Rock On Romney!

aerial

a brilliant business man talking to a street organizer with no idea about economy

whygohome

What happened to facts?
I'm inclined to say that Romney won the debate--Obama let far too many chance go by--but he took the Chris Christie approach: be a blowhard and hope that that resonates with people.

Romney doesn't know of a tax break for shipping jobs overseas?

NY Times Fact Checkers:

Tax Break for Shipping Jobs Overseas
"Annie Lowrey: It is true. The tax code currently does allow companies to deduct certain expenses when they move operations overseas. As part of its plan to aid the manufacturing sector and promote job growth, the Obama administration has proposed ending this deduction, and giving tax credits to companies moving jobs back to the United States."
Everyone knows about that tax break.

Fact Check: Education Cuts

The candidates traded a series of charges on education, including whether Mr. Romney’s tax cuts would lead to lower government support for public education. Mr. Obama said the House budget authored by Mr. Romney’s running mate, Representative Paul D. Ryan, would cut “the education budget up to 20 percent.”
Mr. Romney rejected the charge. “I’m not going to cut education funding,” he said. “I don’t have a plan to cut education funding.”
But in the past Mr. Romney has said he would do just that.
In a speech to donors in Florida in the spring overheard by reporters, Mr. Romney said he would either merge the federal Education Department with another agency “or perhaps make it a heck of a lot smaller.”
The House budget that Mr. Ryan authored and Mr. Romney has said he largely supports includes large cuts to federal programs, but does not specify how they would be distributed across the federal government. The White House, which vehemently opposed the budget, calculated that if the cuts were distributed evenly across departments and programs, it would mean eliminating 38,000 teachers and aides for poor children in 2014 and 27,000 special education teachers and support staff. In addition, 200,000 children would be dropped from Head Start and other early education programs.

Fact Check: Government 'Takeover' of Health Care

Mr. Romney said in the debate that Mr. Obama’s health care overhaul would allow the federal government to “take over health care,” an assertion rejected by the president.
The 2010 health care law clearly expands the role of the federal government. But it also builds on the foundation of private health insurance, providing subsidies for millions of low- and moderate-income people to buy private insurance.
Under the law, close to 30 million Americas are expected to gain health coverage, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
Many of them would receive insurance through the expansion of Medicaid. The federal government will initially pay the entire cost of Medicaid coverage for newly eligible beneficiaries and would never pay less than 90 percent.
In addition, the federal government would subsidize the purchase of private insurance for millions of people with incomes up to four times the poverty level (up to $92,200 for a family of four). Private insurers would thus have many new customers.
Projections by the nonpartisan office of the actuary at the Department of Health and Human Services show that federal, state and local government health spending will account for nearly 50 percent of all health spending in the United States by 2021, up from 46 percent in 2011. The federal share of all health spending is expected to rise to more than 31 percent, from slightly less than 29 percent.
The changes reflect the expansion of Medicaid eligibility and the new subsidies for private insurance, as well as the increase in Medicare enrollment as baby boomers join the program.
When Mr. Romney and other Republicans complain of a federal takeover, they are referring to more than spending and enrollment in government health programs. They say the new health care law will require most Americans to purchase “government-approved insurance” or pay a new tax. The tax issue was at the heart of the Supreme Court’s much-debated 5-4 decision in June to uphold the president’s health care overhaul law, the Affordable Care Act.
Republicans also say that health insurance will be subject to much more federal regulation, specifying the types of benefits that must be offered; the value, or generosity, of the benefit package; and many other details.
Mr. Obama and other Democrats say these standards are needed to make sure consumers get real protection, not just “bare bones” coverage."

Style is nice, and Romney looked better--more prepared, more confident; but, there was no substance.

Anyway, even despite this, he won tonight. He simply made a better impression.

whygohome

Romney Revives Debunked 'Job-Killer' Claims On Health Care Reform

Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney repeated charges that President Barack Obama's health care law will kill jobs -- a claim at odds with Congressional Budget Office projections and the effects of Romney's own health care law in Massachusetts.

"I just don't know how the president could have come into office, facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the -- at the kitchen table, and spend his energy and passion for two years fighting for Obamacare instead of fighting for jobs for the American people. It has killed jobs," Romney said.

The Congressional Budget Office disagrees, FactCheck.org noted in June. According to the nonpartisan agency's estimates, health care reform will reduce the workforce by 0.5 percent. That's mostly because people would choose to retire early or work fewer hours, FactCheck.org reported.

If the national experience under Obamacare mirrors what happened in Massachusetts under Romney's similar health care law, job losses won't be a major issue. Employment trends in Massachusetts since Romneycare took effect have mirrored national trends, concluded a report issued by the Urban Institute in June. "The evidence from Massachusetts would suggest that national health reform does not imply job loss and stymied economic growth," said the report.

The health care law will require employers with at least 50 full-time workers to offer health benefits or pay a financial penalty to the government, which would then provide tax credit subsidies that low- and middle-class people can use to defray the cost of health insurance purchased on regulated exchanges. Smaller companies would be exempt from that requirement and those with up to 25 employees can get tax credits toward health benefits.

-- Jeffrey Young

Shawshank

I don't care for either candidate, but...Romney destroyed the President tonight...mainly because the President was extraordinarily weak. You have people that will vote for Obama no matter what and others that will vote for Romney no matter what...but I would bet my left nut that it's going to be Romney if he keeps this up. He's going to swing the undecided unless he drops out of the race.

fear4freedom

WOW Romney is ready! He is presidential! He is postive, informed, experienced and solid on all levels!

Obama is not used to being out of his comfort zone! He was exposed tonight! He looked unprepared, inept, confused and lost! His performance seemed rehearsed and not from the heart! He looked down all night and this was the first time I ever saw Obama like this!
W
WOW

The Fixer

score after 4 years and 1 debate...

romney and GOP 2, incumbent donkey promises 0

remember the slogan 'change'? That's the best the country can hope for

Get some Mitt...

London Bridge

It's funny how people think that because Romney won a debate, he will win the election. There are 2 more debates :fp:

Also, let's not forget the president doesn't have unlimited time to prepare for these debates. Unlike Romney, Obama still has the responsibity of being the president.

The Fixer

London Bridge wrote:

It's funny how people think that because Romney won a debate, he will win the election. There are 2 more debates :fp:

Also, let's not forget the president doesn't have unlimited time to prepare for these debates. Unlike Romney, Obama still has the responsibity of being the president.

no one said romney will win. as we all know, the electoral college is the dumbest thing ever created. if obama loses it will be surprising to all.

the more obama talks about failed promises and dumb ass policies...the better chance mitt has

keep talking mr president!!!!!!!!!

'change'

usamamasan1

Op, yes. Very articulate.

"I don't just talk about it, I've been there"

Go Beavers

aerial wrote:

a brilliant business man talking to a street organizer with no idea about economy

What makes you think he's a brilliant business man?

Prince Of Dorkness

What I learned tonight...

Republicans don't really support anything. They just hate "liberals."

Romney changes his position every few minutes... sometimes mid-sentence. He lied his whole way through that debate and actually claimed to support things that the Republicans here have railed against. That doesn't matter to our OP and professional trolls... they just want Romney to win... cuz... cuz.

Romney lied about what was in his tax non-plan, he lied about pretty much everything. But that doesn't matter to the OP... he's a Romney man because... um....

Ugh. :fp:

Prince Of Dorkness

The Fixer wrote:

as we all know, the electoral college is the dumbest thing ever created. '

Uh... funny... 8 years ago, all the Republicans were saying "well.. this is why the electoral college was created... to give the smaller states a larger voice..."

Now it's the stupidest thing ever created.

I agree with that... it would have given us President Gore.

Byrnzie

aerial wrote:

a brilliant business man talking to a street organizer with no idea about economy

What article or t.v programme did you lift the above sentence from?

inmytree

A) I can't wait for fact check....

It's hard to debate a liar.....

C) I don't want a voucher system for Medicaid....

pandora

Funny how people twist the words to fit their agenda then call it a lie,
they take a sentence and leave half off... did they stop listening?
no I think bias refuses to listen.
Funny how because they hate so much they just assume others do too :?

I agree Romney did a great job last night. I feel the same for Obama.

It was our Presidents 20th wedding anniversary last evening I hope they had
a nice celebration to honor their love, their children, their life,
the things that really matter on a personal human level.
He's just a man.

inmytree

pandora wrote:

Funny how people twist the words to fit their agenda then call it a lie,
they take a sentence and leave half off... did they stop listening?
no I think bias refuses to listen.
Funny how because they hate so much they just assume others do too :?

I agree Romney did a great job last night. I feel the same for Obama.

It was our Presidents 20th wedding anniversary last evening I hope they had
a nice celebration to honor their love, their children, their life,
the things that really matter on a personal human level.
He's just a man.

romney lied about his tax plan and covering pre-existing conditions...ha ha, that's funny....ha ha...

he was honest about changing Medicare into a voucher system....ha ha, so funny...

pandora

inmytree wrote:

pandora wrote:

Funny how people twist the words to fit their agenda then call it a lie,
they take a sentence and leave half off... did they stop listening?
no I think bias refuses to listen.
Funny how because they hate so much they just assume others do too :?

I agree Romney did a great job last night. I feel the same for Obama.

It was our Presidents 20th wedding anniversary last evening I hope they had
a nice celebration to honor their love, their children, their life,
the things that really matter on a personal human level.
He's just a man.

romney lied about his tax plan and covering pre-existing conditions...ha ha, that's funny....ha ha...

he was honest about changing Medicare into a voucher system....ha ha, so funny...

please be much more specific I fear your color is showing perhaps?
I am open to listening to exactly how he lied but please not half sentences or twists.

Whats so funny? not that I don't enjoy a good laugh.
I assume you are being sarcastic :?

I'm in the 54 to 57 age range which was said last evening I should listen closely.
I have read about the voucher system and personally am ok with it.

It won't be easy to fix our country, we all must take hardships and give a little.

badbrains

Didn't GWB get smashed in all the debates vs Kerry??? Look how that election turned out. (Of course if you believe it was legit)

Byrnzie

badbrains wrote:

Didn't GWB get smashed in all the debates vs Kerry??? Look how that election turned out. (Of course if you believe it was legit)

True. If that giddy little frat boy could make it through the debates and win the Presidency then it doesn't say much for their importance.

polaris_x

i watched like 10 mins of the debates last night and i would say romney definitely won the part i saw mainly because obama was very weak ... he talked way too much and he was unprepared ...

badbrains

Byrnzie wrote:

badbrains wrote:

Didn't GWB get smashed in all the debates vs Kerry??? Look how that election turned out. (Of course if you believe it was legit)

True. If that giddy little frat boy could make it through the debates and win the Presidency then it doesn't say much for their importance.

Does anybody remember the 04 debate vs Kerry when all the newspapers were trying to figure out what GWB had under his jacket, looked like some box as if he was a robot. That was some strange shit....