For the record... today one of the new stars of a movie we're casting told me I was "really hot for an old guy."
So apparently I'm an old white man, too. And probably crotchety. But you'll never hear me whine about how the makeup of our country's population is changing. Because that's just the reality of the 21st century.
For the record... today one of the new stars of a movie we're casting told me I was "really hot for an old guy."
So apparently I'm an old white man, too. And probably crotchety. But you'll never hear me whine about how the makeup of our country's population is changing. Because that's just the reality of the 21st century.
for some of you who spew hate and shape a debate with race, class, creed or gender really need to lighten up alittle, Geez! There was no reason to get mad, angry or divisive here! Just a conversation about traditional America and BILL O!
I love how you intentionally post the most vile, racist, homophobic asshole you can find than then say anyone who supports his BS is "middle of the road."
This isn't "just a conversation about traditional America" at all. And you know it.
And you've got some nerve blubbering about people who "spew hate and shape the debate with race, class, creed or gender" when Bill O'Reilly said that Republicans lost the election and it was the fault of "the blacks and the latinos." Guess he forgot to add "Americans" at the end.
Are you seriously expecting a common sense answer? If so I think you have come to the wrong place. Bill O'Rielly has no place in any kind of rational conversation, who cares what he has to say anymore. We need to let this thread die a quick death.
...
Where's my gun?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Are you seriously expecting a common sense answer? If so I think you have come to the wrong place. Bill O'Rielly has no place in any kind of rational conversation, who cares what he has to say anymore. We need to let this thread die a quick death.
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Where's my gun?
obama took it from you...don't you remember? right after he got re-elected...i think it was friday
Are you seriously expecting a common sense answer? If so I think you have come to the wrong place. Bill O'Rielly has no place in any kind of rational conversation, who cares what he has to say anymore. We need to let this thread die a quick death.
...
Where's my gun?
obama took it from you...don't you remember? right after he got re-elected...i think it was friday
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Damn you, Obamaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
for some of you who spew hate and shape a debate with race, class, creed or gender really need to lighten up alittle, Geez! There was no reason to get mad, angry or divisive here! Just a conversation about traditional America and BILL O!
I love how you intentionally post the most vile, racist, homophobic asshole you can find than then say anyone who supports his BS is "middle of the road."
This isn't "just a conversation about traditional America" at all. And you know it.
And you've got some nerve blubbering about people who "spew hate and shape the debate with race, class, creed or gender" when Bill O'Reilly said that Republicans lost the election and it was the fault of "the blacks and the latinos." Guess he forgot to add "Americans" at the end.
LOL Your responses say ALOT about you and liberalism in general! You could post a video of the most evil man saying the most evil thing in the world and I would not have gotten bitter one bit! See....I believe all zones are free speech zones and you have the freedom to post whatever, whoever and whereever you wish, as long as its within the guidelines! You are one of those liberals that would love to shut things down if you dont agree huh? You would shut people up if you could huh? You would use beurocracy and the FCC to shut people that you dont agree with , down! HuH? I know your types! LOL Very revealing here to see it!
Theres no time like the present
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
You are one of those liberals that would love to shut things down if you dont agree huh? You would shut people up if you could huh? You would use beurocracy and the FCC to shut people that you dont agree with , down! HuH? I know your types! LOL Very revealing here to see it!
OL Your responses say ALOT about you and liberalism in general!
Yes. That we're sick and tired of conservatives pretending to "just want to have a discussion" when it's clear they want to create a big shit storm and then marvel at it.
And hey.. if someone posts something negative... cry about the FCC (like what?) and then say they don't believe in "free speech."
Thank you all for your analysis! Your responses say alot about who you are! Pandora, Aerial and some others have an open mind for being middle of the road! Bill O is middle of the road and for some of you who spew hate and shape a debate with race, class, creed or gender really need to lighten up alittle, Geez! There was no reason to get mad, angry or divisive here! Just a conversation about traditional America and BILL O!
As far as traditional America....i think its gone forever.....not that its a bad thing....but its gone!
I believe that America is good and provides hope to many around the world. I believe we lift up others who need it! I believe we need to preserve our economy and wealth generating machine for the good of all of humanity! We actually create wealth from nothing. We create it, meaning that if someone gets rich, someone else doesnt get poor from it! In a society that we envision....everyone has more! We wish for everyone to have more! We need to remember to thank the successful, the innovative and the risk takers! For some reason I think we forget to do that!
So today let us thank those who create jobs, wealth and hope! We sometimes forget that everything we see, utilize and consume....comes from the wealth that is created from our innovators, risk-takers, hard workers, and our successful! Thanks!
This sounds a bit like a trick question. You ask our input and then analyze us as individuals according to your take on our answers. Clever. Sorry some of us don't cut the mustard.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Actually, sir... you ask us to express our honest analysis of what a television celebrity says on his T.V. Shows... Our honest assessment is that Bill O'Rielly is a political entertainer who gets paid a big salary to sit in front of a camera and microphone to says thngs to a specific target audience in order to gain sponsorships to earn big sponsor dollars for the company he works for who, in turn, pays him very well for it.
If, it were true, that Bill O'Rielly was a Middle of The Road moderate, no one would watch him because there would not be the WWF type confrontation that his target audience responds to. They would not watch if he were a Middle of the Road guy, because he would have an understanding of an opposing viewpoint, find a common ground to stand upon and work out compormises to reach a solution that satisfies both sides of the debate. Boring. You demand Jerry Springer.... Jersey Shore... he knows who you are.
Bill O'Rielly relies on you. You are the reason why he is on television. You are what makes his show receive high ratings. High Ratings equals greater sponsorships that bring in greater revenues that result in greater pay checks to put in his bank account. You are his market.
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Then, look at the reaction we got... just as we'd expected. But, we knew this going in. We've read your posts... we read your messages... we know where you are coming from and we know where you stand.
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Now... go back and watch your wrestling shows.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
We all know that the point of that law was to make people with brown skin afraid to go out in public so the old white people in Phoenix didn't have to see them.
No, we don't, and honestly I have to believe even you don't literally think that. At any rate, what's unreasonable about asking suspected illegal aliens for their paperwork? The trouble is in identifying the suspected. And although that is enough for me personally not to support the law, that's far from the accusation you lay out.
I can't speak for aerial, but I'm not crying racism. That plays much too nicely into your antagonistic "wounded butterfly" (or whatever you said) nonsense from another thread. However, my personal lack of victimhood or oppression doesn't change the inherent racism in your multiple posts like this since the election. Take any of them (you've got plenty to choose from) and replace any those "old white man" concepts and replace white with "black". See how it sounds to you.
Racism is hatred of a race
If that were true, we wouldn't have any of the EEOC laws. For example, I don't have to "hate" a race to prefer working with people who look, sound, act like me over people who don't. I could have black or latino friends, not consider it a social stigma to be with them, but still not hire them. Employment discrimination doesn't require "hate" but is certainly a form of racism. A better technical definition (and certainly the one more common in today's parlance) would be any action or decision or judgement based on race/skin color rather than a person's actions or words.
All that said, there's no small irony in how you've defined racism in the midst of an attempt to justify your inimical vitriol against old white men, "crotchety" or otherwise.
Back in the 1950s, white men ruled the country. They were in virtually every leadership position from politics, commerce, culture and entertainment. There were no black senators, no Asian news anchors, no Latino men hosting TV variety shows and don't even get me started on how all gay characters in movies were either murders murder victims or limp-wristed caricatures meant only for comedy relief.
No argument there. I'd say we've come a long way. The problem with the way you express this is that it's only in your extreme, liberal head that conservatives actually want the world to be that way. Some may -- there are crazies all over -- but I can almost guarantee you no one on this board does, even those you disagree with regularly and most vehemently. When most conservatives talk about "taking the country back", we aren't picturing black men in chains for fuck's sake (and the fact that you might even believe something along those lines is worthy of some thought); we're talking about personal accountability, earning your keep, all that good stuff.
Now then, you believe liberal policies are the path (back, in my opinion) to those things, conservatives would disagree. That's the critical point of contention which I'm not even going to discuss. I'm not posting here to get you to agree with the conservative path, rather to be honest in your assertions about the end goals.
Pointing out that America is now a diverse population with many different races and kinds of families isn't "racist."
Don't kid yourself; that's barely the tip of the iceberg of what you were saying. And in any case is not what aerial (I bet) is reacting to.
"I'm concerned about what the prevalence of black men in prison says about our judicial system."
versus
"Why are there so many negroes in prison!"
Same topic, but not even close to the same meaning. How you say shit matters.
But the end of the story is that "Traditional America" is gone because what he MEANS is "back in the 50s when the blacks and the latinos and the gays didn't vote and the wives voted how their husbands told them to."
Sigh. That's all I can muster for this nonsense. Wait, who is "he" here? I've lost track. Eh, It doesn't matter, in your head, it's any old white man. Which is why your point of view is racist. And probably ageist (?). But yeah mostly the former.
you nailed it perfectly
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Wow! I was just catching up on 'what I've learned on AMT', and then I came here.
I'm going back to the latter. I'll post my two-bits and then take off!
My two-bits: the world is ruled by white men but things are changing and I liken it to mid-east men who don't want to lose control of their women (mostly)—just look at the pathetic depths they stoop to in order to fend off "westernism". For us, secession talk is whiny crazy-talk but at the base of it all, like mid-east men, it's still—all about control. It's The Power dance of Time baby.
As for Bill, forget about whether he's a white buffoon or what else anyone thinks he is, one fact is certain: his power is about control and someone affords his stay. Who? Powerful white men who own the airwaves? Or, the poeple he appeals to? Who knows what the cut is (as that in itself is one big complicated matter) but either way, in a commerce-driven democracy—it's a full circle reality.
What I passionately do feel IS important for US to see is this (not just Bill a-spewing): Social Mobility is lower in America than anytime in the past 30 years and is still declining. We have a plus $16 trillion dollar debt, our GNP continues to hover at the 100% benchmark, which means we don't even generate enough taxes to pay for the interest on this debt much less pay for all-things-government. This also means: even had Romney won—he still would have added to this debt. The U.S. Debt clock has us checking in at about $24 trillion in the next 3 years. This is not based on any Obama-factor but rather—business as usual.
In my opinion, Bill fumbled in his talk about what ails our country; he talked about Social Mobility factors by pointing fingers at the very bottome sectors. But, shit, like anything else—rolls downhill.
Accountability is OUR responsiblity. Dr. Carl Jung said: "We must learn to move individually responsible in a mass-minded way. I agree. The end.
Your true honest analysis here without getting angry please
Keep it pithy, honest and empathetic!
1) First off, unfortunately O'Reilly's whole argument was undercut by his false premise that "traditional America" is or can be determined merely by who is president.
2) His analysis was not unbiased..I believe he made it obvious, even by some of the adjectives he chose, that his personal convictions were driving the analysis.
3) The conclusions drawn from the percentages & other statistics that he presented were not direct. For instance, he drew a direct line from "secular progression" (non religious) movement being the norm at schools directly to teenage pregnancy, without considering--or even entertaining the existence of--any other cause.
4) Upon second view of the video, every time a statistic was flashed & talked about, O'Reily's next comment was an illogical leap to an assumption. Sure, it makes for an entertaining, flowing presentation, but I am also amazed at how this "trickery" can & does fool so many people. I imagine people sitting around shaking their heads saying "yeah!" while failing to even recognize the gigantic holes he is bounding over.
5) Ok I'm being too kind. His video presentation is better suited for the ripping apart in a college-level logic class--spot the "illogical conclusions drawn" assignment-- than being a feature on a nationally-syndicated television "news" program, that's for sure.
Maybe that's what another thread could be--"let's list the illogicalities & fallacies in O'Reilly's presentation".
And then ANOTHER thread could be "I'm pretty sure that people who use illogicalities and fallacies MUST do so because they couldn't prepare a decent-sounding argument without them"
And after all that, THEN, maybe, we could have enough well-founded respect for the argument ITSELF so as to begin addressing the actual issues...without all the "fog".
I wouldn't mind pointing out each ill-drawn conclusion in his presentation...but like I said...let the kids have a go at it...it's ripe for the ripping.
Bill chose those two subjects because they are liberal agendas.
Legalize pot and abortion rights.
He used those to show the loss of traditional values in our country.
I don't know all his beliefs but it is obvious he feels ,
like my father always felt back in the 60 and 70's, drugs are the downfall of this country.
He would include weed in that. He's really not wrong.
I would include legal drugs as well. Take a pill fix this and wreck your body in other ways.
And yes pot will wreck you body in ways they are now finding in studies.
He speaks of the children, he is right again, wouldn't it be better for our society,
our children to move further away from substance abuse?
I don't think pot is extremely harmful but it is not harmless either.
Unlike Bill I am not totally against legalization but I can understand his point of view.
As far as abortion doesn't everyone want to discourage abortion? It is the taking
of innocent life. He didn't go far right and say remove the right he said discourage. To me this means, education.
I don't understand why the left can be so intolerant of others who do not agree totally with
their beliefs. They cry that same fault in the right. I mean here is a middle of the road
commentary, not far right, and all we hear is ridiculous and insulting remarks based in bias ...
why because he is on Fox? the enemy camp, can't give the enemy any kudos
for fear of power given.
Change is coming but again that is only good if it brings us together not further apart.
I hear the left saying the right must use common sense, concede,
but for me the left looks just as guilty of not doing what they expect from the other side.
Your true honest analysis here without getting angry please
Keep it pithy, honest and empathetic!
1) First off, unfortunately O'Reilly's whole argument was undercut by his false premise that "traditional America" is or can be determined merely by who is president.
2) His analysis was not unbiased..I believe he made it obvious, even by some of the adjectives he chose, that his personal convictions were driving the analysis.
3) The conclusions drawn from the percentages & other statistics that he presented were not direct. For instance, he drew a direct line from "secular progression" (non religious) movement being the norm at schools directly to teenage pregnancy, without considering--or even entertaining the existence of--any other cause.
4) Upon second view of the video, every time a statistic was flashed & talked about, O'Reily's next comment was an illogical leap to an assumption. Sure, it makes for an entertaining, flowing presentation, but I am also amazed at how this "trickery" can & does fool so many people. I imagine people sitting around shaking their heads saying "yeah!" while failing to even recognize the gigantic holes he is bounding over.
5) Ok I'm being too kind. His video presentation is better suited for the ripping apart in a college-level logic class--spot the "illogical conclusions drawn" assignment-- than being a feature on a nationally-syndicated television "news" program, that's for sure.
Maybe that's what another thread could be--"let's list the illogicalities & fallacies in O'Reilly's presentation".
And then ANOTHER thread could be "I'm pretty sure that people who use illogicalities and fallacies MUST do so because they couldn't prepare a decent-sounding argument without them"
And after all that, THEN, maybe, we could have enough well-founded respect for the argument ITSELF so as to begin addressing the actual issues...without all the "fog".
I wouldn't mind pointing out each ill-drawn conclusion in his presentation...but like I said...let the kids have a go at it...it's ripe for the ripping.
Very good analysis by someone coming from the left! WOW I didnt think it was possible....but you did it! Great job! Now lets look at Pandora's below, another great analysis coming from the right! Interesting to see the responses....isnt it? It certainly is possible to have discussions without the labels and hatred!
Theres no time like the present
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
Bill chose those two subjects because they are liberal agendas.
Legalize pot and abortion rights.
He used those to show the loss of traditional values in our country.
I don't know all his beliefs but it is obvious he feels ,
like my father always felt back in the 60 and 70's, drugs are the downfall of this country.
He would include weed in that. He's really not wrong.
I would include legal drugs as well. Take a pill fix this and wreck your body in other ways.
And yes pot will wreck you body in ways they are now finding in studies.
He speaks of the children, he is right again, wouldn't it be better for our society,
our children to move further away from substance abuse?
I don't think pot is extremely harmful but it is not harmless either.
Unlike Bill I am not totally against legalization but I can understand his point of view.
As far as abortion doesn't everyone want to discourage abortion? It is the taking
of innocent life. He didn't go far right and say remove the right he said discourage. To me this means, education.
I don't understand why the left can be so intolerant of others who do not agree totally with
their beliefs. They cry that same fault in the right. I mean here is a middle of the road
commentary, not far right, and all we here is ridiculous and insulting remarks based in bias ...
why because he is on Fox? the enemy camp, can't give the enemy any kudos
for fear of power given.
Change is coming but again that is only good if it brings us together not further apart.
I hear the left saying the right must use common sense, concede,
but for me the left looks just as guilty of not doing what they expect from the other side.
You are exactly right! Bill O is in the middle by taking a stand that says "discourage' and "educate" when it comes to abortion! We know he is pro life, but hey, shouldnt we all discourage abortion? I mean, since when is it a healthy good thing to do? Bill O is middle of the road, but since he is the most successful ever, and on Fox, he is demonized! Truth is, he gets the moderates more than anyone in the nation does! People on the far right dont like him either! As far as pot smoking recreationally, I smoked pot for 20 years, 5 times a day. I quit 3 years ago, and it took all these 3 years for me to come back in many ways! It does affect you and sobriety is obviously better, as long as one doesnt "go off" and hurt someone! It could be a chill out pill for some! However, our brains are not matured until 18 or older, so I would highly recomment anyone under 18 not smoking it, for their own good!
So you lefties out there....you can chill out....smoke one....and listen to Bill O's "middle of the road" approach each night on Fox News and understand that is the fairest and truest analysis on TV that you are going to get!
Theres no time like the present
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
I havent read through the thread yet. Just that link in the OP
Basically Bill OReilly is riling up his fans in order to keep ratings, book sales, etc up and the money coming in. I like Bill OReilly, I think he is a very smart man.... but he does what it is necessary for his "brand".
I get the whole need for fiscal conservatism and reigning in the debt. That makes sense and we need to move toward that. Obama and Congress say they want to as well. Whether the two sides actually reign it in remains to be seen. I really dont think Romney had provided any real plan to close the deficit either.
The calls to "restoring traditional american values" and the such is nothing but pulling at the heart strings of old/gullible people and promises a simpler time where every family's bread winner had a 30 year manufacturing job, everyone lived comfortably within their means, entire communities at church every Sunday, national and international news were held at bay, apple pies on every window sill, clotheslines, kids playing outside all day and after dark without worry, ghettos resembling what we saw in the Blues Brothers where they just play Soul Music and dance in the streets...
This vision is impossible. The developed human civilization has progressed at an increasingly compounding rate. The longer we try to hang on to this past, the further we will fall back.
It also bothers me that these neo-cons are so set on "Small Government", but only when it is convenient for their views. We want everything up to the people and states, but for things we dont agree with, we want everyone to live as "traditional americans", which means no gays, women's rights for abortion, pot legislation, etc...
Bill chose those two subjects because they are liberal agendas.
Legalize pot and abortion rights.
He used those to show the loss of traditional values in our country.
I don't know all his beliefs but it is obvious he feels ,
like my father always felt back in the 60 and 70's, drugs are the downfall of this country.
He would include weed in that. He's really not wrong.
I would include legal drugs as well. Take a pill fix this and wreck your body in other ways.
And yes pot will wreck you body in ways they are now finding in studies.
He speaks of the children, he is right again, wouldn't it be better for our society,
our children to move further away from substance abuse?
I don't think pot is extremely harmful but it is not harmless either.
Unlike Bill I am not totally against legalization but I can understand his point of view.
As far as abortion doesn't everyone want to discourage abortion? It is the taking
of innocent life. He didn't go far right and say remove the right he said discourage. To me this means, education.
I don't understand why the left can be so intolerant of others who do not agree totally with
their beliefs. They cry that same fault in the right. I mean here is a middle of the road
commentary, not far right, and all we here is ridiculous and insulting remarks based in bias ...
why because he is on Fox? the enemy camp, can't give the enemy any kudos
for fear of power given.
Change is coming but again that is only good if it brings us together not further apart.
I hear the left saying the right must use common sense, concede,
but for me the left looks just as guilty of not doing what they expect from the other side.
You are exactly right! Bill O is in the middle by taking a stand that says "discourage' and "educate" when it comes to abortion! We know he is pro life, but hey, shouldnt we all discourage abortion? I mean, since when is it a healthy good thing to do? Bill O is middle of the road, but since he is the most successful ever, and on Fox, he is demonized! Truth is, he gets the moderates more than anyone in the nation does! People on the far right dont like him either! As far as pot smoking recreationally, I smoked pot for 20 years, 5 times a day. I quit 3 years ago, and it took all these 3 years for me to come back in many ways! It does affect you and sobriety is obviously better, as long as one doesnt "go off" and hurt someone! It could be a chill out pill for some! However, our brains are not matured until 18 or older, so I would highly recomment anyone under 18 not smoking it, for their own good!
So you lefties out there....you can chill out....smoke one....and listen to Bill O's "middle of the road" approach each night on Fox News and understand that is the fairest and truest analysis on TV that you are going to get!
I wonder how many people have never listened to Bill and just assume about him.
I might do the same for Howard Stern though. We are attracted to people like us, I guess,
birds of a feather. Being a birdwatcher I know different birds do flock together
and seeing that diversity is the best and most beautiful sitings.
Congrats on getting straight and on the understanding that what is right for you
might not be for everyone. Your enthusiasm and positiveness here on the board I enjoy!
1. By definition, the greatest political alignment on Earth.
2. A person who actually thinks for themselves instead of automatically adhering to all beliefs of a bipartisan system.
3. Someone who views political issues objectively and in a open-minded manner.
4. Someone who is actually willing to listen to another person's viewpoint without completely bashing their ideas.
I think this is a great definition, better than anything I was trying to come up with to answer your question. I just don't agree that it describes O'Reilly.
1. By definition, the greatest political alignment on Earth.
2. A person who actually thinks for themselves instead of automatically adhering to all beliefs of a bipartisan system.
3. Someone who views political issues objectively and in a open-minded manner.
4. Someone who is actually willing to listen to another person's viewpoint without completely bashing their ideas.
I think this is a great definition, better than anything I was trying to come up with to answer your question. I just don't agree that it describes O'Reilly.
Fair enough.
For me he is a personality, he has his opinion,
I enjoy how he gets it across and we have some like beliefs.
I think he does fit each criteria except as with many of us our core beliefs
are not negotiable so number 3 is difficult. I feel where open mindedness
comes in is in just listening, the willingness to do so though we know in our hearts
it will not change our opinion.
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So apparently I'm an old white man, too. And probably crotchety. But you'll never hear me whine about how the makeup of our country's population is changing. Because that's just the reality of the 21st century.
Old balls
I love how you intentionally post the most vile, racist, homophobic asshole you can find than then say anyone who supports his BS is "middle of the road."
This isn't "just a conversation about traditional America" at all. And you know it.
And you've got some nerve blubbering about people who "spew hate and shape the debate with race, class, creed or gender" when Bill O'Reilly said that Republicans lost the election and it was the fault of "the blacks and the latinos." Guess he forgot to add "Americans" at the end.
Where's my gun?
Hail, Hail!!!
obama took it from you...don't you remember? right after he got re-elected...i think it was friday
Damn you, Obamaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!
Hail, Hail!!!
LOL Your responses say ALOT about you and liberalism in general! You could post a video of the most evil man saying the most evil thing in the world and I would not have gotten bitter one bit! See....I believe all zones are free speech zones and you have the freedom to post whatever, whoever and whereever you wish, as long as its within the guidelines! You are one of those liberals that would love to shut things down if you dont agree huh? You would shut people up if you could huh? You would use beurocracy and the FCC to shut people that you dont agree with , down! HuH? I know your types! LOL Very revealing here to see it!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
I know. You'd agree with him.
Oh dear.
Are you hearing voices again?
Yes. That we're sick and tired of conservatives pretending to "just want to have a discussion" when it's clear they want to create a big shit storm and then marvel at it.
And hey.. if someone posts something negative... cry about the FCC (like what?) and then say they don't believe in "free speech."
Honestly... this is such textbook troll bait.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
If, it were true, that Bill O'Rielly was a Middle of The Road moderate, no one would watch him because there would not be the WWF type confrontation that his target audience responds to. They would not watch if he were a Middle of the Road guy, because he would have an understanding of an opposing viewpoint, find a common ground to stand upon and work out compormises to reach a solution that satisfies both sides of the debate. Boring. You demand Jerry Springer.... Jersey Shore... he knows who you are.
Bill O'Rielly relies on you. You are the reason why he is on television. You are what makes his show receive high ratings. High Ratings equals greater sponsorships that bring in greater revenues that result in greater pay checks to put in his bank account. You are his market.
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Then, look at the reaction we got... just as we'd expected. But, we knew this going in. We've read your posts... we read your messages... we know where you are coming from and we know where you stand.
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Now... go back and watch your wrestling shows.
Hail, Hail!!!
Game. Set. Match.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
you nailed it perfectly
Peace.
I know how much you wish that was true.
I really do.
But it's not.
You're soaking in it.
I'm going back to the latter. I'll post my two-bits and then take off!
My two-bits: the world is ruled by white men but things are changing and I liken it to mid-east men who don't want to lose control of their women (mostly)—just look at the pathetic depths they stoop to in order to fend off "westernism". For us, secession talk is whiny crazy-talk but at the base of it all, like mid-east men, it's still—all about control. It's The Power dance of Time baby.
As for Bill, forget about whether he's a white buffoon or what else anyone thinks he is, one fact is certain: his power is about control and someone affords his stay. Who? Powerful white men who own the airwaves? Or, the poeple he appeals to? Who knows what the cut is (as that in itself is one big complicated matter) but either way, in a commerce-driven democracy—it's a full circle reality.
What I passionately do feel IS important for US to see is this (not just Bill a-spewing): Social Mobility is lower in America than anytime in the past 30 years and is still declining. We have a plus $16 trillion dollar debt, our GNP continues to hover at the 100% benchmark, which means we don't even generate enough taxes to pay for the interest on this debt much less pay for all-things-government. This also means: even had Romney won—he still would have added to this debt. The U.S. Debt clock has us checking in at about $24 trillion in the next 3 years. This is not based on any Obama-factor but rather—business as usual.
In my opinion, Bill fumbled in his talk about what ails our country; he talked about Social Mobility factors by pointing fingers at the very bottome sectors. But, shit, like anything else—rolls downhill.
Accountability is OUR responsiblity. Dr. Carl Jung said: "We must learn to move individually responsible in a mass-minded way. I agree. The end.
1) First off, unfortunately O'Reilly's whole argument was undercut by his false premise that "traditional America" is or can be determined merely by who is president.
2) His analysis was not unbiased..I believe he made it obvious, even by some of the adjectives he chose, that his personal convictions were driving the analysis.
3) The conclusions drawn from the percentages & other statistics that he presented were not direct. For instance, he drew a direct line from "secular progression" (non religious) movement being the norm at schools directly to teenage pregnancy, without considering--or even entertaining the existence of--any other cause.
4) Upon second view of the video, every time a statistic was flashed & talked about, O'Reily's next comment was an illogical leap to an assumption. Sure, it makes for an entertaining, flowing presentation, but I am also amazed at how this "trickery" can & does fool so many people. I imagine people sitting around shaking their heads saying "yeah!" while failing to even recognize the gigantic holes he is bounding over.
5) Ok I'm being too kind. His video presentation is better suited for the ripping apart in a college-level logic class--spot the "illogical conclusions drawn" assignment-- than being a feature on a nationally-syndicated television "news" program, that's for sure.
Maybe that's what another thread could be--"let's list the illogicalities & fallacies in O'Reilly's presentation".
And then ANOTHER thread could be "I'm pretty sure that people who use illogicalities and fallacies MUST do so because they couldn't prepare a decent-sounding argument without them"
And after all that, THEN, maybe, we could have enough well-founded respect for the argument ITSELF so as to begin addressing the actual issues...without all the "fog".
I wouldn't mind pointing out each ill-drawn conclusion in his presentation...but like I said...let the kids have a go at it...it's ripe for the ripping.
Legalize pot and abortion rights.
He used those to show the loss of traditional values in our country.
I don't know all his beliefs but it is obvious he feels ,
like my father always felt back in the 60 and 70's, drugs are the downfall of this country.
He would include weed in that. He's really not wrong.
I would include legal drugs as well. Take a pill fix this and wreck your body in other ways.
And yes pot will wreck you body in ways they are now finding in studies.
He speaks of the children, he is right again, wouldn't it be better for our society,
our children to move further away from substance abuse?
I don't think pot is extremely harmful but it is not harmless either.
Unlike Bill I am not totally against legalization but I can understand his point of view.
As far as abortion doesn't everyone want to discourage abortion? It is the taking
of innocent life. He didn't go far right and say remove the right he said
discourage. To me this means, education.
I don't understand why the left can be so intolerant of others who do not agree totally with
their beliefs. They cry that same fault in the right. I mean here is a middle of the road
commentary, not far right, and all we hear is ridiculous and insulting remarks based in bias ...
why because he is on Fox? the enemy camp, can't give the enemy any kudos
for fear of power given.
Change is coming but again that is only good if it brings us together not further apart.
I hear the left saying the right must use common sense, concede,
but for me the left looks just as guilty of not doing what they expect from the other side.
Very good analysis by someone coming from the left! WOW I didnt think it was possible....but you did it! Great job! Now lets look at Pandora's below, another great analysis coming from the right! Interesting to see the responses....isnt it? It certainly is possible to have discussions without the labels and hatred!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
You are exactly right! Bill O is in the middle by taking a stand that says "discourage' and "educate" when it comes to abortion! We know he is pro life, but hey, shouldnt we all discourage abortion? I mean, since when is it a healthy good thing to do? Bill O is middle of the road, but since he is the most successful ever, and on Fox, he is demonized! Truth is, he gets the moderates more than anyone in the nation does! People on the far right dont like him either! As far as pot smoking recreationally, I smoked pot for 20 years, 5 times a day. I quit 3 years ago, and it took all these 3 years for me to come back in many ways! It does affect you and sobriety is obviously better, as long as one doesnt "go off" and hurt someone! It could be a chill out pill for some! However, our brains are not matured until 18 or older, so I would highly recomment anyone under 18 not smoking it, for their own good!
So you lefties out there....you can chill out....smoke one....and listen to Bill O's "middle of the road" approach each night on Fox News and understand that is the fairest and truest analysis on TV that you are going to get!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
Basically Bill OReilly is riling up his fans in order to keep ratings, book sales, etc up and the money coming in. I like Bill OReilly, I think he is a very smart man.... but he does what it is necessary for his "brand".
I get the whole need for fiscal conservatism and reigning in the debt. That makes sense and we need to move toward that. Obama and Congress say they want to as well. Whether the two sides actually reign it in remains to be seen. I really dont think Romney had provided any real plan to close the deficit either.
The calls to "restoring traditional american values" and the such is nothing but pulling at the heart strings of old/gullible people and promises a simpler time where every family's bread winner had a 30 year manufacturing job, everyone lived comfortably within their means, entire communities at church every Sunday, national and international news were held at bay, apple pies on every window sill, clotheslines, kids playing outside all day and after dark without worry, ghettos resembling what we saw in the Blues Brothers where they just play Soul Music and dance in the streets...
This vision is impossible. The developed human civilization has progressed at an increasingly compounding rate. The longer we try to hang on to this past, the further we will fall back.
It also bothers me that these neo-cons are so set on "Small Government", but only when it is convenient for their views. We want everything up to the people and states, but for things we dont agree with, we want everyone to live as "traditional americans", which means no gays, women's rights for abortion, pot legislation, etc...
I might do the same for Howard Stern though. We are attracted to people like us, I guess,
birds of a feather. Being a birdwatcher I know different birds do flock together
and seeing that diversity is the best and most beautiful sitings.
Congrats on getting straight and on the understanding that what is right for you
might not be for everyone. Your enthusiasm and positiveness here on the board I enjoy!
Its nice to say yes! and let no go.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Personally I like this definition and I believe it does describe Bill.
1. By definition, the greatest political alignment on Earth.
2. A person who actually thinks for themselves instead of automatically adhering to all beliefs of a bipartisan system.
3. Someone who views political issues objectively and in a open-minded manner.
4. Someone who is actually willing to listen to another person's viewpoint without completely bashing their ideas.
I think this is a great definition, better than anything I was trying to come up with to answer your question. I just don't agree that it describes O'Reilly.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
For me he is a personality, he has his opinion,
I enjoy how he gets it across and we have some like beliefs.
I think he does fit each criteria except as with many of us our core beliefs
are not negotiable so number 3 is difficult. I feel where open mindedness
comes in is in just listening, the willingness to do so though we know in our hearts
it will not change our opinion.