Neil Young: WAGING HEAVY PEACE

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  • EZ1221CEZ1221C Posts: 2,645
    I believe its already out
    PLAY THE SOUTH
  • marcosmarcos Posts: 2,112
    It looks like a good read; hope to hear people's opinions here, the Pete book looks good too.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,071
    marcos wrote:
    It looks like a good read; hope to hear people's opinions here, the Pete book looks good too.

    Yes, Pete's book look great as well. Some good reading coming up!

    And yes, Neil's book is out- have to order a copy this week.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • TravelarTravelar Kalamazoo, USA Posts: 3,404
    Loaded it on the kindle yesterday. 5 weeks of grad school left, so I doubt I will get to it before then.
  • MysteryTrainMysteryTrain Singapore Posts: 1,189
    Finished it in four days. It's more of a blog than a book. Very enjoyable. I especially like it when he talks about Briggs and the Horse.
  • morellomorello Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 6,217
    I'm keen to hear what people think of this. I have it reserved at the library atm but I'm #27 on the list so it's going to be a while before I can get it.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    This is what one should expect from a book written by Neil Young.....non-linear, leaning towards "train of thought" writing and basically all over the place. Interesting, very.....entertaining, indeed. If you don't like cars, trains or talk of music technology, you might get bored by some sections. I am only about 1/2 way through, but have enjoyed it.....well worth the $14.99 I paid for the enhanced edition from iBooks.
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  • yes, it is not your average read. it's like reading someone's diary. not linear at all. a lot of beginnnigs of stories and "I'll get back to that later" type of stuff. He goes from the mid 70's to the 2000's back to the mid 70's in the same paragraph. He even wrote in one chapter, the one I just finished (I'm about halfway through), he says "if you can't read this, give it to someone else".

    He mentions Purtone/Pono so often, I feel as though this book was just a vehicle to make people aware of the product he developed.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,071
    Here's a little story you won't read in Neil's book: When I was in high school at Cubberley High I was an active member of the school's stage crew. In 1967 Buffalo Springfield played in the auditorium at our school and my job for the show was to run the main spot light on Neil Young. A girl I knew at the time came up to me during the show and talked me into doing something I'll forever be embarrassed to admit- but it's too good a story to not tell it. She said she was a HUGE Neil Young fan and begged me to run the spot on here while she run up to the stage. I told her, "No way! I can't do that." But she pleaded and pleaded, gave me these big sad eyes. I finally relented. She ran down the bleacher steps, across the floor, spot on her the whole time, jumped up on stage and planted a big kiss right on on Neil's face in the middle of a song. Young basically pushed her off stage with a scowl. He was not at all pleased or amused.

    Neil Young, I hereby officially apologize! What can I say- I was 16 and she was very cute!

    Here's an article that includes a little information about the show:

    http://rockprosopography101.blogspot.co ... chool.html
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • brianlux wrote:
    Here's a little story you won't read in Neil's book: When I was in high school at Cubberley High I was an active member of the school's stage crew. In 1967 Buffalo Springfield played in the auditorium at our school and my job for the show was to run the main spot light on Neil Young. A girl I knew at the time came up to me during the show and talked me into doing something I'll forever be embarrassed to admit- but it's too good a story to not tell it. She said she was a HUGE Neil Young fan and begged me to run the spot on here while she run up to the stage. I told her, "No way! I can't do that." But she pleaded and pleaded, gave me these big sad eyes. I finally relented. She ran down the bleacher steps, across the floor, spot on her the whole time, jumped up on stage and planted a big kiss right on on Neil's face in the middle of a song. Young basically pushed her off stage with a scowl. He was not at all pleased or amused.

    Neil Young, I hereby officially apologize! What can I say- I was 16 and she was very cute!

    Here's an article that includes a little information about the show:

    http://rockprosopography101.blogspot.co ... chool.html


    :lol: That's a good story!
  • itunes etc must be pissed they didn't come up with IT sooner
    and, that is, why, neil rocks

    he totally gets it!

    he's gonna make millions, and good for him!!!!!
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,071
    itunes etc must be pissed they didn't come up with IT sooner
    and, that is, why, neil rocks

    he totally gets it!

    he's gonna make millions, and good for him!!!!!

    I totally get that, helplessdancer!

    Neil knows sound!

    Listening to "Weld" this very moment. 8-)
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • itunes etc must be pissed they didn't come up with IT sooner
    and, that is, why, neil rocks

    he totally gets it!

    he's gonna make millions, and good for him!!!!!

    no he's not. he's going to make nothing.
    Gimli 1993
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    Winnipeg 2011
    St. Paul 2014
  • itunes etc must be pissed they didn't come up with IT sooner
    and, that is, why, neil rocks

    he totally gets it!

    he's gonna make millions, and good for him!!!!!

    no he's not. he's going to make nothing.
    ?
    please explain
  • itunes etc must be pissed they didn't come up with IT sooner
    and, that is, why, neil rocks

    he totally gets it!

    he's gonna make millions, and good for him!!!!!

    no he's not. he's going to make nothing.
    really?
  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    Good read.
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • i totally get why people live in hawaii
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,071
    I looked at Neil's book on the shelf this evening and thought- is it too soon to read it again? Perhaps.
    Encore Neil, encore! :D
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • Wow! This book is crap. Sorry. Can someone please tell me if it gets better?

    What the he'll is he talking about? Chinese laborers on his home Lionel train set? and he's sober? WTF?

    The start sounds like an old man complaining about something that makes no sense. The music isn't the problem? The sound is? The Biebers would disagree. He is a fuckin old man loon. Seems like details to the more interesting parts are left out so he can go on his old man rants.

    That said - is it worth continuing, or is the rest more of the same?
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    Sounds like a pretty cool book. Put it in the the "I might read someday" pile. Not a big book reader, but I've read a few and there are a ton that I've seen mentioned that I need to catch up on.
    itunes etc must be pissed they didn't come up with IT sooner
    and, that is, why, neil rocks

    he totally gets it!

    he's gonna make millions, and good for him!!!!!

    I doubt he makes millions. Depending on how much money he's invested in it, he's more likely to lose his ass. Look at the success of other forms of hi def audio and it's barely a drop in the bucket. He could do well if he wasn't under the delusion that people actually cared about sound quality.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,071
    Wow! This book is crap. Sorry. Can someone please tell me if it gets better?

    What the he'll is he talking about? Chinese laborers on his home Lionel train set? and he's sober? WTF?

    The start sounds like an old man complaining about something that makes no sense. The music isn't the problem? The sound is? The Biebers would disagree. He is a fuckin old man loon. Seems like details to the more interesting parts are left out so he can go on his old man rants.

    That said - is it worth continuing, or is the rest more of the same?

    It's Neil Young, Edson, not Hemingway! :lol:

    I loved it- lots of great stories, interesting insights into the music and life of NY. If your looking for literary genius, you'll definitely be disappointed. If your a Neilophile, like me, you'll love it.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • brianlux wrote:
    Wow! This book is crap. Sorry. Can someone please tell me if it gets better?

    What the he'll is he talking about? Chinese laborers on his home Lionel train set? and he's sober? WTF?

    The start sounds like an old man complaining about something that makes no sense. The music isn't the problem? The sound is? The Biebers would disagree. He is a fuckin old man loon. Seems like details to the more interesting parts are left out so he can go on his old man rants.

    That said - is it worth continuing, or is the rest more of the same?

    It's Neil Young, Edson, not Hemingway! :lol:

    I loved it- lots of great stories, interesting insights into the music and life of NY. If your looking for literary genius, you'll definitely be disappointed. If your a Neilophile, like me, you'll love it.
    :lol: I like The Old Man amd the Sea as much as the next guy :? and love music and NY, but the start is just an old man ranting (and not very well, mind you) about what's great about his toy train set and wrong about modern sound (he does know we all don't rely on JUST the iThingys for our music, right?). I want to read about his life, not some old man rambling about how he's going to invent music :? and some imaginary Chinese workers in his toy train room (wtf is that anyway?)

    You tell me it gets better, and that's good enough for me to push ahead. I want to hear about "the Springfield" and not have it be an aside to his incoherent ramblings. Just finished Who I Am and that was an incredible journey through Pete's life interspersed with interesting tidbits of how he feels he contributed to music (without being preachy).

    So, what say you, great overlord of the page reader? :D
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • morellomorello Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 6,217
    I've searched for an ***official Neil Young thread*** or something like that & OMG there doesn't appear to be one :o so thought I'd see if I can get Uncle Neil peeps this way....

    I have tix for 2 NY & CH shows in March &&& I'm just wondering, do people have experience of Neil's after show habits? If I hang around afterwards do I have a chance in hell of possibly meeting him, even fleetingly?
    Thnx. :)
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,071
    brianlux wrote:
    Wow! This book is crap. Sorry. Can someone please tell me if it gets better?

    What the he'll is he talking about? Chinese laborers on his home Lionel train set? and he's sober? WTF?

    The start sounds like an old man complaining about something that makes no sense. The music isn't the problem? The sound is? The Biebers would disagree. He is a fuckin old man loon. Seems like details to the more interesting parts are left out so he can go on his old man rants.

    That said - is it worth continuing, or is the rest more of the same?

    It's Neil Young, Edson, not Hemingway! :lol:

    I loved it- lots of great stories, interesting insights into the music and life of NY. If your looking for literary genius, you'll definitely be disappointed. If your a Neilophile, like me, you'll love it.
    :lol: I like The Old Man amd the Sea as much as the next guy :? and love music and NY, but the start is just an old man ranting (and not very well, mind you) about what's great about his toy train set and wrong about modern sound (he does know we all don't rely on JUST the iThingys for our music, right?). I want to read about his life, not some old man rambling about how he's going to invent music :? and some imaginary Chinese workers in his toy train room (wtf is that anyway?)

    You tell me it gets better, and that's good enough for me to push ahead. I want to hear about "the Springfield" and not have it be an aside to his incoherent ramblings. Just finished Who I Am and that was an incredible journey through Pete's life interspersed with interesting tidbits of how he feels he contributed to music (without being preachy).

    So, what say you, great overlord of the page reader? :D

    Sorry so long in responding, Edson! Yes- press on! Neils weaves stories in and out from current doings to past history. Yes, there are lots of great stories about Buffalo Springfield, the early days of the Horse, several reminiscences of so many great musicians who have come and gone in his time- Danny Whitten, Ben Keith, Jack Nitzsche, and others. He also heaps great praise on the living Horse. Yes, Neil's book bogs down a bit here and there and good argument has been made that at time it sounds like an infomercial for his new sound system, but those are brief and easy to breeze through (and I didn't mind them because I feel the same way about digital music being mostly "a huge rip off" (his term from an early article published in- I believe- the now defunct Musician Magazine. Some of the more recent stories hold good interest as well like the time he breaks down on I-5 in the Licvolt with his dog and his cell phone is dying.

    Great stuff! Loved the book and after nearly 500 pages I was sorry it ended.

    Speaking of stories, did I ever tell this one? Some friends of mine and I went to see Crosby stills Nash and Young at Winterland in S.F. in I believe it was late 1969. A few minutes before the doors opened one of my friends said something about how it was interesting seeing the two of us standing in the street corner staring at the ground looking so dejected.

    "The two of whom?" I said.

    "You didn't see him?" my friend said in disbelief.

    "See who? What the hell are you talking about?"

    "Neil Young, dummy. The two of you standing there staring at the ground looking like two lost souls."

    Funny as hell. I guess I really was there. :lol:

    Oh, and man, it was a great show. They did "Down By the River" and brought the place down. At the end of that song the four of them were all hugging and, I suspect. shedding some tears. I think this was right after Crosby's girl friend died. "Very heavy" is how we described it.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • brianlux wrote:
    Sorry so long in responding, Edson! Yes- press on! Neils weaves stories in and out from current doings to past history. Yes, there are lots of great stories about Buffalo Springfield, the early days of the Horse, several reminiscences of so many great musicians who have come and gone in his time- Danny Whitten, Ben Keith, Jack Nitzsche, and others. He also heaps great praise on the living Horse. Yes, Neil's book bogs down a bit here and there and good argument has been made that at time it sounds like an infomercial for his new sound system, but those are brief and easy to breeze through (and I didn't mind them because I feel the same way about digital music being mostly "a huge rip off" (his term from an early article published in- I believe- the now defunct Musician Magazine. Some of the more recent stories hold good interest as well like the time he breaks down on I-5 in the Licvolt with his dog and his cell phone is dying.

    Great stuff! Loved the book and after nearly 500 pages I was sorry it ended.

    Speaking of stories, did I ever tell this one? Some friends of mine and I went to see Crosby stills Nash and Young at Winterland in S.F. in I believe it was late 1969. A few minutes before the doors opened one of my friends said something about how it was interesting seeing the two of us standing in the street corner staring at the ground looking so dejected.

    "The two of whom?" I said.

    "You didn't see him?" my friend said in disbelief.

    "See who? What the hell are you talking about?"

    "Neil Young, dummy. The two of you standing there staring at the ground looking like two lost souls."

    Funny as hell. I guess I really was there. :lol:

    Oh, and man, it was a great show. They did "Down By the River" and brought the place down. At the end of that song the four of them were all hugging and, I suspect. shedding some tears. I think this was right after Crosby's girl friend died. "Very heavy" is how we described it.

    Dude! You're like the Forest Gump of music. Any other early rockers you inadvertantly snub? :lol:

    Thanks for the insight. Will definitely push on.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • brianlux wrote:
    Sorry so long in responding, Edson! Yes- press on! Neils weaves stories in and out from current doings to past history. Yes, there are lots of great stories about Buffalo Springfield, the early days of the Horse, several reminiscences of so many great musicians who have come and gone in his time- Danny Whitten, Ben Keith, Jack Nitzsche, and others. He also heaps great praise on the living Horse. Yes, Neil's book bogs down a bit here and there and good argument has been made that at time it sounds like an infomercial for his new sound system, but those are brief and easy to breeze through (and I didn't mind them because I feel the same way about digital music being mostly "a huge rip off" (his term from an early article published in- I believe- the now defunct Musician Magazine. Some of the more recent stories hold good interest as well like the time he breaks down on I-5 in the Licvolt with his dog and his cell phone is dying.

    Great stuff! Loved the book and after nearly 500 pages I was sorry it ended.

    Speaking of stories, did I ever tell this one? Some friends of mine and I went to see Crosby stills Nash and Young at Winterland in S.F. in I believe it was late 1969. A few minutes before the doors opened one of my friends said something about how it was interesting seeing the two of us standing in the street corner staring at the ground looking so dejected.

    "The two of whom?" I said.

    "You didn't see him?" my friend said in disbelief.

    "See who? What the hell are you talking about?"

    "Neil Young, dummy. The two of you standing there staring at the ground looking like two lost souls."

    Funny as hell. I guess I really was there. :lol:

    Oh, and man, it was a great show. They did "Down By the River" and brought the place down. At the end of that song the four of them were all hugging and, I suspect. shedding some tears. I think this was right after Crosby's girl friend died. "Very heavy" is how we described it.

    Dude! You're like the Forest Gump of music. Any other early rockers you inadvertantly snub? :lol:

    Thanks for the insight. Will definitely push on.
    Great story Brian! And Edson, have you ever read "Shakey"? It's a bio of NY written by Jimmy McDonough (I think that's the author). I'm reading that now which is pretty good. Maybe a little more well written...
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  • Great story Brian! And Edson, have you ever read "Shakey"? It's a bio of NY written by Jimmy McDonough (I think that's the author). I'm reading that now which is pretty good. Maybe a little more well written...

    Have not. To be honest I like NY, but it's not like I'm his biggest fan. I actually picked this up when I pick the Pete book up at Costco (love the lower prices, but I wind up spending more anyway. :? ).

    But, thanks for the tip.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,071
    "the Forest Gump of music"... :lol::lol::lol: Edson, you crack me up!

    I totally agree with he.who.forgets- Shakey is an excellent read also. As I recall however, may be a little bit of a snub in Waging Heavy Peace toward that or maybe another bio. Neil indicates that it is better to write about ones life yourself rather than have somebody else do it. I kind of get that although I can imagine that wouldn't always work!

    No Edson, I never snubbed another rocker. But I have been snubbed! :lol:

    One evening just before a show, I passed John Ashton, the guitarist for the Psychedelic Furs, on Geary in San Francisco in around 1982. He had just stepped out of a bar and was all decked out in punk regalia with these pointy little boots and a very intent, purposeful gate to his step. Being a big Furs fan, I kind of smiled at him as he approached and he gave me a snarled look that was both delightful and very frightening! I gave him wide berth as we passed and the turned around and said, "awwright"! He just ignored me. :lol:

    Only a minute later, Richard Butler, the groups singer stepped out of a limo in from of the theater, the Kabuki Club, and a groupie called. out, "Oh, Richard, it me, Nancy (or somebody), you know, Jane's friend. Remember me?" In a very flamboyant voice and manner Richard said, "Oh SURE, eeeeeeeverybody is my friend, hahahaha!!!"

    Guess she was snubbed too. :lol:
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    brianlux wrote:
    Wow! This book is crap. Sorry. Can someone please tell me if it gets better?

    What the he'll is he talking about? Chinese laborers on his home Lionel train set? and he's sober? WTF?

    The start sounds like an old man complaining about something that makes no sense. The music isn't the problem? The sound is? The Biebers would disagree. He is a fuckin old man loon. Seems like details to the more interesting parts are left out so he can go on his old man rants.

    That said - is it worth continuing, or is the rest more of the same?

    It's Neil Young, Edson, not Hemingway! :lol:

    I loved it- lots of great stories, interesting insights into the music and life of NY. If your looking for literary genius, you'll definitely be disappointed. If your a Neilophile, like me, you'll love it.
    :lol: I like The Old Man amd the Sea as much as the next guy :? and love music and NY, but the start is just an old man ranting (and not very well, mind you) about what's great about his toy train set and wrong about modern sound (he does know we all don't rely on JUST the iThingys for our music, right?). I want to read about his life, not some old man rambling about how he's going to invent music :? and some imaginary Chinese workers in his toy train room (wtf is that anyway?)

    You tell me it gets better, and that's good enough for me to push ahead. I want to hear about "the Springfield" and not have it be an aside to his incoherent ramblings. Just finished Who I Am and that was an incredible journey through Pete's life interspersed with interesting tidbits of how he feels he contributed to music (without being preachy).

    So, what say you, great overlord of the page reader? :D


    the things neil speaks of are important to him.. theyre part of who he is. he talks about energy efficient cars too.. and while i have zero interest in automobiles i understand that neils love of big cars is what brought him to look into alternate fuel for his vehicles. he doesnt want to sacrifice his love so hes doing something about it so he can loive responsibly. hes not preaching hes just telling you his toughts on stuff he feels deep about. he hates how the modern sound of music is being corrupted and kids growing up these days tensd not to know any better cause a lot of the time theyre glued to their i products and whatever the hell else gadget of convenience they listen to their music on. hes trying to figure out a way where the sound quality isnt compromised. cant fault him for that. as for his trains all you really need to know to understand that little obsession is that his son is a big motivation. i love neils ramblings most probably cause i have been known to go off on tangents. stories are as interesting as the person telling them and i find neil youngs method interesting.
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  • Wow! This book is crap. Sorry. Can someone please tell me if it gets better?

    What the he'll is he talking about? Chinese laborers on his home Lionel train set? and he's sober? WTF?

    The start sounds like an old man complaining about something that makes no sense. The music isn't the problem? The sound is? The Biebers would disagree. He is a fuckin old man loon. Seems like details to the more interesting parts are left out so he can go on his old man rants.

    That said - is it worth continuing, or is the rest more of the same?

    couldn't agree more. I got so sick of reading stories about his stupid car (Lincvolt is the worst name for a car I've ever heard) and him pushing his fucking puretone, I was reading up until I got to the chapter about the Hawaiian Costco. Seriously, a chapter devoted to the "unbelievable discovery" of fresh fruit at Costco. Jesus Christ this man is losing his mind. it's like I'm reading about a conversation he had with an old friend over coffee. it's not a book. it's fucking random thoughts born out of boredom/senility.

    by the way, I listen to a LOT of music. I listen to it on a good stereo system. I listen in the car. I listen on my iPod. He claims digital files only generate 5% or 15% of the actual music as opposed to puretone? BULLSHIT. It's all about the headphones. I put in my ear buds in the summer, and yeah, the music sounds like it's in a tin can. But I put on my $50 headphones, and my iPod sounds just as good as my $5000 stereo system. his claim is hogwash.

    and the new album is also terrible. the guy needs to go back on the weed. :lol:
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