Fighting For GA Is No Different Than Fighting For Yourself

CAVSTARR313

Assholes and elbows!!!

LONG LIVE GA!!!!

DS1119

Caveeze wrote:

Hey DS.. GA is great.. get over it.. who wants it most, gets it.. survival of the fittest, Darwin, all that shit..

the truth is that whenever and wherever PJ plays, there isn't bad seat in the house.. They always shrink the room, they alway make you feel like you are right there..

If you feel like you need to be on the rail, catching picks, maybe getting a slug of red wine (Gatorade), having Mike point right at you just to enjoy the show.. Then I feel it is yours to go for..

Having a lower number doesnt make you a bigger fan.,. and never forget, THIS IS A FUCKING ROCK SHOW!!!!

I take it you haven't been to a GA PJ show in the US in a while.

DS1119

Until it gets back to this keep your GA shows. If it's this then I'm all in. Until then it's just people smushed togeter for no reason doing nothing than what happens with reserved seating. I think I saw a dolphin jump through the air at 53 seconds.

Pick one head and try to follow it the whole video! Good luck. This is GA at a PJ show ladies and gentlemen the way it should be. Love the mass of people that fall at the 1:20 mark on the left. Thats a rock show with GA!!! Excuses.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl6FunZimGQ

supersonicyears

DS1119 wrote:

Until it gets back to this keep your GA shows. If it's this then I'm all in. Until then it's just people smushed togeter for no reason doing nothing than what happens with reserved seating. I think I saw a dolphin jump through the air at 53 seconds.

Pick one head and try to follow it the whole video! Good luck. This is GA at a PJ show ladies and gentlemen the way it should be. Love the mass of people that fall at the 1:20 mark on the left. Thats a rock show with GA!!! Excuses.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl6FunZimGQ

I think it was a sand shark!

I don't know why you guys don't like the ga with camping idea. It's not standing amonst your tents watching. There would be an open field in front of the stage. I'm sure if the band had there other bands playing throughout the day, people would be less likely to be squeezed in like sardines once Pearl Jam goes on. Hopefully a lot of people will get wasted by then pass out and the survival of the fittest and soberist wil go into effect.

Wilds

supersonicyears wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Until it gets back to this keep your GA shows. If it's this then I'm all in. Until then it's just people smushed togeter for no reason doing nothing than what happens with reserved seating. I think I saw a dolphin jump through the air at 53 seconds.

Pick one head and try to follow it the whole video! Good luck. This is GA at a PJ show ladies and gentlemen the way it should be. Love the mass of people that fall at the 1:20 mark on the left. Thats a rock show with GA!!! Excuses.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl6FunZimGQ

I think it was a sand shark!

I don't know why you guys don't like the ga with camping idea. It's not standing amonst your tents watching. There would be an open field in front of the stage. I'm sure if the band had there other bands playing throughout the day, people would be less likely to be squeezed in like sardines once Pearl Jam goes on. Hopefully a lot of people will get wasted by then pass out and the survival of the fittest and soberist wil go into effect.

Camping at "Lemonwheel" 1996 Phish Loring Air Force Base Limestone, ME



And the venue for "The Great Went" 1997 Phish Loring Air Force Base Limestone, ME



And Phish New Years Eve 2000 Big Cypress, FL






In all of these 50,000-80,000 person festivals there is a tent/camping area, and an area for the show.

I went to the The Great Went, Oswego, and Big Cypress.

Had a blast. Now I was in my 20's, wasn't married, and didn't have kids.

Now I'm 38 and this idea appeals a little less to me. But it is totally possible.


I think what this whole argument boils down to is really just an understanding of what Pearl Jam's fan base is.

We (the lucky ones) who were in our teens or 20's when Pearl Jam bust onto the scene got to experience Pearl Jam in GA with the crowd surfing, diving, moving in a mosh style all over the pit.

They were appropriate concert etiquette with the appropriate band at the appropriate time. Fuck, Eddie was stage diving, and crowd surfing, and climbing up the rafters.

He doesn't do that anymore. Just as he has evolved and moved passed that frantic teen angst and reckless abandon, so have the bulk of the 30something, 40something, fans.

Now of course if you find yourself to be 18 at the moment, I'm sure you long for those days. But they aint coming back for Pearl Jam concerts.

I was in Europe. There was GA. The crowd was great, but just like DS says, a GA show now a days isn't much different from a seated show.

Everyone rocks out in their spot, be it with or without a chair.

So sure, if you are willing to wait around from 6am to get up front, you are happy with GA. If you want to be uncomfortable for 10 hours, to have an amazing up front show, that is great. Those opportunities will arise.

But most of us don't want to fight against the assholes that push up front, invade our personal space, and pack us in so tight that you can't see shit.

The 90's are over. Sorry you missed it.

They fucking rocked.

brianlux

Dr. Delight wrote:

WHO CARES?
These shows/energy dont hold a candle to their older shows with much more active crowds.
It's a bunch of nerdy fans standing still, raising their arms in the air with $8 beers in one hand and $35 poster tubes in the other.

That's an interesting outlook and one I can't well argue with because Missoula was my first show. But I have been seen many shows since my first- a Beach Boys concert in Menlo Park in 1963 and base on that history I would say this: the Missoula crowd was very active, I saw almost not one standing still (quite the opposite), nerds make great fans too, who needed beer? just breathe, and the posters- well, that's a good point but they ran out two people in front of me- I guess they were meant to be limited edition items- but I love my Missoula PJ t-shirt and bought my wife one which she enjoys a lot even though she isn't a fan.

Maybe Missoula was an exception these days but it's now one of my all-time favorite shows stacked up with having seen The Beach Boys, Buffalo Springfield, Jimi Hendrix, Santana, The Who, CSNY, Taj Mahal, Jethro Tull, King Crimson R.E.M., U2, The Clash, Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Miles Davis, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson and Paul Westerberg, just to name a few other favorite shows amongst many others.

I hope the next show holds up as well- I plan to be there!

DS1119

supersonicyears wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Until it gets back to this keep your GA shows. If it's this then I'm all in. Until then it's just people smushed togeter for no reason doing nothing than what happens with reserved seating. I think I saw a dolphin jump through the air at 53 seconds.

Pick one head and try to follow it the whole video! Good luck. This is GA at a PJ show ladies and gentlemen the way it should be. Love the mass of people that fall at the 1:20 mark on the left. Thats a rock show with GA!!! Excuses.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl6FunZimGQ

I think it was a sand shark!

I don't know why you guys don't like the ga with camping idea. It's not standing amonst your tents watching. There would be an open field in front of the stage. I'm sure if the band had there other bands playing throughout the day, people would be less likely to be squeezed in like sardines once Pearl Jam goes on. Hopefully a lot of people will get wasted by then pass out and the survival of the fittest and soberist wil go into effect.

One of my favorite moments with the shark/dolphin. I really would like to know what that was and who brings that to a concert?

Kathi

brianlux wrote:

Dr. Delight wrote:

WHO CARES?
These shows/energy dont hold a candle to their older shows with much more active crowds.
It's a bunch of nerdy fans standing still, raising their arms in the air with $8 beers in one hand and $35 poster tubes in the other.

That's an interesting outlook and one I can't well argue with because Missoula was my first show. But I have been seen many shows since my first- a Beach Boys concert in Menlo Park in 1963 and base on that history I would say this: the Missoula crowd was very active, I saw almost not one standing still (quite the opposite), nerds make great fans too, who needed beer? just breathe, and the posters- well, that's a good point but they ran out two people in front of me- I guess they were meant to be limited edition items- but I love my Missoula PJ t-shirt and bought my wife one which she enjoys a lot even though she isn't a fan.

Maybe Missoula was an exception these days but it's now one of my all-time favorite shows stacked up with having seen The Beach Boys, Buffalo Springfield, Jimi Hendrix, Santana, The Who, CSNY, Taj Mahal, Jethro Tull, King Crimson R.E.M., U2, The Clash, Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Miles Davis, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson and Paul Westerberg, just to name a few other favorite shows amongst many others.

I hope the next show holds up as well- I plan to be there!

Off topic, but I'm definitely jealous of your show collection. :thumbup:

DS1119

brianlux wrote:

Maybe Missoula was an exception these days but it's now one of my all-time favorite shows stacked up with having seen The Beach Boys, Buffalo Springfield, Jimi Hendrix, Santana, The Who, CSNY, Taj Mahal, Jethro Tull, King Crimson R.E.M., U2, The Clash, Tom Petty, Bob Dylan, Miles Davis, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson and Paul Westerberg, just to name a few other favorite shows amongst many others.

I hope the next show holds up as well- I plan to be there!

Missoula is not an exception. :nono: QUite the opposite. The band brings it every time they perform and so does the crowd. My favorite PJ show is Missoula. However my favorite PJ show is always the last one I see.


I guess just the point of my original post is...well I think my point has been said. It's just a fight for people who would normally sit in back wanting a chance to sit in the front...and I fully understand that, I'd do the same...it's just stop with the false reasons and be honest and go from there.

Get_Right

GA has its place in the world.
Smaller places like the highline, terminal 5, Hammerstein in NYC, and festivals.

But not for arenas and amphitheaters. I like my reserved space just fine. Selfish? Of course.

PJ_Soul

Wilds wrote:

supersonicyears wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Until it gets back to this keep your GA shows. If it's this then I'm all in. Until then it's just people smushed togeter for no reason doing nothing than what happens with reserved seating. I think I saw a dolphin jump through the air at 53 seconds.

Pick one head and try to follow it the whole video! Good luck. This is GA at a PJ show ladies and gentlemen the way it should be. Love the mass of people that fall at the 1:20 mark on the left. Thats a rock show with GA!!! Excuses.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl6FunZimGQ

I think it was a sand shark!

I don't know why you guys don't like the ga with camping idea. It's not standing amonst your tents watching. There would be an open field in front of the stage. I'm sure if the band had there other bands playing throughout the day, people would be less likely to be squeezed in like sardines once Pearl Jam goes on. Hopefully a lot of people will get wasted by then pass out and the survival of the fittest and soberist wil go into effect.

Camping at "Lemonwheel" 1996 Phish Loring Air Force Base Limestone, ME



And the venue for "The Great Went" 1997 Phish Loring Air Force Base Limestone, ME



And Phish New Years Eve 2000 Big Cypress, FL






In all of these 50,000-80,000 person festivals there is a tent/camping area, and an area for the show.

I went to the The Great Went, Oswego, and Big Cypress.

Had a blast. Now I was in my 20's, wasn't married, and didn't have kids.

Now I'm 38 and this idea appeals a little less to me. But it is totally possible.


I think what this whole argument boils down to is really just an understanding of what Pearl Jam's fan base is.

We (the lucky ones) who were in our teens or 20's when Pearl Jam bust onto the scene got to experience Pearl Jam in GA with the crowd surfing, diving, moving in a mosh style all over the pit.

They were appropriate concert etiquette with the appropriate band at the appropriate time. Fuck, Eddie was stage diving, and crowd surfing, and climbing up the rafters.

He doesn't do that anymore. Just as he has evolved and moved passed that frantic teen angst and reckless abandon, so have the bulk of the 30something, 40something, fans.

Now of course if you find yourself to be 18 at the moment, I'm sure you long for those days. But they aint coming back for Pearl Jam concerts.

I was in Europe. There was GA. The crowd was great, but just like DS says, a GA show now a days isn't much different from a seated show.

Everyone rocks out in their spot, be it with or without a chair.

So sure, if you are willing to wait around from 6am to get up front, you are happy with GA. If you want to be uncomfortable for 10 hours, to have an amazing up front show, that is great. Those opportunities will arise.

But most of us don't want to fight against the assholes that push up front, invade our personal space, and pack us in so tight that you can't see shit.

The 90's are over. Sorry you missed it.

They fucking rocked.

It's just a matter of what you're into. Camping in a huge field amongst thousands (of mostly drunk and/or high people) is my idea of hell, that's all. Those photos made me think "holy fuck, that's awful!!!" (Not the stage part - the mass-camping part. Although I have no interest in going to festivals that are that massive anymore either; I don't actually like crowds all that much, at least not where you can't get away from it if you want to). Ugh, all those people crammed together in this huge open area, many getting fucked up the whole time (not that there's anything wrong with that), no one is showering, and I don't even want to imagine the fucking porta-potty situation. :? But I'm positive that the 1992 - 1999 me would have been there is a millisecond!!

supersonicyears

You guys must have low membership numbers.

mtolan514

Is there really a group of people who say that GA yields "more energy" or something? I really think it's pretty obvious that people want GA because they'll get a better spot, just like YOU (OP) don't want GA because that infringes on your ability to have a great reserved spot. Selfish? Yes. Wrong or immoral? No. I mean, it makes total sense from both perspectives. I'm 20, I missed growing up with PJ shows in the '90s, I know that. I know the old days aren't coming back again. That doesn't change the fact that I'd like to get up closer to see them than my number allows, and I think it's not inherently wrong to think that, as you're suggesting with the "TOUGH BANANAS LIFE AINT FAIR SONNY!" thing you've got going. I'm well aware that "life ain't fair", and I'm also well aware that I don't have an intrinsic right to see Pearl Jam the closest I possibly can. But that doesn't change the fact that I would like to have GA shows to see them as close as I possibly can.

PJ_Soul

mtolan514 wrote:

Is there really a group of people who say that GA yields "more energy" or something? I really think it's pretty obvious that people want GA because they'll get a better spot, just like YOU (OP) don't want GA because that infringes on your ability to have a great reserved spot. Selfish? Yes. Wrong or immoral? No. I mean, it makes total sense from both perspectives. I'm 20, I missed growing up with PJ shows in the '90s, I know that. I know the old days aren't coming back again. That doesn't change the fact that I'd like to get up closer to see them than my number allows, and I think it's not inherently wrong to think that, as you're suggesting with the "TOUGH BANANAS LIFE AINT FAIR SONNY!" thing you've got going. I'm well aware that "life ain't fair", and I'm also well aware that I don't have an intrinsic right to see Pearl Jam the closest I possibly can. But that doesn't change the fact that I would like to have GA shows to see them as close as I possibly can.

It is true for some, but for me and many others, wanting a better spot has nothing to do with preferring GA.

supersonicyears

mtolan514 wrote:

Is there really a group of people who say that GA yields "more energy" or something? I really think it's pretty obvious that people want GA because they'll get a better spot, just like YOU (OP) don't want GA because that infringes on your ability to have a great reserved spot. Selfish? Yes. Wrong or immoral? No. I mean, it makes total sense from both perspectives. I'm 20, I missed growing up with PJ shows in the '90s, I know that. I know the old days aren't coming back again. That doesn't change the fact that I'd like to get up closer to see them than my number allows, and I think it's not inherently wrong to think that, as you're suggesting with the "TOUGH BANANAS LIFE AINT FAIR SONNY!" thing you've got going. I'm well aware that "life ain't fair", and I'm also well aware that I don't have an intrinsic right to see Pearl Jam the closest I possibly can. But that doesn't change the fact that I would like to have GA shows to see them as close as I possibly can.

Pearl Jam Back to the 90's Festival :clap:
With RV hookups and hotel packages for all you wimps that can't handle camping in a tent.

DS1119

mtolan514 wrote:

Is there really a group of people who say that GA yields "more energy" or something? I really think it's pretty obvious that people want GA because they'll get a better spot, just like YOU (OP) don't want GA because that infringes on your ability to have a great reserved spot. Selfish? Yes. Wrong or immoral? No. I mean, it makes total sense from both perspectives. I'm 20, I missed growing up with PJ shows in the '90s, I know that. I know the old days aren't coming back again. That doesn't change the fact that I'd like to get up closer to see them than my number allows, and I think it's not inherently wrong to think that, as you're suggesting with the "TOUGH BANANAS LIFE AINT FAIR SONNY!" thing you've got going. I'm well aware that "life ain't fair", and I'm also well aware that I don't have an intrinsic right to see Pearl Jam the closest I possibly can. But that doesn't change the fact that I would like to have GA shows to see them as close as I possibly can.

Thank you for being honest. :thumbup: I have never hid my feelings. And yes, there are MANY members here who feel GA shows brings more energy which is pretty false except for the fact they may be closer so perhaps they feel more connected with the show. And youre number doesn't exclude you from seeing the show up close. You have a 40% chance of being guaranteed in the first 10 rows if you can score 10c tickets. Probably a better shot than GA actually especially when PJ plays the bigger venues that they do when they actually do tour.

pjl44

DS1119 wrote:

And youre number doesn't exclude you from seeing the show up close. You have a 40% chance of being guaranteed in the first 10 rows if you can score 10c tickets. Probably a better shot than GA actually especially when PJ plays the bigger venues that they do when they actually do tour.

While I agree with your larger point, your math is way off here. The odds of being in the first ten rows with a low member number are single digits (even lower in amphitheaters where the number of seats in a row up close are fewer).

Total seats in rows 1,2,9,10 / Total Ten Club tickets sold for that show

And that's even assuming that every seat in those lottery rows is a ticket going to a Ten Club member and not guests of the band, etc.