Obama Report Card
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... /obameter/
The Obameter Scorecard
Promise Kept 190 (37%)
Compromise 72 (14%)
Promise Broken 83 (16%)
Stalled 49 (10%)
In the Works 112 (22%)
Not yet rated 2 (0%)
Just a few:
Invest $50 billion in auto manufacturing facilities for fuel efficient vehicles - In the works
Improve high school graduation rates - In the works
Bring Democrats and Republicans together to pass an agenda - Broken
Secure the borders - Compromise
Cut the cost of a typical family's health insurance premium by up to $2,500 a year - Broken
Require production of more biofuels - Compromise
Devote federal resources to promote cellulosic ethanol - Broken
Provide tax credits for automakers to build fuel-efficient cars - Kept
Cap interest rates on payday loans and improve disclosure - Kept
Require new federal fleet purchases to be half plug-in hybrids or electric vehicles - Broken
Upgrade nation's infrastructure through new partnership with state and local government - Compromise
There are related links for:
economy http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... s/economy/
military (kept a lot of these) http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... /military/
energy http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... ts/energy/
taxes http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... cts/taxes/
The Obameter Scorecard
Promise Kept 190 (37%)
Compromise 72 (14%)
Promise Broken 83 (16%)
Stalled 49 (10%)
In the Works 112 (22%)
Not yet rated 2 (0%)
Just a few:
Invest $50 billion in auto manufacturing facilities for fuel efficient vehicles - In the works
Improve high school graduation rates - In the works
Bring Democrats and Republicans together to pass an agenda - Broken
Secure the borders - Compromise
Cut the cost of a typical family's health insurance premium by up to $2,500 a year - Broken
Require production of more biofuels - Compromise
Devote federal resources to promote cellulosic ethanol - Broken
Provide tax credits for automakers to build fuel-efficient cars - Kept
Cap interest rates on payday loans and improve disclosure - Kept
Require new federal fleet purchases to be half plug-in hybrids or electric vehicles - Broken
Upgrade nation's infrastructure through new partnership with state and local government - Compromise
There are related links for:
economy http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... s/economy/
military (kept a lot of these) http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... /military/
energy http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... ts/energy/
taxes http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... cts/taxes/
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very interesting
yeah it would.. every president would have the same bad scores also. Can't even imagine Mr. Bush's mark's
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it would interesting to compare.
Maybe just me but I didn't think President Obama's were bad scores. It's not easy that's for sure.
They get the glory and the blame....
is there a song like that?
but how does this one constitute a broken promise on his part? seemed like he did everything except bend over to try to get them on board.
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Good question, I wondered that myself when I saw it. Each entry on that page has a link at the bottom of each paragraph that goes into more detail of each promise. Here's what was there:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... pass-agen/
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Record-setting partisan divide
Updated: Friday, August 31st, 2012 | By J.B. Wogan
While campaigning for the presidency in 2008, Barack Obama said he would "turn the page on the ugly partisanship in Washington” and pass a bipartisan agenda in Congress.
Instead, Congress set records last year for just how polarized it has become.
One way to measure the partisanship by looking at how many partisan votes -- votes where majorities from each party in the House and Senate vote against each other -- have taken place during the most recent congressional session. Since 1953, Congressional Quarterly has tracked those votes, and its tallies show extreme levels of partisanship.
The House, led by a Republican majority that includes a slate of tea party members elected for the first time in 2010, set a record for the frequency of these party-line votes.
The Senate, where Democrats were in charge, held far fewer partisan votes, but the average Democratic senator fell in line with his or her party's majority more than any time in the last five decades -- another record.
Not only isn't Congress passing a bipartisan agenda, it isn't passing any comprehensive agenda, said James Muirhead, Jr., a political science professor at Dartmouth University.
So far, the current Congress has passed 61 bills into law, putting it on pace to be the least productive since 1947, according to an analysis by USA Today.
The parties have found common ground on "small bore things,” such as reforming the Food and Drug Administration and reaching a free-trade agreements with South Korea, Colombia and Panama, said James Thurber, a presidential scholar at American University and author of the book Obama in Office.
But those measures have been overshadowed by contentious fights over the federal budget.
It's not clear how much Obama tried to engender a bipartisan mood in Washington.
"I don't think Obama ever brought the Republicans up to the White House in the way that (President Bill Clinton) would,” said Sean Theriault, a political scientist from University of Texas at Austin. "It's unlikely it would have helped, but he didn't try as hard as he could have.”
For proof that Obama made an effort, supporters point to tax cuts in his economic stimulus package, a proposal for universal health care originally conceived by conservatives and the appointments of Republicans as his secretaries of transportation and defense.
But by and large, his stimulus package and health care reforms ran against the ideological grain of mainstream conservatism, and the vast majority of his department heads are Democrats.
Political scientists Norman Ornstein and Thomas Mann, who work for moderate left and right-leaning research institutes, say the stalemate in Congress is the Republicans' fault. They published a book in April about unprecedented polarization in Congress called "It's Even Worse Than It Looks: How the American Constitutional System Collided With the New Politics of Extremism.”
"It was a conscious decision not to cooperate (with Obama) no matter what,” Norman Ornstein said in an interview. "It's not clear to me there was a whole lot he could have done otherwise."
Here at the Obameter, though, we measure outcomes, not intentions. Obama said he would "bring Democrats and Republicans together to pass an agenda.” That hasn't happened. We rate this Promise Broken.
i suspect that bush's scorecard would look pretty good ... the problem isn't in keeping promises - the problem is making stupid promises ...
Id think across the board, whether tea party, republican, democrat, or more left wing radical, independant, most people arent happy with obama, are angry at obama no matter where they fall politically (tea party/occupy wall street), and so they are voting for the other guy.
Also reguarding kept promises Obama promised to get the troops out as his first act as president. We know that didnt happen. The problem in terms of promises and Obama is people seemed to consider Obama something he never was. They hoped, naively I feel, he would be different, and a new kind of president. He clearly isnt, and never was. So alot of the promises, are just like the expectations, imagined, and a product of obamas ingenius campaign.
Obama ran on hope and change, and its not a coincidence those 2 are things every human on planet earth agrees with and thinks is good, but its also EXTREMELY vague. Which isnt a coincidence either. Hope. Hope for what? Change. Changing of what?
hope for a better america, and change of the guard. as in McCain would have been GWB II.
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the amount of time and money that is wasted on nothing but political posturing is unbelievable in the US. In Canada, an election is called if the PM wants one, or if a vote of no confidence passes in the house of commons, or if his term is up, whichever comes first, and 6 weeks later the votes are in. SIX WEEKS.
streamline the process, America, streamline.
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I would have to say the process, as frustrating as it seems, has the served the US, it's citiznes, and others in the Western World pretty well so far.
He had a change of heart
He was never intent on closing Gitmo. He just wanted it moved to the US. That's a fact. Gitmo serves a purpose and should never be closed. I don;t care where it is.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -democrats
Really?!?! You think Obama v Romney is a worse choice than Bush v Kerry? :shock:
From what I remember of Obama's campaign he spoke about pulling troops out of Iraq and surging in Afganistan.
thats pretty vague. Hoping for a better america and a changing of the guard could and does mean somethign different to every single person in america. My point is Obama never expanded beyond the basic terms, hop e and change to tell us what he would and we would hope for and what we would change. That was deliberate, planned, and a master strategy because it got him elected. Sadly though it had major consequences.
It was clear though that the hope and change was aimed as you say at suggested obama was going to be different than Bush. Anyone who knows about the last 4 years can clearly tell you Bush and Obama are pretty much identical in foreign policy, reguarding torture, reguarding wiretapping, reguarding race and civil rights, civil liberties, the environment, support of israel and on and on.
all im saying is i dont feel represented by either Romney nor Obama and dont feel like any of the issues that mean something to me-getting the economy back on track, putting millions of people to work, someone who knows the feeling of being out of work and not being able to find a job, withdrawl of troops from Afghanistan etc... Neither of the candidates will address those issues. And in that sense yes, as I said, we have so many other qualified and brilliant people who COULD be great presidents, and none are running.
I agree he was never going to close gitmo. Another example of how Bush and Obama are the same. I argued in another thread Bush and Obamas views on torture are essentially the same, except Obama was more militant. Stand by that, and this proves the point. Torture is wrong no matter what president stands idly by and approves it. Gitmo and all other detention centers should be shut down immediately.
Torture is not wrong when it betters the country. Those aren't "speeders" and "pick pockets" being held at Gitmo.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... -democrats[/quote]
I agree he was never going to close gitmo. Another example of how Bush and Obama are the same. I argued in another thread Bush and Obamas views on torture are essentially the same, except Obama was more militant. Stand by that, and this proves the point. Torture is wrong no matter what president stands idly by and approves it. Gitmo and all other detention centers should be shut down immediately.[/quote]
Torture is not wrong when it betters the country. Those aren't "speeders" and "pick pockets" being held at Gitmo.[/quote]
thats actually inaccruate. they are accused or suspected terrorists. And thats a hard thing to define because anyone could be a suspected terrorist. Every person or suspect should be given a lawyer, access to that lawyer, given their proper day in court, and should be told what they are being charged with. Thats not how it works at Gitmo nor at these other detention centers. Its beyond Orwellian to lock someone up and not tell them what they are being charged with beyond "suspected terrorist". Torture is pointless and ineffective. We all have a breaking point. If I am being tortured hard enough, especially if those torturing me are from a different country and speaking a different language and have no real grasp of the culture, its easy to understand why someone would confess to a crime they didnt commit. Lets be clear, the torture tactics are meant to do exactly as the name implies...torture the person in custody. Waterboarding from those who experience it, feels like you are drowning. Its clear in that situation, that you feel you may be drowned, to make it stop, you'd do the only thing that would get you out of the situation, which is to confess to something you didnt do. Thats the faulty nature of it. You torture until you get a confession. Its not lets feel this suspect out and figure out if they know the info. Its-they know and if we torture them enough they will reveal info. Beyond that Its unconstitutional and breaks the Geneva code. Its illegal.
In Boondock Saints theres a great scene with Chris Penn and he's being tortured and one of the guys says, "what if he really is innocent and we are torturing him for nothing".
torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity.
True that they aren't speeders and pick pockets, because you would need evidence via radar gun to get caught speeding, and you would need to be in possession of a stolen wallet to be a pickpocket. What evidence is required to get put in Gtimo?
ok, let me rephrase. did he not SAY he was going to close gitmo?
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of course it was vague. all catchy slogans are easy, memorable, and vague. and being different to all and every american was the POINT, in my opinion. he wanted to appeal to the dreams and aspirations of everyone. every president has to do that in order to get elected. Politics is nothing more than self-marketing.
I honestly believe, no matter what people are saying about him now, that his intention was to be much different than his predecesor, and I do believe he is/was different than him. For one, he's 100 times more intelligent than GWB. Second, Bush Jr didn't give a fuck about foreign relations. He cared about one thing: making american feel as if, no matter what, they are superior to the rest of the world, which is why he appealed to so many people, because, for better or worse, that is part of american culture-to be the best at any cost. GWB did a lot for the collective ego of america after 9/11, with the help of Rudy. He brought them back up when they felt defeated and deflated.
I think Obama had a lot of lofty goals that were doomed from day one, since everything he wanted to do would have taken all houses of government to be democrat.
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Enough evidence to be put in Gitmo. The prisoners aren't detained there for no reason. To think the government just picks random people to detain and question there, quite frankly, is ridiculous. Since 2002 and of this past July, 779 people have been detained at Gitmo. Roughly 78 a year.
torture is ALWAYS wrong. it doesnt better a country/society. it debases the tortured and the torturer. and brings into question the morality of anyone who condones such actions.
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So if a suspected terrosit was detained and questioned prior to 9/11 and gave the US information that prevented the thousands killed that day that would be a bad thing? I wonder how much good info the US has gotten from people at Gitmo? Perhaps even led to the killing of Osama? Perhaps even preventing situations in other countries? And for people to think the US is the only country doing this is ridicluous.
you want to base your argument on retrospect?? what ifs arent a real solid basis on which to defend a point. tis like all those people who say well if i was on that plane or if i was armed whenever there is a shooting tragedy. the fact is the US govt did have information that someone was targetting the US and they didnt act. true they didnt have specifics but they made no effort to tighten security at airports(or anywhere else) just in case, despite the US having been the victim of a terrorist bomb not many years before so....what if theyd taken that threat seriously? would that not have saved thousands of lives too? oh and ive no doubt the US isnt the only country that tortures people.
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