I'd say the system is the problem. Get rid of parties altogether. putting yourself in a group and being forced to be categorized as something, and then becoming that something more and more as you go along, is the issue.
fighting for the interest of a donkey over an elephant rather than the zookeeper who keeps feeding you is absolute nonsense.
Basically you can't have a democracy with out them.
Yeah, the process of Checks and Balances was supposed to work in order for each party to balance the other out. It USED to work. But until people start working together, a dirty word for Republicans especially, democracy is impossible.
Parties are made up of people and it's up to the people to change them, or else change the whole electoral system to something more like pr which will lead to more parties
lets just say it: young & elderly rich republicans are the problem
fixed
:twisted:
Don't forget about the bible thumpers.
arg!
religious wealthy republicans both young & seniors... should all be thrown into a crack house on christmas eve buck ass naked with a cluster of gang thug zombies & dumpster divers with bad teeth & missing ears
lets just say it: young & elderly rich republicans are the problem
fixed
:twisted:
Don't forget about the bible thumpers.
arg!
religious wealthy republicans both young & seniors... should all be thrown into a crack house on christmas eve buck ass naked with a cluster of gang thug zombies & dumpster divers with bad teeth & missing ears
i think clothing should be outlawed world wide. who is going to fight with their balls hanging out? NOBODY. how many fights break out at a nudist colony? NONE.
let's all get NEKKED.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
i think clothing should be outlawed world wide. who is going to fight with their balls hanging out? NOBODY. how many fights break out at a nudist colony? NONE.
let's all get NEKKED.
you have a point there but I'll have to decline your invitation
i think clothing should be outlawed world wide. who is going to fight with their balls hanging out? NOBODY. how many fights break out at a nudist colony? NONE.
let's all get NEKKED.
you have a point there but I'll have to decline your invitation
Godfather.
A Democrat would do it. :twisted:
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
House Republican leaders reprimanded 30 lawmakers last August for antics including drinking and skinny-dipping during a fact-finding trip to Israel, according to published reports.
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) scolded the lawmakers — many of them freshmen — and senior GOP staffers for a late-night swim in the Sea of Galilee. At least one of the lawmakers swam nude, according to a report published Sunday night by Politico. The FBI later inquired about the incident to determine whether there was any impropriety, the report said.
According to the report, Rep. Kevin Yoder (R-Kan.) took off his clothes and jumped into the sea, joining a number of partially-clothed members, some spouses and family members and the staffers, “more than a dozen sources, including eyewitnesses” told Politico.
Senior Republican aides, not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, confirmed the general outlines of the report but denied that the FBI inquired specifically about any potential impropriety.
In an e-mail, FBI spokesman Bill Carter would not confirm or deny any investigation, “nor do we confirm that interviews may have taken place with regards to that trip.”
But a law enforcement source said that the FBI may have conducted interviews that pertain to campaign finance allegations made against Rep. Michael G. Grimm (R-N.Y.), who went on the trip to Israel – and then traveled to Cyprus.
Grimm’s office has not been contacted or notified of any investigation regarding his travels to Israel or Cyprus, according to spokeswoman Carol Danko.
In a television interview Monday with a New Hampshire station, presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney called the incident “reprehensible” and “another terrible mistake by individuals.” His running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), in the same interview, called the behavior “unbecoming of a member of Congress.”
Top aides to Yoder did not immediately respond to requests for comment. In a statement to Politico, Yoder said that he and his wife joined colleagues for dinner at the Sea of Galilee. “After dinner I followed some Members of Congress in a spontaneous and very brief dive into the sea and regrettably I jumped into the water without a swimsuit,” Yoder said in the statement. “It is my greatest honor to represent the people of Kansas in Congress and [for] any embarrassment I have caused for my colleagues and constituents, I apologize.”
Yoder, elected in 2010, represents the 3rd Congressional District of Kansas, which encompasses an area west of Kansas City.
The report said that other lawmakers involved in the late-night swim included Rep. Steve Southerland (R-Fla.) and his daughter; Rep. Tom Reed (R-N.Y.) and his wife; and Reps. Ben Quayle (R-Ariz.) and Jeff Denham (R-Calif.).
In an e-mail, Reed spokesman Tim Kolpien said that the lawmaker and his wife swam with the group “appropriately clothed” and that “there was no impropriety, and he is unaware of any investigation.” Spokesmen for the other members did not return requests for comment.
In addition to Grimm, who faces a difficult reelection, the incident could prove most politically harmful for Quayle, who faces a competitive primary next week against Rep. David Schweikert (R-Ariz.).
Chris Baker, a campaign spokesman for Schweikert, said Monday that the congressman is “disappointed, but not surprised, given Congressman Quayle’s history.” Baker said Schweikert was referring to Quayle’s admission two years ago that he once used a pseudonym while writing for an adult-themed Web site.
Jesse Ferguson, a spokesman for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said Monday that reports of the incident look “more like a scene out of ‘Animal House’ than a delegation of Members of Congress representing America in Israel – one of our most important security partners.” In a statement, Ferguson also asked whether House GOP leaders were withholding any information of other investigations.
In Florida, David Bergstein, spokesman for the Florida Democratic Party, called news of Southerland’s involvement “an embarrassment to all Floridians.”
The trip, funded by American Israel Educational Foundation, ran from Aug. 13 to Aug. 21, 2011, and included lectures, tours of religious sites and meetings with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Salam Fayyad, the prime minister of the Palestinian Authority and other political figures, according to an itinerary provided Monday by AIEF.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
religious wealthy republicans both young & seniors... should all be thrown into a crack house on christmas eve buck ass naked with a cluster of gang thug zombies & dumpster divers with bad teeth & missing ears
your house ?
Godfather.
my house? um not really, sir! i've never ever saw a crack rock let alone been anywhere near a crack house. but thank you for your support, captain
I think part of the problem can be demonstrated by the contents in this thread. Here someone posts a pretty depthful argument written by an old-school conservative. He writes about how his party has become more extreme, and the other party has lost touch with how to reach the public. Then he provides a laundry list of examples to back this up - none of which are really all that refutable. He further suggests that the public have been tricked into yelling misinformed talking points back at one another. Yes, I just wrote that about something a conservative person wrote (I am going to take a shower now), and, yet, this thread has discussed relatively nothing about what was said in the article. Perhaps he was right.
I think part of the problem can be demonstrated by the contents in this thread. Here someone posts a pretty depthful argument written by an old-school conservative. He writes about how his party has become more extreme, and the other party has lost touch with how to reach the public. Then he provides a laundry list of examples to back this up - none of which are really all that refutable. He further suggests that the public have been tricked into yelling misinformed talking points back at one another. Yes, I just wrote that about something a conservative person wrote (I am going to take a shower now), and, yet, this thread has discussed relatively nothing about what was said in the article. Perhaps he was right.
He is right.
For fun, I once in a while scroll down to read the comments section in an article on CNN, an AP article on Yahoo, FoxNews (of course), or any other news site.
it is quite hilarious how people have no shame in demonstrating how an ego fueled by talking points and propaganda can destroy any semblance of rational, intelligent thought.
I think part of the problem can be demonstrated by the contents in this thread. Here someone posts a pretty depthful argument written by an old-school conservative. He writes about how his party has become more extreme, and the other party has lost touch with how to reach the public. Then he provides a laundry list of examples to back this up - none of which are really all that refutable. He further suggests that the public have been tricked into yelling misinformed talking points back at one another. Yes, I just wrote that about something a conservative person wrote (I am going to take a shower now), and, yet, this thread has discussed relatively nothing about what was said in the article. Perhaps he was right.
it highlights the level of partisan indoctrination that has permeated the public discussion
I'd say the system is the problem. Get rid of parties altogether. putting yourself in a group and being forced to be categorized as something, and then becoming that something more and more as you go along, is the issue.
fighting for the interest of a donkey over an elephant rather than the zookeeper who keeps feeding you is absolute nonsense.
Absolutely. The need for the govt, or society even, to divide us into two categories is Weapons of Mass Manipulation #1. Until we can get smarter and figure out that we're all really on the same team, nothing will ever get accomplished. Ever.
I'll agree with both of these quotes as well.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I think part of the problem can be demonstrated by the contents in this thread. Here someone posts a pretty depthful argument written by an old-school conservative. He writes about how his party has become more extreme, and the other party has lost touch with how to reach the public. Then he provides a laundry list of examples to back this up - none of which are really all that refutable. He further suggests that the public have been tricked into yelling misinformed talking points back at one another. Yes, I just wrote that about something a conservative person wrote (I am going to take a shower now), and, yet, this thread has discussed relatively nothing about what was said in the article. Perhaps he was right.
I don't have much else to say about it. It is an opinion on the state of the party, one that is shared by many. What is really up for discussion?
and it isn't the first time it has been posted. not that there is anything wrong with posting it again, but sometimes people just don't have much to add. It is an opinion piece...a good one at that. well written, and lays out a lot of what is wrong with Washington. I am glad that a conservative makes a distinction here and says that republicans are the problem, not necessarily conservatives...how they came to be synonymous i will never know but it does a disservice to conservatism.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
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Parties are made up of people and it's up to the people to change them, or else change the whole electoral system to something more like pr which will lead to more parties
religious wealthy republicans both young & seniors... should all be thrown into a crack house on christmas eve buck ass naked with a cluster of gang thug zombies & dumpster divers with bad teeth & missing ears
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
your house ?
Godfather.
let's all get NEKKED.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Godfather.
yep, this ACTUALLY happened..
do these guys know how to party or what??
gop gone wild!
Skinny-dipping in Israel: GOP lawmakers reprimanded for drinking, swimming report says
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2ch ... _blog.html
House Republican leaders reprimanded 30 lawmakers last August for antics including drinking and skinny-dipping during a fact-finding trip to Israel, according to published reports.
House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) scolded the lawmakers — many of them freshmen — and senior GOP staffers for a late-night swim in the Sea of Galilee. At least one of the lawmakers swam nude, according to a report published Sunday night by Politico. The FBI later inquired about the incident to determine whether there was any impropriety, the report said.
According to the report, Rep. Kevin Yoder (R-Kan.) took off his clothes and jumped into the sea, joining a number of partially-clothed members, some spouses and family members and the staffers, “more than a dozen sources, including eyewitnesses” told Politico.
Senior Republican aides, not authorized to speak publicly on the matter, confirmed the general outlines of the report but denied that the FBI inquired specifically about any potential impropriety.
In an e-mail, FBI spokesman Bill Carter would not confirm or deny any investigation, “nor do we confirm that interviews may have taken place with regards to that trip.”
But a law enforcement source said that the FBI may have conducted interviews that pertain to campaign finance allegations made against Rep. Michael G. Grimm (R-N.Y.), who went on the trip to Israel – and then traveled to Cyprus.
Grimm’s office has not been contacted or notified of any investigation regarding his travels to Israel or Cyprus, according to spokeswoman Carol Danko.
In a television interview Monday with a New Hampshire station, presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney called the incident “reprehensible” and “another terrible mistake by individuals.” His running mate, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), in the same interview, called the behavior “unbecoming of a member of Congress.”
Top aides to Yoder did not immediately respond to requests for comment. In a statement to Politico, Yoder said that he and his wife joined colleagues for dinner at the Sea of Galilee. “After dinner I followed some Members of Congress in a spontaneous and very brief dive into the sea and regrettably I jumped into the water without a swimsuit,” Yoder said in the statement. “It is my greatest honor to represent the people of Kansas in Congress and [for] any embarrassment I have caused for my colleagues and constituents, I apologize.”
Yoder, elected in 2010, represents the 3rd Congressional District of Kansas, which encompasses an area west of Kansas City.
The report said that other lawmakers involved in the late-night swim included Rep. Steve Southerland (R-Fla.) and his daughter; Rep. Tom Reed (R-N.Y.) and his wife; and Reps. Ben Quayle (R-Ariz.) and Jeff Denham (R-Calif.).
In an e-mail, Reed spokesman Tim Kolpien said that the lawmaker and his wife swam with the group “appropriately clothed” and that “there was no impropriety, and he is unaware of any investigation.” Spokesmen for the other members did not return requests for comment.
In addition to Grimm, who faces a difficult reelection, the incident could prove most politically harmful for Quayle, who faces a competitive primary next week against Rep. David Schweikert (R-Ariz.).
Chris Baker, a campaign spokesman for Schweikert, said Monday that the congressman is “disappointed, but not surprised, given Congressman Quayle’s history.” Baker said Schweikert was referring to Quayle’s admission two years ago that he once used a pseudonym while writing for an adult-themed Web site.
Jesse Ferguson, a spokesman for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said Monday that reports of the incident look “more like a scene out of ‘Animal House’ than a delegation of Members of Congress representing America in Israel – one of our most important security partners.” In a statement, Ferguson also asked whether House GOP leaders were withholding any information of other investigations.
In Florida, David Bergstein, spokesman for the Florida Democratic Party, called news of Southerland’s involvement “an embarrassment to all Floridians.”
The trip, funded by American Israel Educational Foundation, ran from Aug. 13 to Aug. 21, 2011, and included lectures, tours of religious sites and meetings with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Salam Fayyad, the prime minister of the Palestinian Authority and other political figures, according to an itinerary provided Monday by AIEF.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Godfather.
He is right.
For fun, I once in a while scroll down to read the comments section in an article on CNN, an AP article on Yahoo, FoxNews (of course), or any other news site.
it is quite hilarious how people have no shame in demonstrating how an ego fueled by talking points and propaganda can destroy any semblance of rational, intelligent thought.
This op-ed offends me far more as a football fan than as a non-Democrat. This is a terrible analogy.
it highlights the level of partisan indoctrination that has permeated the public discussion
I'll agree with both of these quotes as well.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I don't have much else to say about it. It is an opinion on the state of the party, one that is shared by many. What is really up for discussion?
and it isn't the first time it has been posted. not that there is anything wrong with posting it again, but sometimes people just don't have much to add. It is an opinion piece...a good one at that. well written, and lays out a lot of what is wrong with Washington. I am glad that a conservative makes a distinction here and says that republicans are the problem, not necessarily conservatives...how they came to be synonymous i will never know but it does a disservice to conservatism.
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- Joe Rogan