There we go. Why didn't you post your grandfather or whoever's "fact checking" website? :roll:
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C'mon Godfather, posting a story (with no link may I add, not even Fox News) and pretending that it's true? Do you value truth at all or just any story bashing Obama? That could go for many people on here...
Oh man, the Republicans must be feeling really desperate now, trying convince people that Obama is handing land and oil reserves over to Russia for no reason other than to suck up and be Putin's bitch. :fp:
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C'mon Godfather, posting a story (with no link may I add, not even Fox News) and pretending that it's true? Do you value truth at all or just any story bashing Obama? That could go for many people on here...
Oh man, the Republicans must be feeling really desperate now, trying convince people that Obama is handing land and oil reserves over to Russia for no reason other than to suck up and be Putin's bitch. :fp:
Why can't you believe it, he's handed over 5 billion dollars to Brazil to drill for oil.
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C'mon Godfather, posting a story (with no link may I add, not even Fox News) and pretending that it's true? Do you value truth at all or just any story bashing Obama? That could go for many people on here...
they are just making americans stupider by the day :(
??? that's not very nice...."stupider" but judging by your last comment I won't take that as an insult
that was just a coca duty poopie head thing to say I would expect better than that from you polaris.... :roll:
There we go. Why didn't you post your grandfather or whoever's "fact checking" website? :roll:
how old are you johnny ? you sound young....
Godfather.
What's that supposed to mean? You can see on my profile.
I would say I'm about the median age for a Pearl Jam fan.
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ez bronco your comment about using my grandfathers fact check was a little rude in my opinion and sounded like a reply from a young 17-20 year old...being 17 aint bad, if I could go back to 1977 just for that one year and change my choices in life things might be a little different today
??? that's not very nice...."stupider" but judging by your last comment I won't take that as an insult
that was just a coca duty poopie head thing to say I would expect better than that from you polaris.... :roll:
Godfather.
you made a thread based on an "email forward" that was clearly based on bs without thinking about it or checking it yourself ... this is why we keep harping on critical thinking ... it means you take the time to think through what someone is trying to feed you ... you did so because the email suited your partisan beliefs ... facts and truths have no meaning anymore in the discussion ...
i'm sorry if you took offense but the reality is that as a nation - people should be embarrassed that mistruths and propaganda pieces get soaked up on both sides ... just because it suits one's partisan's beliefs ... at one point the majority of americans thought Iraq was responsible for 9/11 ... and at one point, 30%+ thought Obama wasn't born in america ... this is stuff that has to make one question the ability of the people to think for themselves ...
oh yeah ... sooo true but at the same time as long as the premier of alberta is a conservative and believes in global warming then it's still much better ...
??? that's not very nice...."stupider" but judging by your last comment I won't take that as an insult
that was just a coca duty poopie head thing to say I would expect better than that from you polaris.... :roll:
Godfather.
you made a thread based on an "email forward" that was clearly based on bs without thinking about it or checking it yourself ... this is why we keep harping on critical thinking ... it means you take the time to think through what someone is trying to feed you ... you did so because the email suited your partisan beliefs ... facts and truths have no meaning anymore in the discussion ...
i'm sorry if you took offense but the reality is that as a nation - people should be embarrassed that mistruths and propaganda pieces get soaked up on both sides ... just because it suits one's partisan's beliefs ... at one point the majority of americans thought Iraq was responsible for 9/11 ... and at one point, 30%+ thought Obama wasn't born in america ... this is stuff that has to make one question the ability of the people to think for themselves ...
dang it I hate when you get all logical and shit
well then please accept my apology's for not looking into that before I posted it, but it did stirr up some good convorsation
dang it I hate when you get all logical and shit
well then please accept my apology's for not looking into that before I posted it, but it did stirr up some good convorsation
oh yeah ... sooo true but at the same time as long as the premier of alberta is a conservative and believes in global warming then it's still much better ...
True.
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
ez bronco your comment about using my grandfathers fact check was a little rude in my opinion and sounded like a reply from a young 17-20 year old...being 17 aint bad, if I could go back to 1977 just for that one year and change my choices in life things might be a little different today
Godfather.
I actually had more cranky, old-mannish, Repub type views when I was younger. The party has totally lost me. I didn't switch my registration to D until it was time for the PA primary in 2008.
I couldn't remember if you said it was your grandfather or was someone around 75 years old that you knew. Sorry if it sounded rude.
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ez bronco your comment about using my grandfathers fact check was a little rude in my opinion and sounded like a reply from a young 17-20 year old...being 17 aint bad, if I could go back to 1977 just for that one year and change my choices in life things might be a little different today
Godfather.
I actually had more cranky, old-mannish, Repub type views when I was younger. The party has totally lost me. I didn't switch my registration to D until it was time for the PA primary in 2008.
I couldn't remember if you said it was your grandfather or was someone around 75 years old that you knew. Sorry if it sounded rude.
no worries here bro, the guy is a retired fire fighter about 75 and has always been interested in politics, I've known him sense about 1980-1981ish and have always respected him and his word.
Godfather.
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Just few thoughts- these remote islands should belong to neither Russia or the US. They should belong to the Inuit people (or whom ever are native to those islands-- if anyone), whales, polar bears, and planet earth. Drilling for oil in ecologically sensitive areas? Insanity.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Just few thoughts- these remote islands should belong to neither Russia or the US. They should belong to the Inuit people (or whom ever are native to those islands-- if anyone), whales, polar bears, and planet earth. Drilling for oil in ecologically sensitive areas? Insanity.
You are totally right...look the mess in the gulf with BP...now imagine a spill in this part of the world...clean up would be an extremely tough job considering the harsh conditions in the area.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
It's not just Americans...its a global problem...this is how the corporations want it...a bunch of robots incapable of critical thought.
that is true ... but it is worse there ...
That's because many Americans tend to equate their strong sense of nationalism/ra-ra-Americanism to agreeing with their government. That is not so much the case elsewhere.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It's not just Americans...its a global problem...this is how the corporations want it...a bunch of robots incapable of critical thought.
that is true ... but it is worse there ...
That's because many Americans tend to equate their strong sense of nationalism/ra-ra-Americanism to agreeing with their government. That is not so much the case elsewhere.
ya know that seems to be true in some countries why is that ? why are Americans proud of their country more so than some others are of theirs...well why do we have a stronger sense of nationalism/ra-ra-Americanism ?
and is there anything wrong with it ?
we are a young country,many of us have fought in wars or have family members that have and some can trace there family all the way back to the civil war or even family members that landed on the new england coast..plymouth rock ?
so maybe that has something to do with it and another thing that may have something to do with it is that this country was started by rebals..the guys that told the Queen to take a hike, the guys that wrote the DOI and signed it risked their lives to do that...hell yeah the Queen was pissed she thought all the new land was property of jolly ol England....we flipped her the bird and said no it's our's and we ain't comin back....so anyway it may very well be in the blood
That's because many Americans tend to equate their strong sense of nationalism/ra-ra-Americanism to agreeing with their government. That is not so much the case elsewhere.
ya know that seems to be true in some countries why is that ? why are Americans proud of their country more so than some others are of theirs...well why do we have a stronger sense of nationalism/ra-ra-Americanism ?
and is there anything wrong with it ?
we are a young country,many of us have fought in wars or have family members that have and some can trace there family all the way back to the civil war or even family members that landed on the new england coast..plymouth rock ?
so maybe that has something to do with it and another thing that may have something to do with it is that this country was started by rebals..the guys that told the Queen to take a hike, the guys that wrote the DOI and signed it risked their lives to do that...hell yeah the Queen was pissed she thought all the new land was property of jolly ol England....we flipped her the bird and said no it's our's and we ain't comin back....so anyway it may very well be in the blood
Godfather.
I don't think Americans are more proud of their country than others, or have a stronger sense of nationalism. It's only a matter of how they display and interpret this nationalism. For example, Canadians are HUGELY nationalistic. As a group, they are massive flag wavers and have an amazing amount of pride in their country because they think it's a great one. But we do NOT tend to display this strong sense of nationalism by defending the poor actions of our government. We tend to be very willing to criticize our government for not living up to our high expectations instead, and consider that a sign of our love for our country. From what I know, I'd say that's generally the tendency among a lot of European countries too (even the French, although they only do it among themselves - if they're comparing themselves to other countries, they will defend their government until they're blue in the face, lol). Those are purely my observations, of course, but I think they're pretty fair.
What I think is wrong with the blind nationalism that SOME people in the US seem to hold is that it causes them to not hold their government accountable. *obligatory disclaimer: Of course many many Americans are highly critical of their government while still nationalistic - I'm talking about those who are that other way; it's just a way more prevalent sentiment in the US compared to other places).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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I think what all people who are highly nationalistic, regardless of what country they are from, often tend to not recognize is the greater importance of being a member of a community and of a geographic region and also tend to not recognize the fact that all geographic regions share one thing in common: they are all are a part of one whole-- the same planet. On the grand scale of things, nations are ephemeral whereas geographic regions and the planet as a whole are much more stable and essential to our existence.
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I think what all people who are highly nationalistic, regardless of what country they are from, often tend to not recognize is the greater importance of being a member of a community and of a geographic region and also tend to not recognize the fact that all geographic regions share one thing in common: they are all are a part of one whole-- the same planet. On the grand scale of things, nations are ephemeral whereas geographic regions and the planet as a whole are much more stable and essential to our existence.
Geographic regions are definitely a lot more important that some people tend to think IMO. I think that a lot of people don't recognize the profound impact it actually has on us as individuals and as societies. I think it even goes so deep as to affect our cultural memory.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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There we go. Why didn't you post your grandfather or whoever's "fact checking" website? :roll:
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Oh man, the Republicans must be feeling really desperate now, trying convince people that Obama is handing land and oil reserves over to Russia for no reason other than to suck up and be Putin's bitch.
http://commonamericanjournal.com/?p=39807
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I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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Why can't you believe it, he's handed over 5 billion dollars to Brazil to drill for oil.
And this was below the article on Obama handing islands to Putin:
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It's not just Americans...its a global problem...this is how the corporations want it...a bunch of robots incapable of critical thought.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
that is true ... but it is worse there ...
It is amazing what people will believe and hold on to. This is crazy.
how old are you johnny ? you sound young....
Godfather.
yes agreed...but it's getting bad here in Canada.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
??? that's not very nice...."stupider"
that was just a coca duty poopie head thing to say
Godfather.
What's that supposed to mean? You can see on my profile.
I would say I'm about the median age for a Pearl Jam fan.
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Godfather.
you made a thread based on an "email forward" that was clearly based on bs without thinking about it or checking it yourself ... this is why we keep harping on critical thinking ... it means you take the time to think through what someone is trying to feed you ... you did so because the email suited your partisan beliefs ... facts and truths have no meaning anymore in the discussion ...
i'm sorry if you took offense but the reality is that as a nation - people should be embarrassed that mistruths and propaganda pieces get soaked up on both sides ... just because it suits one's partisan's beliefs ... at one point the majority of americans thought Iraq was responsible for 9/11 ... and at one point, 30%+ thought Obama wasn't born in america ... this is stuff that has to make one question the ability of the people to think for themselves ...
oh yeah ... sooo true but at the same time as long as the premier of alberta is a conservative and believes in global warming then it's still much better ...
dang it I hate when you get all logical and shit
well then please accept my apology's for not looking into that before I posted it, but it did stirr up some good convorsation
Godfather.
no need to apologize to me ...
True.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I actually had more cranky, old-mannish, Repub type views when I was younger. The party has totally lost me. I didn't switch my registration to D until it was time for the PA primary in 2008.
I couldn't remember if you said it was your grandfather or was someone around 75 years old that you knew. Sorry if it sounded rude.
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no worries here bro, the guy is a retired fire fighter about 75 and has always been interested in politics, I've known him sense about 1980-1981ish and have always respected him and his word.
Godfather.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
You are totally right...look the mess in the gulf with BP...now imagine a spill in this part of the world...clean up would be an extremely tough job considering the harsh conditions in the area.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
ya know that seems to be true in some countries why is that ? why are Americans proud of their country more so than some others are of theirs...well why do we have a stronger sense of nationalism/ra-ra-Americanism ?
and is there anything wrong with it ?
we are a young country,many of us have fought in wars or have family members that have and some can trace there family all the way back to the civil war or even family members that landed on the new england coast..plymouth rock ?
so maybe that has something to do with it and another thing that may have something to do with it is that this country was started by rebals..the guys that told the Queen to take a hike, the guys that wrote the DOI and signed it risked their lives to do that...hell yeah the Queen was pissed she thought all the new land was property of jolly ol England....we flipped her the bird and said no it's our's and we ain't comin back....so anyway it may very well be in the blood
Godfather.
What I think is wrong with the blind nationalism that SOME people in the US seem to hold is that it causes them to not hold their government accountable. *obligatory disclaimer: Of course many many Americans are highly critical of their government while still nationalistic - I'm talking about those who are that other way; it's just a way more prevalent sentiment in the US compared to other places).
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"