Obama. 4 years later.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

There are hundreds of thousands more people out of work, since Obama took office. Right?
Unemployment went from to 7.8% the day he went into office to 8.6% today. Right? At one point it was 10%.
The median household income dropped 5% (50K to 45K) since Obama took office...Right?
Americas debt has added another 6 Trillion, since Obama took office. Right?
Gas is $2 or so more a gallon since the day Obama took office. Right?

Change?
Hope?

So what the hell went wrong here?

gimmesometruth27

for starters, the republicans either blocked or would not allow a vote on most of his initiatives. they are just as guilty for obama's failures because they in part caused them.

one man, in our government can do nothing without the consent of the other 2 branches... checks and balances, checks and balances...

he is not a fucking king...

Newch91

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

for starters, the republicans either blocked or would not allow a vote on most of his initiatives. they are just as guilty for obama's failures because they in part caused them.

one man, in our government can do nothing without the consent of the other 2 branches... checks and balances, checks and balances...

he is not a fucking king...

Republicans' record number of filibusters also, but that goes with them blocking on his initiatives.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

for starters, the republicans either blocked or would not allow a vote on most of his initiatives. they are just as guilty for obama's failures because they in part caused them.

one man, in our government can do nothing without the consent of the other 2 branches... checks and balances, checks and balances...

he is not a fucking king...

I remember his BIG SPEECH the day he was elected..
I remember all the Hope and Change he promised the American people..
I remember the American people buying into his promises, hook line and sinker.

Not once do I remember him saying, " I will change this nation, if the Republicans allow me to"

gimmesometruth27

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

for starters, the republicans either blocked or would not allow a vote on most of his initiatives. they are just as guilty for obama's failures because they in part caused them.

one man, in our government can do nothing without the consent of the other 2 branches... checks and balances, checks and balances...

he is not a fucking king...

I remember his BIG SPEECH the day he was elected..
I remember all the Hope and Change he promised the American people..
I remember the American people buying into his promises, hook line and sinker.

Not once do I remember him saying, " I will change this nation, if the Republicans allow me to"

every presidential candidate in american history has said that. who has been elected saying " I AM GOING TO KEEP EVERYTHING THE EXACT SAME!!!!!!!" ??

again, he is not a king. nobody can just will shit to happen.


do you remember his speech from thursday night? he addressed your points in that speech.

mickeyrat

the other is the recession was only beginning when he was sworn in. We hadnt yet seen the worst of it.

You post these "facts" as if it were all his doing.


My view of it is, these so called job creators might, just might , make a decision regarding their business growth if they knew just what the fuck CONGRESS was going to do, since THEY are the ones who control things. If they had the juice ot do it the pres would be just a figurehead.

Its called Co-operation and compromise. This is how america is supposed to work. They continue on this "my way or no way" path , we're finished as a viable country.

Newch91

mickeyrat wrote:

the other is the recession was only beginning when he was sworn in. We hadnt yet seen the worst of it.

Great point.

QuarterToTen

How much of that 5.4 trillion dollar debt that Obama has added was spent on the war started by the previous administration?

SPEEDY MCCREADY

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

do you remember his speech from thursday night? he addressed your points in that speech.

No I did not listen to his speech Thursday.


Hey gimme.

You keep saying he is not King. But you HAVE to agree with me, that as a nation, 4 years ago, the American public acted as if this guy was the second coming of Jesus Christ. I had NEVER seen people fall in love with a political figure, like the American people fell for Obama. They seemed to believe that this very smart, educated, articulate man, was going to rescue them all, and they were going to spend the rest of their lives in Camelot.

But 4 years later, I am sure many believe they were fed a line of Bullshit, that they fell for hook line and sinker. Because bottom line?

Not a damned thing has really changed here in the good ole USA.

gimmesometruth27

the loss of jobs, years in the making which started under bush, did not bottom out until several months into obama's first term. he has had 29 straight months of private sector job growth since the bottom out.

also, how many companies have created jobs in other countries outsourced from the united states?

lukin2006

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

There are hundreds of thousands more people out of work, since Obama took office. Right?
Unemploment went from to 7.8% the day he went into office to 8.6% today. Right? At one point it was 10%.
The median household income dropped 5% (50K to 45K) since Obama took office...Right?
Americas debt has added another 6 Trillion, since Obama took office. Right?
Gas is $2 or so more a gallon since the day Obama took office. Right?

Change?
Hope?

So what the hell went wrong here?

You come to the wrong place if your looking for an unbiased answer .

gimmesometruth27

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

do you remember his speech from thursday night? he addressed your points in that speech.

No I did not listen to his speech Thursday.


Hey gimme.

You keep saying he is not King. But you HAVE to agree with me, that as a nation, 4 years ago, the American public acted as if this guy was the second coming of Jesus Christ. I had NEVER seen people fall in love with a political figure, like the American people fell for Obama. They seemed to believe that this very smart, educated, articulate man, was going to rescue them all, and they were going to spend the rest of their lives in Camelot.

But 4 years later, I am sure many believe they were fed a line of Bullshit, that they fell for hook line and sinker. Because bottom line?

Not a damned thing has really changed here in the good ole USA.

you should check out the speech.

he is not a king. it is not easy to pass ANYTHING. look at the debt ceiling debate. most people in this country AND in congress did not know what that was. they thought that was adding more debt so they voted against it, but in actuality it authorized our government to make a payment on debt that had already been accrued. as a result we got our credit downgraded and S&P, who downgraded us, specifically blamed congressional republicans for their decision.

my point? nothing can get done without approval from congress...remember when gwb said "this job would be a lot easier if it were a dictatorship....and if i were the dictator..."?? he had some opposition, but not nearly to the extent that obama has had.

i do agree with you that what was said has only partially come to pass. but you can not forget and you can not deny that the legendary opposition is not if partly but wholly to blame. and i guess after 8 years of hearing a president mumble and stumble over his words obama was an appealing candidate to a lot of people.

but you are wrong because plenty of things have changed.

brianlux

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

do you remember his speech from thursday night? he addressed your points in that speech.

No I did not listen to his speech Thursday.


Hey gimme.

You keep saying he is not King. But you HAVE to agree with me, that as a nation, 4 years ago, the American public acted as if this guy was the second coming of Jesus Christ. I had NEVER seen people fall in love with a political figure, like the American people fell for Obama. They seemed to believe that this very smart, educated, articulate man, was going to rescue them all, and they were going to spend the rest of their lives in Camelot.

But 4 years later, I am sure many believe they were fed a line of Bullshit, that they fell for hook line and sinker. Because bottom line?

Not a damned thing has really changed here in the good ole USA.

Speedy, I think the American people fell in love with hope for things to get better as much as they did the figure who represented that hope. With all the filibusterers and blocked initiatives a lot of that hope has been suppressed. Maybe someone didn't want that hope to be fulfilled in this administration.

I also place blame for some of the quelled hope on the whole system for not addressing issues like our attempts to continue living at a massively consumptive rate in a world with limited resources- but I'm sort of an outlier on that subject.

g under p

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

do you remember his speech from thursday night? he addressed your points in that speech.

No I did not listen to his speech Thursday.


Hey gimme.

You keep saying he is not King. But you HAVE to agree with me, that as a nation, 4 years ago, the American public acted as if this guy was the second coming of Jesus Christ. I had NEVER seen people fall in love with a political figure, like the American people fell for Obama. They seemed to believe that this very smart, educated, articulate man, was going to rescue them all, and they were going to spend the rest of their lives in Camelot.

But 4 years later, I am sure many believe they were fed a line of Bullshit, that they fell for hook line and sinker. Because bottom line?

Not a damned thing has really changed here in the good ole USA.

The ONLY reason SOME thought of this man to be the second coming of JC was because of his predecessor demise of this country. To the point where this country had the nerve to elect the unthinkable... to believe in and elect a black man to lead this country that's how he could be thought of as the second coming of Jesus Christ. They believed ANYONE would be better than President Bush II.

Oh BTW I did not vote for the man then but this go round I will because like BC said....if you think ANY president could have turned this country around in for years you would be truly and sadly mistaken. Ya think McCain would have done better, at best the very same as This President has done????

Peace

Dirtie_Frank

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

for starters, the republicans either blocked or would not allow a vote on most of his initiatives. they are just as guilty for obama's failures because they in part caused them.

one man, in our government can do nothing without the consent of the other 2 branches... checks and balances, checks and balances...

he is not a fucking king...

Wan't the congress Democratic controlled during his first 2 years?

LikeAnOcean

Speedy, why do people keep blaming Obama for gas prices?

I seem to remember paying almost $5 a gallon in Chicago when Bush was in office. It definitely came up a lot since Clinton left.

LikeAnOcean

http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/wp- ... 8-2011.jpg

Conservatives have short term memories about gas prices...

SPEEDY MCCREADY

LikeAnOcean wrote:

http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/gas-prices-graph-1998-2011.jpg

Conservatives have short term memories about gas prices...

When Barack Obama took over in 2009 gas cost an average of $1.85 per gallon. Now that average cost is $3.87 per gallon!

DriftingByTheStorm

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/gas-prices-graph-1998-2011.jpg

Conservatives have short term memories about gas prices...

When Barack Obama took over in 2009 gas cost an average of $1.85 per gallon. Now that average cost is $3.87 per gallon!

The Federal Reserve is an INDEPENDENT agency.
Obama is not the Money-Printer-In-Chief
Sorry to burst your (debt) bubble.

titchinello

First thing i thought when i saw this thread title was - has it really been 4 years, I was sure it was just last year he became president.... man time flys when your haveing fun i guess.

here's a dedication not sure if its apt or not, as i'm UK and don't know much of USA politics etc but what the hell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZrY9T6jJAc

gimmesometruth27

the president has nothing to do with gas prices. he can't wave a magic wand and make them under $2.50. why did so many conservatives on here scoff at bachmann when she said she would do that in the debate? because they knew that there is nothing the president can do to control gas prices...

and by the way, domestic drilling is way up under obama compared to any other president in recent history....drill baby drill!!!

kenny olav

Newch91 wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

the other is the recession was only beginning when he was sworn in. We hadnt yet seen the worst of it.

Great point.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. And the fact is, the economy has been improving... slowly, but steadily. If Republicans in the House hadn't spent the last two years trying to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and instead had worked with the President and Democrats on their jobs bill, we could be doing much better already.

And I'm sorry but the idea that Romney and the Republicans can do better is laughable.

Who Princess

4 years ago I thought Obama was OK. Not great, just OK. There really weren't any candidates in 2008 that I could get excited about it.

I've been disappointed in some of the things he's done. But I'm also disappointed in the Supreme Court (like Citizens United) and I'm REALLY disgusted with Congress.

But as for the whole "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?" I can say HELL YES. I was out of work 4 years ago. I now have a great job that I really enjoy. My husband decided to change jobs 2 years ago and has a much better job now too.

Do I give Obama credit for all this? Of course not. There's still things I don't like about him but they're not deal breakers. Do I think Romney could make things better? No way.

LikeAnOcean

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/gas-prices-graph-1998-2011.jpg

Conservatives have short term memories about gas prices...

When Barack Obama took over in 2009 gas cost an average of $1.85 per gallon. Now that average cost is $3.87 per gallon!

It was 1.85 for like a month! I got it at Thortons for a 1.79!

It slowly rose for the 8 years Bush was in office to over $4 a few summers. It dropped like a few months before his last term ended freakishly.

People used to bitch at Bush about gas prices and now they are bitching at Obama. I don't see the logic.

EdsonNascimento

2 years control of both houses.

Lowest % of people in labor market since September 1981 and yet still 8.1% unemployment.

95% of African Americans voting for him

Those are the facts. Without item 3 this election wouldn't even be in question.

Bye, bye.

Bennyorr4

Gas is wayyyyy cheaper in the states. It about $5 bucks a gallon($1.20/litre) in Canada so quit your bitchin and get a little perspective. It could be worse.

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

for starters, the republicans

So fuckng predictable.

gimmesometruth27

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

for starters, the republicans

So fuckng predictable.

Got a rebuttal big guy?

Didn't think so.....

Carry on....

inlet13

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

for starters, the republicans

Worst in MT. And that's saying something.

Pom-poms a'wavin high. Go B.O.! Go!

gimmesometruth27

inlet13 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

for starters, the republicans

Worst in MT. And that's saying something.

Pom-poms a'wavin high. Go B.O.! Go!

prove me wrong for everyone here.

thanks in advance...

:corn:

gimmesometruth27

EdsonNascimento wrote:

2 years control of both houses.

Lowest % of people in labor market since September 1981 and yet still 8.1% unemployment.

95% of African Americans voting for him

Those are the facts. Without item 3 this election wouldn't even be in question.

Bye, bye.

http://www.thepragmaticpundit.com/2011/ ... r-two.html

Here are the facts:

Apparently everyone forgot the President needed 60 votes in the Senate to pass legislation. I heard a Latino news reporter say they felt if the President could pass healthcare, he could have passed immigration reform. Newsflash!! The healthcare bill was passed using "reconciliation", because there were not 60 Democrats in the Senate.

Immigration, Gay Rights could not be passed with the same process because it is reserved for budgetary matters. You'd think a reporter would know this stuff. The Stimulus was hijacked by the Republicans and job-creating measures were traded for tax cuts because...there were not 60 Democratic votes to pass it.

Apparently no one remembers that Scott Brown was sworn into office in February of 2010. At that time, the President had only been in office for ONE year. Most folks remember that the election of Scott Brown reduced the number of Democratic senators to 59. So the President could not have possibly had Congressional control for two years.

Here's the timeline:

When the election dust settled, Democrats had won 59 seats; the Republicans 41.

January 20, 2009 - After suffering a seizure during Barack Obama's inaugural luncheon, Senator Kennedy’s health forced him to retreat to Massachusetts. Also Senator Al Franken of Minnesota had not been seated because the previous Senator, Norm Coleman challenged the election results.


So at the beginning of his Presidency, Democrats had 57 elected senators…55 Democrats and 2 Independents.

Why do you think he had to compromise with Republicans on the Stimulus bill? He didn’t have enough Democrats to pass the bill! Why don't you people who moan such disappointment know this?

April 28, 2009 news outlets issued the following report:

Republican Sen. Arlen Specter has switched parties, which would give Democrats a filibuster-proof 60 seats. You do remember the filibuster? The Republicans employed it more than in any time in history for the express purpose of stalling legislation.


Despite the fact that the media hailed the party switch of Arlen Specter and claimed it gave Democrats a filibuster-proof Senate, the Minnesota seat still remained vacant. The Senate had 56 sitting Democratic members and 2 Independents. Technically, the Senate was two members short, but I'm counting Senator Kennedy even though he was at home ill because he did cast a vote in June. 59

May 15, 2009 Senator Robert Byrd was admitted to the hospital reducing the number of sitting Senators to 55 Democratic members and 2 Independents.

July 7, 2009 Al Franken (D) was sworn in after the election dispute over the Minnesota seat was decided in his favor. Senator Kennedy continued to recuperate at his home in Massachusetts and was unable to cast any more votes; Senator Byrd was still in the hospital. The Senate had 56 sitting Democratic members and 2 Independents. 58



July 21, 2009 Senator Byrd returned to the Senate making the count 59 seats. No Senator Kennedy.

Senator Kennedy died August 25, 2009.

The Kennedy seat was vacant from August 25 - September 24 when Paul G. Kirk was appointed to occupy his seat until the completion of a special election. The swearing-in of Kirk gave the Democrats a 60-seat majority.


Democrats had a 60 seat majority from September 24, 2009 thru February 4, 2010. 4 months; not 2 years!!

This does not account for the number of days Congress was not even in session during that time. If one subtracts the number of days Congress was out, the time that President Obama had a Democratic majority in Congress is further reduced by more than 30 days, or another full month.

Of a possible 94 legislative days during that period, the Senate was only in session for 67 days, while the House only labored for 54.

Democrats lost their 60 seat majority when Republican Scott Brown of Massachusetts was sworn into office in February of 2010.





But here's the most important detail that no one ever mentions:

REPUBLICANS CONTROLLED THE HOUSE, SENATE AND PRESIDENCY (BUSH) FROM 2001 TO 2007! SIX YEARS!

What purpose does the media serve? And why are Americans so damned dumb and easily led? This isn’t some obscure fact, but no one gets it right. It's pathetic!

As for Morning Joe, I guess that’s what I get for watching that stupid crap. I suppose I should count my blessings…. at least I missed Peggy Noonan swooning orgasmically about that damned economy-crasher Ronald Reagan.



Correction:


I state that the Republicans held the House, Senate and White House for six years. They actually only held the position for 4 consecutive years. I failed to account for the fact that in 2001 Senator James Jeffords of Vermont switched from the Republican Party to the Independent Party and caucused with the Democrats, giving the Democrats a one seat majority.