Does anyone else read some of these post by far-left and far-right posters and wonder if they are actually trolls from the other side trying to make their opponents look bad? I scratch my head sometimes.
Does anyone else read some of these post by far-left and far-right posters and wonder if they are actually trolls from the other side trying to make their opponents look bad? I scratch my head sometimes.
YES! I have seen people go to Tea Parties and act out something terrible to a camera so they can use it against the Tea Party! Same concept!
Theres no time like the present
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
Does anyone else read some of these post by far-left and far-right posters and wonder if they are actually trolls from the other side trying to make their opponents look bad? I scratch my head sometimes.
YES! I have seen people go to Tea Parties and act out something terrible to a camera so they can use it against the Tea Party! Same concept!
The most subversive thing a person can do at a tea party is cross your legs with a little ankle showing, place your napkin on your lap, speak in a dainty British accident and tell the leader of the pack, "When I say I'm in love you best believe I'm in love, l-u-v". And dress oh so prettily.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
Without fanfare, President Obama has reauthorized a law that allows the U.S. government to conduct surveillance on overseas activities of suspected spies and terrorists.
The Senate majority rejected arguments from an unusual combination of Democratic liberals and ideological Republican conservatives, who sought to amend the bill to require the government to reveal statistics showing whether any Americans were swept up in the foreign intercepts. The attempt lost, with 52 votes against and 43 in favor.
The point that sticks out like the proverbial 800-pound gorilla in the room is that a majority of United States senators, who took an oath to support, defend and uphold the Constitution, did not care to know if any Americans "were swept up in the foreign intercepts."
Without fanfare, President Obama has reauthorized a law that allows the U.S. government to conduct surveillance on overseas activities of suspected spies and terrorists.
The Senate majority rejected arguments from an unusual combination of Democratic liberals and ideological Republican conservatives, who sought to amend the bill to require the government to reveal statistics showing whether any Americans were swept up in the foreign intercepts. The attempt lost, with 52 votes against and 43 in favor.
The point that sticks out like the proverbial 800-pound gorilla in the room is that a majority of United States senators, who took an oath to support, defend and uphold the Constitution, did not care to know if any Americans "were swept up in the foreign intercepts."
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You know... that is a very, very slippery slope. On the one hand, you have to acknowledge that there do exist some very dangerous people out there that are trying to figure out to do some pretty heinous acts. These people have been driven deeper and deeper underground, but, they still DO exist... and they are still out there. Finding them is a lot tougher now... especially since we have captured some and they now know our tactics.
On the other hand is our founding principles of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness that protects ALL Americans... unfortunately, even those whom have not committed any crimes... yet... but harbor the intent to commit crimes.
How do we protect our citizens... and not compromise our principles?
...
Not a simple solution.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Without fanfare, President Obama has reauthorized a law that allows the U.S. government to conduct surveillance on overseas activities of suspected spies and terrorists.
The Senate majority rejected arguments from an unusual combination of Democratic liberals and ideological Republican conservatives, who sought to amend the bill to require the government to reveal statistics showing whether any Americans were swept up in the foreign intercepts. The attempt lost, with 52 votes against and 43 in favor.
The point that sticks out like the proverbial 800-pound gorilla in the room is that a majority of United States senators, who took an oath to support, defend and uphold the Constitution, did not care to know if any Americans "were swept up in the foreign intercepts."
Personally, I am glad to know that we are keeping an eye on suspected terrorists and their associates. And you if are an American citizen running in these circles, the fact that you were spied on will cause me to lose not one bit of sleep.
Without fanfare, President Obama has reauthorized a law that allows the U.S. government to conduct surveillance on overseas activities of suspected spies and terrorists.
The Senate majority rejected arguments from an unusual combination of Democratic liberals and ideological Republican conservatives, who sought to amend the bill to require the government to reveal statistics showing whether any Americans were swept up in the foreign intercepts. The attempt lost, with 52 votes against and 43 in favor.
The point that sticks out like the proverbial 800-pound gorilla in the room is that a majority of United States senators, who took an oath to support, defend and uphold the Constitution, did not care to know if any Americans "were swept up in the foreign intercepts."
Personally, I am glad to know that we are keeping an eye on suspected terrorists and their associates. And you if are an American citizen running in these circles, the fact that you were spied on will cause me to lose not one bit of sleep.
lets ignore something call the constitution just for a fews years here...my question is: how does "one" actually "spy" on communications, but only "spy" on suspected "terrorists" and their associates? in order to be effective doesnt "one" have to surveil all "communications" not just suspected "terrorists" and their associates? how is this actually done? anyone could be a terrorist
when flying tsa doesnt just scatter "terrorists" and their associates with cancerous rays for a sneak peek at whats underneath our clothing, they scatter us all, and feel us up if we opt out.
whats funny to me is that the argument "well if your not doing anything wrong what do you have to worry about" only applies to citizens but not the government itself.
Without fanfare, President Obama has reauthorized a law that allows the U.S. government to conduct surveillance on overseas activities of suspected spies and terrorists.
The Senate majority rejected arguments from an unusual combination of Democratic liberals and ideological Republican conservatives, who sought to amend the bill to require the government to reveal statistics showing whether any Americans were swept up in the foreign intercepts. The attempt lost, with 52 votes against and 43 in favor.
The point that sticks out like the proverbial 800-pound gorilla in the room is that a majority of United States senators, who took an oath to support, defend and uphold the Constitution, did not care to know if any Americans "were swept up in the foreign intercepts."
Personally, I am glad to know that we are keeping an eye on suspected terrorists and their associates. And you if are an American citizen running in these circles, the fact that you were spied on will cause me to lose not one bit of sleep.
lets ignore something call the constitution just for a fews years here...my question is: how does "one" actually "spy" on communications, but only "spy" on suspected "terrorists" and their associates? in order to be effective doesnt "one" have to surveil all "communications" not just suspected "terrorists" and their associates? how is this actually done? anyone could be a terrorist
when flying tsa doesnt just scatter "terrorists" and their associates with cancerous rays for a sneak peek at whats underneath our clothing, they scatter us all, and feel us up if we opt out.
whats funny to me is that the argument "well if your not doing anything wrong what do you have to worry about" only applies to citizens but not the government itself.
I don't think our intelligence community's ability to spy on suspected terrorists around the globe should be hampered because of misguided American citizens who have...what? Taken up league with them? Become involved with them? What are we talking about when we say they have been "swept up" in this surveillance? Again, I will not be losing any sleep over these people being spied on.
yeah i agree, im just not so sure that our agencies are so concerned with "terrorism" thou...especially because the label is "subjective". we have groups that were terrorists, then became our allies, then went back to being terrorists again, we have "terrorists" in other countries that we fund and arm in order to advance our agenda.
see this thread for how serious our agencies take aidding and abetting terrorists
lets ignore something call the constitution just for a fews years here...my question is: how does "one" actually "spy" on communications, but only "spy" on suspected "terrorists" and their associates? in order to be effective doesnt "one" have to surveil all "communications" not just suspected "terrorists" and their associates? how is this actually done? anyone could be a terrorist
when flying tsa doesnt just scatter "terrorists" and their associates with cancerous rays for a sneak peek at whats underneath our clothing, they scatter us all, and feel us up if we opt out.
whats funny to me is that the argument "well if your not doing anything wrong what do you have to worry about" only applies to citizens but not the government itself.
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There are valid points on both sides of the arguement and I believe the best way is to step back and take an objective view, recognizing the validity of each arguement.
It is a tough job... National Security. I'm glad I don't have to make those decisions. One the one hand, if you fail... people die. One the other, you forfeit the principles our nation is founded upon and you basically allow those who are against you, control your actions. That is a tough job... upholding the Constitution and lowering the risk of dead Americans.
If someone can explain how to do this... they need to contact our government and tell them how to do it.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Well, Dirk Diggler worked in the straight industry but he was based on John Holmes who did make one gay movie.
however... It's kinda been done....
Prince...
I wasn't aware of the movie you referenced (hence, the 'qualifying' statement: at the risk of sounding unoriginal).
But come on... I know who John Holmes is and the premise behind Boogie Nights. I made a poor play on words and tossed Dork Diggler out there as a stab at humour given your 10C username. Never mind. I tried to be funny... and wasn't!
maybe I'm naive, but I don't give a shit if the government is watching me take a dump while reading my wife's cosmo.
put cameras everywhere. EVERYWHERE. I'd rather that than guns.
its not cameras, its all communications, its emails, it telephone conversations, it text messages, maybe bank account info, credit card info, logins passwords etc...who knows because we cant know
maybe I'm naive, but I don't give a shit if the government is watching me take a dump while reading my wife's cosmo.
put cameras everywhere. EVERYWHERE. I'd rather that than guns.
its not cameras, its all communications, its emails, it telephone conversations, it text messages, maybe bank account info, credit card info, logins passwords etc...who knows because we cant know
yeah, I know. at this point in my life, that stuff doesn't bother me, unless it might be used against me for whatever reason.
I guess I just kind of assumed that stuff is already happening.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I made a poor play on words and tossed Dork Diggler out there as a stab at humour given your 10C username. Never mind. I tried to be funny... and wasn't!
Ugh... man, I've got really bad sense of humor. Yours was a lot funnier than mine (which isn't a real movie, it's something that I put together as a joke when I was asked what I'd call a sci fi movie if I directed one).
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
YES! I have seen people go to Tea Parties and act out something terrible to a camera so they can use it against the Tea Party! Same concept!
A man that stands for nothing....will fall for anything!
All people need to do more on every level!
The most subversive thing a person can do at a tea party is cross your legs with a little ankle showing, place your napkin on your lap, speak in a dainty British accident and tell the leader of the pack, "When I say I'm in love you best believe I'm in love, l-u-v". And dress oh so prettily.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
me too!! AND im gonna use an emoticon for emphasis!
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Without fanfare, President Obama has reauthorized a law that allows the U.S. government to conduct surveillance on overseas activities of suspected spies and terrorists.
The Senate majority rejected arguments from an unusual combination of Democratic liberals and ideological Republican conservatives, who sought to amend the bill to require the government to reveal statistics showing whether any Americans were swept up in the foreign intercepts. The attempt lost, with 52 votes against and 43 in favor.
The point that sticks out like the proverbial 800-pound gorilla in the room is that a majority of United States senators, who took an oath to support, defend and uphold the Constitution, did not care to know if any Americans "were swept up in the foreign intercepts."
You know... that is a very, very slippery slope. On the one hand, you have to acknowledge that there do exist some very dangerous people out there that are trying to figure out to do some pretty heinous acts. These people have been driven deeper and deeper underground, but, they still DO exist... and they are still out there. Finding them is a lot tougher now... especially since we have captured some and they now know our tactics.
On the other hand is our founding principles of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness that protects ALL Americans... unfortunately, even those whom have not committed any crimes... yet... but harbor the intent to commit crimes.
How do we protect our citizens... and not compromise our principles?
...
Not a simple solution.
Hail, Hail!!!
Jesus was the King of Uranus.
At the risk of being not original... 'The King of Uranus' (starring Dork Diggler). Am I on to something here?
Well, Dirk Diggler worked in the straight industry but he was based on John Holmes who did make one gay movie.
however... It's kinda been done....
Personally, I am glad to know that we are keeping an eye on suspected terrorists and their associates. And you if are an American citizen running in these circles, the fact that you were spied on will cause me to lose not one bit of sleep.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
lets ignore something call the constitution just for a fews years here...my question is: how does "one" actually "spy" on communications, but only "spy" on suspected "terrorists" and their associates? in order to be effective doesnt "one" have to surveil all "communications" not just suspected "terrorists" and their associates? how is this actually done? anyone could be a terrorist
when flying tsa doesnt just scatter "terrorists" and their associates with cancerous rays for a sneak peek at whats underneath our clothing, they scatter us all, and feel us up if we opt out.
whats funny to me is that the argument "well if your not doing anything wrong what do you have to worry about" only applies to citizens but not the government itself.
I don't think our intelligence community's ability to spy on suspected terrorists around the globe should be hampered because of misguided American citizens who have...what? Taken up league with them? Become involved with them? What are we talking about when we say they have been "swept up" in this surveillance? Again, I will not be losing any sleep over these people being spied on.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
see this thread for how serious our agencies take aidding and abetting terrorists
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=200769
There are valid points on both sides of the arguement and I believe the best way is to step back and take an objective view, recognizing the validity of each arguement.
It is a tough job... National Security. I'm glad I don't have to make those decisions. One the one hand, if you fail... people die. One the other, you forfeit the principles our nation is founded upon and you basically allow those who are against you, control your actions. That is a tough job... upholding the Constitution and lowering the risk of dead Americans.
If someone can explain how to do this... they need to contact our government and tell them how to do it.
Hail, Hail!!!
Prince...
I wasn't aware of the movie you referenced (hence, the 'qualifying' statement: at the risk of sounding unoriginal).
But come on... I know who John Holmes is and the premise behind Boogie Nights. I made a poor play on words and tossed Dork Diggler out there as a stab at humour given your 10C username. Never mind. I tried to be funny... and wasn't!
Nice to see you on the boards.
put cameras everywhere. EVERYWHERE. I'd rather that than guns.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
its not cameras, its all communications, its emails, it telephone conversations, it text messages, maybe bank account info, credit card info, logins passwords etc...who knows because we cant know
yeah, I know. at this point in my life, that stuff doesn't bother me, unless it might be used against me for whatever reason.
I guess I just kind of assumed that stuff is already happening.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Ugh... man, I've got really bad sense of humor. Yours was a lot funnier than mine (which isn't a real movie, it's something that I put together as a joke when I was asked what I'd call a sci fi movie if I directed one).