Not good for Romney

inlet13

brianlux wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I don't mean to sound insulting or provoking or snide or anything (honestly) but why is Eddie's past employment so important here?

Because he performed at an Obama fundraiser last night and told a story some think has factual errors in.

I guaranfuckin'tee if you interview me about my life story there will be some errors!

Brian,

Do you think you would leave out the part about being an exec for an oil company?

PJ_Soul

inlet13 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I'm not upset - just talking. I am almost never mad when i'm dicussing here; i just speak my mind. I really just don't see any reason to think you have any idea of what you're talking about when it comes to Ed's life before PJ, and I dunno, it just doesn't seem appropriate for you to express such doubt about what Ed says about his own past experiences on the 10c boards, and I don't want this great thread to get locked.

You should complain to the ComeToTX then. He/she added this topic to this thread. I'm just commenting on the topic they added. That's all.

As for what I think. It's topical. We're in MT. We're in PJ.com. Ed introduced the President. He shared a story about gov't. I'm commenting on the story.

Sorry - the story doesn't line up with past documentation. That's all I'm saying. It's odd.

Yeah, well... for me, if ed says that he feels some government assistance once helped him, then I'm fine with that. My first instinct isn't to doubt him, but only to assume there is stuff I don't know about him, and that I certainly have no clue if he benefitted from some kind of government assistance 23 years ago, but tend to think that if he said he did, then I guess he did.

Cliffy6745

inlet13 wrote:

I'm only a couple years older than you. I was never into this bad for their politics either. I understand why you may not care, but hope you respect someone else may care. This doesn't line up with a lot I've heard on the band. I've followed the bad for a long time and I don't recall the eddie vedder story including this part about gov't assistance and this other high-up job, and it seems confusing to toss it in the first time he introduces a President who's very into gov't. Kinda fishy is all... was hoping someone would toss an article out and say - see inlet - you're wrong. But, haven't seen that. It's fishy - almost like he was stretching a bit.

I hear you and I completely understand. I understand what the band meant to people at the time and what they spoke for, and completely understand why people are upset with them, even though I disagree. People change, in my mind. Shit, I am a much different person than I was a few years ago, personal and political.

I honestly don't know enough about his personal life to make a judgement one way or another. I believe I have heard security guard/gas station attendant, so I have no clue and am not basing my vote on what he says in the least. Maybe he took the class after, maybe he took it before, maybe he was trying to fit in with a group of people that were already voting for him and he was trying to make a point and exaggerated a bit. I have no clue.

Cliffy6745

brianlux wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I don't mean to sound insulting or provoking or snide or anything (honestly) but why is Eddie's past employment so important here?

Because he performed at an Obama fundraiser last night and told a story some think has factual errors in.

I guaranfuckin'tee if you interview me about my life story there will be some errors!

Every girl I have ever hooked up with was a perfect 10

Cliffy6745

inlet13 wrote:

Brian,

Do you think you would leave out the part about being an exec for an oil company?

Come on now. We all watched the video. Security guard (head security guard or not) does not equal an executive for an oil company

brianlux

Cliffy6745 wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

Brian,

Do you think you would leave out the part about being an exec for an oil company?

Come on now. We all watched the video. Security guard (head security guard or not) does not equal an executive for an oil company

Thank you! I was trying to figure out what I had missed. Let's also remember E.V. wasn't on the witness stand.

satansbed

inlet13 wrote:

Brian,

Do you think you would leave out the part about being an exec for an oil company?

Seriously?
SMH :roll:

comebackgirl

inlet13 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

I asked on porch and they freaked out and locked the thread, so I'll ask here:

Why does this supervisor security guard at a petroleum company not line up with the Eddie Vedder working as a gas station attendant when he heard back from Stone and Jeff - that I was familiar with? Anyone have ideas?

I can't for the life of me figure out what exactly it is you're asking here, Inlet. One of us has been hanging out in the Lounge Car too long.

He said in the Obama opening he was a supervisor security guard at a petroleum co. and he received gov't assistance to be one. This is how he got into rock by funding it. I heard he was a gas station attendant. Not a supervisor security guard at an oil company.

Anyone who's familiar with PJ knows the gas station attendant, living in a shack, surfing story that ended with Once, Alive and Footsteps while surfing.

My point is - this doesn't add up. The story is changing. I'm looking for a reason - maybe I'm off somewhere.

I had heard years ago that he worked security at a petroleum company. I can't remember if it was in a book or in an article, but I definitely remember reading that because I had heard he was a gas station attendant as well. My thought is that either 1) the reports that he was a gas station attendant were confused in hearing that he worked for an oil company (probably fairly easy mistake) 2) He worked more than one job at a time (I worked 3 different jobs at the same time when I first graduated undergrad - not so uncommon), or 3) he worked more than one job consecutively within the same year as a lot of young people do

Eddie probably knows his work history better than any reporter, author or wikipedia writer

pandora

Is the system we have working?
Is the Federal govt capable of taking care of it's people without huge deficits
and rising taxation?
Is the current administration attempting to raise the number of those on aid
instead of working to get them off aid?
Are social programs being abused?
Is the growing mindset one of entitlement?

I am proposing putting the care of the needy back into the hands of the people.
Not no care, no help.... just little Federal help.
Many on aid and those who's paychecks come indirectly through these programs
don't want change. They fear change.

What should be feared is a 16 trillion dollar deficit
and growing to 20 trillion in a few more years.

In my household we have removed the credit option.
We live on little, on cash and are paying down past thrills and frills.
This is what our country must do before the hole becomes a sink hole.
Is that easy ... no.

Keep tax dollars in peoples pockets, give power back to the states, business
and people. Allow them to all help each other and take responsibility
for our country. This country does not belong to the federal government.
It was not designed to have a government that owns it's people most
especially not out of need.

The needy have no power...
is this the eventuality we are looking at?

mickeyrat

so we go from a budget surplus ( which should have been used to pay down the debt) to running a budget deficit since Bush TEMPORARY tax cuts were put into effect.

I say let them expire, it will be tough for a bit , but we've struggled through this far havent we? We can make it through this too..

PJ_Soul

comebackgirl wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I can't for the life of me figure out what exactly it is you're asking here, Inlet. One of us has been hanging out in the Lounge Car too long.

He said in the Obama opening he was a supervisor security guard at a petroleum co. and he received gov't assistance to be one. This is how he got into rock by funding it. I heard he was a gas station attendant. Not a supervisor security guard at an oil company.

Anyone who's familiar with PJ knows the gas station attendant, living in a shack, surfing story that ended with Once, Alive and Footsteps while surfing.

My point is - this doesn't add up. The story is changing. I'm looking for a reason - maybe I'm off somewhere.

I had heard years ago that he worked security at a petroleum company. I can't remember if it was in a book or in an article, but I definitely remember reading that because I had heard he was a gas station attendant as well. My thought is that either 1) the reports that he was a gas station attendant were confused in hearing that he worked for an oil company (probably fairly easy mistake) 2) He worked more than one job at a time (I worked 3 different jobs at the same time when I first graduated undergrad - not so uncommon), or 3) he worked more than one job consecutively within the same year as a lot of young people do

Eddie probably knows his work history better than any reporter, author or wikipedia writer

Luckily, someone on the thread on the porch quoted the pj20 book where it says he had this job, so it's been proven Eddie isn't a liar about his own life now. :roll: Also, ed specifically said on the vid that this course and job came along when he was 19. That inlet was saying things didn't add up and sounds fishy he was assuming that ed was talking about when he was older, closer to when he went to Seattle, showing that inlet started two threads about how ed seems to be full of shit without even seeing the vid or reading a transcript.... just mentioning this so that perhaps people will be more careful about knowing what they're talking about before coming to any conclusions about other people.

PJ_Soul

comebackgirl wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I can't for the life of me figure out what exactly it is you're asking here, Inlet. One of us has been hanging out in the Lounge Car too long.

He said in the Obama opening he was a supervisor security guard at a petroleum co. and he received gov't assistance to be one. This is how he got into rock by funding it. I heard he was a gas station attendant. Not a supervisor security guard at an oil company.

Anyone who's familiar with PJ knows the gas station attendant, living in a shack, surfing story that ended with Once, Alive and Footsteps while surfing.

My point is - this doesn't add up. The story is changing. I'm looking for a reason - maybe I'm off somewhere.

I had heard years ago that he worked security at a petroleum company. I can't remember if it was in a book or in an article, but I definitely remember reading that because I had heard he was a gas station attendant as well. My thought is that either 1) the reports that he was a gas station attendant were confused in hearing that he worked for an oil company (probably fairly easy mistake) 2) He worked more than one job at a time (I worked 3 different jobs at the same time when I first graduated undergrad - not so uncommon), or 3) he worked more than one job consecutively within the same year as a lot of young people do

Eddie probably knows his work history better than any reporter, author or wikipedia writer

Luckily, someone on the thread on the porch quoted the pj20 book where it says he had this job, so it's been proven Eddie isn't a liar about his own life now. :roll: Also, ed specifically said on the vid that this course and job came along when he was 19. When inlet was saying things didn't add up and sounds fishy he was assuming that ed was talking about when he was older, closer to when he went to Seattle, showing that inlet started two threads about how ed seems to be full of shit without even seeing the vid or reading a transcript.... just mentioning this so that perhaps people will be more careful about knowing what they're talking about before coming to any conclusions about other people.

ComeToTX

I think the original story back in '91 was gas station attendant. I think the media thought that was a better story. I've never heard Ed say anything other than security guard.

PJ_Soul

ComeToTX wrote:

I think the original story back in '91 was gas station attendant. I think the media thought that was a better story. I've never heard Ed say anything other than security guard.

He's always said he was a gas station attendant when he got the mamasan tape. He's told specific stories about his boss at that gas station and has dedicated a song to him. He was a se purity guard at this other place years before that.

comebackgirl

PJ_Soul wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

inlet13 wrote:

He said in the Obama opening he was a supervisor security guard at a petroleum co. and he received gov't assistance to be one. This is how he got into rock by funding it. I heard he was a gas station attendant. Not a supervisor security guard at an oil company.

Anyone who's familiar with PJ knows the gas station attendant, living in a shack, surfing story that ended with Once, Alive and Footsteps while surfing.

My point is - this doesn't add up. The story is changing. I'm looking for a reason - maybe I'm off somewhere.

I had heard years ago that he worked security at a petroleum company. I can't remember if it was in a book or in an article, but I definitely remember reading that because I had heard he was a gas station attendant as well. My thought is that either 1) the reports that he was a gas station attendant were confused in hearing that he worked for an oil company (probably fairly easy mistake) 2) He worked more than one job at a time (I worked 3 different jobs at the same time when I first graduated undergrad - not so uncommon), or 3) he worked more than one job consecutively within the same year as a lot of young people do

Eddie probably knows his work history better than any reporter, author or wikipedia writer

Luckily, someone on the thread on the porch quoted the pj20 book where it says he had this job, so it's been proven Eddie isn't a liar about his own life now. :roll: Also, ed specifically said on the vid that this course and job came along when he was 19. When inlet was saying things didn't add up and sounds fishy he was assuming that ed was talking about when he was older, closer to when he went to Seattle, showing that inlet started two threads about how ed seems to be full of shit without even seeing the vid or reading a transcript.... just mentioning this so that perhaps people will be more careful about knowing what they're talking about before coming to any conclusions about other people.

ahhh that makes sense. I knew I had heard he had worked both jobs. I guess Eddie didn't realize that he was only allowed to work one job before joining PJ Any time he mentions one job, he better be sure to mention all the others,with dates, etc...you know...like we all do.

I sure hope peacefrompaul doesn't have any fishy stuff in his background :? :thumbup:

ComeToTX

PJ_Soul wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

I think the original story back in '91 was gas station attendant. I think the media thought that was a better story. I've never heard Ed say anything other than security guard.

He's always said he was a gas station attendant when he got the mamasan tape. He's told specific stories about his boss at that gas station and has dedicated a song to him. He was a se purity guard at this other place years before that.

Well, there ya go...shows how much stuff like that matters to me.

blackredyellow

EdsonNascimento wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

When exactly has trickle down economics actually worked?

It doesn't!

It's all so silly. The lefts premise is actually more insulting to those "down on their luck" than the right.

I also love the it's rigged theory. So, now you're also insulting those that are successful. Is there anyone the left actually admires?



And the 1980's would be the correct answer to your question. That was also the decade we didn't hate ourselves.

Now off to the lounge car......

Debatable... and you are talking about cutting from restrictively high rates (basically cutting the top tax rate from 70% to 28% over time). Lowering it that much is bound to infuse the economy with cash. But dropping it a few percent (or raising it a few percent) isn't going to have that effect.

Also, Reagan tripled the debt during his time, mostly due to lowering tax income and increasing military spending.

And while everyone loves to talk about Reagan lowering taxes, but he actually raised taxes on lower incomes in 1986 and his policies helped greatly increase the difference from the haves and have nots.

markin ball

inlet13 wrote:

And why didn't he say gas station attendant. Why was it puffed up to "supervisory" security guard at a petroleum company? Seems pretty ridiculous.

The fact that it seems he stretched his current auto biography from gas attendent to supervisor of security guards at a petroleum company to "potentially" fit Obama's demands - if that's true: that's kinda messed up - at least to me. And if it's true , I'd really lose more respect. And it doesn't have to do with supporting a Presidential candidate - it has to do with changing stories - repeatedly.

Or...Ed could have been downplaying his job at the gas station, whatever that was, in earlier quotes and stories. He can be rather self deprecating at times. Anyway, I've really only thought he said he was working at a gas station all this time. I never really recall him saying what his job specifically was. Long story short...maybe he was trying to get a tiny bit more street cred in the past by saying he worked graveyard at a gas station instead of saying he actually worked his way up into middle management. Who knows? I just don't think we can conclude Ed was necessarily puffing anything up for the Obama fundraiser.

gimmesometruth27

it is like rats jumping off of the sinking ship...

chadwick

http://youtu.be/WEkDYkuuPD4
dunno if this has been posted already. this romney guy is dangerous stupid & out of control