OK... but the most important thing... WHERE can I sign the petitions?
I mean... I'll sign them all. Fuck, if Texas over to Georgia wants to leave? I'll bring my chain saw and we can cut it off and let it float away.
We get to keep Key West.
Well hang on, let me jump over the border before we go doing that. I don't want to be adrift in the ocean on Texas island with Jerry Jones, Leatherface and Dubya.
Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget
Pretty much all states do. It's generally in their constitutions.
Everyone likes to talk about seceding or moving away when their side loses. I guess it gives people something to talk about. The issue was settled long ago by Messrs. Jackson & Lincoln.
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Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget
Pretty much all states do. It's generally in their constitutions.
Everyone likes to talk about seceding or moving away when their side loses. I guess it gives people something to talk about. The issue was settled long ago by Messrs. Jackson & Lincoln.
Yes I heard it started after the Democrats lost ... yes?
It seems to be getting worse though and that's a lot of states.
I haven't done research though to see how it compares to past elections.
I think this movement it is based pretty much in money...
Obama is out of control spending. But he will probably allow the cliff and get his defense cuts
and tax hikes without even trying. This will help the deficit and he'll leave office looking good.
Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget
Pretty much all states do. It's generally in their constitutions.
Everyone likes to talk about seceding or moving away when their side loses. I guess it gives people something to talk about. The issue was settled long ago by Messrs. Jackson & Lincoln.
Yes I heard it started after the Democrats lost ... yes?
It seems to be getting worse though and that's a lot of states.
I haven't done research though to see how it compares to past elections.
I think this movement it is based pretty much in money...
Obama is out of control spending. But he will probably allow the cliff and get his defense cuts
and tax hikes without even trying. This will help the deficit and he'll leave office looking good.
I think Democrats talked of moving to Canada after 2004, with their universal health care and more liberal attitudes. Don't remember any secession talk.
Also Democrats were sick of their tax dollars going to the Iraq War and tax cuts for millionaires, both primary drivers of our current deficit.
I think they should just go off the cliff and then take it from there. We'll survive. We don't need to spend more on military than the rest of the world combined. The R's wouldn't have to break their no tax increase pledge after 1/1/13.
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Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget
Pretty much all states do. It's generally in their constitutions.
Everyone likes to talk about seceding or moving away when their side loses. I guess it gives people something to talk about. The issue was settled long ago by Messrs. Jackson & Lincoln.
Yes I heard it started after the Democrats lost ... yes?
It seems to be getting worse though and that's a lot of states.
I haven't done research though to see how it compares to past elections.
I think this movement it is based pretty much in money...
Obama is out of control spending. But he will probably allow the cliff and get his defense cuts
and tax hikes without even trying. This will help the deficit and he'll leave office looking good.
It's funny that a lot of the red states that have been brought up in this secession crap are the ones who are the most dependent on federal money.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget
Pretty much all states do. It's generally in their constitutions.
The Texas "balanced budget" is an illusion. Yes, it's required, so the legislature passes one but it's mostly smoke and mirrors. They overestimate the amount of tax revenue so that it looks like it will cover all expenses. When the legislature convenes the next time, there's always a deficit. They've been doing it this way ever since the balanced budget amendment was passed.
Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget
Pretty much all states do. It's generally in their constitutions.
The Texas "balanced budget" is an illusion. Yes, it's required, so the legislature passes one but it's mostly smoke and mirrors. They overestimate the amount of tax revenue so that it looks like it will cover all expenses. When the legislature convenes the next time, there's always a deficit. They've been doing it this way ever since the balanced budget amendment was passed.
Yeah, it's mostly BS. For one thing they cut a lot of education money to plug holes. Plus they used loopholes to balance it. Like delaying paying billions in bills and putting it into the next years budget, so we still owe it, and having state accountants inflate property values,
"See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
Pretty much all states do. It's generally in their constitutions.
Everyone likes to talk about seceding or moving away when their side loses. I guess it gives people something to talk about. The issue was settled long ago by Messrs. Jackson & Lincoln.
Yes I heard it started after the Democrats lost ... yes?
It seems to be getting worse though and that's a lot of states.
I haven't done research though to see how it compares to past elections.
I think this movement it is based pretty much in money...
Obama is out of control spending. But he will probably allow the cliff and get his defense cuts
and tax hikes without even trying. This will help the deficit and he'll leave office looking good.
It's funny that a lot of the red states that have been brought up in this secession crap are the ones who are the most dependent on federal money.
Yes unfortunately we have many on Obamas aid here and a large population of illegal
immigrants that have flooded our social programs.
I think there are some blue states involved in these petitions yes?
Pretty much all states do. It's generally in their constitutions.
The Texas "balanced budget" is an illusion. Yes, it's required, so the legislature passes one but it's mostly smoke and mirrors. They overestimate the amount of tax revenue so that it looks like it will cover all expenses. When the legislature convenes the next time, there's always a deficit. They've been doing it this way ever since the balanced budget amendment was passed.
Yeah, it's mostly BS. For one thing they cut a lot of education money to plug holes. Plus they used loopholes to balance it. Like delaying paying billions in bills and putting it into the next years budget, so we still owe it, and having state accountants inflate property values,
Yes I was reading about the other states too, so called balanced budgets ...
Pretty much all states do. It's generally in their constitutions.
Everyone likes to talk about seceding or moving away when their side loses. I guess it gives people something to talk about. The issue was settled long ago by Messrs. Jackson & Lincoln.
Yes I heard it started after the Democrats lost ... yes?
It seems to be getting worse though and that's a lot of states.
I haven't done research though to see how it compares to past elections.
I think this movement it is based pretty much in money...
Obama is out of control spending. But he will probably allow the cliff and get his defense cuts
and tax hikes without even trying. This will help the deficit and he'll leave office looking good.
I think Democrats talked of moving to Canada after 2004, with their universal health care and more liberal attitudes. Don't remember any secession talk.
Also Democrats were sick of their tax dollars going to the Iraq War and tax cuts for millionaires, both primary drivers of our current deficit.
I think they should just go off the cliff and then take it from there. We'll survive. We don't need to spend more on military than the rest of the world combined. The R's wouldn't have to break their no tax increase pledge after 1/1/13.
I agree I have been reading about this. It will be a shared hit with middle class being effected
by a couple thousand dollars annually.
One main reason I could not vote Rep is the military budget.
I want fair cuts across the board which hopefully will happen with this.
Social cuts and military cuts.
The military machine though will take a hit and many folks will lose their jobs,
thousands which means up goes unemployment again.
No win win I'm afraid.
Yes I heard it started after the Democrats lost ... yes?
It seems to be getting worse though and that's a lot of states.
I haven't done research though to see how it compares to past elections.
I think this movement it is based pretty much in money...
Obama is out of control spending. But he will probably allow the cliff and get his defense cuts
and tax hikes without even trying. This will help the deficit and he'll leave office looking good.
It's funny that a lot of the red states that have been brought up in this secession crap are the ones who are the most dependent on federal money.
Yes unfortunately we have many on Obamas aid here and a large population of illegal
immigrants that have flooded our social programs.
I think there are some blue states involved in these petitions yes?
Yes, Obama came up with welfare, medicaid, medicare, social security and foodstamps.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
it is funny to me that people who are on government assistance are in favor of leaving the country that is giving them benefits...
as if in some fantasy world government aid equals oppression and is keeping folks from pulling themselves up by the bootstraps and finding work or something and that starting your own country magically fixes all of that.. i do not get peoples' twisted logic sometimes...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Yes, Obama came up with welfare, medicaid, medicare, social security and foodstamps.
yep, because some would say that that socialist kenyan marxist muslim is squarely to blame for all of the social safety nets!!!
anyone hear that obama invented social security before he was born??? pretty crafty politician he is...
I think it's because under his administration those receiving aid have grown so.
And solicited too :?
Gotta love the little government lines of credit people are carry in their pockets these days.
Zip boing! zip as in credit cards ...
it is everywhere here ... everywhere and no they do not want to leave the country or vote Republican
they are not stupid.
Yes, Obama came up with welfare, medicaid, medicare, social security and foodstamps.
yep, because some would say that that socialist kenyan marxist muslim is squarely to blame for all of the social safety nets!!!
anyone hear that obama invented social security before he was born??? pretty crafty politician he is...
I think it's because under his administration those receiving aid have grown so.
And solicited too :?
Gotta love the little government lines of credit people are carry in their pockets these days.
Zip boing! zip as in credit cards ...
it is everywhere here ... everywhere and no they do not want to leave the country or vote Republican
they are not stupid.
Sorry, but I gotta call bullshit there.
Based on percentage of state;s populations, there are generally more people in red states on public assistance than blue states.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
yep, because some would say that that socialist kenyan marxist muslim is squarely to blame for all of the social safety nets!!!
anyone hear that obama invented social security before he was born??? pretty crafty politician he is...
I think it's because under his administration those receiving aid have grown so.
And solicited too :?
Gotta love the little government lines of credit people are carry in their pockets these days.
Zip boing! zip as in credit cards ...
it is everywhere here ... everywhere and no they do not want to leave the country or vote Republican
they are not stupid.
Sorry, but I gotta call bullshit there.
Based on percentage of state;s populations, there are generally more people in red states on public assistance than blue states.
Yes I answered you back a page or so about this red state I live in.
Are we really still talking red and blue?
Brain - enjoyed that one! Secession is crazy talk which has come up before. Still, there is deep division going on and that is no laughing matter. I brought this up in an earlier post on DP because a friend had just returned from AK where this option was being seriously discussed within that capitol. So, how many state capitols are fomenting this? Yahoo or media outlets might be easy to brush aside, but when large disenfranchised masses get coupled with a governing branch, well...the rest as they say, is all written in the history books. nite.
Let's face it, we're too lazy these days to fight another Civil War. If the Confederacy tries to draft me, they're going to have to understand that I'm only available on weeknights and Sundays... except during football season. And the battles need to end early so I can get home for Conan.
"See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
This is nuts. The only state that could even realistically sustain itself would be Texas, so I don't know what the hell the rest of those places plan on doing without government assistance.
This is nuts. The only state that could even realistically sustain itself would be Texas, so I don't know what the hell the rest of those places plan on doing without government assistance.
and I still think Texas would be strugglig without the federal government.. they want small government but they will come crying to the BIG government when they need too :roll: give me a break this is ridiculous.. the fact that this an option for any state is a fuck up. These tea party assholes need to leave somewhere else but wait all other westernized countries are a lot more socialist then America (Canada, Australia).... so stupid.
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This is nuts. The only state that could even realistically sustain itself would be Texas, so I don't know what the hell the rest of those places plan on doing without government assistance.
I'm not sure we could, unless we get rid of schools and a lot of other things. We rely on Washington for a whole lot, our governor CONSTANTLY has his hand out to them, while at the same time talking shit and saying we don't need them. If we had an actual Governor (or President, King, Grand Douchebag, whatever it would be if we seceded) that actually knew what he/she was doing and not so crooked, we might be able to.
All it would take is one good drought (like we've had) and we'd probably all be starving and dehydrated.
"See a broad to get dat booty yak 'em, leg 'er down, a smack 'em yak 'em!"
This is nuts. The only state that could even realistically sustain itself would be Texas, so I don't know what the hell the rest of those places plan on doing without government assistance.
I'm not sure we could, unless we get rid of schools and a lot of other things. We rely on Washington for a whole lot, our governor CONSTANTLY has his hand out to them, while at the same time talking shit and saying we don't need them. If we had an actual Governor (or President, King, Grand Douchebag, whatever it would be if we seceded) that actually knew what he/she was doing and not so crooked, we might be able to.
All it would take is one good drought (like we've had) and we'd probably all be starving and dehydrated.
What is funny is that these people don't understand that their taxes would probably be higher if the seceded. All of a sudden Texas would have to pay for education, highways, defense, social programs, disaster relief, etc etc etc...
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
The disaster relief the biggest that comes to mind for me.
But do we think that what they really want is to have our President address
them. If they get enough states confronting him, by law he must yes?
The President must take into consideration the dissatisfaction of the American people.
He must listen.
Half of Americans have been 'dissatisfied' throughout history. Now we have internet and internet petitions.
I wouldnt expect a moving response to this "movement" to succeed. The truth is, if you put it up to a vote in any one of these states, it would probably get less than 10% of the vote (and 10% is very generous IMO).
Bush dealt with dissention following his election by saying he was the "Decider". Now I dont expect Obama to be as much of a dick about it, but generally the same response.
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Pretty much all states do. It's generally in their constitutions.
Everyone likes to talk about seceding or moving away when their side loses. I guess it gives people something to talk about. The issue was settled long ago by Messrs. Jackson & Lincoln.
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It seems to be getting worse though and that's a lot of states.
I haven't done research though to see how it compares to past elections.
I think this movement it is based pretty much in money...
Obama is out of control spending. But he will probably allow the cliff and get his defense cuts
and tax hikes without even trying. This will help the deficit and he'll leave office looking good.
I think Democrats talked of moving to Canada after 2004, with their universal health care and more liberal attitudes. Don't remember any secession talk.
Also Democrats were sick of their tax dollars going to the Iraq War and tax cuts for millionaires, both primary drivers of our current deficit.
I think they should just go off the cliff and then take it from there. We'll survive. We don't need to spend more on military than the rest of the world combined. The R's wouldn't have to break their no tax increase pledge after 1/1/13.
WF Center 4/28/16; WF Center 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; WF Center 9/7/24; WF Center 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24
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anyone!? ... haha ... or are you partisan folks so hell bent on walking into walls ... if so, please continue ...
It isnt a bigger "movement" now than ever, its just everyone has a computer and interconnected.
It's funny that a lot of the red states that have been brought up in this secession crap are the ones who are the most dependent on federal money.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Yeah, it's mostly BS. For one thing they cut a lot of education money to plug holes. Plus they used loopholes to balance it. Like delaying paying billions in bills and putting it into the next years budget, so we still owe it, and having state accountants inflate property values,
immigrants that have flooded our social programs.
I think there are some blue states involved in these petitions yes?
by a couple thousand dollars annually.
One main reason I could not vote Rep is the military budget.
I want fair cuts across the board which hopefully will happen with this.
Social cuts and military cuts.
The military machine though will take a hit and many folks will lose their jobs,
thousands which means up goes unemployment again.
No win win I'm afraid.
Yes, Obama came up with welfare, medicaid, medicare, social security and foodstamps.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
anyone hear that obama invented social security before he was born??? pretty crafty politician he is...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
as if in some fantasy world government aid equals oppression and is keeping folks from pulling themselves up by the bootstraps and finding work or something and that starting your own country magically fixes all of that.. i do not get peoples' twisted logic sometimes...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
And solicited too :?
Gotta love the little government lines of credit people are carry in their pockets these days.
Zip boing!
it is everywhere here ... everywhere and no they do not want to leave the country or vote Republican
they are not stupid.
Sorry, but I gotta call bullshit there.
Based on percentage of state;s populations, there are generally more people in red states on public assistance than blue states.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Are we really still talking red and blue?
but yes like I said everywhere here
Lets talk blackredyellow instead
kidding aside we are talking policy yes?
and I still think Texas would be strugglig without the federal government.. they want small government but they will come crying to the BIG government when they need too :roll: give me a break this is ridiculous.. the fact that this an option for any state is a fuck up. These tea party assholes need to leave somewhere else but wait all other westernized countries are a lot more socialist then America (Canada, Australia).... so stupid.
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I love you forever and forever
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I'm not sure we could, unless we get rid of schools and a lot of other things. We rely on Washington for a whole lot, our governor CONSTANTLY has his hand out to them, while at the same time talking shit and saying we don't need them. If we had an actual Governor (or President, King, Grand Douchebag, whatever it would be if we seceded) that actually knew what he/she was doing and not so crooked, we might be able to.
All it would take is one good drought (like we've had) and we'd probably all be starving and dehydrated.
What is funny is that these people don't understand that their taxes would probably be higher if the seceded. All of a sudden Texas would have to pay for education, highways, defense, social programs, disaster relief, etc etc etc...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
But do we think that what they really want is to have our President address
them. If they get enough states confronting him, by law he must yes?
The President must take into consideration the dissatisfaction of the American people.
He must listen.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I wouldnt expect a moving response to this "movement" to succeed. The truth is, if you put it up to a vote in any one of these states, it would probably get less than 10% of the vote (and 10% is very generous IMO).
Bush dealt with dissention following his election by saying he was the "Decider". Now I dont expect Obama to be as much of a dick about it, but generally the same response.
might be another reason to talk to our President
Lincoln DID come out.