Something funny about MIA

DewieCox

I'm with the op on this one. If you're gonna spout off shit from the stage to try and get a rise out of the crowd/preach make sure you're doing what you can to help the change. Sure it's 1000 jackets, but that's 1000 jackets that didn't have to be made in China.

Unfortunately this type of hypocrisy is becoming more and more common in the PJ camp.

SVRDhand13

DewieCox wrote:

I'm with the op on this one. If you're gonna spout off shit from the stage to try and get a rise out of the crowd/preach make sure you're doing what you can to help the change. Sure it's 1000 jackets, but that's 1000 jackets that didn't have to be made in China.

Unfortunately this type of hypocrisy is becoming more and more common in the PJ camp.

I bet EV doesnt even know that those jackets were made in China. Hell, I'd bet he doesnt even know those jackets exist .

Go Beavers

DewieCox wrote:

I'm with the op on this one. If you're gonna spout off shit from the stage to try and get a rise out of the crowd/preach make sure you're doing what you can to help the change. Sure it's 1000 jackets, but that's 1000 jackets that didn't have to be made in China.

Unfortunately this type of hypocrisy is becoming more and more common in the PJ camp.

I'm not a textile expert, but it could be very likely that the lumberjack shirt couldn't be made in the U.S. I've heard it's very hard for American clothing companies to have their stuff be made exclusively in the U.S. and I've only seen it with cotton t-shirts and some wool clothing. Certainly we can all picture the bitching if the lumberjack shirt was $170, but made in the U.S.

It's not the first thing sold by the band that was made in China, which is why I find all the comments about it interesting. I checked a couple shirts, one made in Honduras, and another in Indonesia, and my backpack is made in China.

Edit:backpack is made in Vietnam

DewieCox

Go Beavers wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

I'm with the op on this one. If you're gonna spout off shit from the stage to try and get a rise out of the crowd/preach make sure you're doing what you can to help the change. Sure it's 1000 jackets, but that's 1000 jackets that didn't have to be made in China.

Unfortunately this type of hypocrisy is becoming more and more common in the PJ camp.

Certainly we can all picture the bitching if the lumberjack shirt was $170, but made in the U.S.

It's not the first thing sold by the band that was made in China, which is why I find all the comments about it interesting. I checked a couple shirts, one made in Honduras, and another in Indonesia, and my backpack is made in China.

Fair point, but I think the bitching would be justified if it was $170 even made in the states.

Then EV shouldn't be preaching from the stage about it.

Tboz51

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

(And I'm not saying that China is the ideal country to get the merch from.)

But all this "they are an american rockband and their merch should only be made here and the have sold out making the merch in another country" bullshit...

Vedder wanting more jobs (and I'm guessing he talks about politicial actions here) in the USA and making a jacket in another country does not stand against eachother enought to warrant some "I'm leaving the 10C and how dare they have something to do with the evil communist China!"-threats.

The lead singer of our band does not practice what he preaches.

This stuff is on the most part a fast cash grab. If he truly cared about American jobs he would not purchase anything over seas.

EVERYTHING they buy should be American after the long long long lines of show rants about how jobs should stay.

Everything else is unimportant. No one needs a jacket this badly.

This is to quickly sell a cheaply made item for grossly over profit.

Regardless if all of them know, or none of them know they are even selling it... This is Pearl Jams CLUB>>>

The End of this argument.

Could care less about the jacket, shirts, posters whatever... DO NOT preach on thing and DO another....

STOP talking about jobs in AMERICA as you SELL CHINESE CRAP!

Magnitude

Tboz51 wrote:

The lead singer of our band does not practice what he preaches.

This stuff is on the most part a fast cash grab. If he truly cared about American jobs he would not purchase anything over seas.

EVERYTHING they buy should be American after the long long long lines of show rants about how jobs should stay.

Everything else is unimportant. No one needs a jacket this badly.

This is to quickly sell a cheaply made item for grossly over profit.

Regardless if all of them know, or none of them know they are even selling it... This is Pearl Jams CLUB>>>

The End of this argument.

Could care less about the jacket, shirts, posters whatever... DO NOT preach on thing and DO another....

STOP talking about jobs in AMERICA as you SELL CHINESE CRAP!

mydogmookieblaylock

I thought it was a really cool way to get to the tag line "Made in America" --- so at that point i screamed YEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! because i was at a rock and roll show - where its okay to be excited by every little thing and scream your lungs out and dance like a fool.

Do i really give a shit what is being said up there ---- no.
Would it have been cooler if he would have said something about everyone leaving and having sex so we could have a bunch of Made in America babies Made in America! ....... yeah probably
but then you would have been all over him for being shallow.

Poor ol Eddie --- he just can't win

TheDecline13

Magnitude wrote:

I know you're focusing on the jacket and maybe the zip-up at the show but it is worth pointing out that all of the t-shirts they sold at MIA ($30) are made in the US. However, you do have a greater point and I think the debate is worth having considering that Ed decides to use the stage as a soapbox for his views and ideals. If the zip-up at MIA was made in china and sold for $60, I'd rather it be made on an American Apparel zip-up and sold for $70. Also, American Apparel sweatshirts are great quality so I don't mind paying for something I consider a superior product.

Remember too that the posters were made in America so all things considered more merch sold at MIA was made in America than anywhere else which I think is worth praising.

My 2 cents.

POP POP!

That is a very good thing to note about the shirts. Thanks for the call out. I did not know all the shirts were MIA (see what I did there hahah) I only bought 2 of the same shirt 1 for myself and the other for the wife.

And I am glad you see my point. I can listen to Ed talk all day, but I also have the right to point out bullshit, I do it to everyone, so why stop here?

TheDecline13

Spiritual_Chaos wrote:

(And I'm not saying that China is the ideal country to get the merch from.)

But all this "they are an american rockband and their merch should only be made here and the have sold out making the merch in another country" bullshit...

Vedder wanting more jobs (and I'm guessing he talks about politicial actions here) in the USA and making a jacket in another country does not stand against eachother enought to warrant some "I'm leaving the 10C and how dare they have something to do with the evil communist China!"-threats.

For the record I never said I was leaving the 10c nor did I call China evil..

TheDecline13

Magnitude wrote:

Tboz51 wrote:

The lead singer of our band does not practice what he preaches.

This stuff is on the most part a fast cash grab. If he truly cared about American jobs he would not purchase anything over seas.

EVERYTHING they buy should be American after the long long long lines of show rants about how jobs should stay.

Everything else is unimportant. No one needs a jacket this badly.

This is to quickly sell a cheaply made item for grossly over profit.

Regardless if all of them know, or none of them know they are even selling it... This is Pearl Jams CLUB>>>

The End of this argument.

Could care less about the jacket, shirts, posters whatever... DO NOT preach on thing and DO another....

STOP talking about jobs in AMERICA as you SELL CHINESE CRAP!

hahaha awesome

mtolan514

That's not just Pearl Jam, it's everyone. You can support American jobs but still have Chinese made clothing. Do you think that we should have more jobs in America? Have you ever said that you think we should have more jobs in America as opposed to other countries? I'm sure you do, and I'm sure you have. Where are the clothes you're wearing from? I'm going to guess it's made in China, because it probably is. Why does Eddie Vedder suddenly get more shit for it than you? You're supporting over-seas jobs JUST AS MUCH AS HE IS by buying the clothes. You're supporting it just as much as he is. Just because he's more public and vocal about opposing it (because he has that ability) doesn't mean he can't have clothing products made in China. Furthermore, there are much better ways to support American jobs than getting clothes manufactured in the US. One of them is voting. Voting for politicians, local and national, who do a good job of creating American jobs. So do that instead of whining.

TheDecline13

mydogmookieblaylock wrote:

I thought it was a really cool way to get to the tag line "Made in America" --- so at that point i screamed YEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! because i was at a rock and roll show - where its okay to be excited by every little thing and scream your lungs out and dance like a fool.

Do i really give a shit what is being said up there ---- no.
Would it have been cooler if he would have said something about everyone leaving and having sex so we could have a bunch of Made in America babies Made in America! ....... yeah probably
but then you would have been all over him for being shallow.

Poor ol Eddie --- he just can't win

Hes the one that said it I just pointed it out, I never put him down for saying anything

dimitrispearljam

i prefer usa ,china,russia,germany,stop producing guns and im ok with t-shirts from china or whereever..
u guys make sound this china jacket is the worst thing in the planet,and our universe depence from it..

TheDecline13

mtolan514 wrote:

That's not just Pearl Jam, it's everyone. You can support American jobs but still have Chinese made clothing. Do you think that we should have more jobs in America? Have you ever said that you think we should have more jobs in America as opposed to other countries? I'm sure you do, and I'm sure you have. Where are the clothes you're wearing from? I'm going to guess it's made in China, because it probably is. Why does Eddie Vedder suddenly get more shit for it than you? You're supporting over-seas jobs JUST AS MUCH AS HE IS by buying the clothes. You're supporting it just as much as he is. Just because he's more public and vocal about opposing it (because he has that ability) doesn't mean he can't have clothing products made in China. Furthermore, there are much better ways to support American jobs than getting clothes manufactured in the US. One of them is voting. Voting for politicians, local and national, who do a good job of creating American jobs. So do that instead of whining.

So Ed cant be called out on somethings? Is he too good for that? I do vote I was just bringing some light to the subject.

I also never said they couldn't make there clothes in China. I still bought the jacket and would buy it again cuz its pretty bad ass IMO

mfc2006

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i prefer usa ,china,russia,germany,stop producing guns and im ok with t-shirts from china or whereever..
u guys make sound this china jacket is the worst thing in the planet,and our universe depence from it..

well said.

TheDecline13

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i prefer usa ,china,russia,germany,stop producing guns and im ok with t-shirts from china or whereever..
u guys make sound this china jacket is the worst thing in the planet,and our universe depence from it..

Where does it say that the jacket is the worse thing on the planet? I own it and love it and plan on wearing the shit out of it when it gets cold...

dimitrispearljam

TheDecline13 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i prefer usa ,china,russia,germany,stop producing guns and im ok with t-shirts from china or whereever..
u guys make sound this china jacket is the worst thing in the planet,and our universe depence from it..

Where does it say that the jacket is the worse thing on the planet? I own it and love it and plan on wearing the shit out of it when it gets cold...

great..enjoy it..im not talking about your coment..is in general the talking on the forum..
seems we dont have other serious problems,so we end up talking for shirts and jackets,like is the most important thing in the planet,and China is the evil..
the same people talking about rights and usa jobs,bought aircontition for japan,mobile from china,watch from taiwan,flashlight from hong kong...
we need a tour and new record and all will forget this in a minute..

fall by the wayside

"IF YOU HATE SOMETHING DON"T YOU DO IT TOO"

This is why people want to have this discussion. It never ceases to amaze me how blind defenders of the band come out of the woodwork to marginalize and dismiss any critique that paints PJ in an unflattering way, no matter how legitimate it may be. No one said it was the worst thing on the planet. No one said they weren't a fan of the band anymore. No one said there aren't bigger problems in the world. Just trying to have a discussion on something that, on the surface, appears to be hypocritical. For a band that taught me to question the world around me, and stand up for what I think is right, there sure can be a lack of critical thinking around this place sometimes.

mtolan514

TheDecline13 wrote:

mtolan514 wrote:

That's not just Pearl Jam, it's everyone. You can support American jobs but still have Chinese made clothing. Do you think that we should have more jobs in America? Have you ever said that you think we should have more jobs in America as opposed to other countries? I'm sure you do, and I'm sure you have. Where are the clothes you're wearing from? I'm going to guess it's made in China, because it probably is. Why does Eddie Vedder suddenly get more shit for it than you? You're supporting over-seas jobs JUST AS MUCH AS HE IS by buying the clothes. You're supporting it just as much as he is. Just because he's more public and vocal about opposing it (because he has that ability) doesn't mean he can't have clothing products made in China. Furthermore, there are much better ways to support American jobs than getting clothes manufactured in the US. One of them is voting. Voting for politicians, local and national, who do a good job of creating American jobs. So do that instead of whining.

So Ed cant be called out on somethings? Is he too good for that? I do vote I was just bringing some light to the subject.

I also never said they couldn't make there clothes in China. I still bought the jacket and would buy it again cuz its pretty bad ass IMO

With all the annoying ranting about the band's "questionable ethics" right now, it's just getting supremely obnoxious. It seems like people are just getting extremely picky and prickly about issues they haven't had any qualms about before--ready to pounce on the band for anything. You might make a good point, maybe Eddie could have said "let's get the jackets made in the US", but let's put these situations into context. Jackets were made, probably weeks or months ago. Band probably has no input on them, doesn't even think about them. Fast-forward to MIA, Eddie says he supports keeping jobs in America, in a concert atmosphere, to a crowd, at a gig called "Made in America". If we treated everything Eddie Vedder says during shows so seriously as people are doing now...god help us all. The man makes no sense so much. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive him for not considering that an article of clothing his band sells might be made in China when he was slightly intoxicated and playing to several thousand people.

FURTHERMORE, I'm a bit of a realist, and I argue that a clothes-manufacturing US is not the US we are anymore. We live in a global society, in a very compartmentalized society. One thing is produced in Brazil, another in China, another in Indonesia, and it's all assembled in Taiwan. We don't live in the 1960s anymore. There are other nations in this world besides the USSR and the USA, and a lot of them have different labor laws. Face it. America should focus on keeping the jobs we can affordably, realistically and practically keep. I don't see clothes fitting the bill on that one. This isn't a diatribe against you, and I don't know what EV's thoughts are on this, but it's what I think and makes his "hypocrisy" a little more justified.

P.S. I'm not a "Blind defender of the band". I'm a firm believer in that people make mistakes and people are imperfect. What I see from so many people here is something quite the opposite--in fact, people hold this band to unreasonable god standards, and any deviation from that is sinful and should be picked apart and made to seem as if it's the end of the world. I think this is a non-issue, therefore, because sometimes bands (which are made up of *gasp* people) do things that are extremely indirectly hypocritical. I don't think it should bother the OP nearly as much as it did.

dimitrispearljam

fall by the wayside wrote:

"IF YOU HATE SOMETHING DON"T YOU DO IT TOO"

This is why people want to have this discussion. It never ceases to amaze me how blind defenders of the band come out of the woodwork to marginalize and dismiss any critique that paints PJ in an unflattering way, no matter how legitimate it may be. No one said it was the worst thing on the planet. No one said they weren't a fan of the band anymore. No one said there aren't bigger problems in the world. Just trying to have a discussion on something that, on the surface, appears to be hypocritical. For a band that taught me to question the world around me, and stand up for what I think is right, there sure can be a lack of critical thinking around this place sometimes.

we did..days now..people care more for a guy's beard than how the jacket looks..just to point negative shit..
pj no need anyone aproval or support to do what they do..
they sell jackets from china,they will not ask you or me..
there is a thread about mike solo of black at mia festival that was unreal and 5 people only post..
and we have 10 thread about a jacket from china..
and no pj taught me to question the world,and stand up..my country history of 10000 years ,the one brought democracy,mathematics,medical to the world,My Ancestors ,my parents, school,,are more important than a rock band..
Blind defender of the band my ass..its a rock band that i love their music..im not gona analyse all their moves..
they can do whatever the fuck they want..
if i can afford,and still like them,ill go their shows and buy they records
'i didnt sign any contract with them,ill love them for ever..
i just dont wake up in the morning and try to find the detail of the detail,to say that they arent the same anymore and they are not the rebels i dream they was..
i just put their records and listen them.