates a different holiday it puts it in there too.
The phrase here is 'Have a blessed holiday' I like that too.
We are blessings to each other
Never thought of it that way. That's a really good explanation.
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it goes way back long before people were politically correct.
To me it takes Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years
and ties them up in a pretty bow
then if one celebrates a different holiday it puts it in there too.
The phrase here is 'Have a blessed holiday' I like that too.
We are blessings to each other
Never thought of it that way. That's a really good explanation.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Guess who started this 'War On Christmas'?
Retailers.
Retailers that want Christian dollars... and Jewish dollars and Hindu dollars and Muslim dollars and Scientologist dollars and Atheist dollars...
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It is the SAME Retailers that started all of the commercialization of Christmas... Santa Claus (in his current day incarnation) is is relatively modern invention to sell shit... originally, it was TOYS. The original Santa Claus was a formed from a Catholic Saint. and if you want 'Tradition'... why not bring back Krampus, Santa's demonic side-kick that doled out punishment to 'naughty' children?
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This whole 'War On Christmas' was invented by Bill O'Rielly to whore out his book, 'Culture Wars'. Only the dumbest in our society believes in it. 'Silent Night' is NOT outlawed. Neither are Nativity Scenes (excpet on Public Property funded by ALL Taxpayer dollars). You can put you Nativity Scene up in your front yard... your Church can put a Nativity scene up on it's property... just don't have non-christians fund your graven images on everyone's public property.
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Hail, Hail!!!
Guess who started this 'War On Christmas'?
Retailers.
Retailers that want Christian dollars... and Jewish dollars and Hindu dollars and Muslim dollars and Scientologist dollars and Atheist dollars...
...
It is the SAME Retailers that started all of the commercialization of Christmas... Santa Claus (in his current day incarnation) is is relatively modern invention to sell shit... originally, it was TOYS. The original Santa Claus was a formed from a Catholic Saint. and if you want 'Tradition'... why not bring back Krampus, Santa's demonic side-kick that doled out punishment to 'naughty' children?
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This whole 'War On Christmas' was invented by Bill O'Rielly to whore out his book, 'Culture Wars'. Only the dumbest in our society believes in it. 'Silent Night' is NOT outlawed. Neither are Nativity Scenes (excpet on Public Property funded by ALL Taxpayer dollars). You can put you Nativity Scene up in your front yard... your Church can put a Nativity scene up on it's property... just don't have non-christians fund your graven images on everyone's public property.
I see your point but if they already have, lets say the nativity scene and it has been put up for about the last fifty years..or a cross.......why all of a sudden does some group take them to court to stop it?....it cost nothing. On the other hand going to court does cost the tax payer money.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I see your point but if they already have, lets say the nativity scene and it has been put up for about the last fifty years..or a cross.......why all of a sudden does some group take them to court to stop it?....it cost nothing. On the other hand going to court does cost the tax payer money.
because public property should not cater to any one religion. EVER. simple as that. doesn't matter how long it's been going on.
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I see your point but if they already have, lets say the nativity scene and it has been put up for about the last fifty years..or a cross.......why all of a sudden does some group take them to court to stop it?....it cost nothing. On the other hand going to court does cost the tax payer money.
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To me... it is NOT about a Nativity Scene on Public Property as being seen as 'offensive'... it is more about it being 'exclusive'.
Example, how would you feel about a Symbol of Ramadan being hoisted up in from of your County and State buildings on your taxpayer dollars? Would you be offended by that?
My guess, probably not, because you are not insane. But, you would probably not want your taxpayer dollars being spent that way, right?
My point being... if you allow a Nativity Scene at Christmas... then, you HAVE to allow every other religion to do the same for their religious holidays, right? Minoras would have the same rights as Nativity Scenes... as would any images and/or symbols related to Islam, Hindi, Buddhism, Scientology, Santaria, Jedi Religion, Atheism, etc... That would fit into our founding principle of Freedom Of Religion... including Freedom From Religion.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I see your point but if they already have, lets say the nativity scene and it has been put up for about the last fifty years..or a cross.......why all of a sudden does some group take them to court to stop it?....it cost nothing. On the other hand going to court does cost the tax payer money.
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To me... it is NOT about a Nativity Scene on Public Property as being seen as 'offensive'... it is more about it being 'exclusive'.
Example, how would you feel about a Symbol of Ramadan being hoisted up in from of your County and State buildings on your taxpayer dollars? Would you be offended by that?
My guess, probably not, because you are not insane. But, you would probably not want your taxpayer dollars being spent that way, right?
My point being... if you allow a Nativity Scene at Christmas... then, you HAVE to allow every other religion to do the same for their religious holidays, right? Minoras would have the same rights as Nativity Scenes... as would any images and/or symbols related to Islam, Hindi, Buddhism, Scientology, Santaria, Jedi Religion, Atheism, etc... That would fit into our founding principle of Freedom Of Religion... including Freedom From Religion.
Would aerial be upset with the symbol of ramadan or the koran commandments in a courthouse........?
I see your point but if they already have, lets say the nativity scene and it has been put up for about the last fifty years..or a cross.......why all of a sudden does some group take them to court to stop it?....it cost nothing. On the other hand going to court does cost the tax payer money.
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To me... it is NOT about a Nativity Scene on Public Property as being seen as 'offensive'... it is more about it being 'exclusive'.
Example, how would you feel about a Symbol of Ramadan being hoisted up in from of your County and State buildings on your taxpayer dollars? Would you be offended by that?
My guess, probably not, because you are not insane. But, you would probably not want your taxpayer dollars being spent that way, right?
My point being... if you allow a Nativity Scene at Christmas... then, you HAVE to allow every other religion to do the same for their religious holidays, right? Minoras would have the same rights as Nativity Scenes... as would any images and/or symbols related to Islam, Hindi, Buddhism, Scientology, Santaria, Jedi Religion, Atheism, etc... That would fit into our founding principle of Freedom Of Religion... including Freedom From Religion.
Would aerial be upset with the symbol of ramadan or the koran commandments in a courthouse........?
If it is part of tradition that has been going on for years ....no problem with it....It is part of Americans culture.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Would aerial be upset with the symbol of ramadan or the koran commandments in a courthouse........?
If it is part of tradition that has been going on for years ....no problem with it....It is part of Americans culture.
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So... you would have absolutely no problem with the Islamic Law... being publicly funded by tax dollars... set up next to the 10 Commandments... in your local courthouse.
Well... good for you. Seriously.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Would aerial be upset with the symbol of ramadan or the koran commandments in a courthouse........?
If it is part of tradition that has been going on for years ....no problem with it....It is part of Americans culture.
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So... you would have absolutely no problem with the Islamic Law... being publicly funded by tax dollars... set up next to the 10 Commandments... in your local courthouse.
Well... good for you. Seriously.
Has that been the tradition in this country if yes...I am cool with it..... Sharia has not been part of the American culture for years has it?...NO.....so no, I am not cool with it. Americans should NOT have to give up part of the AMERICAN culture to please anyone.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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So... you would have absolutely no problem with the Islamic Law... being publicly funded by tax dollars... set up next to the 10 Commandments... in your local courthouse.
Well... good for you. Seriously.
Has that been the tradition in this country if yes...I am cool with it..... Sharia has not been part of the American culture for years has it?...NO.....so no, I am not cool with it. Americans should NOT have to give up part of the AMERICAN culture to please anyone.
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So... for you.. it all depends. If is existed before you were born... it's okay. If it happens while you are living... not okay. No new traditions. Got it.
Does that mean you'll be okay with it after you're dead?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
If it is part of tradition that has been going on for years ....no problem with it....It is part of Americans culture.
...
So... you would have absolutely no problem with the Islamic Law... being publicly funded by tax dollars... set up next to the 10 Commandments... in your local courthouse.
Well... good for you. Seriously.
Has that been the tradition in this country if yes...I am cool with it..... Sharia has not been part of the American culture for years has it?...NO.....so no, I am not cool with it. Americans should NOT have to give up part of the AMERICAN culture to please anyone.
Have you forgotten there is no "American Culture"? We live in a melting pot!!! Not to mention, conservatives need to give up on "traditional America". Things are changing, demographics are changing, the world constantly in a state of change. So you're gonna have to get used to it.
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So... you would have absolutely no problem with the Islamic Law... being publicly funded by tax dollars... set up next to the 10 Commandments... in your local courthouse.
Well... good for you. Seriously.
Has that been the tradition in this country if yes...I am cool with it..... Sharia has not been part of the American culture for years has it?...NO.....so no, I am not cool with it. Americans should NOT have to give up part of the AMERICAN culture to please anyone.
Have you forgotten there is no "American Culture"? We live in a melting pot!!! Not to mention, conservatives need to give up on "traditional America". Things are changing, demographics are changing, the world constantly in a state of change. So you're gonna have to get used to it.
I agree. And as far as giving a name to our culture, I'm in agreement with the term Derrick Jensen and others use for the culture that extends to all developed and developing countries: "the dominant culture".
This is what he means by that. it's lengthy but the first few minutes relate to "dominant culture". The whole video is well worth checking out:
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Has that been the tradition in this country if yes...I am cool with it..... Sharia has not been part of the American culture for years has it?...NO.....so no, I am not cool with it. Americans should NOT have to give up part of the AMERICAN culture to please anyone.
What's your cut off date for American culture? Before the Irish came here? Before the slaves were freed? Before colour TV?
If there's publicly funded religious displays, then all religions who ask for funding /space for their display should get the same amount.
Can you please define 'American culture' as you see it?
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So... you would have absolutely no problem with the Islamic Law... being publicly funded by tax dollars... set up next to the 10 Commandments... in your local courthouse.
Well... good for you. Seriously.
Has that been the tradition in this country if yes...I am cool with it..... Sharia has not been part of the American culture for years has it?...NO.....so no, I am not cool with it. Americans should NOT have to give up part of the AMERICAN culture to please anyone.
Have you forgotten there is no "American Culture"? We live in a melting pot!!! Not to mention, conservatives need to give up on "traditional America". Things are changing, demographics are changing, the world constantly in a state of change. So you're gonna have to get used to it.
100% agreed. Sorry, the American far right doesn't have the right to define what is part of "American Culture" and what is not.
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it goes way back long before people were politically correct.
To me it takes Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years
and ties them up in a pretty bow
then if one celebrates a different holiday it puts it in there too.
The phrase here is 'Have a blessed holiday' I like that too.
We are blessings to each other
"Becoming a Bruce fan is like hitting puberty as a musical fan. It's inevitable." - dcfaithful
Happy Holidays to you and yours!
Oh, and you had better believe I'll be rocking some Andy mother 'effing Williams Xmas tunes!
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Ans while you're at it, give this one a spin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtZR3lJobjw
For all of the so-called and called-for tolerance these days, there is so much that (to me, unnecessarily) offends people.
There are times I want to tell some folks to just shut the fuck up, grow a thicker skin, and accept the kindness and good energy offered.
(you'll take it, and like it :P )
Retailers.
Retailers that want Christian dollars... and Jewish dollars and Hindu dollars and Muslim dollars and Scientologist dollars and Atheist dollars...
...
It is the SAME Retailers that started all of the commercialization of Christmas... Santa Claus (in his current day incarnation) is is relatively modern invention to sell shit... originally, it was TOYS. The original Santa Claus was a formed from a Catholic Saint. and if you want 'Tradition'... why not bring back Krampus, Santa's demonic side-kick that doled out punishment to 'naughty' children?
...
This whole 'War On Christmas' was invented by Bill O'Rielly to whore out his book, 'Culture Wars'. Only the dumbest in our society believes in it. 'Silent Night' is NOT outlawed. Neither are Nativity Scenes (excpet on Public Property funded by ALL Taxpayer dollars). You can put you Nativity Scene up in your front yard... your Church can put a Nativity scene up on it's property... just don't have non-christians fund your graven images on everyone's public property.
Hail, Hail!!!
I see your point but if they already have, lets say the nativity scene and it has been put up for about the last fifty years..or a cross.......why all of a sudden does some group take them to court to stop it?....it cost nothing. On the other hand going to court does cost the tax payer money.
because public property should not cater to any one religion. EVER. simple as that. doesn't matter how long it's been going on.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
To me... it is NOT about a Nativity Scene on Public Property as being seen as 'offensive'... it is more about it being 'exclusive'.
Example, how would you feel about a Symbol of Ramadan being hoisted up in from of your County and State buildings on your taxpayer dollars? Would you be offended by that?
My guess, probably not, because you are not insane. But, you would probably not want your taxpayer dollars being spent that way, right?
My point being... if you allow a Nativity Scene at Christmas... then, you HAVE to allow every other religion to do the same for their religious holidays, right? Minoras would have the same rights as Nativity Scenes... as would any images and/or symbols related to Islam, Hindi, Buddhism, Scientology, Santaria, Jedi Religion, Atheism, etc... That would fit into our founding principle of Freedom Of Religion... including Freedom From Religion.
Hail, Hail!!!
Would aerial be upset with the symbol of ramadan or the koran commandments in a courthouse........?
If it is part of tradition that has been going on for years ....no problem with it....It is part of Americans culture.
So... you would have absolutely no problem with the Islamic Law... being publicly funded by tax dollars... set up next to the 10 Commandments... in your local courthouse.
Well... good for you. Seriously.
Hail, Hail!!!
Has that been the tradition in this country if yes...I am cool with it..... Sharia has not been part of the American culture for years has it?...NO.....so no, I am not cool with it. Americans should NOT have to give up part of the AMERICAN culture to please anyone.
So... for you.. it all depends. If is existed before you were born... it's okay. If it happens while you are living... not okay. No new traditions. Got it.
Does that mean you'll be okay with it after you're dead?
Hail, Hail!!!
Have you forgotten there is no "American Culture"? We live in a melting pot!!! Not to mention, conservatives need to give up on "traditional America". Things are changing, demographics are changing, the world constantly in a state of change. So you're gonna have to get used to it.
I agree. And as far as giving a name to our culture, I'm in agreement with the term Derrick Jensen and others use for the culture that extends to all developed and developing countries: "the dominant culture".
This is what he means by that. it's lengthy but the first few minutes relate to "dominant culture". The whole video is well worth checking out:
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/11/15/ ... jensen_the
If there's publicly funded religious displays, then all religions who ask for funding /space for their display should get the same amount.
Can you please define 'American culture' as you see it?
100% agreed. Sorry, the American far right doesn't have the right to define what is part of "American Culture" and what is not.
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