Your honest light-hearted analysis here!
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Your true honest analysis here without getting angry please
Keep it pithy, honest and empathetic!
Your true honest analysis here without getting angry please
Keep it pithy, honest and empathetic!
Theres no time like the present
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
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My analysis is that he is a Neo-Conservative
Same old shit from Bill O'Reilly
I think this is one of the more valuable posts on This MT. You are asking us to question the direction we are headed no?
I don't agree with O'Rielly (well, about 1/2 the time) but when he says we need ONE person to move us forward - that's just makes my eyes roll up and flip inside out. How are we to move beyond thinking ONE person is gonna save us if our major news anchors keep pounding that in us dammit!!!!
I can't help myself. I come here thinking I will engage with everyone and learn new things (the newest tidbit being the latest on this country's mounting secession). NO - we are not the only ones concerned. YES, that is why I can't help myself. MOST EVERY THREAD I OPEN HERE KEEPS DRAWING ME BACK TO ALL THE SAME THREADS I KEEP WEAVING TOGETHER ON DP.
So, I'm tired. I just finished posting my Tuesday night contribution and had thought to unwind before turning in, (why I would think I'd find that on here is worth some thought) but it doesn't seem to matter which thread I open, innocent sounding ones, "your honest light-hearted.... or 'and the same week Lincoln opens' or 'some people'....
Anyway, I am as passionate about where we are headed as all of you here but I'm going to bed. If you want my analysis, you'll have to go to http://www.dancingpartners.info and look up tonight's post - Communal As.
nite.
No, Bill, being an old white asshole just makes you old, white and an asshole. And that's all.
Just a note for next time...
those "papers please" laws in Arizona... they turned Latinos off of voting for a party that said "I can tell by looking at them if they belong in Mexico."
those "rape isn't such a big deal and if she gets pregnant, that slut wanted it" guys... they didn't help you with women. Nor did the Senator who said that having a baby from rape was the same as being a single mother. That turned off a lot of single parents.
those four years insisting that a black man couldn't possibly be American and... you expected the black community to vote for you?
And finally... I am LOVING that the gay vote... 80% Democratic... accounted for 5% of the electorate. And that 4% alone is what put him over the top. Yes... if you didn't spend all that time attacking the gay community... maybe they wouldn't have handed you your sorry ass at the polls.
But the end of the story is that "Traditional America" is gone because what he MEANS is "back in the 50s when the blacks and the latinos and the gays didn't vote and the wives voted how their husbands told them to."
And yes... we voted that away.
Goodnight!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
The voting Is Done
Your Party Lost
My Party Won.
O Let Us Be Friends
Let's Do This With Class
And I'll Hug Your Elephant
If You'll Kiss My Ass.
For some reason a bunch of Pearl Jam fans here on AMT feel an affinity with these crotchety white assholes. And If I keep scratching my head as to why, I reckon I'll soon be bald.
I can understand your anger! but the racist remarks really piss me off!
I really like O'Reilly so I am biased. I have no time to hear him (watch the video) at the moment
so I'll be back to listen. For me voices are the key to a person's heart.
One can not hide from this exposure.
He and I have connected before so I must listen to his spirit first, his spirit in his words.
It's like listening between the lines.
I wonder when I come back will it all be raging and ripping?
There is no personal responsibility anymore? Especially from the young. Parents were indoctrinated in school just like there children are....just like I was......accepting God into my life gave me the tools to see truth.....
what LIBERALISM and the Progressive agenda have done is take away "consequences" for just about anything....We do not make "progress" by pretending no one is behaving inappropriate. Progress comes when we see the error of our ways and do everything in our power to change for the better. Soon some will be begging for a free America but it will be to late because you are voting for free condoms and abortions and not the real issue.....
Parts are not my words but I feel it is important to pass it on...
This is de-railing the thread a bit, but I HATE the right's characterization that the left is responsible for things like "taking away consequences" and bad parenting. I guess it's easy to point at the other guy and say it's his fault, instead of admitting that people from both sides share blame (ya know, the whole personal responsibility thing that the right always harps on).
We see "conservatives" every day who dodge consequences of their actions (shady corporations, tax cheats, wall street, etc.). I, as a parent, see examples of poor parenting from people everyday from people who are right and left, and I by no means am perfect in that category. But there are plenty of flag waiving, bible thumping parents who either ignore their kids, beat them, outright spoil them, or just pass them off to nannies. There are plenty of liberal parents who do the same things.
So, let's not take the tried and true political approach of "making you afraid of something, and telling you who to blame for it", instead of admitting both sides contribute to the problem.
Personal responsibility my ass.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
What facts say America is in decline?
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no different to alcohol really..
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We can not put a red or blue on that in my opinion.
Its an everybody thing.
Irresponsibility is something we don't see in the mirror
but certainly see in others clearly and quickly.
As far as Bill he is much more middle of the road than some think here.
He is respectful to opposing opinions and makes great points that many I agree with
when I'm lucky enough to catch the show, not often.
This piece I just listened to about traditional America is pretty spot on.
I agree with discouraging abortion and the statistics are saddening and revealing.
A breakdown in family.
As far as marijuana, he is correct it will be counterproductive and sends the wrong message,
more will use. Is this a really bad thing? no I don't think so.
I love his manner, his voice, and some of his views. We don't always agree
but I really enjoy him! Someday I would like to 'stalk' him
and ask him to sign his book.
Its good to love others even if you don't always agree.
Change can be a good thing but only if it brings us to a place of being better to each other
not worse.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Hail, Hail!!!
No. You do not get to "there there, dear" me and say you understand why I'm "angry."
You should be angry, too. I'm not hispanic but I WAS horrified by the "papers please" laws that would make harassing Latino American citizens in Arizona legal. We all know that the point of that law was to make people with brown skin afraid to go out in public so the old white people in Phoenix didn't have to see them.
AND....
No. You don't get to cry racism.
Racism is hatred of a race. And when I single out "old, white, crotchety men," that pretty much points out that it isn't the entire white "race" that I'm pointing to. I'm white myself and I'm just fine with sharing the country with people who aren't. In fact.. I like it. If everybody looked the same, we'd get tired of looking at each other.
I'm pointing out an unavoidable fact.
Back in the 1950s, white men ruled the country. They were in virtually every leadership position from politics, commerce, culture and entertainment. There were no black senators, no Asian news anchors, no Latino men hosting TV variety shows and don't even get me started on how all gay characters in movies were either murders murder victims or limp-wristed caricatures meant only for comedy relief.
There were no "white community leaders" murdered in the 60s but there WERE countless men like Malcolm X, Dr. Matin Luther King, Nedgar Evars and even "get out the vote" volunteers who were killed.
And back then, men worked, women stayed home and cooked and cleaned and voted how their husbands told them. That is the "Traditional America" that people like Bill O'Reilly, Mike Huckabee and James Dobson want to return to and that's the "Traditional America" that Mitt Romney clearly revealed he thinks still rules. His comments about how working women sometimes need to leave early to go home and "cook dinner" showed that he still finds the career woman quaint.
You can try to ignore my very valid argument and pat me on the head saying "I understand why you would be angry" and then call me a racist. But I'm not going to let you get away with it.
Pointing out that America is now a diverse population with many different races and kinds of families isn't "racist." It's just pointing out the truth. Pointing to how the former holders of power are calling our very existence an "attack on traditional America"isn't "racist."
As I've said MANY times here and in other places... Sorry if my bringing up my sexual orientation annoys you. Give me full rights under the law and I promise I'll never mention it again. If that to you is "racist," you're just going to have to adapt to a new world where minorities vote against parties that single them out and attack them with laws and rhetoric like that of Bill O'Reilly.
Prince you nailed it perfectly
how many times do people on here have to clairfy.. being the majoirty and very lucky to be the majoirty by definition can't cry racism... old white men coontrol the world.. no one opporesses old white men or white men generally.
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Seriously... people in power in America need to quit complaining about not having a White History Month or a White Entertainment Channel.
If they DID have these things... it would mean that they were in the minority and History classes would dominated from a perspective other than their own and Television would have 100 channels of Tyler Perry Shows and they would have one channel of their own.
...
Be careful what you wish for... it may just come true.
Hail, Hail!!!
That's all I hear is prejudice against old white men and the rich folk.
They are not popular
I can't speak for aerial, but I'm not crying racism. That plays much too nicely into your antagonistic "wounded butterfly" (or whatever you said) nonsense from another thread. However, my personal lack of victimhood or oppression doesn't change the inherent racism in your multiple posts like this since the election. Take any of them (you've got plenty to choose from) and replace any those "old white man" concepts and replace white with "black". See how it sounds to you.
All that said, there's no small irony in how you've defined racism in the midst of an attempt to justify your inimical vitriol against old white men, "crotchety" or otherwise.
No argument there. I'd say we've come a long way. The problem with the way you express this is that it's only in your extreme, liberal head that conservatives actually want the world to be that way. Some may -- there are crazies all over -- but I can almost guarantee you no one on this board does, even those you disagree with regularly and most vehemently. When most conservatives talk about "taking the country back", we aren't picturing black men in chains for fuck's sake (and the fact that you might even believe something along those lines is worthy of some thought); we're talking about personal accountability, earning your keep, all that good stuff.
Now then, you believe liberal policies are the path (back, in my opinion) to those things, conservatives would disagree. That's the critical point of contention which I'm not even going to discuss. I'm not posting here to get you to agree with the conservative path, rather to be honest in your assertions about the end goals.
Don't kid yourself; that's barely the tip of the iceberg of what you were saying. And in any case is not what aerial (I bet) is reacting to.
"I'm concerned about what the prevalence of black men in prison says about our judicial system."
versus
"Why are there so many negroes in prison!"
Same topic, but not even close to the same meaning. How you say shit matters.
Sigh. That's all I can muster for this nonsense. Wait, who is "he" here? I've lost track. Eh, It doesn't matter, in your head, it's any old white man. Which is why your point of view is racist. And probably ageist (?). But yeah mostly the former.
Okay... I read the transcript and this is basically what he says...
Traditional America is gone because:
A. There are too many poor people... specifically single mothers with kids born out of wedlock.
B. Pot.
...
Well to address the former cause of Traditional America going away... how about investing in EDUCATION that shows people how poverty increases with the number of uneducated young mothers out there on their own.
Traditional America would have forced/shotgun marriages where the Man of the House could beat the crap out of the wife for having those stupid kids and ruining his life. Divorce is not a part of Traditional America... is it? So, doesn't that mean both are trapped in a marriage that was basically a mistake? Is that the sanctity of Marriage I'm always hearing about? Because if it is, it sounds like it has some real deep inherent flaws.
Also, Traditional America had abortions being done with bent wire coat hangars in back alleys. Don't think you want to bring that back... kind of nasty.
As for pot... how does it differ from alcohol and Prohibition? People aren't going to be forced to smoke pot... just as people today are not forced to drink booze. It's just that, we won't have a bunch of people in jail for buying, smoking or selling pot. Let Phillip-Morris sell pot and create a whole industry around pot/hemp.
Hail, Hail!!!
As far as traditional America....i think its gone forever.....not that its a bad thing....but its gone!
I believe that America is good and provides hope to many around the world. I believe we lift up others who need it! I believe we need to preserve our economy and wealth generating machine for the good of all of humanity! We actually create wealth from nothing. We create it, meaning that if someone gets rich, someone else doesnt get poor from it! In a society that we envision....everyone has more! We wish for everyone to have more! We need to remember to thank the successful, the innovative and the risk takers! For some reason I think we forget to do that!
So today let us thank those who create jobs, wealth and hope! We sometimes forget that everything we see, utilize and consume....comes from the wealth that is created from our innovators, risk-takers, hard workers, and our successful! Thanks!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
Question: How is anything that you said... gone? And if something is gone... please, tell me what is gone.
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Also, this middle of the road your are speaking of... it's the middle of the right lane only you are talking about, right? Otherwise, you have no clue what Left and Right is... Bill O'Rielly... middle of the road? Really? You have never read any of his books, watched any of his shows or listened to any of his radio broadcasts, have you?
Hail, Hail!!!
Well when you can point to a huge number of well-funded black men with a TV network that employs a very disproportionate number of old black men, sitting around and bemoaning how the election was lost because "all those lazy minorities want to sit around and get stuff given to them," I'll happily take a look at it.
Ignoring the historical point of my post is the only way you can even answer anything... it's often the way white people defend the racism that's ingrained in our history and culture. They ask you to picture everything backwards and then ask if you'd give the black people a pass had they said the same thing.
Um... you realize that "crotchety white men" isn't a race unto itself, right?
Then tell us... what did he mean by "Traditional America?"
WOW... ok... that's pretty rich. I said that the old white men wanted to go back to the 1950s. And you somehow interpret that as slavery. You know that the Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863, right?
Yes it is. Now picture Maya Angelou and Bill O'Reilly each saying one of those things. Tell me which one Maya sais and which one came from Bill.
It's so cute that you think anyone buys your big bag of bullshit. I was quite careful to point out that not all white people think like that... And my father is an old white man... so is the Vice President and so is Bill Clinton and I'm quite sure none of those guys think that.
But it was fun watching you trying to confuse issues and take things to the absurd levels you did just to try to derail what I said.
Nice try, though, I'll give you that.
Are you seriously expecting a common sense answer? If so I think you have come to the wrong place. Bill O'Rielly has no place in any kind of rational conversation, who cares what he has to say anymore. We need to let this thread die a quick death.