Eddie solo shows and crowd yelling

Giuseppe Eisonhawk

just STFU I think he'll squeeze an extra song or measure's in for sure. it's difficult how true REAL artists engage the fans. allow these shows to marinate & while awhile. squeeling is for pigs. did Ed schedual any of these or other solo tour dates on YOUR mother's birthday? That may get a solid hoot from me, I'm solid on the fact that Eddie's pop used to sing to my adoptive parents in Saratoga back in the day. or should I just make a sign: "I bought your used The GLove & disco c.d.'s @ Discline" so seriously, did Ed schedual any of these or other solo tour dates on YOUR mother's birthday? my mom & I are going December 3rd - btw. keep kewl y'all HEART XjO

shetellsherself

I was only at Tulsa 2 but in speaking with others who were at both and reading posts here it does seem that night 2 was better than night 1. Glen got some serious love and positive interaction from the crowd which he deserves. There were definitely drunken idiots, one in particular behind me to my left. It took the crowd a little while to shut up for sleepless nights.... As someone who gave up all mind altering substances years ago I support the stop selling at the venue. Drink or whatever before you come if you must. Also escorting persistently rude and disruptive idiots would be great. They were strict with the no pics last night. Saw someone get kicked out after taking 1 pic right at the beginning of Ed's set.

dusthimself

Was at Tulsa Night 2 last night as well. Was so glad they banned pictures, it was annoying just seeing a few go off every once in a while.

I usually take a few (non-flash) pictures at venues, but I notice that I get way more engaged and enjoy the show waaaay more when I pay full attention to the stage. That said, it goes the same when people are being rowdy, rude, or just plain being dicks.

Was nice last night though when this one woman wouldn't sit down and just kept dancing (during "Sometimes" no less) and was blocking the view for everyone behind her. Turns out she wasn't even in her seat so when the original "owners" showed up, there was a raucous and she ended up getting forcibly removed to a standing ovation of everyone that was around/behind her.

The Brady staff handled themselves very well last night.

what dreams

I'll never go to an Ed solo show again. Only did it once and had a pretty awful time -- not because of the so-called "obnoxious drunk talkers" but because the crowd was so freaking uptight. They tried to convince me I was in The Church of the High Priest, but I didn't buy it. Those are the worst kind of PJ fans as far as I'm concerned, and Eddie's ego, I've discovered, is large enough to encourage them. I bet if Ed farted, they'd call it number 31 on the setlist.

The funny thing about the drinking -- at the venue I attended (Detroit, where everyone post-show complained but I didn't hear a single shout, fight, or whatever from where I sat), I bought a beer at the beginning. I also wanted to take a bottle of water into the theatre to drink later in the show. This way I wouldn't have to get up and disturb people around me. The woman at the bar took the cap off my water and tossed it, and I was like, "I really wanted to save this for later. Can I have another one with the top left on?" She said (honest god's truth) "At the request of the performer, all bottle tops must be removed from drinks at the point of sale." I was like, what the fuck? What did he think I would do, throw the cap at him? Ed thought he could decide when I drink my water? Fuck him. I was so pissed that I said, "keep the water" and instead got up twice during the show to buy water just to piss everybody else off, too.

Look, I was trained in classical music. One of the number one rules I learned from all my teachers was this: Learn to perform past all the audience distractions. If Ed is such a pro, then he can play his little ukulele just fine even with the local yokels yacking in aisle three. Give me a break, people. His uke has four strings and the songs consist of two or three chord changes. It's not Bach or Wagner he's playing. If he can't handle a few folks singing along or woo-wooing in between, then maybe he ought not try. And if you can't tolerate the social experience that any concert is, classical or uke-folk, then I suggest you all stay home and watch Water on the Road in your living room instead. I for one will be happy to do just that. Multi-millionaire, anonymous-donor-PAC-fundraiser-solo-Ed won't be getting any more of my money.

So like Ed himself has come to say quite frequently recently: If you don't like what I have to say, I don't have time to care.

Kathi

The water bottle thing is fairly normal...it's to prevent people from throwing full bottles. If you throw one without a cap, it can't hit & hurt anyone as it will simply empty itself during its flight. My friend got hit in the head by a full bottle at this year's Reading festival, and she nearly lost consciousness, so yes it is dangerous. It's unlikely to happen at a quiet show, but I guess it's a general security measure. And yeah, nice form of rebellion there... :roll:

You can yell all you want at loud rock gigs, cause there's a big enough PA system to keep me and everyone else from hearing your crap for the most part. However, this is not tthe case for accoustic gigs, and I really don't get why it's so hard for people to shut up for 2 hours. Me and everyone else paid to hear Eddie sing and tell his stories, and not to listen to whooping, screaming, chatting, or whatever else some drunks feel the need to share with the whole audience. That has nothing to do with a concert being a social experience, it's just someone who desperately needs attention trying to get his 15 seconds of fame.

Empty Glass

Ed should tour with his band more and the yelling problem will be no longer...

Abe Froman

what dreams wrote:

I'll never go to an Ed solo show again. Only did it once and had a pretty awful time -- not because of the so-called "obnoxious drunk talkers" but because the crowd was so freaking uptight. They tried to convince me I was in The Church of the High Priest, but I didn't buy it. Those are the worst kind of PJ fans as far as I'm concerned, and Eddie's ego, I've discovered, is large enough to encourage them. I bet if Ed farted, they'd call it number 31 on the setlist.

The funny thing about the drinking -- at the venue I attended (Detroit, where everyone post-show complained but I didn't hear a single shout, fight, or whatever from where I sat), I bought a beer at the beginning. I also wanted to take a bottle of water into the theatre to drink later in the show. This way I wouldn't have to get up and disturb people around me. The woman at the bar took the cap off my water and tossed it, and I was like, "I really wanted to save this for later. Can I have another one with the top left on?" She said (honest god's truth) "At the request of the performer, all bottle tops must be removed from drinks at the point of sale." I was like, what the fuck? What did he think I would do, throw the cap at him? Ed thought he could decide when I drink my water? Fuck him. I was so pissed that I said, "keep the water" and instead got up twice during the show to buy water just to piss everybody else off, too.

Look, I was trained in classical music. One of the number one rules I learned from all my teachers was this: Learn to perform past all the audience distractions. If Ed is such a pro, then he can play his little ukulele just fine even with the local yokels yacking in aisle three. Give me a break, people. His uke has four strings and the songs consist of two or three chord changes. It's not Bach or Wagner he's playing. If he can't handle a few folks singing along or woo-wooing in between, then maybe he ought not try. And if you can't tolerate the social experience that any concert is, classical or uke-folk, then I suggest you all stay home and watch Water on the Road in your living room instead. I for one will be happy to do just that. Multi-millionaire, anonymous-donor-PAC-fundraiser-solo-Ed won't be getting any more of my money.

So like Ed himself has come to say quite frequently recently: If you don't like what I have to say, I don't have time to care.

:roll:

dasvidana

I second the water bottle cap thing being a standard request. I saw the Who last night in Montreal and the cap was taken off the bottle at the point of sale. I guess people think it's funny to make a missile out of a bottle.

As far as the Ed shows and the noise, I don't think anyone is complaining about the whooping in between songs. That is how we show Ed our appreciation for what he does. It's when the whooping occurs during the stories and the songs that people mind.

The whole alcohol thing should be limited to the lobby. If you cannot wait for 2 hours to drink alcohol, I think you've got bigger problems than hearing live music.

JOEJOEJOE

A few thoughts:

Most venues insist on retaining the cap from a water bottle....it is not some sort of EV-only policy.

Venues rely on alcohol sales for a huge portion of their income, so abolishing the sale of booze would make it unfeasible to do a show without raising the ticket prices.

When people yell at quiet shows, it hinders the vibe, so I don't think EV's ego is the issue.

Luckily, Eddie doesn't have to listen to advice from classical music teachers.....I am sure he is capable of plucking his uke when people hollar, but perhaps, he cares enough about the crowd to hush those who choose to yell at inopportune times.

what dreams

I still think it's more of a vibe killer when people constantly fight what will naturally occur when human beings mix. During one of the early songs of the show I attended, I turned to my friend and innocently _whispered one sentence_ "My god, listen to his voice resonate in this theatre." Some idiot in front of me turns around, and three times louder than my innocuous, very quiet, private comment decides to "SSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" me. Does he not think "SSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" makes any noise? Does he not realize that his choice to engage me created a bigger scene than if I just softly appreciated the beauty of what I was hearing and moved along with the music? Because guess what? I didn't slouch guiltily in my seat, and I didn't "SSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH." I told that dude that "nobody shushes me" and I would say whatever I damned well wanted whenever I wanted. He didn't know I was already pissed that I couldn't carry a freaking water bottle in my merch bag while I sipped the growing-warm 20-ounce supersize beer I bought because nobody sells normal sized alcohol anymore. No wonder everyone gets drunk.

This same dude then seat-jumped about half-way through the show, deciding it was okay for him to break his own rule of choice after trying to condescend with me. I then read later on the reviews here that fights broke out at the show I attended -- for what?! Is it really that much worth it? Just leave each to his own and chill the fuck out. Unless someone has thrown up on you, groped your girlfiend, stolen your wallet, or some other bodily harm, let people have their innocent time. If they want to shout "BLLAACCKKK", so what?! Eddie's sound system is loud enough to accommodate it. Nobody is going to miss any songs. Trust me. If you concentrate on the music, you don't notice the bullshit around you.

Honestly, everytime the dude tours, it's the same old, same old. Three solo tours later, everyone should expect other people to make noise by now. Have fun with it or stay home. You are not getting a private viewing anymore than anyone else who pays for a ticket. If Eddie wants his perfect crowd, he should do invite-only audiences of people who pass his good behavior test in advance. Otherwise, he really shouldn't keep doing the "intimate thing." From what I can tell, he hates it more than he enjoys it, and the complaints on this board reflect that audiences feel the same.

dimitrispearljam

what dreams wrote:

I still think it's more of a vibe killer when people constantly fight what will naturally occur when human beings mix. During one of the early songs of the show I attended, I turned to my friend and innocently _whispered one sentence_ "My god, listen to his voice resonate in this theatre." Some idiot in front of me turns around, and three times louder than my innocuous, very quiet, private comment decides to "SSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" me. Does he not think "SSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" makes any noise? Does he not realize that his choice to engage me created a bigger scene than if I just softly appreciated the beauty of what I was hearing and moved along with the music? Because guess what? I didn't slouch guiltily in my seat, and I didn't "SSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH." I told that dude that "nobody shushes me" and I would say whatever I damned well wanted whenever I wanted. He didn't know I was already pissed that I couldn't carry a freaking water bottle in my merch bag while I sipped the growing-warm 20-ounce supersize beer I bought because nobody sells normal sized alcohol anymore. No wonder everyone gets drunk.

This same dude then seat-jumped about half-way through the show, deciding it was okay for him to break his own rule of choice after trying to condescend with me. I then read later on the reviews here that fights broke out at the show I attended -- for what?! Is it really that much worth it? Just leave each to his own and chill the fuck out. Unless someone has thrown up on you, groped your girlfiend, stolen your wallet, or some other bodily harm, let people have their innocent time. If they want to shout "BLLAACCKKK", so what?! Eddie's sound system is loud enough to accommodate it. Nobody is going to miss any songs. Trust me. If you concentrate on the music, you don't notice the bullshit around you.

Honestly, everytime the dude tours, it's the same old, same old. Three solo tours later, everyone should expect other people to make noise by now. Have fun with it or stay home. You are not getting a private viewing anymore than anyone else who pays for a ticket. If Eddie wants his perfect crowd, he should do invite-only audiences of people who pass his good behavior test in advance. Otherwise, he really shouldn't keep doing the "intimate thing." From what I can tell, he hates it more than he enjoys it, and the complaints on this board reflect that audiences feel the same.

i know alot of people jump on you about what u say..but i understand where u coming from..
its a show..like 2-3000 people is there ,you cant police everyone,not talk,no chat,no shout..
then as u say...stay home and see the dvd..
its stupid to get drunk and scream like an idiot during the show
same is to not even breath..
i cant imagine myself to atleast not chat about what we see ,listen and feel with the person im at the show..

btw they do that with a bottle with water....but they do it everywhere tho..not with eddie vedder shows only

i think common sense is the best here..
you gonna talk..you gonna sing along..you gonna clap,,you gonna smile..you gonna chat..you gonna laugh

but not over reacting..is a man alone on stage..with a guitar..cant scream like crazy every minute..

what dreams

dimitrispearljam wrote:

what dreams wrote:

I still think it's more of a vibe killer when people constantly fight what will naturally occur when human beings mix. During one of the early songs of the show I attended, I turned to my friend and innocently _whispered one sentence_ "My god, listen to his voice resonate in this theatre." Some idiot in front of me turns around, and three times louder than my innocuous, very quiet, private comment decides to "SSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" me. Does he not think "SSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" makes any noise? Does he not realize that his choice to engage me created a bigger scene than if I just softly appreciated the beauty of what I was hearing and moved along with the music? Because guess what? I didn't slouch guiltily in my seat, and I didn't "SSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH." I told that dude that "nobody shushes me" and I would say whatever I damned well wanted whenever I wanted. He didn't know I was already pissed that I couldn't carry a freaking water bottle in my merch bag while I sipped the growing-warm 20-ounce supersize beer I bought because nobody sells normal sized alcohol anymore. No wonder everyone gets drunk.

This same dude then seat-jumped about half-way through the show, deciding it was okay for him to break his own rule of choice after trying to condescend with me. I then read later on the reviews here that fights broke out at the show I attended -- for what?! Is it really that much worth it? Just leave each to his own and chill the fuck out. Unless someone has thrown up on you, groped your girlfiend, stolen your wallet, or some other bodily harm, let people have their innocent time. If they want to shout "BLLAACCKKK", so what?! Eddie's sound system is loud enough to accommodate it. Nobody is going to miss any songs. Trust me. If you concentrate on the music, you don't notice the bullshit around you.

Honestly, everytime the dude tours, it's the same old, same old. Three solo tours later, everyone should expect other people to make noise by now. Have fun with it or stay home. You are not getting a private viewing anymore than anyone else who pays for a ticket. If Eddie wants his perfect crowd, he should do invite-only audiences of people who pass his good behavior test in advance. Otherwise, he really shouldn't keep doing the "intimate thing." From what I can tell, he hates it more than he enjoys it, and the complaints on this board reflect that audiences feel the same.

i know alot of people jump on you about what u say..but i understand where u coming from..
its a show..like 2-3000 people is there ,you cant police everyone,not talk,no chat,no shout..
then as u say...stay home and see the dvd..
its stupid to get drunk and scream like an idiot during the show
same is to not even breath..
i cant imagine myself to atleast not chat about what we see ,listen and feel with the person im at the show..

btw they do that with a bottle with water....but they do it everywhere tho..not with eddie vedder shows only

i think common sense is the best here..
you gonna talk..you gonna sing along..you gonna clap,,you gonna smile..you gonna chat..you gonna laugh

but not over reacting..is a man alone on stage..with a guitar..cant scream like crazy every minute..

Thanks for speaking truth against conventional wisdom . . . you are a man with common sense and a man who understands human nature.

brianwilson

DeBarr wrote:

First off, I think Ed does a pretty good job of tactfully handling the obnoxious screaming fans at these shows. But it is a major problem. I think some of the problem is that Ed engages the crowd and even encourages responses at various times throughout the show, and many people are not mature enough to handle that. Then Ed gets annoyed (along with most everyone else) when those who can't handle that opportunity, and become a distraction to the whole show and experience. I would think he would know what is going to happen.

I guess my question is: How should this problem best be handled? Should Ed come out and clearly lay the rules from the start, or would that risk turning the many idiots in the crowd against him, and make it worse?

Or, should they send out a venue rep prior to to Ed taking the stage to say "If you are screaming at the artist you will be removed, and we will enforce that"? In the way that such behavior would not be tolerated at 99% of the other performances that take place in these smaller performing arts center venues.

Yeah, "It is a major problem." And, "How should this problem best be handled?" They should make an announcement beforehand, you'll be kicked out, etc.?

Ahhhhahhahahaaha.. Gimme a break.. A little annoying, at a small theater for a mellow solo show but settle down. This thread is like the Anal-Uber fans on here that get mad if people are talking, or, god forbid, sitting down at a PJ show. I know, I know, they must not be as big or as knowledgeable a breed of fans if they are annoying you.

Remember the old saying about being upset: "It doesn't make you mad - you make you mad."

xtal

The big problem is the alcohol. Yes, the venue and Ed make a lot of money this way, but they could disallow drinking in the seating area and only allow it at the bar. To be honest, since he overcharges for merch, and his tickets are pretty expensive, it would seem they are already making enough money, and they could get rid of the alcohol altogether. It really is the main problem.

OR, instead of focusing so intensely on use of cameras, he could have the ushers/bouncers focus on removing the people who are talking through the entire set. I assure you that camera use is way less annoying than people talking and not being able to hear the show. The flash might annoy my view, but at least I could HEAR the music, which is why we're all there.

lyears

Was it like this at the Euro shows too?

Kathi

lyears wrote:

Was it like this at the Euro shows too?

Manchester had a lot of yelling and crowd noise. People were being rude during Glen's set as well, talking all the time; I know some people only got in late cause there were huge queues at the merch stand.
London had bits of it, but it was fine for the most part. Amsterdam was perfect, regarding security as well as crowd, and the atmosphere of the place was really beautiful.

curmudgeoness

what dreams wrote:

Look, I was trained in classical music. One of the number one rules I learned from all my teachers was this: Learn to perform past all the audience distractions. If Ed is such a pro, then he can play his little ukulele just fine even with the local yokels yacking in aisle three. Give me a break, people. His uke has four strings and the songs consist of two or three chord changes. It's not Bach or Wagner he's playing. If he can't handle a few folks singing along or woo-wooing in between, then maybe he ought not try.

I guess you missed the news story about how a guy's cell phone kept going off, loudly, during the final movement of Mahler 9 at the New York Philharmonic earlier this year. Alan Gilbert actually stopped the concert and confronted the culprit.

There's a time and a place for everything. Being a drunken jackass is more or less acceptable at a football game or a PJ concert -- at a solo acoustic show, not so much. Whether or not Ed can handle the distraction is not the point. The point is, other people paid good money to see/hear the artist, not some random drunk person.

jeffdamnright

Read my review in the Orlando 2 fanview...it says it all. So many self important fly by night wanna be fans. Way to many dewshes.

JB128716

I like the idea of the rest of the crowd yelling, "This is not for you" after the first yell.

After the 2nd yell, the crowd should yell, "Never was for you."

After the 3rd yell, the crowd should yell, "F You."

That would be fun.

dimitrispearljam

JB128716 wrote:

I like the idea of the rest of the crowd yelling, "This is not for you" after the first yell.

After the 2nd yell, the crowd should yell, "Never was for you."

After the 3rd yell, the crowd should yell, "F You."

That would be fun.