Iran Sanctions Causing Food Insecurity & Mass Suffering

riotgrl

Cosmo wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Fact Check -
U.S. Military spending is 700 billion for fiscal 2012. Divide that by 365 days and you get $1,780,821,917.00 spent per day by the Pentagon.
$450,000,000.00 per year to fund PBS comes to about 25% of that $1,780,821,917.00 per day expense or about 6 hours of Defense spending.
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Source: http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/ ... y-spending

If you want to skew the numbers to justify large expenditures on the entire defense budget then your numbers will certainly justify your point of view. However, my main point was the reason our budget is so large for defense (and the trillion dollars I quoted includes more than just military spending but also other DoD departments, Pentagon, etc) because we are NOT defending our nation against any imminent attack but rather trying to retain our status as economic superpower.

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Actually... the numbers I have provided support your arguement that cutting the spending on PBS is almost nothing when looked at in the big picture and compare to Defense spending alone.
1 year of what is spent on PBS... is spent every 6 HOURS by the Pentagon.
In other words... cutting PBS out entirely will do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.

In numeric terms we can understand...
Let's say you are spending $6,500.00 a year on your car. That amount represents the Defense budget.
You also spend $4.50 on Avocados each year. This represents the same amount (in relative terms) as PBS is getting.
Romney is saying... you will have a lower annual debt... if you eliminate your annual avacado consumption.
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That is a true fact... your debt per year would only be $6500.00 per year... instead of $6504.50 per year.
Only an idiot would think that would make a significant impact on yuor financial health.
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In other words... I agree with your point.

Gotcha! Math is not my strong suit :fp:

Byrnzie

pandora wrote:

"Byrnzie' wrote:

Did you not read the above article? The sanctions aren't hurting the Iranian leadership. The sanctions are hurting 75 Million Iranian civilians. Iran isn't imposing sanctions on the Iranian people, the U.S is.

Of course not don't you get that that is the Iranian's governments fault?
and they do not care enough about their people to protect them by complying, compromising,
and negotiating in the world arena.

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Complying, compromising, and negotiating in the World arena? Is that what Israel does? Why aren't we imposing sanctions on Israel for failing to comply with international law? Why aren't we causing the Israeli people to suffer as a result of the actions of their government?

Did you read the above article? Or was your "Of course not" your answer to that question?

Byrnzie

pandora wrote:

and I'm really glad I'm not a war monger for more than the obvious reason
if there are any on the board beware

'If there are any on the board'? Are you serious?

Byrnzie

riotgrl wrote:

It is not feasible to think the US can continue to police the rest of the world.

America isn't the World's policeman. America is the bully of the World. Police are ostensibly supposed to maintain order and the rule of law. America's actions in the World are the complete opposite.

riotgrl

Byrnzie wrote:

riotgrl wrote:

It is not feasible to think the US can continue to police the rest of the world.

America isn't the World's policeman. America is the bully of the World. Police are ostensibly supposed to maintain order and the rule of law. America's actions in the World are the complete opposite.

I agree about the bully aspect; however, I think many Americans view our actions as just and in the name of securing or procuring freedom for others. The larger question still remains: why do we continue to feel the need to impose sanctions and exert our dominance over other countries? What do we think will be gained by continuing to demonstrate our superior military force and economic strength? What else do we need? I don't think we need to remain THE superpower in order to retain our standing in the world. In fact, I wonder if we couldn't benefit from a shared responsibility with other nations.

pandora

Byrnzie wrote:

pandora wrote:

"Byrnzie' wrote:

Did you not read the above article? The sanctions aren't hurting the Iranian leadership. The sanctions are hurting 75 Million Iranian civilians. Iran isn't imposing sanctions on the Iranian people, the U.S is.

Of course not don't you get that that is the Iranian's governments fault?
and they do not care enough about their people to protect them by complying, compromising,
and negotiating in the world arena.

Complying, compromising, and negotiating in the World arena? Is that what Israel does? Why aren't we imposing sanctions on Israel for failing to comply with international law? Why aren't we causing the Israeli people to suffer as a result of the actions of their government?

Did you read the above article? Or was your "Of course not" your answer to that question?[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
Yes dear I read it and I understand the situation, like some here I
believe it is Iran's governments job to protect their people. How do they do that?
By not pissing off the rest of the world.

Hey you as well as I know why we have the relationship we do with Israel,
so why ask questions you know the answers too?

I know why, you don't need to answer that...
I do that too, ask questions I know the answer to.

pandora

Byrnzie wrote:

pandora wrote:

and I'm really glad I'm not a war monger for more than the obvious reason
if there are any on the board beware

'If there are any on the board'? Are you serious?

actually no I wasn't serious is was a warning for the brow beating coming their way
if they are, the wink usually means lighten it up.

pandora

Drowned Out wrote:

pandora wrote:

No that is how you took the posts.... negative.
They were simple questions on providing for our thousands of service people returning home.
They were legitimate questions and concerns. I was not saying they should stay put
so yes I accept the apology ...
and I'm really glad I'm not a war monger for more than the obvious reason
if there are any on the board beware

sigh....I try to diffuse the discussion by apologizing if I got the meaning of your inference wrong, and you have to point out that my comprehension is too poor to gauge your tone.
You said that they would be homeless and hungry if we brought them home. That's not negative?
Progress is made when both sides can give a little...I did. But you keep provoking while playing victim. whatever, I'm done with this.

Not true I was happy to forgive your overly insulting jump to conclusion.
Obviously your passion brought that on, I understand and admire that.
I thought the apology was great especially since you did not put a 'but' at the end of it ,
well done and thank you for that.

I think it was a realistic question, not a negative one. Obviously I am not alone,
many are concerned with returning vets and an already historic unemployment rate.
Many are concerned with our homeless and hungry and adding to the rolls.

I'm not sure if you read my post about how many vets may feel when they return
to a weekly entitlement check after being heroes. They are proud patriotic people
I want them to not be discarded, I want them to be appreciated.

Godfather.

I stoped following this thread but this morning I was wondering why did the US put these sanctions in place to start with ?

Godfather.

Godfather.

VIENNA - A drawing based on information from inside an Iranian military site shows an explosives containment chamber of the type needed for nuclear arms-related tests -- tests that U.N. inspectors suspect Tehran has conducted at the site. Iran denies such testing and has neither confirmed nor denied the existence of such a chamber.

The computer-generated drawing was provided to the Associated Press by an official of a country tracking Iran's nuclear program who said it proves the structure exists, despite Tehran's refusal to acknowledge it.

That official said the image is based on information from a person who had seen the chamber at the Parchin military site, adding that going into detail would endanger the life of that informant.

The official comes from an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) member country that is severely critical of Iran's assertions that its nuclear activities are peaceful and asserts they are a springboard for making atomic arms.

http://www.startribune.com/world/151319025.html?refer=y


found this.

Godfather.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

VIENNA - A drawing based on information from inside an Iranian military site shows an explosives containment chamber of the type needed for nuclear arms-related tests -- tests that U.N. inspectors suspect Tehran has conducted at the site. Iran denies such testing and has neither confirmed nor denied the existence of such a chamber.

The computer-generated drawing was provided to the Associated Press by an official of a country tracking Iran's nuclear program who said it proves the structure exists, despite Tehran's refusal to acknowledge it.

That official said the image is based on information from a person who had seen the chamber at the Parchin military site, adding that going into detail would endanger the life of that informant.

The official comes from an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) member country that is severely critical of Iran's assertions that its nuclear activities are peaceful and asserts they are a springboard for making atomic arms.

http://www.startribune.com/world/151319025.html?refer=y


found this.

Godfather.

2003 was how long ago? 9 years. Incredible how little we've learned since 'we' were duped by those lying, warmongering cocksuckers back then.

I remember Colin Powell trying to convince us that an open-backed truck 'could' have been used to transport WMD's. It was so ludicrous I felt embarrassed for all the heads of State at the U.N Security Council meeting who were being forced to sit and listen to his desperate gibberish.

And here we are again.

JOEJOEJOE

pandora wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

pandora wrote:

"Byrnzie' wrote:

Did you not read the above article? The sanctions aren't hurting the Iranian leadership. The sanctions are hurting 75 Million Iranian civilians. Iran isn't imposing sanctions on the Iranian people, the U.S is.

Of course not don't you get that that is the Iranian's governments fault?
and they do not care enough about their people to protect them by complying, compromising,
and negotiating in the world arena.

Complying, compromising, and negotiating in the World arena? Is that what Israel does? Why aren't we imposing sanctions on Israel for failing to comply with international law? Why aren't we causing the Israeli people to suffer as a result of the actions of their government?

Did you read the above article? Or was your "Of course not" your answer to that question?

[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]
Yes dear I read it and I understand the situation, like some here I
believe it is Iran's governments job to protect their people. How do they do that?
By not pissing off the rest of the world.

Hey you as well as I know why we have the relationship we do with Israel,
so why ask questions you know the answers too?

I know why, you don't need to answer that...
I do that too, ask questions I know the answer to.[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

Inform the uninformed.....why do we have the relationship we do with Israel?

Byrnzie

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Inform the uninformed.....why do we have the relationship we do with Israel?

She says she already knows.

But here ya go: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=193784&start=45#p4558221