How could anyone watch the debate w/ game 7 of the NLCS on???
And you call yourselves Americans ...
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i flipped between NLCS, MNF and debate ... once it was 5-0 ... that game was over and the bears/lions game was awful ... actually found the debate to be the most entertaining ...
i think it's really unfortunate for americans that the political process and the level of discussion in the public has degenerated so much ... i think obama could have become a great president ... one who would truly be admired domestically and internationally ... one that people could be proud of ... unfortunately, the public is far too dumb (for lack of a better word) and this partisan shell of a game is what we're left with ...
I learned really a lot and could picture Romney doing the job
and watching and listening to our President
I remembered why I voted for Obama in 2008, he commands well....
did he seem a bit defensive to anyone though?
I think the debate for me was tied up probably cause I like them both
and it makes the decision even harder.
I saw interviews with others like myself still trying to pick...
it's a tough one for the true independents and for those who pick from the heart.
I learned really a lot and could picture Romney doing the job
and watching and listening to our President
I remembered why I voted for Obama in 2008, he commands well....
did he seem a bit defensive to anyone though?
He had to be defensive: he's the incumbent with an actual track record.
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I learned really a lot and could picture Romney doing the job
and watching and listening to our President
I remembered why I voted for Obama in 2008, he commands well....
did he seem a bit defensive to anyone though?
I think the debate for me was tied up probably cause I like them both
and it makes the decision even harder.
I saw interviews with others like myself still trying to pick...
it's a tough one for the true independents those who pick from the heart.
we could argue that Romney is better suited to a debate on economy for various reasons but Obama has become a really strong performer when talking about international policy. I think we has the right mixture of leadership to the world, strong to the enemies and compassion. I will admit Romney did better in the debates then I thought he would but the notion that he was close to Obama in the third debate doesn't add up.
I didn't think Obama was defensive it was the other way around.
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I learned really a lot and could picture Romney doing the job
and watching and listening to our President
I remembered why I voted for Obama in 2008, he commands well....
did he seem a bit defensive to anyone though?
He had to be defensive: he's the incumbent with an actual track record.
My opinion is its a pretty fine track record so why be defensive?
Especially since they have such similar foreign policy.
I learned really a lot and could picture Romney doing the job
and watching and listening to our President
I remembered why I voted for Obama in 2008, he commands well....
did he seem a bit defensive to anyone though?
He had to be defensive: he's the incumbent with an actual track record.
My opinion is its a pretty fine track record so why be defensive?
Especially since they have such similar foreign policy.
well first off Romney called Obama's world tour an 'apology tour' so it needed to clarify that comment.. my god that line is getting old and it's so untrue.
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I learned really a lot and could picture Romney doing the job
and watching and listening to our President
I remembered why I voted for Obama in 2008, he commands well....
did he seem a bit defensive to anyone though?
He had to be defensive: he's the incumbent with an actual track record.
My opinion is its a pretty fine track record so why be defensive?
Especially since they have such similar foreign policy.
What I mean is, Romney was obviously going to find/use whatever he could to attack the president's record. Romney has nothing to defend. It's a lot easier for the challenger (especially one who has only been governor and has no real foreign policy experience) to come out swinging in the foreign policy debate.
Bright eyed kid: "Wow Typo Man, you're the best!"
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
I learned really a lot and could picture Romney doing the job
and watching and listening to our President
I remembered why I voted for Obama in 2008, he commands well....
did he seem a bit defensive to anyone though?
I think the debate for me was tied up probably cause I like them both
and it makes the decision even harder.
I saw interviews with others like myself still trying to pick...
it's a tough one for the true independents those who pick from the heart.
we could argue that Romney is better suited to a debate on economy for various reasons but Obama has become a really strong performer when talking about international policy. I think we has the right mixture of leadership to the world, strong to the enemies and compassion. I will admit Romney did better in the debates then I thought he would but the notion that he was close to Obama in the third debate doesn't add up.
I didn't think Obama was defensive it was the other way around.
Obama is very strong, his persona is likable, trustworthy, compassionate...
again my opinion is based on the fact I like Romney also so the debates have been
pretty much equal for me. Last nights was my favorite though of the three.
He had to be defensive: he's the incumbent with an actual track record.
My opinion is its a pretty fine track record so why be defensive?
Especially since they have such similar foreign policy.
What I mean is, Romney was obviously going to find/use whatever he could to attack the president's record. Romney has nothing to defend. It's a lot easier for the challenger (especially one who has only been governor and has no real foreign policy experience) to come out swinging in the foreign policy debate.
they have pretty much exactly the same policies on international events... the only difference I could see was that Obama was more articulate when it came to expressing his policies.. Romney says exactly what Obama says but louder when it comes to issues like Iran and Syria.
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Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
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they have pretty much exactly the same policies on international events... the only difference I could see was that Obama was more articulate when it came to expressing his policies.. Romney says exactly what Obama says but louder when it comes to issues like Iran and Syria.
This is kinda what I was thinking too. Obama sounded much more focused I thought. Mitt kinda talked in circles a few times. At the end of one part regarding terrorists, Mitt said "we cant kill our way out of this mess." Then his next response was we've got to kill al qaeda leaders. :?
they have pretty much exactly the same policies on international events... the only difference I could see was that Obama was more articulate when it came to expressing his policies.. Romney says exactly what Obama says but louder when it comes to issues like Iran and Syria.
Romney is also not the speaker Obama is as far as attractive style, method, tone, gesture ...
he has lovely hands and smile.
Romney still gets a little excited and stutters a bit but I see a huge improvement
in him over this time on the campaign trail.
IF he would win the office I can see that improving although swagger will never be used to
describe him. I would be alright with that though.
What happens to me is no matter who gets in I learn to love my President.
they have pretty much exactly the same policies on international events... the only difference I could see was that Obama was more articulate when it came to expressing his policies.. Romney says exactly what Obama says but louder when it comes to issues like Iran and Syria.
ive not fact checked it but if it is indeed true that 17-24 of romney's CURRENT foreign policy advisers are from the GW Bush Admin, then god help us all. we are in for another neocon disaster...
all remaining so called undecideds, please take note.
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How could anyone watch the debate w/ game 7 of the NLCS on???
And you call yourselves Americans ...
:nono: :fp:
I watched both but then then I'm not only American, but Bay Area born as well. It was weird though because it became fairly evident early on that the Giants were most likely going to win and it became fairly evident throughout that neither Romeny or Obama were going to say anything I hadn't heard before. The most interesting thing about the evening was watching the end of an NLCS game played out in pouring rain.
Also, it doesn't surprise me in the least that commentators said that at this point there are few undecided voters.
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ridiculous thread.. I respect your opinion but Obama smashed him on international policy and rightly so.. Obama was on the attack but everyone expected him to win.
i agree. this thread is pointless. where is the op to defend his position in his thread?
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romney erroneously claimed, again, that repealing obamacare would cut the deficit when it would actually increase the deficit by $109 billion over 10 years.
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I agree with the OP: Bigfoot exists and Scientology is a legitimate explanation for our universe and the existence of humanity. (And the Garden of Eden was in present-day Missouri).
I agree with the OP: Bigfoot exists and Scientology is a legitimate explanation for our universe and the existence of humanity. (And the Garden of Eden was in present-day Missouri).
The question was posed to Romney on how he would pay for his proposed $2 trillion increase in military spending, and he flat out didn't answer it. He was busy finishing his previous answer. So by the time it was the president's turn, Obama actually said, "You should have answered the question."
Obama then asserted that the United States spends more on its military than the next 10 countries combined. That's a great attention grabber. By the time Romney finally answered, he simply said we needed a stronger military, and the Navy needs more ships because it has fewer ships than it did in 1916.
But Obama countered with the most memorable line of the night. "We also have fewer horses and bayonets." Obama's debating point was that the nature of our military has changed. He continued by saying that the U.S. has things like submarines and aircraft carriers that should suffice, and reminded viewers that the nation needed to study what its threats are and put money into things like cybersecurity and space. Obama said that the military neither wants nor has asked for this extra $2 trillion.
This was terrible for Romney for three reasons. First, it was the original area of real disagreement, and Romney couldn't afford to be bested. Second, no matter what he may actually know, Romney looked like a neophyte when it comes to military spending, as though he were repeating old Republican talking points. Viewers could be left unsure whether he knew what century this is.
And finally, it's two freaking trillion dollars! They both talked about the budget deficit and the need to balance the budget, and over three debates, this -- $2 trillion on military spending -- was the biggest difference on offer. Axing Big Bird would net a President Romney next to nothing in savings, but adding $2 trillion to defense sounded excessive, especially if it's true that the U.S. already spends more than the next 10 countries combined. Point Obama.
I pored over my notes. The candidates had some other differences on future policies, such as who could be a better BFF to Israel (arguably, with his relationships in Israel, Romney might be, but he showed no actual specifics on how his policies would differ from Obama's) and what represents the greatest threat to America (Obama said terrorism, with some China economic arguments, while Romney said a nuclear Iran; but each man failed in Monday night's debate to show why this difference was important). But the topic I couldn't forget was defense spending."
they have pretty much exactly the same policies on international events... the only difference I could see was that Obama was more articulate when it came to expressing his policies.. Romney says exactly what Obama says but louder when it comes to issues like Iran and Syria.
ive not fact checked it but if it is indeed true that 17-24 of romney's CURRENT foreign policy advisers are from the GW Bush Admin, then god help us all. we are in for another neocon disaster...
all remaining so called undecideds, please take note.
I'm predicting that if Romney is our president that the US will be at war with Iran within 3 years of his taking office. Nothing like a war president to run for re-election. Those neocons are flat out whacked.
While Army recruits no longer charge dummies with bayonets fixed to their rifles, they do still receive training on how to use a knife or bayonet as a handheld secondary weapon in close combat. And as the Washington Post's Rajiv Chandrasekaran notes, U.S. marines still train with bayonets and many are issued them as standard equipment.
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I pored over my notes. The candidates had some other differences on future policies, such as who could be a better BFF to Israel (arguably, with his relationships in Israel, Romney might be, but he showed no actual specifics on how his policies would differ from Obama's) and what represents the greatest threat to America (Obama said terrorism, with some China economic arguments, while Romney said a nuclear Iran; but each man failed in Monday night's debate to show why this difference was important). But the topic I couldn't forget was defense spending."
obama has been a very moderate voice as it relates to israel/palestine ... a viewpoint most countries have on the affair ... the GOP has lately been staunch allies for the right wing gov'ts in israel now ... so, only in america where the discussion on palestinian affairs is still about suicide bombers and the holocaust is this an issue ...
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Hockey wasn't on.
i flipped between NLCS, MNF and debate ... once it was 5-0 ... that game was over and the bears/lions game was awful ... actually found the debate to be the most entertaining ...
i think it's really unfortunate for americans that the political process and the level of discussion in the public has degenerated so much ... i think obama could have become a great president ... one who would truly be admired domestically and internationally ... one that people could be proud of ... unfortunately, the public is far too dumb (for lack of a better word) and this partisan shell of a game is what we're left with ...
I learned really a lot and could picture Romney doing the job
and watching and listening to our President
I remembered why I voted for Obama in 2008, he commands well....
did he seem a bit defensive to anyone though?
I think the debate for me was tied up probably cause I like them both
and it makes the decision even harder.
I saw interviews with others like myself still trying to pick...
it's a tough one for the true independents and for those who pick from the heart.
He had to be defensive: he's the incumbent with an actual track record.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
we could argue that Romney is better suited to a debate on economy for various reasons but Obama has become a really strong performer when talking about international policy. I think we has the right mixture of leadership to the world, strong to the enemies and compassion. I will admit Romney did better in the debates then I thought he would but the notion that he was close to Obama in the third debate doesn't add up.
I didn't think Obama was defensive it was the other way around.
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Especially since they have such similar foreign policy.
well first off Romney called Obama's world tour an 'apology tour' so it needed to clarify that comment.. my god that line is getting old and it's so untrue.
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What I mean is, Romney was obviously going to find/use whatever he could to attack the president's record. Romney has nothing to defend. It's a lot easier for the challenger (especially one who has only been governor and has no real foreign policy experience) to come out swinging in the foreign policy debate.
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again my opinion is based on the fact I like Romney also so the debates have been
pretty much equal for me. Last nights was my favorite though of the three.
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I love you forever and forever
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This is kinda what I was thinking too. Obama sounded much more focused I thought. Mitt kinda talked in circles a few times. At the end of one part regarding terrorists, Mitt said "we cant kill our way out of this mess." Then his next response was we've got to kill al qaeda leaders. :?
he has lovely hands and smile.
Romney still gets a little excited and stutters a bit but I see a huge improvement
in him over this time on the campaign trail.
IF he would win the office I can see that improving although swagger will never be used to
describe him. I would be alright with that though.
What happens to me is no matter who gets in I learn to love my President.
ive not fact checked it but if it is indeed true that 17-24 of romney's CURRENT foreign policy advisers are from the GW Bush Admin, then god help us all. we are in for another neocon disaster...
all remaining so called undecideds, please take note.
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I watched both but then then I'm not only American, but Bay Area born as well. It was weird though because it became fairly evident early on that the Giants were most likely going to win and it became fairly evident throughout that neither Romeny or Obama were going to say anything I hadn't heard before. The most interesting thing about the evening was watching the end of an NLCS game played out in pouring rain.
Also, it doesn't surprise me in the least that commentators said that at this point there are few undecided voters.
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Good read here:
http://us.cnn.com/2012/10/23/opinion/gr ... ?hpt=hp_t2
This is mainly what I wanted answered last night:
The question was posed to Romney on how he would pay for his proposed $2 trillion increase in military spending, and he flat out didn't answer it. He was busy finishing his previous answer. So by the time it was the president's turn, Obama actually said, "You should have answered the question."
Obama then asserted that the United States spends more on its military than the next 10 countries combined. That's a great attention grabber. By the time Romney finally answered, he simply said we needed a stronger military, and the Navy needs more ships because it has fewer ships than it did in 1916.
But Obama countered with the most memorable line of the night. "We also have fewer horses and bayonets." Obama's debating point was that the nature of our military has changed. He continued by saying that the U.S. has things like submarines and aircraft carriers that should suffice, and reminded viewers that the nation needed to study what its threats are and put money into things like cybersecurity and space. Obama said that the military neither wants nor has asked for this extra $2 trillion.
This was terrible for Romney for three reasons. First, it was the original area of real disagreement, and Romney couldn't afford to be bested. Second, no matter what he may actually know, Romney looked like a neophyte when it comes to military spending, as though he were repeating old Republican talking points. Viewers could be left unsure whether he knew what century this is.
And finally, it's two freaking trillion dollars! They both talked about the budget deficit and the need to balance the budget, and over three debates, this -- $2 trillion on military spending -- was the biggest difference on offer. Axing Big Bird would net a President Romney next to nothing in savings, but adding $2 trillion to defense sounded excessive, especially if it's true that the U.S. already spends more than the next 10 countries combined. Point Obama.
I pored over my notes. The candidates had some other differences on future policies, such as who could be a better BFF to Israel (arguably, with his relationships in Israel, Romney might be, but he showed no actual specifics on how his policies would differ from Obama's) and what represents the greatest threat to America (Obama said terrorism, with some China economic arguments, while Romney said a nuclear Iran; but each man failed in Monday night's debate to show why this difference was important). But the topic I couldn't forget was defense spending."
I'm predicting that if Romney is our president that the US will be at war with Iran within 3 years of his taking office. Nothing like a war president to run for re-election. Those neocons are flat out whacked.
Peace.
Not that it makes a difference, but they still have them.
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201 ... d_bayonets
While Army recruits no longer charge dummies with bayonets fixed to their rifles, they do still receive training on how to use a knife or bayonet as a handheld secondary weapon in close combat. And as the Washington Post's Rajiv Chandrasekaran notes, U.S. marines still train with bayonets and many are issued them as standard equipment.
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obama has been a very moderate voice as it relates to israel/palestine ... a viewpoint most countries have on the affair ... the GOP has lately been staunch allies for the right wing gov'ts in israel now ... so, only in america where the discussion on palestinian affairs is still about suicide bombers and the holocaust is this an issue ...