Israel/Gaza

polaris_x

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I'm not sure what this means.

it means if you believe the IDF is responsible for atrocities and human rights violations - you are not going to support someone who actively raises money for them ... pretty obvious no?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

polaris_x wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I'm not sure what this means.

it means if you believe the IDF is responsible for atrocities and human rights violations - you are not going to support someone who actively raises money for them ... pretty obvious no?

I'm learning as I go. I don't know what I believe yet.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Byrnzie wrote:

Or are you suggesting his blindness gives him immunity from criticism?

this is a pretty massive leap. please, that's not necessary, Byrnzie.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

apparently this thread is more about arguing instead of the exchange of ideas and learning. I'm out. I'll know better to stay away from Israel threads from now on.

EdsonNascimento

Byrnzie wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Why? Because he doesn't support what you do?

I support an end to the illegal occupation and Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign. What do you support?

Truth. Not spin.

I'll beat you to your reply - no you don't. What I (Byrnzie) says is right and what you (Pele) does is spin. And, that would be the point. So, carry on with your self aggrandizement. You are not the holder of all that is true. That is your opinion of what is happening. You are certainly entitled to it. But, to call a person a dick simply because they don't believe what you believe or support what you support just goes to show your true colors. You have no interest in open, honest dialog, only in that everyone's world view conforms to yours. Good luck.

polaris_x

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Truth. Not spin.

I'll beat you to your reply - no you don't. What I (Byrnzie) says is right and what you (Pele) does is spin. And, that would be the point. So, carry on with your self aggrandizement. You are not the holder of all that is true. That is your opinion of what is happening. You are certainly entitled to it. But, to call a person a dick simply because they don't believe what you believe or support what you support just goes to show your true colors. You have no interest in open, honest dialog, only in that everyone's world view conforms to yours. Good luck.

you could try and practice what you preach to raise the level of discourse ... if you follow this thread - you haven't offered much except for standard pro-israel talking points (much of which has been countered by various people here) of which you offer no reply ...

dimitrispearljam

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

apparently this thread is more about arguing instead of the exchange of ideas and learning. I'm out. I'll know better to stay away from Israel threads from now on.

yeah..thats the best idea ..sometimes for the most of AMT forum...
i dont even read the usual suspects of hate anymore....

gimmesometruth27

Foreign Minister: France plans 'yes' vote on Palestinian statehood at UN General Assembly

http://news.yahoo.com/foreign-minister- ... 20780.html

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PARIS - The French foreign minister says France plans to vote in favour of recognition of a Palestinian state at the U.N. General Assembly this week.

Laurent Fabius has told parliament that France has long supported Palestinian ambitions for statehood and "will respond 'yes'" when the issue comes up for a vote "out of a concern for coherency."

With the announcement Tuesday, France — a permanent member of the Security Council — becomes the first major European country to come out in favour. It amounts to a setback for Israel.

The Palestinians say the assembly is likely to vote Thursday on a resolution raising their status at the United Nations from an observer to a nonmember observer state, a move they believe is an important step toward a two-state solution with Israel.
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Hugh Freaking Dillon

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Foreign Minister: France plans 'yes' vote on Palestinian statehood at UN General Assembly

http://news.yahoo.com/foreign-minister- ... 20780.html

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PARIS - The French foreign minister says France plans to vote in favour of recognition of a Palestinian state at the U.N. General Assembly this week.

Laurent Fabius has told parliament that France has long supported Palestinian ambitions for statehood and "will respond 'yes'" when the issue comes up for a vote "out of a concern for coherency."

With the announcement Tuesday, France — a permanent member of the Security Council — becomes the first major European country to come out in favour. It amounts to a setback for Israel.

The Palestinians say the assembly is likely to vote Thursday on a resolution raising their status at the United Nations from an observer to a nonmember observer state, a move they believe is an important step toward a two-state solution with Israel.
..

I guess the US is going to be bringing back the freedom fries.........

polaris_x

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I guess the US is going to be bringing back the freedom fries.........

back already? ...

JC29856

not sure how anyone can call indisputable and irrefutable facts and visual graphics in black and white "opinion"

JC29856

“Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval vessels to bomb densely-crowded refugee camps, schools, apartment blocks, mosques and slums to attack a population that has no air force, no air defense, no navy, no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized armor, no command in control, no army and calls it a war. IT IS NOT WAR. IT IS MURDER.”

JC29856

Ovadia Yosef, stated in November 2010 that: “Goyim [gentiles]were born to serve us. Without that they have no place in the world, only to serve the people of Israel. … Why are the gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi [lord] and eat. That is why gentiles were created.”

gimmesometruth27

JC29856 wrote:

“Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval vessels to bomb densely-crowded refugee camps, schools, apartment blocks, mosques and slums to attack a population that has no air force, no air defense, no navy, no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized armor, no command in control, no army and calls it a war. IT IS NOT WAR. IT IS MURDER.”

the bolded and underlined parts are a very powerful statement. when i think about it, it is not a war. it is bullying at its best and outright murder at its worst.

legally speaking, is it even possible to have a "war" on the people that live in an area of land that is not internationally recognized as a state or country?

mickeyrat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

JC29856 wrote:

“Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval vessels to bomb densely-crowded refugee camps, schools, apartment blocks, mosques and slums to attack a population that has no air force, no air defense, no navy, no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized armor, no command in control, no army and calls it a war. IT IS NOT WAR. IT IS MURDER.”

the bolded and underlined parts are a very powerful statement. when i think about it, it is not a war. it is bullying at its best and outright murder at its worst.

legally speaking, is it even possible to have a "war" on the people that live in an area of land that is not internationally recognized as a state or country?

maybe a bit off topic, how are we in a "war on terror"? Sems the same justification is being used. Although I believe there is deliberate intended action on Israels part to provoke a response.

catefrances

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Foreign Minister: France plans 'yes' vote on Palestinian statehood at UN General Assembly

http://news.yahoo.com/foreign-minister- ... 20780.html

..


PARIS - The French foreign minister says France plans to vote in favour of recognition of a Palestinian state at the U.N. General Assembly this week.

Laurent Fabius has told parliament that France has long supported Palestinian ambitions for statehood and "will respond 'yes'" when the issue comes up for a vote "out of a concern for coherency."

With the announcement Tuesday, France — a permanent member of the Security Council — becomes the first major European country to come out in favour. It amounts to a setback for Israel.

The Palestinians say the assembly is likely to vote Thursday on a resolution raising their status at the United Nations from an observer to a nonmember observer state, a move they believe is an important step toward a two-state solution with Israel.
..

prime minister julia gillard was all for voting no but after from intense pressure from labor heavyweights including former foreign minister gareth eveans who said a no vote would be austalias worst foreign affairs decision in 10 years, australia has decided to abstain from voting. such a weak move. and it is a move i do not support.(obviously)

gimmesometruth27

catefrances wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Foreign Minister: France plans 'yes' vote on Palestinian statehood at UN General Assembly

http://news.yahoo.com/foreign-minister- ... 20780.html

..


PARIS - The French foreign minister says France plans to vote in favour of recognition of a Palestinian state at the U.N. General Assembly this week.

Laurent Fabius has told parliament that France has long supported Palestinian ambitions for statehood and "will respond 'yes'" when the issue comes up for a vote "out of a concern for coherency."

With the announcement Tuesday, France — a permanent member of the Security Council — becomes the first major European country to come out in favour. It amounts to a setback for Israel.

The Palestinians say the assembly is likely to vote Thursday on a resolution raising their status at the United Nations from an observer to a nonmember observer state, a move they believe is an important step toward a two-state solution with Israel.
..

prime minister julia gillard was all for voting no but after from intense pressure from labor heavyweights including former foreign minister gareth eveans who said a no vote would be austalias worst foreign affairs decision in 10 years, australia has decided to abstain from voting. such a weak move. and it is a move i do not support.(obviously)

australia can not be neutral on a moving train. cowardly move if you ask me. but at least australia is not going to be the one to use a permanent veto like another country that i know...

polaris_x

canada will definitely vote no ... i would say we are more pro-israel than the US right now ... :evil:

catefrances

mickeyrat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

JC29856 wrote:

“Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval vessels to bomb densely-crowded refugee camps, schools, apartment blocks, mosques and slums to attack a population that has no air force, no air defense, no navy, no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized armor, no command in control, no army and calls it a war. IT IS NOT WAR. IT IS MURDER.”

the bolded and underlined parts are a very powerful statement. when i think about it, it is not a war. it is bullying at its best and outright murder at its worst.

legally speaking, is it even possible to have a "war" on the people that live in an area of land that is not internationally recognized as a state or country?

maybe a bit off topic, how are we in a "war on terror"? Sems the same justification is being used. Although I believe there is deliberate intended action on Israels part to provoke a response.

WAR is a powerful word. if we 'declare' war on something that means there is an enemy.. and that means there is something to fear. it also means one must choose sides.. either youre with us or your against us. of course its all bullshit but that doesnt stop the hawks just doing what they want to do. its all propanganda to get the population to feel the need to be protected... whether theres a real enemy/threat or not. remember all the bullshit rhetoric that was spewed out before the invasion of iraq?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

polaris_x wrote:

canada will definitely vote no ... i would say we are more pro-israel than the US right now ... :evil:

it would seem to me that Canada doesn't even know who they support:


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/03/01/f-canada-israel-relations.html


What is Canada's position on Palestinian statehood?

Canada supports the so-called two-state solution, which proposes two sovereign countries: Israel and a predominantly Arab Palestine, whose borders are yet to be negotiated between Israel and the Palestinians.

Netanyahu has publicly backed this arrangement but with stipulations, including at one point last spring a refusal to reset Israel's borders to those in place prior to 1967. He has also called on the Palestinians to return to the negotiating table without preconditions, a position that Canada supports.

Like Israel, the U.S. and some European countries, Canada opposed the Palestinians' September 2011 bid to be recognized as a state and to be allowed to join the UN, a largely symbolic gesture aimed at getting legitimacy on the world stage for the Palestinian cause.

In his speech before the UN General Assembly a few days after the bid, Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird decried it as a "unilateral action." He was criticized for withdrawing statements from an earlier draft of the speech that identified Canada as a "leading supporter" of the Palestinian people.

In 2010-11, Canada provided $70.6 million in aid to the Palestinian territories through CIDA programs.