Mother glues daughter to wall and beats her

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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    rollings wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    why can't we off cruel nasty evil scumbags?

    the mother was probably just really tired or something. she needs a break. womens are tireds these days.
    it is her neck tattoo that makes her so exhausted.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
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  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    chadwick wrote:
    rollings wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    why can't we off cruel nasty evil scumbags?

    the mother was probably just really tired or something. she needs a break. womens are tireds these days.
    it is her neck tattoo that makes her so exhausted.

    maybe she's tired of it
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i am curious what kinda adhesive this piece of garbage used. said adhesive should be stuck up her frickin ass
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    chadwick wrote:
    i am curious what kinda adhesive this piece of garbage used. said adhesive should be stuck up her frickin ass

    maybe her tatoo made her tired.

    maybe there was an accident with her tatoo that makes people tired.
  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    Eugenics anyone?
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,073
    chadwick wrote:
    i am curious what kinda adhesive this piece of garbage used. said adhesive should be stuck up her frickin ass

    It should be stuck somewhere else to keep her from having more kids!
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ComeToTX wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    i am curious what kinda adhesive this piece of garbage used. said adhesive should be stuck up her frickin ass

    It should be stuck somewhere else to keep her from having more kids!
    well played :thumbup:
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    chadwick wrote:
    why can't we off cruel nasty evil scumbags?

    Because such an opinion is uncultured, unrefined, and unenlightened. Disregard the heinous nature of the crime. It is believed the scumbag, deviant mutant is a person too and is likely someone that needs at least a mild form of compassion. Killing as a form of justice is something 'far below our noble nature' given how grand we are in the universe.

    How does a person come to the point of doing something as obscene as this doosh? For gawds sakes. The pendulum has swung way too far to the side that treats shitbaggers as decently as we do. I'm with you. I'm not a cruel person, but in such cases... I'm not interested in rehabilitation or institutionalization. I'm interested in eradicating such obscenity from the earth.

    A 2 year old no less. I love the lawyers that get completely filthy representing losers such as these. Do they actually believe the arguments they put forth? I golfed with a lawyer (never again) who was defending a woman who burned her house down with her children in it. I asked how he got clean at night. He responded, "Hey. You'd be surprised. She's actually not that bad!" Yah. You're right. I should get to know her before judging her. I mean, outside of killing her kids, she's probably really nice! Geezuz, man.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    it's funny how the Train swings from pro life to kill the bitch...welll not funny at all but interseting to see how emotions can move human direction and choices from case to case, a murderer on death row gets a pass from some here on the train "life w/out parole" and every excuse to back up that choice and money useally playes a part in it(cheaper to keep them locked up) then there are crimes aginst children...that usally ends in "kill the nasty vermin"...

    I'm not saying who is right or wrong just pointing out the human factor in these situations...maybe it's not "guns" or "state sanctioned revenge" that kill or want to kill these people maybe it's good old fashioned human emotion that seems to change from case to case, just my thought on it.

    Godfather.
  • Who Princess
    Who Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    whygohome wrote:
    Eugenics anyone?
    Yeah, we tried that before in some states. It was done very cruelly.

    Who gets to decide these things, like who gets sterilized? How many kids is too many? How unfit is someone as a parent? There are always cases like this one, where it's so heinous that the consequences should seem obvious, but where is the line drawn? Who sets the criteria? Who decides?

    Don't get me wrong, I think this woman should be punished severely. I don't particularly think she deserves to see her children grow up. Her mother wants the woman to get probation, because she's her mom and because she needs help to support the 5 grandkids she now has custody of.

    Which leads us to a whole other area. How does this grandmother take on the burden of raising 5 small kids? Texas has some pretty weird requirements when it comes to public assistance for grandparents raising grandchildren. The other option for the kids is foster care, which is less than desirable. But I guess that's another thread.
    "The stars are all connected to the brain."
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,892
    Who Princess wrote:

    Who gets to decide these things, like who gets sterilized? How many kids is too many? How unfit is someone as a parent?


    I'll throw my hat into the ring.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Lock her up. I'm still against the death penalty, even though some probably deserve to die.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    so far this woman (if we can call her that) has been in jail a few days, right? soon she'll get a toothache or a medical condition requiring medical treatment; maybe her liver or kidney will fail and she'll be in the right place for excellent treatments. maybe she'll need eye care or that darn toothache again will kick in.

    grandma anna (my mom) has zero dental insurance and zero eye care; as a matter of fact neither do i and neither do millions of goodhearted tax paying stand-up well behaved citizens of the united states.

    funny system we have ourselves. not funny as in, :lol: haha a fucking riot of laughter. but funny as in fucking odd as shit and stupid as fuck kinda funny. funny like moronic
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    The problem with many people, included a good amount in this thread, is they are so quick to have a knee jerk emotional reaction to situations such as this. Is it horrible? Of course. Should something like this happen? Of course not. Everyone thinks they should be the authority on telling others how to live their lives but then when that authority is used against them in a way they disagree with they have a problem with it. Why then, are so many so willing to jump on the wagon of eugenics and programs that essentially end up being selective breeding programs? What this lady did is disgusting, but I find these statements in this thread to be equally disgusting.

    People think they can make more and more laws that prevent horrible situtations from occurring but the fact of the matter is, the more overbloated things become, the easier it is for cases like this to slip through the cracks. Even if you don't believe that notion, it must be understood that there is no way to 100% prevent horrible people from doing horrible things.

    More laws are not the answer to this. We already have laws on the books for people that mistreat others and this lady is currently being subjected to them, as she should.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    The problem with many people, included a good amount in this thread, is they are so quick to have a knee jerk emotional reaction to situations such as this. Is it horrible? Of course. Should something like this happen? Of course not. Everyone thinks they should be the authority on telling others how to live their lives but then when that authority is used against them in a way they disagree with they have a problem with it. Why then, are so many so willing to jump on the wagon of eugenics and programs that essentially end up being selective breeding programs? What this lady did is disgusting, but I find these statements in this thread to be equally disgusting.People think they can make more and more laws that prevent horrible situtations from occurring but the fact of the matter is, the more overbloated things become, the easier it is for cases like this to slip through the cracks. Even if you don't believe that notion, it must be understood that there is no way to 100% prevent horrible people from doing horrible things.

    More laws are not the answer to this. We already have laws on the books for people that mistreat others and this lady is currently being subjected to them, as she should.
    equally disgusting = a monsterous mom(if we can refer to her as a mom) glues her child to a wall and beats the child = posting negative comments about said monster on a message board?

    all are equally disgusting in your mind's eye?
    interesting stuff, sludge factory, interesting stuff
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    The problem with many people, included a good amount in this thread, is they are so quick to have a knee jerk emotional reaction to situations such as this. Is it horrible? Of course. Should something like this happen? Of course not. Everyone thinks they should be the authority on telling others how to live their lives but then when that authority is used against them in a way they disagree with they have a problem with it. Why then, are so many so willing to jump on the wagon of eugenics and programs that essentially end up being selective breeding programs? What this lady did is disgusting, but I find these statements in this thread to be equally disgusting.

    People think they can make more and more laws that prevent horrible situtations from occurring but the fact of the matter is, the more overbloated things become, the easier it is for cases like this to slip through the cracks. Even if you don't believe that notion, it must be understood that there is no way to 100% prevent horrible people from doing horrible things.

    More laws are not the answer to this. We already have laws on the books for people that mistreat others and this lady is currently being subjected to them, as she should.

    You find statements in this thread to be equally disgusting as what this lady did? Wow. I guess you don't think much of these sorts of crimes then? I mean, I find comments to the contrary of my belief system bothersome sometimes... but nowhere near as disturbing or 'disgusting' as a physical crime against a child. Given you think so little of these types of crimes- comparatively speaking- I can understand why you classify thoughts in this vein as 'knee-jerk reactions' and attempts to govern way of life: these types of crimes must not affect you the way they do others.

    Given your comparison... it comes as no surprise that you have to ask why so many people are in favour of strict or severe punishments as well as things like 'selective breeding programs'. I'll do my best to enlighten you: essentially... these 'simple folk' feel the punishment should fit the crime. They are particularly repulsed with senseless crimes against children. I guess they need to be enlightened more?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    The problem with many people, included a good amount in this thread, is they are so quick to have a knee jerk emotional reaction to situations such as this. Is it horrible? Of course. Should something like this happen? Of course not. Everyone thinks they should be the authority on telling others how to live their lives but then when that authority is used against them in a way they disagree with they have a problem with it. Why then, are so many so willing to jump on the wagon of eugenics and programs that essentially end up being selective breeding programs? What this lady did is disgusting, but I find these statements in this thread to be equally disgusting.

    People think they can make more and more laws that prevent horrible situtations from occurring but the fact of the matter is, the more overbloated things become, the easier it is for cases like this to slip through the cracks. Even if you don't believe that notion, it must be understood that there is no way to 100% prevent horrible people from doing horrible things.

    More laws are not the answer to this. We already have laws on the books for people that mistreat others and this lady is currently being subjected to them, as she should.

    You find statements in this thread to be equally disgusting as what this lady did? Wow. I guess you don't think much of these sorts of crimes then? I mean, I find comments to the contrary of my belief system bothersome sometimes... but nowhere near as disturbing or 'disgusting' as a physical crime against a child. Given you think so little of these types of crimes- comparatively speaking- I can understand why you classify thoughts in this vein as 'knee-jerk reactions' and attempts to govern way of life: these types of crimes must not affect you the way they do others.

    Given your comparison... it comes as no surprise that you have to ask why so many people are in favour of strict or severe punishments as well as things like 'selective breeding programs'. I'll do my best to enlighten you: essentially... these 'simple folk' feel the punishment should fit the crime. They are particularly repulsed with senseless crimes against children. I guess they need to be enlightened more?

    ...he (Sludge Factory) made a good point...read it carefully and think about it and the past threads on the train especially the many death penalty threads.

    Godfather.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Godfather. wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    The problem with many people, included a good amount in this thread, is they are so quick to have a knee jerk emotional reaction to situations such as this. Is it horrible? Of course. Should something like this happen? Of course not. Everyone thinks they should be the authority on telling others how to live their lives but then when that authority is used against them in a way they disagree with they have a problem with it. Why then, are so many so willing to jump on the wagon of eugenics and programs that essentially end up being selective breeding programs? What this lady did is disgusting, but I find these statements in this thread to be equally disgusting.

    People think they can make more and more laws that prevent horrible situtations from occurring but the fact of the matter is, the more overbloated things become, the easier it is for cases like this to slip through the cracks. Even if you don't believe that notion, it must be understood that there is no way to 100% prevent horrible people from doing horrible things.

    More laws are not the answer to this. We already have laws on the books for people that mistreat others and this lady is currently being subjected to them, as she should.

    You find statements in this thread to be equally disgusting as what this lady did? Wow. I guess you don't think much of these sorts of crimes then? I mean, I find comments to the contrary of my belief system bothersome sometimes... but nowhere near as disturbing or 'disgusting' as a physical crime against a child. Given you think so little of these types of crimes- comparatively speaking- I can understand why you classify thoughts in this vein as 'knee-jerk reactions' and attempts to govern way of life: these types of crimes must not affect you the way they do others.

    Given your comparison... it comes as no surprise that you have to ask why so many people are in favour of strict or severe punishments as well as things like 'selective breeding programs'. I'll do my best to enlighten you: essentially... these 'simple folk' feel the punishment should fit the crime. They are particularly repulsed with senseless crimes against children. I guess they need to be enlightened more?

    ...he (Sludge Factory) made a good point...read it carefully and think about it and the past threads on the train especially the many death penalty threads.

    Godfather.

    Well, you actually do have to read it carefully to acknowledge a fair and reasonable point regarding the development of new laws to try and govern behaviour; however, I never took the eugenics comments very seriously thinking they were made tongue in cheek. It's not realistic to expect the inception of such a radical concept any time soon in N. America.

    I took exception to the exaggerated comparison of these comments to a brutal crime involving a child.

    What also had me take exception to the comment was the inference that all those that spoke for more serious punishment were merely doing so because they were emotional at the moment they posted their words. I think it would have been more fair to say, "I understand the mounting frustration for those that are dissatisfied with our current punitive practices." Most of us have put a little more thought into matters such as these before just getting mad and spewing venom after reading a disturbing bit of news.

    You are right about another thing... this topic has been well-discussed and I'm okay with the polarity that might exist. I stand by my assertions though and with every new shitty thing I read... I remain steadfast in my beliefs. I don't want the violent crimes, but if they happen... well... whether right or wrong, I know how I want the extreme situations dealt with.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    edited October 2012
    Godfather. wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    The problem with many people, included a good amount in this thread, is they are so quick to have a knee jerk emotional reaction to situations such as this. Is it horrible? Of course. Should something like this happen? Of course not. Everyone thinks they should be the authority on telling others how to live their lives but then when that authority is used against them in a way they disagree with they have a problem with it. Why then, are so many so willing to jump on the wagon of eugenics and programs that essentially end up being selective breeding programs? What this lady did is disgusting, but I find these statements in this thread to be equally disgusting.

    People think they can make more and more laws that prevent horrible situtations from occurring but the fact of the matter is, the more overbloated things become, the easier it is for cases like this to slip through the cracks. Even if you don't believe that notion, it must be understood that there is no way to 100% prevent horrible people from doing horrible things.

    More laws are not the answer to this. We already have laws on the books for people that mistreat others and this lady is currently being subjected to them, as she should.

    You find statements in this thread to be equally disgusting as what this lady did? Wow. I guess you don't think much of these sorts of crimes then? I mean, I find comments to the contrary of my belief system bothersome sometimes... but nowhere near as disturbing or 'disgusting' as a physical crime against a child. Given you think so little of these types of crimes- comparatively speaking- I can understand why you classify thoughts in this vein as 'knee-jerk reactions' and attempts to govern way of life: these types of crimes must not affect you the way they do others.

    Given your comparison... it comes as no surprise that you have to ask why so many people are in favour of strict or severe punishments as well as things like 'selective breeding programs'. I'll do my best to enlighten you: essentially... these 'simple folk' feel the punishment should fit the crime. They are particularly repulsed with senseless crimes against children. I guess they need to be enlightened more?

    ...he (Sludge Factory) made a good point...read it carefully and think about it and the past threads on the train especially the many death penalty threads.

    Godfather.

    Thank you, Godfather. I think aggression is aggression and sometimes it doesn't come in the form of physical violence. Whether it be a mother who horrifically abuses her child or a panel of individuals who think they can abuse the rights of a couple by telling them they aren't qualified enough to have a child of their own.

    Thirty Bills Unpaid. I take offense to your attempt at putting words in my mouth in that I supposedly "think so little of this crimes". My beliefs are quite contrary. Did you not see the part where I said we already have laws against this kind of abuse and that this lady is now going to be subjected to them?

    Your attempt to enlighten me falls flat because you actually do not understand what I am saying. If these "simple folk" (your words not mine) feel the punishment should fit the crime, how does clamoring for eugenics and deciding who is fit to have a child do anything more to someone who has already committed this type of abuse?
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  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:


    Well, you actually do have to read it carefully to acknowledge a fair and reasonable point regarding the development of new laws to try and govern behaviour; however, I never took the eugenics comments very seriously thinking they were made tongue in cheek. It's not realistic to expect the inception of such a radical concept any time soon in N. America.

    I took exception to the exaggerated comparison of these comments to a brutal crime involving a child.

    What also had me take exception to the comment was the inference that all those that spoke for more serious punishment were merely doing so because they were emotional at the moment they posted their words. I think it would have been more fair to say, "I understand the mounting frustration for those that are dissatisfied with our current punitive practices." Most of us have put a little more thought into matters such as these before just getting mad and spewing venom after reading a disturbing bit of news.

    You are right about another thing... this topic has been well-discussed and I'm okay with the polarity that might exist. I stand by my assertions though and with every new shitty thing I read... I remain steadfast in my beliefs. I don't want the violent crimes, but if they happen... well... whether right or wrong, I know how I want the extreme situations dealt with.

    And where did I say anything about more severe punishments for crimes of this sort? I said more laws wouldn't help, I didn't say anything about changing the penalties for the laws that already exist.

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