So what would be your response if moonpig was American?
We wouldn't be having quite the same conversation,
what we were discussing was the comparison of a small country to a large country
and their roles in the world arena ... this all originating in military size, cost,
defense needs etc.
If moonpig was a US citizen I could presume military downsizing and
cuts would be in the discussion. Perhaps still criticism of military movements.
I agree with budget cuts across the board, all the same including military.
But we must have jobs for returning vets or the money pickle continues.
I also believe one basic role of the federal Government is defending,
protecting it's citizens.
Not so keen on our presence all over the world though along with our money bribes,
our funny money bribes. :fp:
So what would be your response if moonpig was American?
Who knows, maybe he is. Or he may have dual citizenship. Wouldn't be the first American living abroad posting in this forum, would it?
Once bitten, twice shy? Doesn't seem to apply here.
Though I do think Moonpig is Irish, what is the relevance of this? Has one no valid arguments but xenophobic retorts?
Yeah seems weird that my citizenship should be an issue with respect to what opinions I have. And for the record, I do hold dual citizenship, the other not being the US of A, but to your free healthcare givin commie brothers to the north.
Although this should still not enable me to more of an opinion than I currently express.
I think what is an issue is that some often seem to ignore questions asked of them but
require others to respond to their questions...
what's up with that? not a real question
I think when people from other countries continually criticize
and then compare a tiny little country to the number 1 in the world
it reeks of a lack of understanding. The points are baseless because the United States
of America is unique...
in history, in government, in people, in role and in problems that we, the citizens of, face.
It is tiresome the nanner nanner boo boo my country is better than you you ... USA
It is incomparable to the US, in my opinion ...
I'll add that in case someone thinks it is a fact.
When did I ever say my country is better than yours?, or anyone else for that matter? It is exactly that sentiment which I rally against.
And I didn't realise that land mass enabled one countries trouble to trump that of another, thanks for the education. Rather than wait for me to school you on my countries history, here's an idea, why don't you go look it up yourself. Let me help you along
Pheonix park murders
Land war
Irish war of independence
Irish civil war
troubles in the north
shankhill bomb
canary warff
shankhill butchers
bloody sunday - war of independence
bloody sunday - northern ireland troubles
bloody friday
hunger stirke
gerry mandering
norhtern irish civil rights
killing of mountbatten
lord gregory
the disappeared
Omagh
and the list goes on and on
My country is certainly not exempt from atrocities, however you asked me to point out examples of American atrocities, so I did. Your welcome.
And what is America number 1 in???? that point really lost me.
When did I ever say my country is better than yours?, or anyone else for that matter? It is exactly that sentiment which I rally against.
And I didn't realise that land mass enabled one countries trouble to trump that of another, thanks for the education. Rather than wait for me to school you on my countries history, here's an idea, why don't you go look it up yourself. Let me help you along
Pheonix park murders
Land war
Irish war of independence
Irish civil war
troubles in the north
shankhill bomb
canary warff
shankhill butchers
bloody sunday - war of independence
bloody sunday - northern ireland troubles
bloody friday
hunger stirke
gerry mandering
norhtern irish civil rights
killing of mountbatten
lord gregory
the disappeared
Omagh
and the list goes on and on
My country is certainly not exempt from atrocities, however you asked me to point out examples of American atrocities, so I did. Your welcome.
And what is America number 1 in???? that point really lost me.
# 1 in fingers in everyone's pies of course
actually probably # 1 in just about everything ... not positive things.
What questions did you not answer :? ...
I believe you only answered the one about the USA atrocities,
which you brought up in the flavor of finger pointing
when we spoke of the US military and defense spending.
Some here have gotten the feeling you are not a fan of the US, is all.
Would that be a somewhat fair assumption?
maybe not... Sometimes words can be mistaken ...
I will be sure to read throughly your posts, as to not misunderstand your judgement
of my country.
When did I ever say my country is better than yours?, or anyone else for that matter? It is exactly that sentiment which I rally against.
And I didn't realise that land mass enabled one countries trouble to trump that of another, thanks for the education. Rather than wait for me to school you on my countries history, here's an idea, why don't you go look it up yourself. Let me help you along
Pheonix park murders
Land war
Irish war of independence
Irish civil war
troubles in the north
shankhill bomb
canary warff
shankhill butchers
bloody sunday - war of independence
bloody sunday - northern ireland troubles
bloody friday
hunger stirke
gerry mandering
norhtern irish civil rights
killing of mountbatten
lord gregory
the disappeared
Omagh
and the list goes on and on
My country is certainly not exempt from atrocities, however you asked me to point out examples of American atrocities, so I did. Your welcome.
And what is America number 1 in???? that point really lost me.
# 1 in fingers in everyone's pies of course
actually probably # 1 in just about everything ... not positive things.
What questions did you not answer :? ...
I believe you only answered the one about the USA atrocities,
which you brought up in the flavor of finger pointing
when we spoke of the US military and defense spending.
Some here have gotten the feeling you are not a fan of the US, is all.
Would that be a somewhat fair assumption?
maybe not... Sometimes words can be mistaken ...
I will be sure to read throughly your posts, as to not misunderstand your judgement
of my country.
Finger pointing, certainly not. I made a point, you asked for examples, I provided them. Any other questions you have, fire away.
Anywho, back on topic, no, I do not think it changed anyone's vote. People seem to be much too entrenched in their team for logic or reason to take over.
Moonpig do you really believe nobody changed their minds after that debate ? that's a assumption on your part not a fact you have proven and I can not disprove it but 72% in a Gallop Poll say Romney won the debate so I'll take a shot and say at least ONE of those polled had changed their mind after that debate ended.
Moonpig do you really believe nobody changed their minds after that debate ? that's a assumption on your part not a fact you have proven and I can not disprove it but 72% in a Gallop Poll say Romney won the debate so I'll take a shot and say at least ONE of those polled had changed their mind after that debate ended.
Godfather.
You're right Godfather, 0 people would seem a little silly, point taken. I just feel that a lot of people have committed to their team now, and very little if anything will sway them. And for the record, yes ofcourse Romney won the debate, hands down in fact. What difference it will make to his campaign is yet to be seen.
Moonpig do you really believe nobody changed their minds after that debate ? that's a assumption on your part not a fact you have proven and I can not disprove it but 72% in a Gallop Poll say Romney won the debate so I'll take a shot and say at least ONE of those polled had changed their mind after that debate ended.
Godfather.
You're right Godfather, 0 people would seem a little silly, point taken. I just feel that a lot of people have committed to their team now, and very little if anything will sway them. And for the record, yes ofcourse Romney won the debate, hands down in fact. What difference it will make to his campaign is yet to be seen.
I'll be honest with you here..I'm voting for Romney and hoping for the best, I just can't see Obama making things better in this country and in my opinion his last 4 years have proven my suspisions of him,now that's not to say Romney is our night in shinning armor but so far he talks a good game and as I said I will just hope for the best if he gets elected.
Thank you I will research ... are most of these occuring in battle?
I think war in general is an atrocity.
Our role in the world is very different than Ireland's, would you agree?
What is Ireland's role in the world arena? I'm not sure, is there one?
I will enjoy learning about that, the positives.
Is Ireland guilty of atrocities as well? Was it against their own people or the
English? I'm not up on European history.
Perhaps your country as well is not free of shame and blame
but perhaps enjoys such on a much smaller scale ... again Ireland the size of our state of Maine, can we compare?
Where's a Russian
Back to topic...
After the debate I heard Romney earned 12 milion in campaign funds directly related
to how well he did.
Then I heard a couple days later how much our Presient earned in campaign funds
in the last month... holy crapola :shock:
those rich Democrats are turning out ...
guess all the nonprofits must be doing really well
What does the bolded sentence above have to do with anything? You mentioned this point once to Dunkman aswell and even in this context, it still makes no sense.
What does land area have to do with a countries hardships?
And am I to assume that everything I have posted in the above list of atrocities gets a pass because there was some sort of conflict involved as a pre curser?
Surely a foreign nation attacking another, infringing the rights of it's population, and offering salvation down the end of a barrel is not something Americans would stand for, and yet when they themselves are the instigators, it seems to be eh ok. What will amaze me, is the utter shock and surprise when some of these oppressed people decide to take their vengence.
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what we were discussing was the comparison of a small country to a large country
and their roles in the world arena ... this all originating in military size, cost,
defense needs etc.
If moonpig was a US citizen I could presume military downsizing and
cuts would be in the discussion. Perhaps still criticism of military movements.
I agree with budget cuts across the board, all the same including military.
But we must have jobs for returning vets or the money pickle continues.
I also believe one basic role of the federal Government is defending,
protecting it's citizens.
Not so keen on our presence all over the world though along with our money bribes,
our funny money bribes. :fp:
require others to respond to their questions...
what's up with that? not a real question
I think when people from other countries continually criticize
and then compare a tiny little country to the number 1 in the world
it reeks of a lack of understanding. The points are baseless because the United States
of America is unique...
in history, in government, in people, in role and in problems that we, the citizens of, face.
It is tiresome the nanner nanner boo boo my country is better than you you ... USA
It is incomparable to the US, in my opinion ...
I'll add that in case someone thinks it is a fact.
When did I ever say my country is better than yours?, or anyone else for that matter? It is exactly that sentiment which I rally against.
And I didn't realise that land mass enabled one countries trouble to trump that of another, thanks for the education. Rather than wait for me to school you on my countries history, here's an idea, why don't you go look it up yourself. Let me help you along
Pheonix park murders
Land war
Irish war of independence
Irish civil war
troubles in the north
shankhill bomb
canary warff
shankhill butchers
bloody sunday - war of independence
bloody sunday - northern ireland troubles
bloody friday
hunger stirke
gerry mandering
norhtern irish civil rights
killing of mountbatten
lord gregory
the disappeared
Omagh
and the list goes on and on
My country is certainly not exempt from atrocities, however you asked me to point out examples of American atrocities, so I did. Your welcome.
And what is America number 1 in???? that point really lost me.
Military spending maybe?
waste?
#1 in pissing off the rest of the world?
I never really understand the #1 claims either.
actually probably # 1 in just about everything ... not positive things.
What questions did you not answer :? ...
I believe you only answered the one about the USA atrocities,
which you brought up in the flavor of finger pointing
when we spoke of the US military and defense spending.
Some here have gotten the feeling you are not a fan of the US, is all.
Would that be a somewhat fair assumption?
maybe not... Sometimes words can be mistaken ...
I will be sure to read throughly your posts, as to not misunderstand your judgement
of my country.
Finger pointing, certainly not. I made a point, you asked for examples, I provided them. Any other questions you have, fire away.
Anywho, back on topic, no, I do not think it changed anyone's vote. People seem to be much too entrenched in their team for logic or reason to take over.
Moonpig do you really believe nobody changed their minds after that debate ? that's a assumption on your part not a fact you have proven and I can not disprove it but 72% in a Gallop Poll say Romney won the debate so I'll take a shot and say at least ONE of those polled had changed their mind after that debate ended.
Godfather.
You're right Godfather, 0 people would seem a little silly, point taken. I just feel that a lot of people have committed to their team now, and very little if anything will sway them. And for the record, yes ofcourse Romney won the debate, hands down in fact. What difference it will make to his campaign is yet to be seen.
I'll be honest with you here..I'm voting for Romney and hoping for the best, I just can't see Obama making things better in this country and in my opinion his last 4 years have proven my suspisions of him,now that's not to say Romney is our night in shinning armor but so far he talks a good game and as I said I will just hope for the best if he gets elected.
Godfather.
What does the bolded sentence above have to do with anything? You mentioned this point once to Dunkman aswell and even in this context, it still makes no sense.
What does land area have to do with a countries hardships?
And am I to assume that everything I have posted in the above list of atrocities gets a pass because there was some sort of conflict involved as a pre curser?
Surely a foreign nation attacking another, infringing the rights of it's population, and offering salvation down the end of a barrel is not something Americans would stand for, and yet when they themselves are the instigators, it seems to be eh ok. What will amaze me, is the utter shock and surprise when some of these oppressed people decide to take their vengence.