Is it because everyone here already agrees the topic originally posted is absurd? Anyone think it's an ok idea?
nope ! the guy killed his wife and now wants the state to pay for his wacadictaoffame ? no dice.. and chances are if this story makes into the prison his time is short anyway.
Not going to try to get into an argument with anyone who is clearly looking for an outlet to be obtuse.
But the prison populations exploded when "for profit" prisons were opened. The owners lobbied for more laws, longer sentences and therefore more prisons to house people who had stolen three pieces of pizza for life. Or had sex without revealing they were HIV+. Or didn't have their passport while being Latino in Arizona.
As you were.
If someone with HIV has sex with another person and doesn't inform that person, whether you use protection or not, should rot in jail.
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he strangled his wife and dumped her body ...
why should he have ever been allowed to have hormones, hair removal etc?
:wtf:
He had no compassion for a woman that trusted him. He is a murderer.
I bet you got all tingly and excited saying "he" over and over, didn't you?
Nobody is defending the crime or the criminal.
it is true "he's" always make me tingle a bit
Understandable, only this particular individual is a she. We can try to be respectful and understanding of transgendered individuals as the topic is discussed. What a snarky title to the article btw.
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I bet you got all tingly and excited saying "he" over and over, didn't you?
Nobody is defending the crime or the criminal.
I gotta admit, I don't get it. It kinda creeps me out, but it's none of my business so long as they are happy. I do wonder how many people that get sex changes would decide not to if they could live an openly gay lifestyle. I know they are different things, but I do wonder what % that is.
But, now that taxpayers are paying for it...I think they should have a right to say hell no. I think the judge is lacking in common sense, and if that is truly the law, then the law is lacking in common sense.
WOw. : Yes the sole purpose of prisons is to oppress and make money. Can't believe we have a minority President then who stands for this shit ?! It's so much more beneficial to our society to lock up people then have them out in society being productive members.
of course it is. Why do you think the building of new prisons is always in the news? Why are these prisons always massive? Who stands to gain monetarily? The US has more people in prison than any other country in the world. Most of its prisoners are black or latino or of some race deemed to be "the other". Most prisoners are poor. Most arent serving time for murdering 15 people. Its mostly drug charges. That aint a "justice system". As I said, the if you think the justice system of the u.s. is-you commit a crime, you are arrested, have your day in court, tried by a jury of your peers, justice is blind and fair and if you are guilty are given a fair sentence-again you are having the wool pulled over your eyes.
read my other post in the DNC thread. Obama could be the worst president in history on civil rights, civil liberties and racial issues. He's done zilch to address any of those 3 issues. And discussions about racism, the drug war, racial inequality and the currupt nature of the prison industrial complex, all that coming out of the mouth of Obama? Youve got to be kidding. He'd never discuss any of those issues. The guys a multi millionaire priveledged member of society whos daughters will get into any college they want and his family is financially set for life. What does he care about any of those issues like some 16 year old black kid getting caught selling pot and is sentenced to rikers on a three strikes law and ends up serving 30 to 40 because of it?
It's in the news becasue....well it's news. I saw a report today about a new shopping mall being built where I live. It's news. Someone breaks the law...go to jail. The law is written out. We all know it. And to address your Obama point...anyone who becomes President will be "privelaged". Until Joe Crackhead runs for President what are you going to do? My advice...obey the law and everything will be fine.
your point of view implicitly suggests that anyone serving time is in there because they committed a crime. I'll refer you to the people i listed above, WM3, Peltier, unnamed and anonymous average kid in the inner city, who would beg to differ. I agree completely, if you commit a crime you should be punished, but as to what constitutes a crime (drug use, drug selling are they really crimes?) and what the punishment is (rockefeller laws, mandatory minimums, disparity of punishment with cocaine and crack), i think that is something that needs to be addressed. If you are a person of color and are poor, you arent going to be treated the same way as a wealthy yale graduate in a court of law. And as i said, the trials and proceedings are illegal to begin with, as we live on stolen land. You cant throw people in prison, not legally anyway, when you dont own the land the prisons, or jury benches are on.[/quote]
And I'll throw it to the other millions who did committ a crime. Stolen land.
Not going to try to get into an argument with anyone who is clearly looking for an outlet to be obtuse.
But the prison populations exploded when "for profit" prisons were opened. The owners lobbied for more laws, longer sentences and therefore more prisons to house people who had stolen three pieces of pizza for life. Or had sex without revealing they were HIV+. Or didn't have their passport while being Latino in Arizona.
As you were.
Don't do any of that and you don;t go to prison. Pretty simple.
prisons are so over crowded that some criminals are released early ...
True.
We have to build more of them to protect the country from those hooligans that... Spray paint walls and steal packages of gum.
:?
Both criminal actions. Would you like to single handedly pay for all of the spray painted walls to be covered and stolen gum today? Or how about if I spray paint your house? Would you want me to pay for that?
I bet you got all tingly and excited saying "he" over and over, didn't you?
Nobody is defending the crime or the criminal.
it is true "he's" always make me tingle a bit
Understandable, only this particular individual is a she. We can try to be respectful and understanding of transgendered individuals as the topic is discussed. What a snarky title to the article btw.
Normally I would be understanding and respectful ...
when he strangled his wife and dumped her body
that affected my understanding and respect a bit go figure :?
She trusted him, I think of her life over 20 years ago. Where is the compassion for her?
the real her by the way.
The only reason this man is a woman is because we not only allowed
but paid for hormone replacements and hair removal treatments in prison :wtf:
that should be against the law! let alone a 20,000 surgery to come :fp:
As one can tell I think this is ridiculous treatment for a convicted murderer.
Prisons aren't run by the government just to house criminals. They are now run by corporations that get paid by the government to run them and they make a profit doing it. Which means to grow profits, they lobby for more new laws and longer sentences.
Anyway, I'm game for longer sentences for the pieces of shit who rape kids, repeatedly drive drunk, commit horrific acts.
Well good. But there are a lot of people in jail for insane lengths of time for things that are folly at best. Most of them poor black men without access to proper legal representation. Did you know there are people in jail for years because they "stole" free wireless Internet from a coffee place without buying coffee? You're paying for those dangerous criminals to be housed.
I'm fine with no long-term housing of those who've committed petty crimes (although if you've committed two felonies and know there's a three-strike law in place, hello! Don't fucking steal any pizza).
When you're homeless, hungry and desperate, taking a piece of pizza is sometimes your only option. I'm not saying that's ok but I certainly don't see how sending that person to jail for life is a solution. Unless you own a for-profit prison.
Yeah, one should be in jail for knowingly exposing another to HIV.
Even if you practice safe sex, use condoms, have a viral load of zero and no one was infected? Because that carries a 25-year sentence. That you're paying for.
As for the last point? Not related, and strikes me a bit as grasping at straws.
Well actually it IS related.
That immigration law in Arizona that sends people to jail for just not having their papers? That was brought in by Jan Brewer, who took MASSIVE campaign contributions from the owners of for-profit prisons. Do you need a diagram to figure that one out?
OK, I wasn't aware of what for-profit prisons were about, which is why I asked. Thanks for the information.
And still, exposing someone to HIV, no matter the protections taken, I still think the other person has a right to know.
Your last point, no diagram needed, but thanks for offering.
Understandable, only this particular individual is a she. We can try to be respectful and understanding of transgendered individuals as the topic is discussed. What a snarky title to the article btw.
Normally I would be understanding and respectful ...
when he strangled his wife and dumped her body
that affected my understanding and respect a bit go figure :?
She trusted him, I think of her life over 20 years ago. Where is the compassion for her?
the real her by the way.
The only reason this man is a woman is because we not only allowed
but paid for hormone replacements and hair removal treatments in prison :wtf:
that should be against the law! let alone a 20,000 surgery to come :fp:
As one can tell I think this is ridiculous treatment for a convicted murderer.
I'm addressing your statements towards transgendered individuals in my post, not the crime nor the surgery.
The crime sounds horrific and I don't think the surgery should be paid for if similar types of medical procedures (in terms of cost, necessity) aren't allowed for other prisoners held on similar convictions. I understand your views towards this particular criminal and the crime committed, as well as the request for surgery.
No need to disrespect the transgendered while discussing this particular situation.
Just wanted to add a question - you have been a strong advocate in other threads for treatment and understanding of inmates who have schizophrenia; why not the same advocacy and understanding for those with gender identity disorder? Both are currently Axis I diagnoses in the DSM IV. Why strong advocacy for one diagnosis, but not the other?
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I do wonder how many people that get sex changes would decide not to if they could live an openly gay lifestyle. I know they are different things, but I do wonder what % that is.
That would be zero percent.
Transgendered people aren't gay.
Here's a fact that most people are shocked to learn... most transgendered people aren't gay. They're usually straight. Sexual orientation and sexual identity are two very different things.
The vast majority of biological men who are transgendered aren't sexually attracted to men. They're sexually attracted to women. But their brains are ALSO that of women. Which means they're not "gay" until after their transition.
So living "openly gay" for them would be just as wrong as me telling YOU to live openly gay and start having sex with men. It's not who you are and it's not WHAT you are.
But, now that taxpayers are paying for it...I think they should have a right to say hell no. I think the judge is lacking in common sense, and if that is truly the law, then the law is lacking in common sense.
People who are transgendered have the minds, emotions and feelings of the opposite gender. While there are many theories as to how that happens, it's thought by many that it's caused by chemical and hormone imbalances in the womb.
It's a very horrible way to live and while you may find it "weird," the only treatment is gender reassignment. It really angers me when the straight majority decides to legislate their discomfort on others.
And still, exposing someone to HIV, no matter the protections taken, I still think the other person has a right to know.
Having protected sex with someone who has an undetectable viral load is statistically a lot less dangerous than crossing the street at a crosswalk.
So by that reasoning, anyone who's driven on a residential street should be jailed for 25 years whether they hit someone or not.
While we can decide if that person has the right to know or not... 25 years in prison when the proper precautions are taken and nobody is harmed... that's just asinine.
For the record, I'm a man... married to a man. We do not think of ourselves as "women" and do not think of ourselves as feminine. We do not WANT to be women. That means we're men. Gay men. Not transgendered.
In case anyone was having a problem sorting that part out.
And still, exposing someone to HIV, no matter the protections taken, I still think the other person has a right to know.
Having protected sex with someone who has an undetectable viral load is statistically a lot less dangerous than crossing the street at a crosswalk.
So by that reasoning, anyone who's driven on a residential street should be jailed for 25 years whether they hit someone or not.
While we can decide if that person has the right to know or not... 25 years in prison when the proper precautions are taken and nobody is harmed... that's just asinine.
A hysterical reaction to an irrational fear.
I don't really agree with the car analogy but it's one that goes round and round, so...
Plus I was talking about the right to know, and withholding it. Agreed that 25 years for that (assuming the partner is actually just fine after the fact) is alot of time, but I still think it's a fucked up thing to do.
Prince, trying to respond to your post but phone messing up quote.
Just for the record, I.was just wondering if any individuals had created an alternate version of themselves to deal.with being in the closet. I imagined it would be a small amount, but I thought it reasonable that it could occur. Your explanation would say that is never the case, so I guess it want reasonable, huh?
As for your second part, I agree that me thinking it is weird doesnt mean I want it legislated that way. I was just being honest. But I still dont think we should be paying for these types of surgeries for prisoners.
Plus I was talking about the right to know, and withholding it. Agreed that 25 years for that (assuming the partner is actually just fine after the fact) is alot of time, but I still think it's a fucked up thing to do.
To some people, I guess it is.
I dunno... in my community, it's something that we just... expect.
My mother once asked me if I'd ever had sex with anyone who was HIV+ and I said "a few that I knew about at the time." She was shocked. Couldn't believe that I'd have done it. When I told her I assume I'd done it more with guys who didn't tell me she was mortified, especially when my attitude is "none of my business. I know how to protect myself because the world isn't a day care center and I'm the one responsible for my own health and safety."
I guess it's different for you, and that's fine.
But yes... 25 years? That's just insipid. Having sex with someone you don't know always carries some risk... you're an adult, you should be expected to act like one.
Just for the record, I.was just wondering if any individuals had created an alternate version of themselves to deal.with being in the closet. I imagined it would be a small amount, but I thought it reasonable that it could occur. Your explanation would say that is never the case, so I guess it want reasonable, huh?
I mean... it's happened the other way around that people being gay as a transitional stepping stone.
Chaz Bono self-identified as a lesbian for a few years until he came out as a transexual man, although he's one of the very rare cases where someone is both transexual AND gay. So he was a lesbian before he transitioned and now he's straight.
I've known a lot of trans people over the years and I've never known one who was like that.
BUT, what I think you were asking was "does anyone go through the years-long process of transitioning to the other sex so they don't have to deal with being gay?" And no, I can almost assure you that has never happened. Coming out as gay is... generally a pretty short process for most of us.
The legal process of transitioning takes years. From counseling, living as the opposite sex for a year before hormone therapy is allowed, more years for that to be done, then finally surgical procedures. It's not something you just decide to do one day.
plus lets not forget why prisons exist in the first place-to make money. The more prisons that are built, the more they can lock up people of color, and people of a low socioeconomic strata. Building a prison is big buisness. Contracts of billions of dollars, lots of jobs. Big money. And the prisoners doing work inside those prisons, how much are they making for the products they make?
the US should do what britain did all those years ago.. find an island in the sth pacific and ship the criminals down there.
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Plus I was talking about the right to know, and withholding it. Agreed that 25 years for that (assuming the partner is actually just fine after the fact) is alot of time, but I still think it's a fucked up thing to do.
To some people, I guess it is.
I dunno... in my community, it's something that we just... expect.
My mother once asked me if I'd ever had sex with anyone who was HIV+ and I said "a few that I knew about at the time." She was shocked. Couldn't believe that I'd have done it. When I told her I assume I'd done it more with guys who didn't tell me she was mortified, especially when my attitude is "none of my business. I know how to protect myself because the world isn't a day care center and I'm the one responsible for my own health and safety."
I guess it's different for you, and that's fine.
But yes... 25 years? That's just insipid. Having sex with someone you don't know always carries some risk... you're an adult, you should be expected to act like one.
I agree, although your assumption that my knowing it's up to me to protect myself is different than your view? Off-base.
your assumption that my knowing it's up to me to protect myself is different than your view? Off-base.
Then you're in the minority. There are a LOT of women out there who had unprotected sex with men and were infected with STIs and they blamed the men. Seems a lot of people think they're still in nursery school where it's everyone else's responsibility to protect them.
your assumption that my knowing it's up to me to protect myself is different than your view? Off-base.
Then you're in the minority. There are a LOT of women out there who had unprotected sex with men and were infected with STIs and they blamed the men. Seems a lot of people think they're still in nursery school where it's everyone else's responsibility to protect them.
Well, I think people are responsible for their own safety, but others have an obligation to look out for others as well, especially if it's a known risk.
I don't agree with this.. it's kinda crazy they have this many rights. They screwed up and we're paying for it. I'm all for prisoners rights but this has gone too far.
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plus lets not forget why prisons exist in the first place-to make money. The more prisons that are built, the more they can lock up people of color, and people of a low socioeconomic strata. Building a prison is big buisness. Contracts of billions of dollars, lots of jobs. Big money. And the prisoners doing work inside those prisons, how much are they making for the products they make?
the US should do what britain did all those years ago.. find an island in the sth pacific and ship the criminals down there.
they essentially do. With illegal detention centers like bagram or gitmo abu gharib, flying suspected terrorists to places outside the u.s., to some unknown location, and doing god knows what to them. Bush more so than Obama did this he'd arrest some suspected terrorist and fly them to a detention center, Obama on the other hand just flat out sends troops to kill the suspected terrorists, so he's actually worse than bush, way more militant in that arena.
I bet you got all tingly and excited saying "he" over and over, didn't you?
Nobody is defending the crime or the criminal.
I gotta admit, I don't get it. It kinda creeps me out, but it's none of my business so long as they are happy. I do wonder how many people that get sex changes would decide not to if they could live an openly gay lifestyle. I know they are different things, but I do wonder what % that is.
But, now that taxpayers are paying for it...I think they should have a right to say hell no. I think the judge is lacking in common sense, and if that is truly the law, then the law is lacking in common sense.
It's cool that you ask though, because I think a lot of people don't understand it. I think some people are creeped out by it because we as a society are conditioned to think that people have to fall into one of two categories: male or female; and that those categories have to correspond to biological sex. The reality is that gender falls on a continuum and many people don't fall into either category. For others, their biological sex contrasts with their gender identity. It's important to note that the treatment for transgendered individuals is gender reassignment/affirmation surgery, rather than trying to force people to act in more gender conforming ways. PoD did a much better job than I could of explaining how sexual orientation and gender identity differ.
I'll admit that I don't know much about the prison system or what type of medical care is provided to prisoners; that is a whole human rights issue (what rights if any do we as a society believe convicts forfeit for various crimes, sentences, etc). Gender identity disorder as a clinical diagnosis is controversial even within the treatment community and will be evolving with the DSM5, but if it causes distress or impairment, it does qualify as a clinical disorder. If the recommended treatments are provided for other clinical disorders that cause similar types of distress, there should be no difference in terms of treatment for those who are transgendered imo (in this case gender reassignment/affirmation).
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I don't agree with this.. it's kinda crazy they have this many rights. They screwed up and we're paying for it. I'm all for prisoners rights but this has gone too far.
What rights do prisoners have? Again, id be careful about suggesting life inside a prison is a paradise. Or that prisoners enjoy a life of leisure and have all the rights of non locked up citizens. Im assuming no one in this thread is a Wm3 supporter, because ive mentioned them multiple times and no ones responded. That case is textbook example of how screwy the system is.
Locked up in solitary, spending 23 hours in a cell, they cant even hug their family when they come to visit, shankings, rapes, drug dealing, police and CO curruption, gangs forming inside the prisons including white supremecists. And when they get out, they deal with latent racism, stereotypes, ignorance, inability to get a chance in terms of jobs or housing because people are wary of ex cons.
I;d suggest you take a look at state by state, the breakdown of races in terms of prisoners.
I think the issue, or the main topic of this thread is pretty much a smokescreen. The real issue isnt tax payer funded operations. Its more about questioning the entire prison system in general. Again, Im for prison abolition. Sentences are arbitrary at best.
Its a racist system. its not just. Its certainly not fair. Its a complete joke.
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nope ! the guy killed his wife and now wants the state to pay for his wacadictaoffame ? no dice.. and chances are if this story makes into the prison his time is short anyway.
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If someone with HIV has sex with another person and doesn't inform that person, whether you use protection or not, should rot in jail.
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I gotta admit, I don't get it. It kinda creeps me out, but it's none of my business so long as they are happy. I do wonder how many people that get sex changes would decide not to if they could live an openly gay lifestyle. I know they are different things, but I do wonder what % that is.
But, now that taxpayers are paying for it...I think they should have a right to say hell no. I think the judge is lacking in common sense, and if that is truly the law, then the law is lacking in common sense.
your point of view implicitly suggests that anyone serving time is in there because they committed a crime. I'll refer you to the people i listed above, WM3, Peltier, unnamed and anonymous average kid in the inner city, who would beg to differ. I agree completely, if you commit a crime you should be punished, but as to what constitutes a crime (drug use, drug selling are they really crimes?) and what the punishment is (rockefeller laws, mandatory minimums, disparity of punishment with cocaine and crack), i think that is something that needs to be addressed. If you are a person of color and are poor, you arent going to be treated the same way as a wealthy yale graduate in a court of law. And as i said, the trials and proceedings are illegal to begin with, as we live on stolen land. You cant throw people in prison, not legally anyway, when you dont own the land the prisons, or jury benches are on.[/quote]
And I'll throw it to the other millions who did committ a crime.
Don't do any of that and you don;t go to prison. Pretty simple.
Both criminal actions. Would you like to single handedly pay for all of the spray painted walls to be covered and stolen gum today? Or how about if I spray paint your house? Would you want me to pay for that?
when he strangled his wife and dumped her body
that affected my understanding and respect a bit go figure :?
She trusted him, I think of her life over 20 years ago. Where is the compassion for her?
the real her by the way.
The only reason this man is a woman is because we not only allowed
but paid for hormone replacements and hair removal treatments in prison :wtf:
that should be against the law! let alone a 20,000 surgery to come :fp:
As one can tell I think this is ridiculous treatment for a convicted murderer.
And still, exposing someone to HIV, no matter the protections taken, I still think the other person has a right to know.
Your last point, no diagram needed, but thanks for offering.
The crime sounds horrific and I don't think the surgery should be paid for if similar types of medical procedures (in terms of cost, necessity) aren't allowed for other prisoners held on similar convictions. I understand your views towards this particular criminal and the crime committed, as well as the request for surgery.
No need to disrespect the transgendered while discussing this particular situation.
Just wanted to add a question - you have been a strong advocate in other threads for treatment and understanding of inmates who have schizophrenia; why not the same advocacy and understanding for those with gender identity disorder? Both are currently Axis I diagnoses in the DSM IV. Why strong advocacy for one diagnosis, but not the other?
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That would be zero percent.
Transgendered people aren't gay.
Here's a fact that most people are shocked to learn... most transgendered people aren't gay. They're usually straight. Sexual orientation and sexual identity are two very different things.
The vast majority of biological men who are transgendered aren't sexually attracted to men. They're sexually attracted to women. But their brains are ALSO that of women. Which means they're not "gay" until after their transition.
So living "openly gay" for them would be just as wrong as me telling YOU to live openly gay and start having sex with men. It's not who you are and it's not WHAT you are.
People who are transgendered have the minds, emotions and feelings of the opposite gender. While there are many theories as to how that happens, it's thought by many that it's caused by chemical and hormone imbalances in the womb.
It's a very horrible way to live and while you may find it "weird," the only treatment is gender reassignment. It really angers me when the straight majority decides to legislate their discomfort on others.
Having protected sex with someone who has an undetectable viral load is statistically a lot less dangerous than crossing the street at a crosswalk.
So by that reasoning, anyone who's driven on a residential street should be jailed for 25 years whether they hit someone or not.
While we can decide if that person has the right to know or not... 25 years in prison when the proper precautions are taken and nobody is harmed... that's just asinine.
A hysterical reaction to an irrational fear.
In case anyone was having a problem sorting that part out.
Plus I was talking about the right to know, and withholding it. Agreed that 25 years for that (assuming the partner is actually just fine after the fact) is alot of time, but I still think it's a fucked up thing to do.
Aaaand, Jason P - once again! :P
Just for the record, I.was just wondering if any individuals had created an alternate version of themselves to deal.with being in the closet. I imagined it would be a small amount, but I thought it reasonable that it could occur. Your explanation would say that is never the case, so I guess it want reasonable, huh?
As for your second part, I agree that me thinking it is weird doesnt mean I want it legislated that way. I was just being honest. But I still dont think we should be paying for these types of surgeries for prisoners.
To some people, I guess it is.
I dunno... in my community, it's something that we just... expect.
My mother once asked me if I'd ever had sex with anyone who was HIV+ and I said "a few that I knew about at the time." She was shocked. Couldn't believe that I'd have done it. When I told her I assume I'd done it more with guys who didn't tell me she was mortified, especially when my attitude is "none of my business. I know how to protect myself because the world isn't a day care center and I'm the one responsible for my own health and safety."
I guess it's different for you, and that's fine.
But yes... 25 years? That's just insipid. Having sex with someone you don't know always carries some risk... you're an adult, you should be expected to act like one.
I mean... it's happened the other way around that people being gay as a transitional stepping stone.
Chaz Bono self-identified as a lesbian for a few years until he came out as a transexual man, although he's one of the very rare cases where someone is both transexual AND gay. So he was a lesbian before he transitioned and now he's straight.
I've known a lot of trans people over the years and I've never known one who was like that.
BUT, what I think you were asking was "does anyone go through the years-long process of transitioning to the other sex so they don't have to deal with being gay?" And no, I can almost assure you that has never happened. Coming out as gay is... generally a pretty short process for most of us.
The legal process of transitioning takes years. From counseling, living as the opposite sex for a year before hormone therapy is allowed, more years for that to be done, then finally surgical procedures. It's not something you just decide to do one day.
the US should do what britain did all those years ago.. find an island in the sth pacific and ship the criminals down there.
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Oh, how I'd like to beat the fuck out out those bastards
Then you're in the minority. There are a LOT of women out there who had unprotected sex with men and were infected with STIs and they blamed the men. Seems a lot of people think they're still in nursery school where it's everyone else's responsibility to protect them.
Well, I think people are responsible for their own safety, but others have an obligation to look out for others as well, especially if it's a known risk.
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they essentially do. With illegal detention centers like bagram or gitmo abu gharib, flying suspected terrorists to places outside the u.s., to some unknown location, and doing god knows what to them. Bush more so than Obama did this he'd arrest some suspected terrorist and fly them to a detention center, Obama on the other hand just flat out sends troops to kill the suspected terrorists, so he's actually worse than bush, way more militant in that arena.
I'll admit that I don't know much about the prison system or what type of medical care is provided to prisoners; that is a whole human rights issue (what rights if any do we as a society believe convicts forfeit for various crimes, sentences, etc). Gender identity disorder as a clinical diagnosis is controversial even within the treatment community and will be evolving with the DSM5, but if it causes distress or impairment, it does qualify as a clinical disorder. If the recommended treatments are provided for other clinical disorders that cause similar types of distress, there should be no difference in terms of treatment for those who are transgendered imo (in this case gender reassignment/affirmation).
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
What rights do prisoners have? Again, id be careful about suggesting life inside a prison is a paradise. Or that prisoners enjoy a life of leisure and have all the rights of non locked up citizens. Im assuming no one in this thread is a Wm3 supporter, because ive mentioned them multiple times and no ones responded. That case is textbook example of how screwy the system is.
Locked up in solitary, spending 23 hours in a cell, they cant even hug their family when they come to visit, shankings, rapes, drug dealing, police and CO curruption, gangs forming inside the prisons including white supremecists. And when they get out, they deal with latent racism, stereotypes, ignorance, inability to get a chance in terms of jobs or housing because people are wary of ex cons.
I;d suggest you take a look at state by state, the breakdown of races in terms of prisoners.
I think the issue, or the main topic of this thread is pretty much a smokescreen. The real issue isnt tax payer funded operations. Its more about questioning the entire prison system in general. Again, Im for prison abolition. Sentences are arbitrary at best.
Its a racist system. its not just. Its certainly not fair. Its a complete joke.
Sounds like freedom and heaven to me!