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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    PJFAN13 wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    Those are his "accomplishment."
    Kind sir, please add the following to Mr. Obama's list:
    1) Began the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
    2) Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
    3) Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
    4) US Auto industry rescue plan
    5) Housing rescue plan
    6) US financial and banking rescue plan
    7) Lowered drug costs for seniors
    8) Passed universal healthcare
    9) Introduced the most comprehensive financial industry reform legislation since the Great Depression
    10) Started and for the most part improved the US image abroad
    11) Found and had eliminated Osama Bin Laden.
    12) Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” .
    (Conveniently, none of the aforementioned appeared on your 'list")
    These are not promises. These are all the clean up fixes of the war-mongering, money-grubbing Neocon's that left this catastrophe upon the American people. Guantanamo will close, eventually, (we have much bigger problems, sir). "King of the Stimulus" = if you are referring to the "American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009"- then you are correct all that did was spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Months after that went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. One year later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.
    Finally, here's exactly how a ticket of Romney/Ryan will make the middle class (whats left of it) continue down the road of being destitute: Their budget plan increases the debt while slashing the social safety net. So huge debt + no social services left to cut + under-regulated Wall Street = (please input your answer here since it's clearly not eliminated what's left of the middle class).

    Edson, respectfully sir, open your eyes & wake up - you can't possibly think Mitt is the answer. The guys history is flip flopping, picking on the little guy and corporate decisions up and down the board that led to massive job loss...Romney's business acumen would be GREAT as Chairman of the Federal Reserve or Commerce Secretary.

    1) Began the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq - Bush's plan
    2) Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women - No he did not INSTITUE this.
    3) Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research - contributed
    4) US Auto industry rescue plan - Bailout/Stimulus - giving money we didn't have
    5) Housing rescue plan - Paying off people's mortgage's they couldn't afford - i.e. printing more money
    6) US financial and banking rescue plan - Bailout/Stimulus - giving money we didn't have
    7) Lowered drug costs for seniors - No he did not
    8) Passed universal healthcare - No he did not
    9) Introduced the most comprehensive financial industry reform legislation since the Great Depression - No he did not, and what he did - what did it actually accomplish?
    10) Started and for the most part improved the US image abroad - :? Really? That's what you think?
    11) Found and had eliminated Osama Bin Laden. - he did make the decision that any 5 year old would have made. Kudos.
    12) Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” - Congrats.

    See my comments next to your list. My eyes are WIDE open. I'm fairly certain I'm not the one being hoodwinked.

    Conveniently, your list ignore - LOWEST labor participation rate in 30 years, unemployment over 8%.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    what is romney running on exactly?

    he is running away from everything he did as governor.
    He is running on our President's failure.
    The only votes to consider are those not belonging to an ideology,
    a party line. Obviously that is very few here and in the real world also.

    Those who will vote for Romney are ready for a different strategy
    and feel 100% this President does not deserve another term
    due to the state of the economy. Will it be enough? We'll have to see.

    I heard an interesting remark about the effect world affairs
    can have on an election this am...
    that is in the few days to come before election day
    something could "happen" to sway votes and insure our President
    remains so because he would be favored to solve the issue.

    Anyone see Last Resort last night ?
    hmmmm.....
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,408
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    1) Began the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq - Bush's plan
    2) Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women - No he did not INSTITUE this.
    3) Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research - contributed
    4) US Auto industry rescue plan - Bailout/Stimulus - giving money we didn't have
    5) Housing rescue plan - Paying off people's mortgage's they couldn't afford - i.e. printing more money
    6) US financial and banking rescue plan - Bailout/Stimulus - giving money we didn't have
    7) Lowered drug costs for seniors - No he did not
    8) Passed universal healthcare - No he did not
    9) Introduced the most comprehensive financial industry reform legislation since the Great Depression - No he did not, and what he did - what did it actually accomplish?
    10) Started and for the most part improved the US image abroad - :? Really? That's what you think?
    11) Found and had eliminated Osama Bin Laden. - he did make the decision that any 5 year old would have made. Kudos.
    12) Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” - Congrats.

    See my comments next to your list. My eyes are WIDE open. I'm fairly certain I'm not the one being hoodwinked.

    Conveniently, your list ignore - LOWEST labor participation rate in 30 years, unemployment over 8%.

    just a few questions for you edson.. i'll start with the one you seem the most bitter about.

    would you or would you have not bailed out gm? was that bailout considered successful or unsuccessful? romney says he would not have. how would that have impacted the economy?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,408
    pandora wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    what is romney running on exactly?

    he is running away from everything he did as governor.
    He is running on our President's failure.
    The only votes to consider are those not belonging to an ideology,
    a party line. Obviously that is very few here and in the real world also.

    Those who will vote for Romney are ready for a different strategy
    and feel 100% this President does not deserve another term
    due to the state of the economy. Will it be enough? We'll have to see.

    I heard an interesting remark about the effect world affairs
    can have on an election this am...
    that is in the few days to come before election day
    something could "happen" to sway votes and insure our President
    remains so because he would be favored to solve the issue.

    Anyone see Last Resort last night ?
    hmmmm.....
    so pandora is voting for romney. thanks for clarifying that for us :D
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    what is romney running on exactly?

    he is running away from everything he did as governor.
    He is running on our President's failure.
    The only votes to consider are those not belonging to an ideology,
    a party line. Obviously that is very few here and in the real world also.

    Those who will vote for Romney are ready for a different strategy
    and feel 100% this President does not deserve another term
    due to the state of the economy. Will it be enough? We'll have to see.

    I heard an interesting remark about the effect world affairs
    can have on an election this am...
    that is in the few days to come before election day
    something could "happen" to sway votes and insure our President
    remains so because he would be favored to solve the issue.

    Anyone see Last Resort last night ?
    hmmmm.....
    so pandora is voting for romney. thanks for clarifying that for us :D
    no... why do you keep assuming that ? must make it somehow easier for you :fp:
    I am not convinced our Pres should not have another term like the other dipshits ;);)
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    1) Began the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq - Bush's plan
    2) Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women - No he did not INSTITUE this.
    3) Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research - contributed
    4) US Auto industry rescue plan - Bailout/Stimulus - giving money we didn't have
    5) Housing rescue plan - Paying off people's mortgage's they couldn't afford - i.e. printing more money
    6) US financial and banking rescue plan - Bailout/Stimulus - giving money we didn't have
    7) Lowered drug costs for seniors - No he did not
    8) Passed universal healthcare - No he did not
    9) Introduced the most comprehensive financial industry reform legislation since the Great Depression - No he did not, and what he did - what did it actually accomplish?
    10) Started and for the most part improved the US image abroad - :? Really? That's what you think?
    11) Found and had eliminated Osama Bin Laden. - he did make the decision that any 5 year old would have made. Kudos.
    12) Repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” - Congrats.

    See my comments next to your list. My eyes are WIDE open. I'm fairly certain I'm not the one being hoodwinked.

    Conveniently, your list ignore - LOWEST labor participation rate in 30 years, unemployment over 8%.

    just a few questions for you edson.. i'll start with the one you seem the most bitter about.

    would you or would you have not bailed out gm? was that bailout considered successful or unsuccessful? romney says he would not have. how would that have impacted the economy?

    Let's just say that if I were a GM worker today, I would be working fevorishly to find another job....

    They are headed for bankuptcy (again, technically speaking). It was a poor investment. As with most of his plans - he kicked the can down the street. He didn't really solve anything.

    10,000 Volts sold in a year.... Obama can't run a car company, either.

    My question back - when GM crashes again - should we bail it out again?
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    He decides to tape an appearance on The View rather than meet with international leaders one on one. :lol: Don't worry. There's nothing going on in the international community of any importance right now. :lol:

    Wait. Nevermind. Folks didn't elect him for what he can do anyway. So, this is probably good for him. Style over substance at all times.

    this is terrrible...just terrible...

    I bet if Mittens were Prezzy, he'd do his best to offend each and every leader...that would be better...way better...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,408
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    Let's just say that if I were a GM worker today, I would be working fevorishly to find another job....

    They are headed for bankuptcy (again, technically speaking). It was a poor investment. As with most of his plans - he kicked the can down the street. He didn't really solve anything.

    10,000 Volts sold in a year.... Obama can't run a car company, either.

    My question back - when GM crashes again - should we bail it out again?
    i do not know where you are getting your information from. even foxnews.com begrudgingly admits that obama's investment in gm has saved gm, saved detroit, and has had a positive effect on the economy. it has also saved parts manufacturing companies that would have gone under if there were no more gm cars to make parts for.

    10,000 volts..... with cash for clunkers just 2 years ago the majority of people needing a new car bought new cars then. they can not be expected to jump on to the volt bandwagon so soon, can they?

    gm has proven that it can be profitable. they paid back the loan before it was due, plus interest, so that bailout actually made money for the american people...

    and if they falter again, yes bail them out. they have proven that they can act responsibly with tax dollars.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    inmytree wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    He decides to tape an appearance on The View rather than meet with international leaders one on one. :lol: Don't worry. There's nothing going on in the international community of any importance right now. :lol:

    Wait. Nevermind. Folks didn't elect him for what he can do anyway. So, this is probably good for him. Style over substance at all times.

    this is terrrible...just terrible...

    I bet if Mittens were Prezzy, he'd do his best to offend each and every leader...that would be better...way better...
    Oh you mean he doesn't believe in pussy footin ;)
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    Let's just say that if I were a GM worker today, I would be working fevorishly to find another job....

    They are headed for bankuptcy (again, technically speaking). It was a poor investment. As with most of his plans - he kicked the can down the street. He didn't really solve anything.

    10,000 Volts sold in a year.... Obama can't run a car company, either.

    My question back - when GM crashes again - should we bail it out again?
    i do not know where you are getting your information from. even foxnews.com begrudgingly admits that obama's investment in gm has saved gm, saved detroit, and has had a positive effect on the economy. it has also saved parts manufacturing companies that would have gone under if there were no more gm cars to make parts for.

    10,000 volts..... with cash for clunkers just 2 years ago the majority of people needing a new car bought new cars then. they can not be expected to jump on to the volt bandwagon so soon, can they?

    gm has proven that it can be profitable. they paid back the loan before it was due, plus interest, so that bailout actually made money for the american people...

    and if they falter again, yes bail them out. they have proven that they can act responsibly with tax dollars.

    Their market share is down to 18% and falling (and not via strategic maneuvers. This is based on their effort to grow markets).

    The gov't still owns over 25% of the company. And we would need a stock price above 50 (currently in the low 20's) to get our money back. We have a $16 BILLION unrealized loss to date. It did not MAKE money. This is wacky that folks believe this stuff.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,408
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    Their market share is down to 18% and falling (and not via strategic maneuvers. This is based on their effort to grow markets).

    The gov't still owns over 25% of the company. And we would need a stock price above 50 (currently in the low 20's) to get our money back. We have a $16 BILLION unrealized loss to date. It did not MAKE money. This is wacky that folks believe this stuff.
    looks like you got that from this OP/ED..

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhi ... tcy-again/
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,408
    why was retuers saying the opposite last month?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/1 ... 73811.html
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,408
    2 weeks ago these communities were saying that it worked...

    wentzville is 20 miles from me, and that county always goes republican...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/15/busin ... wanted=all
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    Their market share is down to 18% and falling (and not via strategic maneuvers. This is based on their effort to grow markets).

    The gov't still owns over 25% of the company. And we would need a stock price above 50 (currently in the low 20's) to get our money back. We have a $16 BILLION unrealized loss to date. It did not MAKE money. This is wacky that folks believe this stuff.
    looks like you got that from this OP/ED..

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhi ... tcy-again/

    :lol: I actually hadn't read that, but it does sound good. I mean, when you state actual facts, it's not hard to find sources that will back you up.

    I also tried to find where Fox News lauded the GM bailout and found this.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09 ... 389370923/

    Oh, it's the 5th or 6th paragraph. See we can both post articles from whatever source we like.... You can huff and you can puff.....

    Whatever. We're going nowhere. You see the lowest labor force participation rate in 30 years with an unemployment rate above 8% as a positive (or at least someone else's fault). What can one say in response to that?

    Again - I know Obama's going to win. You don't need to fabricate to make yourself feel better about it.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    2 weeks ago these communities were saying that it worked...

    wentzville is 20 miles from me, and that county always goes republican...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/15/busin ... wanted=all

    I see how it was an immediate success. Just like all the other government interventions. They don't last unless you can pump more money into it. Where that money will come from, you must know.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    2 weeks ago these communities were saying that it worked...

    wentzville is 20 miles from me, and that county always goes republican...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/15/busin ... wanted=all

    I see how it was an immediate success. Just like all the other government interventions. They don't last unless you can pump more money into it. Where that money will come from, you must know.

    I'll help you out..

    http://money.msn.com/business-news/arti ... d=15611241

    At least the French President calls his party what it is....
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,408
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    2 weeks ago these communities were saying that it worked...

    wentzville is 20 miles from me, and that county always goes republican...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/15/busin ... wanted=all

    I see how it was an immediate success. Just like all the other government interventions. They don't last unless you can pump more money into it. Where that money will come from, you must know.

    I'll help you out..

    http://money.msn.com/business-news/arti ... d=15611241

    At least the French President calls his party what it is....
    that is france. they are not wasting hundreds of billions in descretionary money playing world cop...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Oh dear! :lol:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/se ... epublicans

    Romney's failing campaign hurting Republicans in congressional races

    The GOP not long ago stood to take control of the Senate, but key races are slipping away as party's top candidate stumbles


    Ewen MacAskill in Washington
    The Guardian, Thursday 27 September 2012


    Mitt Romney's collapsing campaign is beginning to hurt Republican chances in key congressional races, risking their hopes of taking the Senate as a bastion against a second-term Barack Obama presidency.

    More and more Republican congressional candidates are distancing themselves from their party's White House ticket as they are hit by ads from their Democratic opponents linking them to Romney and his running mate, Paul Ryan.

    With Romney still reeling from one bad poll after another in swing states, the Obama campaign opened up a new front on Friday, sending vice-president Joe Biden on a two-day visit to Florida to warn the elderly that a Romney-Ryan victory would mean new taxes on their social security benefits.

    Biden, in excerpts from his speech released in advance, said: "Right now, the majority of seniors don't have to pay taxes on their social security benefits … But if governor Romney's tax plan goes into effect, it could mean everyone, everyone, would have to pay more taxes on the social security benefits they now receive."

    Creating fear among the elderly is a potent message not only in Florida, a state with a high proportion of retirees, but in other swing states. A new poll, by the Washington Post and the health group the Kaiser Foundation, by Ryan to reform Medicare, the healthcare programme for those 65 and over, has alienated potential Republican voters..

    The poll found that in three battlegrounds – Florida, Ohio and Virginia – the changes to Medicare proposed by Ryan have tilted the elderly towards Obama. The issue ranked with them as high as the state of the economy.

    Sixty-five percent of those polled in Florida want to keep Medicare as it is. In Ohio, Obama held a 19% advantage over Romney among voters asked who they trusted most with the health programme, 15% in Florida and 13% in Virginia.

    Romney's lacklustre campaign, compounded by the threat to social security and Medicare coming on top of last week's secret video of a Romney speech, appears to be pulling down Republicans in congressional races. Candidates can usually count on receiving a boost in their districts and states from a successful presidential campaign.

    Stu Rothenberg, editor of the Rothenberg Political Report, told the Washington Examiner: "Republicans still have a chance, but it's not what it was six months ago or a year ago. And if you had to weigh the two parties' chances, you would have to say the Democrats have a better chance of holding the Senate."

    The Republicans hold the House and had high hopes of adding the Senate too. With control of Congress, they would be able to throw up a formidable barrier to Obama implementing new domestic policies.

    The Democrats hold only a four-seat majority in the Senate and had looked vulnerable. But the disarray in the Romney campaign has thrown those hopes into doubt. The Democrats are threatening to win seats the Republicans had been expected to win easily, such as Virginia. The Democratic candidate in Virginia, Tim Kaine, is up 3% on his Republican opponent, George Allen.

    The one remaining opportunity for Romney to turn the presidential campaign round is the first presidential debate on Wednesday in Denver, Colorado. Tens of millions are expected to tune in for the first opportunity to see Obama and Romney one-to-one in a debate in which issues such as tax, health care and the secret video of Romney disparaging 47% of the population as freeloaders are all likely to figure.

    Debates usually end in draws that are quickly forgotten, as in 2008, but they can make a difference, as in the classic one between Kennedy and Nixon in 1960 and more recently George W Bush and Al Gore in 2000, in which Gore annoyed lots of voters by rolling his eyes while Bush was speaking.

    Both the Obama and Romney campaigns on Friday talked up expectations for their opponents while downplaying their own candidate's chances. The Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod predicted Mitt Romney would be a "prepared, disciplined and aggressive debater".

    Fears that the White House may be beyond the Republican party this year has already seen fighting start among conservative commentators.

    The conservative commentator Charles Krauthammer, rounded on Romney, saying he had "fumbled" the opportunity offered by the Middle East crisis.

    He argued that it is not too late for Romney. "Make the case. Go large. About a foreign policy in ruins. About an archaic, 20th century welfare state model that guarantees 21st century insolvency. And about an alternate vision of an unapologetically assertive America abroad unafraid of fundamental structural change at home. It might just work. And it's not too late," Krauthammer wrote in the Washington Post.

    Jennifer Duffy, who covers the Senate races for the independent Cook Political Report, which had leaned a year ago to the Republicans taking the Senate, now argues that the range of possible outcomes goes from the Republicans picking up two or three seats – not enough for a majority – to actually losing a seat or two.

    Charlie Cook, writing in the National Journal, said that if Romney does not pick up in the polls in the next week to 10 days, he faces "the very real prospect that Republican donors, Super Pacs and other parts of the GOP support structure will begin to shift resources away from helping him and toward a last-ditch effort to win a Senate majority – which once seemed very likely – and to protect the party's House majority."
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    Byrnzie wrote:

    Biden, in excerpts from his speech released in advance, said: "Right now, the majority of seniors don't have to pay taxes on their social security benefits … But if governor Romney's tax plan goes into effect, it could mean everyone, everyone, would have to pay more taxes on the social security benefits they now receive."

    Creating fear among the elderly is a potent message not only in Florida, a state with a high proportion of retirees, but in other swing states.

    The poll found that in three battlegrounds – Florida, Ohio and Virginia – the changes to Medicare proposed by Ryan have tilted the elderly towards Obama. The issue ranked with them as high as the state of the economy.

    Sixty-five percent of those polled in Florida want to keep Medicare as it is
    ."

    So "drilling for fear" is ok with you and Eddie now? I thought it was abhorrent. I guess any means necessary. Right?

    This is the problem with entitlement programs. I'm for Medicare (obviously. Who isn't?). But this is an example of what Romney was saying. It's very easy to campaign on handing folks more money.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Funny hasn't tilted any of the Seniors I know, who are mostly in the Midwest.

    They think Obama has not done a thing!

    He's the worst President they have seen in decades.
    Not saying they like Romney either but 'Obamanation' is what his nickname is,
    kind of says it all. :lol:

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