Taxpayer-funded sex change for inmate

musicismylife78

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Not going to try to get into an argument with anyone who is clearly looking for an outlet to be obtuse.

But the prison populations exploded when "for profit" prisons were opened. The owners lobbied for more laws, longer sentences and therefore more prisons to house people who had stolen three pieces of pizza for life. Or had sex without revealing they were HIV+. Or didn't have their passport while being Latino in Arizona.

As you were.

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hedonist

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Not going to try to get into an argument with anyone who is clearly looking for an outlet to be obtuse.

But the prison populations exploded when "for profit" prisons were opened. The owners lobbied for more laws, longer sentences and therefore more prisons to house people who had stolen three pieces of pizza for life. Or had sex without revealing they were HIV+. Or didn't have their passport while being Latino in Arizona.

As you were.

What exactly are "for profit" prisons?

Anyway, I'm game for longer sentences for the pieces of shit who rape kids, repeatedly drive drunk, commit horrific acts. I'm fine with no long-term housing of those who've committed petty crimes (although if you've committed two felonies and know there's a three-strike law in place, hello! Don't fucking steal any pizza).

Yeah, one should be in jail for knowingly exposing another to HIV.

As for the last point? Not related, and strikes me a bit as grasping at straws.

pandora

a little more history ...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... 04083.html

he strangled his wife and dumped her body ...
why should he have ever been allowed to have hormones, hair removal etc?
:wtf:

He had no compassion for a woman that trusted him.
He is a murderer.

Prince Of Dorkness

hedonist wrote:

What exactly are "for profit" prisons?

Exactly what they sound like.

Prisons aren't run by the government just to house criminals. They are now run by corporations that get paid by the government to run them and they make a profit doing it. Which means to grow profits, they lobby for more new laws and longer sentences.

Anyway, I'm game for longer sentences for the pieces of shit who rape kids, repeatedly drive drunk, commit horrific acts.

Well good. But there are a lot of people in jail for insane lengths of time for things that are folly at best. Most of them poor black men without access to proper legal representation. Did you know there are people in jail for years because they "stole" free wireless Internet from a coffee place without buying coffee? You're paying for those dangerous criminals to be housed.

I'm fine with no long-term housing of those who've committed petty crimes (although if you've committed two felonies and know there's a three-strike law in place, hello! Don't fucking steal any pizza).

When you're homeless, hungry and desperate, taking a piece of pizza is sometimes your only option. I'm not saying that's ok but I certainly don't see how sending that person to jail for life is a solution. Unless you own a for-profit prison.

Yeah, one should be in jail for knowingly exposing another to HIV.

Even if you practice safe sex, use condoms, have a viral load of zero and no one was infected? Because that carries a 25-year sentence. That you're paying for.

As for the last point? Not related, and strikes me a bit as grasping at straws.

Well actually it IS related.

That immigration law in Arizona that sends people to jail for just not having their papers? That was brought in by Jan Brewer, who took MASSIVE campaign contributions from the owners of for-profit prisons. Do you need a diagram to figure that one out?

Prince Of Dorkness

pandora wrote:

a little more history ...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... 04083.html

he strangled his wife and dumped her body ...
why should he have ever been allowed to have hormones, hair removal etc?
:wtf:

He had no compassion for a woman that trusted him.
He is a murderer.

I bet you got all tingly and excited saying "he" over and over, didn't you?

Nobody is defending the crime or the criminal.

Godfather.

hedonist wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Not going to try to get into an argument with anyone who is clearly looking for an outlet to be obtuse.

But the prison populations exploded when "for profit" prisons were opened. The owners lobbied for more laws, longer sentences and therefore more prisons to house people who had stolen three pieces of pizza for life. Or had sex without revealing they were HIV+. Or didn't have their passport while being Latino in Arizona.

As you were.

What exactly are "for profit" prisons?

Anyway, I'm game for longer sentences for the pieces of shit who rape kids, repeatedly drive drunk, commit horrific acts. I'm fine with no long-term housing of those who've committed petty crimes (although if you've committed two felonies and know there's a three-strike law in place, hello! Don't fucking steal any pizza).

Yeah, one should be in jail for knowingly exposing another to HIV.

As for the last point? Not related, and strikes me a bit as grasping at straws.

"for profit prisons" are booming...who said crime dosen't pay ? the state pays per inmate sent to a "for profit prison" but the problem is that prisons are so over crowded that some criminals are released early ...getting rid of "for profit prisons" is a lame idea..it's cheaper for the state or fed's to send a convicted fellen to a "for profit prison" than it is a state or federal run prison and to think that the state and fed's filled "for profit prisons" just so they could foot the bill is ....unclear thinking to say the least.

some one this thread posted to get rid of for profit prisons...bad idea.

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness

Godfather. wrote:

prisons are so over crowded that some criminals are released early ...

True.

We have to build more of them to protect the country from those hooligans that... Spray paint walls and steal packages of gum.

:?

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

prisons are so over crowded that some criminals are released early ...

True.

We have to build more of them to protect the country from those hooligans that... Spray paint walls and steal packages of gum.

:?

plain to see you know very little about the prison system,I think you've seen too many movies.
the system your thinking of is county jail...you know for stealing gum and spray painting wall's etc...... :?

Godfather.

pandora

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

a little more history ...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... 04083.html

he strangled his wife and dumped her body ...
why should he have ever been allowed to have hormones, hair removal etc?
:wtf:

He had no compassion for a woman that trusted him.
He is a murderer.

I bet you got all tingly and excited saying "he" over and over, didn't you?

Nobody is defending the crime or the criminal.

it is true "he's" always make me tingle a bit

cincybearcat

Ok, why are we talking about "for profit prisons"

Is it because everyone here already agrees the topic originally posted is absurd? Anyone think it's an ok idea?

Godfather.

cincybearcat wrote:

Ok, why are we talking about "for profit prisons"

Is it because everyone here already agrees the topic originally posted is absurd? Anyone think it's an ok idea?

nope ! the guy killed his wife and now wants the state to pay for his wacadictaoffame ? no dice.. and chances are if this story makes into the prison his time is short anyway.

Godfather.

BinauralJam

How much can it cost?

lukin2006

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Not going to try to get into an argument with anyone who is clearly looking for an outlet to be obtuse.

But the prison populations exploded when "for profit" prisons were opened. The owners lobbied for more laws, longer sentences and therefore more prisons to house people who had stolen three pieces of pizza for life. Or had sex without revealing they were HIV+. Or didn't have their passport while being Latino in Arizona.

As you were.

If someone with HIV has sex with another person and doesn't inform that person, whether you use protection or not, should rot in jail.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

a little more history ...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... 04083.html

he strangled his wife and dumped her body ...
why should he have ever been allowed to have hormones, hair removal etc?
:wtf:

He had no compassion for a woman that trusted him.
He is a murderer.

I bet you got all tingly and excited saying "he" over and over, didn't you?

Nobody is defending the crime or the criminal.

it is true "he's" always make me tingle a bit

Understandable, only this particular individual is a she. We can try to be respectful and understanding of transgendered individuals as the topic is discussed. What a snarky title to the article btw.

cincybearcat

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I bet you got all tingly and excited saying "he" over and over, didn't you?

Nobody is defending the crime or the criminal.

I gotta admit, I don't get it. It kinda creeps me out, but it's none of my business so long as they are happy. I do wonder how many people that get sex changes would decide not to if they could live an openly gay lifestyle. I know they are different things, but I do wonder what % that is.

But, now that taxpayers are paying for it...I think they should have a right to say hell no. I think the judge is lacking in common sense, and if that is truly the law, then the law is lacking in common sense.

DS1119

musicismylife78 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

WOw. : Yes the sole purpose of prisons is to oppress and make money. Can't believe we have a minority President then who stands for this shit ?! It's so much more beneficial to our society to lock up people then have them out in society being productive members.

of course it is. Why do you think the building of new prisons is always in the news? Why are these prisons always massive? Who stands to gain monetarily? The US has more people in prison than any other country in the world. Most of its prisoners are black or latino or of some race deemed to be "the other". Most prisoners are poor. Most arent serving time for murdering 15 people. Its mostly drug charges. That aint a "justice system". As I said, the if you think the justice system of the u.s. is-you commit a crime, you are arrested, have your day in court, tried by a jury of your peers, justice is blind and fair and if you are guilty are given a fair sentence-again you are having the wool pulled over your eyes.

read my other post in the DNC thread. Obama could be the worst president in history on civil rights, civil liberties and racial issues. He's done zilch to address any of those 3 issues. And discussions about racism, the drug war, racial inequality and the currupt nature of the prison industrial complex, all that coming out of the mouth of Obama? Youve got to be kidding. He'd never discuss any of those issues. The guys a multi millionaire priveledged member of society whos daughters will get into any college they want and his family is financially set for life. What does he care about any of those issues like some 16 year old black kid getting caught selling pot and is sentenced to rikers on a three strikes law and ends up serving 30 to 40 because of it?

It's in the news becasue....well it's news. I saw a report today about a new shopping mall being built where I live. It's news. Someone breaks the law...go to jail. The law is written out. We all know it. And to address your Obama point...anyone who becomes President will be "privelaged". Until Joe Crackhead runs for President what are you going to do? My advice...obey the law and everything will be fine.

your point of view implicitly suggests that anyone serving time is in there because they committed a crime. I'll refer you to the people i listed above, WM3, Peltier, unnamed and anonymous average kid in the inner city, who would beg to differ. I agree completely, if you commit a crime you should be punished, but as to what constitutes a crime (drug use, drug selling are they really crimes?) and what the punishment is (rockefeller laws, mandatory minimums, disparity of punishment with cocaine and crack), i think that is something that needs to be addressed. If you are a person of color and are poor, you arent going to be treated the same way as a wealthy yale graduate in a court of law. And as i said, the trials and proceedings are illegal to begin with, as we live on stolen land. You cant throw people in prison, not legally anyway, when you dont own the land the prisons, or jury benches are on.[/quote]


And I'll throw it to the other millions who did committ a crime. Stolen land.

DS1119

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Not going to try to get into an argument with anyone who is clearly looking for an outlet to be obtuse.

But the prison populations exploded when "for profit" prisons were opened. The owners lobbied for more laws, longer sentences and therefore more prisons to house people who had stolen three pieces of pizza for life. Or had sex without revealing they were HIV+. Or didn't have their passport while being Latino in Arizona.

As you were.

Don't do any of that and you don;t go to prison. Pretty simple.

DS1119

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

prisons are so over crowded that some criminals are released early ...

True.

We have to build more of them to protect the country from those hooligans that... Spray paint walls and steal packages of gum.

:?

Both criminal actions. Would you like to single handedly pay for all of the spray painted walls to be covered and stolen gum today? Or how about if I spray paint your house? Would you want me to pay for that?

Jason P

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I bet you got all tingly and excited saying "he" over and over, didn't you?

Nobody is defending the crime or the criminal.

it is true "he's" always make me tingle a bit

Understandable, only this particular individual is a she. We can try to be respectful and understanding of transgendered individuals as the topic is discussed. What a snarky title to the article btw.

Normally I would be understanding and respectful ...
when he strangled his wife and dumped her body
that affected my understanding and respect a bit go figure :?
She trusted him, I think of her life over 20 years ago. Where is the compassion for her?
the real her by the way.

The only reason this man is a woman is because we not only allowed
but paid for hormone replacements and hair removal treatments in prison :wtf:

that should be against the law! let alone a 20,000 surgery to come :fp:

As one can tell I think this is ridiculous treatment for a convicted murderer.