Lock her up. I'm still against the death penalty, even though some probably deserve to die.
Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
so far this woman (if we can call her that) has been in jail a few days, right? soon she'll get a toothache or a medical condition requiring medical treatment; maybe her liver or kidney will fail and she'll be in the right place for excellent treatments. maybe she'll need eye care or that darn toothache again will kick in.
grandma anna (my mom) has zero dental insurance and zero eye care; as a matter of fact neither do i and neither do millions of goodhearted tax paying stand-up well behaved citizens of the united states.
funny system we have ourselves. not funny as in, haha a fucking riot of laughter. but funny as in fucking odd as shit and stupid as fuck kinda funny. funny like moronic
The problem with many people, included a good amount in this thread, is they are so quick to have a knee jerk emotional reaction to situations such as this. Is it horrible? Of course. Should something like this happen? Of course not. Everyone thinks they should be the authority on telling others how to live their lives but then when that authority is used against them in a way they disagree with they have a problem with it. Why then, are so many so willing to jump on the wagon of eugenics and programs that essentially end up being selective breeding programs? What this lady did is disgusting, but I find these statements in this thread to be equally disgusting.
People think they can make more and more laws that prevent horrible situtations from occurring but the fact of the matter is, the more overbloated things become, the easier it is for cases like this to slip through the cracks. Even if you don't believe that notion, it must be understood that there is no way to 100% prevent horrible people from doing horrible things.
More laws are not the answer to this. We already have laws on the books for people that mistreat others and this lady is currently being subjected to them, as she should.
The problem with many people, included a good amount in this thread, is they are so quick to have a knee jerk emotional reaction to situations such as this. Is it horrible? Of course. Should something like this happen? Of course not. Everyone thinks they should be the authority on telling others how to live their lives but then when that authority is used against them in a way they disagree with they have a problem with it. Why then, are so many so willing to jump on the wagon of eugenics and programs that essentially end up being selective breeding programs? What this lady did is disgusting, but I find these statements in this thread to be equally disgusting.People think they can make more and more laws that prevent horrible situtations from occurring but the fact of the matter is, the more overbloated things become, the easier it is for cases like this to slip through the cracks. Even if you don't believe that notion, it must be understood that there is no way to 100% prevent horrible people from doing horrible things.
More laws are not the answer to this. We already have laws on the books for people that mistreat others and this lady is currently being subjected to them, as she should.
equally disgusting = a monsterous mom(if we can refer to her as a mom) glues her child to a wall and beats the child = posting negative comments about said monster on a message board?
all are equally disgusting in your mind's eye?
interesting stuff, sludge factory, interesting stuff
The problem with many people, included a good amount in this thread, is they are so quick to have a knee jerk emotional reaction to situations such as this. Is it horrible? Of course. Should something like this happen? Of course not. Everyone thinks they should be the authority on telling others how to live their lives but then when that authority is used against them in a way they disagree with they have a problem with it. Why then, are so many so willing to jump on the wagon of eugenics and programs that essentially end up being selective breeding programs? What this lady did is disgusting, but I find these statements in this thread to be equally disgusting.
People think they can make more and more laws that prevent horrible situtations from occurring but the fact of the matter is, the more overbloated things become, the easier it is for cases like this to slip through the cracks. Even if you don't believe that notion, it must be understood that there is no way to 100% prevent horrible people from doing horrible things.
More laws are not the answer to this. We already have laws on the books for people that mistreat others and this lady is currently being subjected to them, as she should.
You find statements in this thread to be equally disgusting as what this lady did? Wow. I guess you don't think much of these sorts of crimes then? I mean, I find comments to the contrary of my belief system bothersome sometimes... but nowhere near as disturbing or 'disgusting' as a physical crime against a child. Given you think so little of these types of crimes- comparatively speaking- I can understand why you classify thoughts in this vein as 'knee-jerk reactions' and attempts to govern way of life: these types of crimes must not affect you the way they do others.
Given your comparison... it comes as no surprise that you have to ask why so many people are in favour of strict or severe punishments as well as things like 'selective breeding programs'. I'll do my best to enlighten you: essentially... these 'simple folk' feel the punishment should fit the crime. They are particularly repulsed with senseless crimes against children. I guess they need to be enlightened more?
The problem with many people, included a good amount in this thread, is they are so quick to have a knee jerk emotional reaction to situations such as this. Is it horrible? Of course. Should something like this happen? Of course not. Everyone thinks they should be the authority on telling others how to live their lives but then when that authority is used against them in a way they disagree with they have a problem with it. Why then, are so many so willing to jump on the wagon of eugenics and programs that essentially end up being selective breeding programs? What this lady did is disgusting, but I find these statements in this thread to be equally disgusting.
People think they can make more and more laws that prevent horrible situtations from occurring but the fact of the matter is, the more overbloated things become, the easier it is for cases like this to slip through the cracks. Even if you don't believe that notion, it must be understood that there is no way to 100% prevent horrible people from doing horrible things.
More laws are not the answer to this. We already have laws on the books for people that mistreat others and this lady is currently being subjected to them, as she should.
You find statements in this thread to be equally disgusting as what this lady did? Wow. I guess you don't think much of these sorts of crimes then? I mean, I find comments to the contrary of my belief system bothersome sometimes... but nowhere near as disturbing or 'disgusting' as a physical crime against a child. Given you think so little of these types of crimes- comparatively speaking- I can understand why you classify thoughts in this vein as 'knee-jerk reactions' and attempts to govern way of life: these types of crimes must not affect you the way they do others.
Given your comparison... it comes as no surprise that you have to ask why so many people are in favour of strict or severe punishments as well as things like 'selective breeding programs'. I'll do my best to enlighten you: essentially... these 'simple folk' feel the punishment should fit the crime. They are particularly repulsed with senseless crimes against children. I guess they need to be enlightened more?
...he (Sludge Factory) made a good point...read it carefully and think about it and the past threads on the train especially the many death penalty threads.
The problem with many people, included a good amount in this thread, is they are so quick to have a knee jerk emotional reaction to situations such as this. Is it horrible? Of course. Should something like this happen? Of course not. Everyone thinks they should be the authority on telling others how to live their lives but then when that authority is used against them in a way they disagree with they have a problem with it. Why then, are so many so willing to jump on the wagon of eugenics and programs that essentially end up being selective breeding programs? What this lady did is disgusting, but I find these statements in this thread to be equally disgusting.
People think they can make more and more laws that prevent horrible situtations from occurring but the fact of the matter is, the more overbloated things become, the easier it is for cases like this to slip through the cracks. Even if you don't believe that notion, it must be understood that there is no way to 100% prevent horrible people from doing horrible things.
More laws are not the answer to this. We already have laws on the books for people that mistreat others and this lady is currently being subjected to them, as she should.
You find statements in this thread to be equally disgusting as what this lady did? Wow. I guess you don't think much of these sorts of crimes then? I mean, I find comments to the contrary of my belief system bothersome sometimes... but nowhere near as disturbing or 'disgusting' as a physical crime against a child. Given you think so little of these types of crimes- comparatively speaking- I can understand why you classify thoughts in this vein as 'knee-jerk reactions' and attempts to govern way of life: these types of crimes must not affect you the way they do others.
Given your comparison... it comes as no surprise that you have to ask why so many people are in favour of strict or severe punishments as well as things like 'selective breeding programs'. I'll do my best to enlighten you: essentially... these 'simple folk' feel the punishment should fit the crime. They are particularly repulsed with senseless crimes against children. I guess they need to be enlightened more?
...he (Sludge Factory) made a good point...read it carefully and think about it and the past threads on the train especially the many death penalty threads.
Godfather.
Well, you actually do have to read it carefully to acknowledge a fair and reasonable point regarding the development of new laws to try and govern behaviour; however, I never took the eugenics comments very seriously thinking they were made tongue in cheek. It's not realistic to expect the inception of such a radical concept any time soon in N. America.
I took exception to the exaggerated comparison of these comments to a brutal crime involving a child.
What also had me take exception to the comment was the inference that all those that spoke for more serious punishment were merely doing so because they were emotional at the moment they posted their words. I think it would have been more fair to say, "I understand the mounting frustration for those that are dissatisfied with our current punitive practices." Most of us have put a little more thought into matters such as these before just getting mad and spewing venom after reading a disturbing bit of news.
You are right about another thing... this topic has been well-discussed and I'm okay with the polarity that might exist. I stand by my assertions though and with every new shitty thing I read... I remain steadfast in my beliefs. I don't want the violent crimes, but if they happen... well... whether right or wrong, I know how I want the extreme situations dealt with.
The problem with many people, included a good amount in this thread, is they are so quick to have a knee jerk emotional reaction to situations such as this. Is it horrible? Of course. Should something like this happen? Of course not. Everyone thinks they should be the authority on telling others how to live their lives but then when that authority is used against them in a way they disagree with they have a problem with it. Why then, are so many so willing to jump on the wagon of eugenics and programs that essentially end up being selective breeding programs? What this lady did is disgusting, but I find these statements in this thread to be equally disgusting.
People think they can make more and more laws that prevent horrible situtations from occurring but the fact of the matter is, the more overbloated things become, the easier it is for cases like this to slip through the cracks. Even if you don't believe that notion, it must be understood that there is no way to 100% prevent horrible people from doing horrible things.
More laws are not the answer to this. We already have laws on the books for people that mistreat others and this lady is currently being subjected to them, as she should.
You find statements in this thread to be equally disgusting as what this lady did? Wow. I guess you don't think much of these sorts of crimes then? I mean, I find comments to the contrary of my belief system bothersome sometimes... but nowhere near as disturbing or 'disgusting' as a physical crime against a child. Given you think so little of these types of crimes- comparatively speaking- I can understand why you classify thoughts in this vein as 'knee-jerk reactions' and attempts to govern way of life: these types of crimes must not affect you the way they do others.
Given your comparison... it comes as no surprise that you have to ask why so many people are in favour of strict or severe punishments as well as things like 'selective breeding programs'. I'll do my best to enlighten you: essentially... these 'simple folk' feel the punishment should fit the crime. They are particularly repulsed with senseless crimes against children. I guess they need to be enlightened more?
...he (Sludge Factory) made a good point...read it carefully and think about it and the past threads on the train especially the many death penalty threads.
Godfather.
Thank you, Godfather. I think aggression is aggression and sometimes it doesn't come in the form of physical violence. Whether it be a mother who horrifically abuses her child or a panel of individuals who think they can abuse the rights of a couple by telling them they aren't qualified enough to have a child of their own.
Thirty Bills Unpaid. I take offense to your attempt at putting words in my mouth in that I supposedly "think so little of this crimes". My beliefs are quite contrary. Did you not see the part where I said we already have laws against this kind of abuse and that this lady is now going to be subjected to them?
Your attempt to enlighten me falls flat because you actually do not understand what I am saying. If these "simple folk" (your words not mine) feel the punishment should fit the crime, how does clamoring for eugenics and deciding who is fit to have a child do anything more to someone who has already committed this type of abuse?
Well, you actually do have to read it carefully to acknowledge a fair and reasonable point regarding the development of new laws to try and govern behaviour; however, I never took the eugenics comments very seriously thinking they were made tongue in cheek. It's not realistic to expect the inception of such a radical concept any time soon in N. America.
I took exception to the exaggerated comparison of these comments to a brutal crime involving a child.
What also had me take exception to the comment was the inference that all those that spoke for more serious punishment were merely doing so because they were emotional at the moment they posted their words. I think it would have been more fair to say, "I understand the mounting frustration for those that are dissatisfied with our current punitive practices." Most of us have put a little more thought into matters such as these before just getting mad and spewing venom after reading a disturbing bit of news.
You are right about another thing... this topic has been well-discussed and I'm okay with the polarity that might exist. I stand by my assertions though and with every new shitty thing I read... I remain steadfast in my beliefs. I don't want the violent crimes, but if they happen... well... whether right or wrong, I know how I want the extreme situations dealt with.
And where did I say anything about more severe punishments for crimes of this sort? I said more laws wouldn't help, I didn't say anything about changing the penalties for the laws that already exist.
Well, you actually do have to read it carefully to acknowledge a fair and reasonable point regarding the development of new laws to try and govern behaviour; however, I never took the eugenics comments very seriously thinking they were made tongue in cheek. It's not realistic to expect the inception of such a radical concept any time soon in N. America.
I took exception to the exaggerated comparison of these comments to a brutal crime involving a child.
What also had me take exception to the comment was the inference that all those that spoke for more serious punishment were merely doing so because they were emotional at the moment they posted their words. I think it would have been more fair to say, "I understand the mounting frustration for those that are dissatisfied with our current punitive practices." Most of us have put a little more thought into matters such as these before just getting mad and spewing venom after reading a disturbing bit of news.
You are right about another thing... this topic has been well-discussed and I'm okay with the polarity that might exist. I stand by my assertions though and with every new shitty thing I read... I remain steadfast in my beliefs. I don't want the violent crimes, but if they happen... well... whether right or wrong, I know how I want the extreme situations dealt with.
And where did I say anything about more severe punishments for crimes of this sort? I said more laws wouldn't help, I didn't say anything about changing the penalties for the laws that already exist.
Did you read my response to Godfather?
I got the point you made about laws and their ineffectiveness. After re-reading my post, I should have made that more clear, but to be more concise... good point. To some end... I tend to agree with it.
I did mention that it was placed among some other things that had me take exception to your passage. I wasn't as interested in acknowledging your position as I was discussing the the other things I have already alluded to. In summary again... I just didn't like the subtle poke you took at my values with the 'disgusting' comparison and the 'emotional knee-jerk reactions' that tended to make my (and other's) reflections on the subject seem somewhat ill-conceived.
Well, you actually do have to read it carefully to acknowledge a fair and reasonable point regarding the development of new laws to try and govern behaviour; however, I never took the eugenics comments very seriously thinking they were made tongue in cheek. It's not realistic to expect the inception of such a radical concept any time soon in N. America.
I took exception to the exaggerated comparison of these comments to a brutal crime involving a child.
What also had me take exception to the comment was the inference that all those that spoke for more serious punishment were merely doing so because they were emotional at the moment they posted their words. I think it would have been more fair to say, "I understand the mounting frustration for those that are dissatisfied with our current punitive practices." Most of us have put a little more thought into matters such as these before just getting mad and spewing venom after reading a disturbing bit of news.
You are right about another thing... this topic has been well-discussed and I'm okay with the polarity that might exist. I stand by my assertions though and with every new shitty thing I read... I remain steadfast in my beliefs. I don't want the violent crimes, but if they happen... well... whether right or wrong, I know how I want the extreme situations dealt with.
And where did I say anything about more severe punishments for crimes of this sort? I said more laws wouldn't help, I didn't say anything about changing the penalties for the laws that already exist.
Did you read my response to Godfather?
I got the point you made about laws and their ineffectiveness. After re-reading my post, I should have made that more clear, but to be more concise... good point. To some end... I tend to agree with it.
I did mention that it was placed among some other things that had me take exception to your passage. I wasn't as interested in acknowledging your position as I was discussing the the other things I have already alluded to. In summary again... I just didn't like the subtle poke you took at my values with the 'disgusting' comparison and the 'emotional knee-jerk reactions' that tended to make my (and other's) reflections on the subject seem somewhat ill-conceived.
I hope we can leave it at that.
Yeah, I did read it. Aside from the part where you show you understood my point, I gathered that you took exception to an inference on my part that was not actually there. It seems to me that you believed I was inferring that those who thought punishment should be more severe for the laws that already exist were ridiculous for thinking so which wasn't what I was saying at all. I was just trying to point out that more laws (when we already have ones that cover this), eugenics, and clamoring for some sort of overreaching process that would tell others if they are a fit parent or not is ridiculous.
If I am misinterpreting things when you said I was inferring things in regards to the severity of the punishment, I apologize for that.
so far this woman (if we can call her that) has been in jail a few days, right? soon she'll get a toothache or a medical condition requiring medical treatment; maybe her liver or kidney will fail and she'll be in the right place for excellent treatments. maybe she'll need eye care or that darn toothache again will kick in.
grandma anna (my mom) has zero dental insurance and zero eye care; as a matter of fact neither do i and neither do millions of goodhearted tax paying stand-up well behaved citizens of the united states.
funny system we have ourselves. not funny as in, haha a fucking riot of laughter. but funny as in fucking odd as shit and stupid as fuck kinda funny. funny like moronic
you are such a liar!! :fp: :fp: You? well behaved? :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: hahahahahaha
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I'll throw my hat into the ring.
grandma anna (my mom) has zero dental insurance and zero eye care; as a matter of fact neither do i and neither do millions of goodhearted tax paying stand-up well behaved citizens of the united states.
funny system we have ourselves. not funny as in,
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
People think they can make more and more laws that prevent horrible situtations from occurring but the fact of the matter is, the more overbloated things become, the easier it is for cases like this to slip through the cracks. Even if you don't believe that notion, it must be understood that there is no way to 100% prevent horrible people from doing horrible things.
More laws are not the answer to this. We already have laws on the books for people that mistreat others and this lady is currently being subjected to them, as she should.
all are equally disgusting in your mind's eye?
interesting stuff, sludge factory, interesting stuff
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
You find statements in this thread to be equally disgusting as what this lady did? Wow. I guess you don't think much of these sorts of crimes then? I mean, I find comments to the contrary of my belief system bothersome sometimes... but nowhere near as disturbing or 'disgusting' as a physical crime against a child. Given you think so little of these types of crimes- comparatively speaking- I can understand why you classify thoughts in this vein as 'knee-jerk reactions' and attempts to govern way of life: these types of crimes must not affect you the way they do others.
Given your comparison... it comes as no surprise that you have to ask why so many people are in favour of strict or severe punishments as well as things like 'selective breeding programs'. I'll do my best to enlighten you: essentially... these 'simple folk' feel the punishment should fit the crime. They are particularly repulsed with senseless crimes against children. I guess they need to be enlightened more?
...he (Sludge Factory) made a good point...read it carefully and think about it and the past threads on the train especially the many death penalty threads.
Godfather.
Well, you actually do have to read it carefully to acknowledge a fair and reasonable point regarding the development of new laws to try and govern behaviour; however, I never took the eugenics comments very seriously thinking they were made tongue in cheek. It's not realistic to expect the inception of such a radical concept any time soon in N. America.
I took exception to the exaggerated comparison of these comments to a brutal crime involving a child.
What also had me take exception to the comment was the inference that all those that spoke for more serious punishment were merely doing so because they were emotional at the moment they posted their words. I think it would have been more fair to say, "I understand the mounting frustration for those that are dissatisfied with our current punitive practices." Most of us have put a little more thought into matters such as these before just getting mad and spewing venom after reading a disturbing bit of news.
You are right about another thing... this topic has been well-discussed and I'm okay with the polarity that might exist. I stand by my assertions though and with every new shitty thing I read... I remain steadfast in my beliefs. I don't want the violent crimes, but if they happen... well... whether right or wrong, I know how I want the extreme situations dealt with.
Thank you, Godfather. I think aggression is aggression and sometimes it doesn't come in the form of physical violence. Whether it be a mother who horrifically abuses her child or a panel of individuals who think they can abuse the rights of a couple by telling them they aren't qualified enough to have a child of their own.
Thirty Bills Unpaid. I take offense to your attempt at putting words in my mouth in that I supposedly "think so little of this crimes". My beliefs are quite contrary. Did you not see the part where I said we already have laws against this kind of abuse and that this lady is now going to be subjected to them?
Your attempt to enlighten me falls flat because you actually do not understand what I am saying. If these "simple folk" (your words not mine) feel the punishment should fit the crime, how does clamoring for eugenics and deciding who is fit to have a child do anything more to someone who has already committed this type of abuse?
And where did I say anything about more severe punishments for crimes of this sort? I said more laws wouldn't help, I didn't say anything about changing the penalties for the laws that already exist.
Did you read my response to Godfather?
I got the point you made about laws and their ineffectiveness. After re-reading my post, I should have made that more clear, but to be more concise... good point. To some end... I tend to agree with it.
I did mention that it was placed among some other things that had me take exception to your passage. I wasn't as interested in acknowledging your position as I was discussing the the other things I have already alluded to. In summary again... I just didn't like the subtle poke you took at my values with the 'disgusting' comparison and the 'emotional knee-jerk reactions' that tended to make my (and other's) reflections on the subject seem somewhat ill-conceived.
I hope we can leave it at that.
Yeah, I did read it. Aside from the part where you show you understood my point, I gathered that you took exception to an inference on my part that was not actually there. It seems to me that you believed I was inferring that those who thought punishment should be more severe for the laws that already exist were ridiculous for thinking so which wasn't what I was saying at all. I was just trying to point out that more laws (when we already have ones that cover this), eugenics, and clamoring for some sort of overreaching process that would tell others if they are a fit parent or not is ridiculous.
If I am misinterpreting things when you said I was inferring things in regards to the severity of the punishment, I apologize for that.
http://news.yahoo.com/mom-gets-99-years-prison-gluing-tots-hands-160458042.html
poor kids....
The higher the tattoo on the body, the more dangerous the person, such as the prison gang members you see on Lock Up with tats on their scalps.
The lower the tattoo, the more gentle the person, such as an innocent young girl with a butterfly on her ankle.
funny stuff right there chadders.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14