Taxpayer-funded sex change for inmate

Godfather.

A federal judge on Tuesday ordered state prison officials to provide a taxpayer-funded sex-reassignment surgery to a transgender inmate serving life in prison for murder.



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yeah the inmates got real bad inside.....

Godfather.

cincybearcat

Godfather. wrote:

A federal judge on Tuesday ordered state prison officials to provide a taxpayer-funded sex-reassignment surgery to a transgender inmate serving life in prison for murder.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09 ... z25WkgRkvO

yeah the inmates got real bad inside.....

Godfather.

Well, it would be bad if s/he didn;t want it, wouldn't it?

Hey, maybe that's what we can do to rapists...mandatory sex change!!!!

BinauralJam

That's Nuts!

Godfather.

cincybearcat wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

A federal judge on Tuesday ordered state prison officials to provide a taxpayer-funded sex-reassignment surgery to a transgender inmate serving life in prison for murder.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09 ... z25WkgRkvO

yeah the inmates got real bad inside.....

Godfather.

Well, it would be bad if s/he didn;t want it, wouldn't it?

Hey, maybe that's what we can do to rapists...mandatory sex change!!!!

YEEEESSSS!!!!!!! and pediphiles too !

Godfather.

cincybearcat

BinauralJam wrote:

That's Nuts!

Actually, it's not nuts at all!!!!

DS1119

It is crazy. If you're in prison, basic healthcare. That's it.

Godfather.

DS1119 wrote:

It is crazy. If you're in prison, basic healthcare. That's it.

they get health care,dental and optical....and now a wacadictofamee too..... oohhhhh did I post that out-loud ????

Godfather.

DS1119

Godfather. wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

It is crazy. If you're in prison, basic healthcare. That's it.

they get health care,dental and optical....and now a wacadictofamee too..... oohhhhh did I post that out-loud ????

Godfather.

Just craziness. :fp:

Prince Of Dorkness

For the record, sex reassignment surgery seldom means removing of genitals. That's usually way down the road and most don't go that far.

Usually it's hormone therapy and minor cosmetic changes AND it's also a recognized disorder for which there is a treatment and that treatment is gender reassignment.

As you were.

DS1119

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

For the record, sex reassignment surgery seldom means removing of genitals. That's usually way down the road and most don't go that far.

Usually it's hormone therapy and minor cosmetic changes AND it's also a recognized disorder for which there is a treatment and that treatment is gender reassignment.

As you were.

That's all well and good. Inmates don't deserve to have it on taxpayer's dollars. Someone wants it...go pay for it yourself. You commit a crime and are in jail, too bad. You need to wait your sentence out and then you can have all the surgery you want.

musicismylife78

DS1119 wrote:

It is crazy. If you're in prison, basic healthcare. That's it.

i'd be careful of suggesting life inside american prisons is tolerable or easy going, or nice. I think the judicial system is a disgrace, but, at least on the outside their is the suggestion that if you engage in horrible behavior, you hopefully are punished for it. I dont think thats the case inside though. I sure didnt hear Damien, Jessie and Jason extol the benevolance of the justice system all those years inside, and I certainly havent heard them say anything at all to that extent since they've been out. if anything, their actions have suggested what im saying. Things were SO BAD, that they were forced to admit "guilt" and were released. Peltiers been in prison 30 years and is routinely beaten and abused. People get put in solitary. Rapes. Shankings. Guards looking the other way. Corruption. Guards beating inmates without recorse, and in some cases beaten them so hard they kill them. Guards and higher ups and inmates all dealing drugs inside and sending it outside as well. (you see BB this past week? those werent real killings of course but that stuff is extremely common). Thats to say nothing of the racist and patriarchal nature of the prison system and in society in general.

musicismylife78

plus lets not forget why prisons exist in the first place-to make money. The more prisons that are built, the more they can lock up people of color, and people of a low socioeconomic strata. Building a prison is big buisness. Contracts of billions of dollars, lots of jobs. Big money. And the prisoners doing work inside those prisons, how much are they making for the products they make?

DS1119

musicismylife78 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

It is crazy. If you're in prison, basic healthcare. That's it.

i'd be careful of suggesting life inside american prisons is tolerable or easy going, or nice. I think the judicial system is a disgrace, but, at least on the outside their is the suggestion that if you engage in horrible behavior, you hopefully are punished for it. I dont think thats the case inside though. I sure didnt hear Damien, Jessie and Jason extol the benevolance of the justice system all those years inside, and I certainly havent heard them say anything at all to that extent since they've been out. if anything, their actions have suggested what im saying. Things were SO BAD, that they were forced to admit "guilt" and were released. Peltiers been in prison 30 years and is routinely beaten and abused. People get put in solitary. Rapes. Shankings. Guards looking the other way. Corruption. Guards beating inmates without recorse, and in some cases beaten them so hard they kill them. Guards and higher ups and inmates all dealing drugs inside and sending it outside as well. (you see BB this past week? those werent real killings of course but that stuff is extremely common). Thats to say nothing of the racist and patriarchal nature of the prison system and in society in general.

Where I have I posted that life inside prison is tolerable or easy going or nice? :? It shouldn't be. They're criminals! :fp: Basic healthcare for all is what I posted. Nothing more...nothing less. You want a sex change...great. Go do it on the outside when you're free. Pay for it on your own dime.

DS1119

musicismylife78 wrote:

plus lets not forget why prisons exist in the first place-to make money. The more prisons that are built, the more they can lock up people of color, and people of a low socioeconomic strata. Building a prison is big buisness. Contracts of billions of dollars, lots of jobs. Big money. And the prisoners doing work inside those prisons, how much are they making for the products they make?

WOw. Yes the sole purpose of prisons is to oppress and make money. Can't believe we have a minority President then who stands for this shit ?! :fp: :fp: It's so much more beneficial to our society to lock up people then have them out in society being productive members.

musicismylife78

DS1119 wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

For the record, sex reassignment surgery seldom means removing of genitals. That's usually way down the road and most don't go that far.

Usually it's hormone therapy and minor cosmetic changes AND it's also a recognized disorder for which there is a treatment and that treatment is gender reassignment.

As you were.

That's all well and good. Inmates don't deserve to have it on taxpayer's dollars. Someone wants it...go pay for it yourself. You commit a crime and are in jail, too bad. You need to wait your sentence out and then you can have all the surgery you want.

well thats an interesting point, as its true, if you want an operation on the outside it isnt tax payer funded. but your larger assertion seems false. its predicated on the idea prisoners are there for legitimate crimes they committed and that they need to serve them out. That doesnt pan out. 2 million plus prisoners in us prisons. Over 1 million plus are black men serving time for nonviolent drug offences. Thats to say nothing of latinos and other non caucasians. They didnt commit a crime, or rather didnt commit a crime worthy of imprisonment, and shouldnt have to wait their sentence out, as they shouldnt be serving any time at all.

The judicial system is a farce. And plus the american govt has no legitimate claim to the land you and I stand on. Its stolen land. Therefore the trials of these "criminals" are unjust and false, as are the sentences. The govt has no legitmate right to the land, it isnt theres, therefore anything that goes on in terms of judicial preceedings therefore is a mockery and totally falacious. If called for jury duty I'd never serve, largely for the reasons enumerated above. Anyone who thinks american justice works like you say it does is kidding themselves.

musicismylife78

DS1119 wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

plus lets not forget why prisons exist in the first place-to make money. The more prisons that are built, the more they can lock up people of color, and people of a low socioeconomic strata. Building a prison is big buisness. Contracts of billions of dollars, lots of jobs. Big money. And the prisoners doing work inside those prisons, how much are they making for the products they make?

WOw. Yes the sole purpose of prisons is to oppress and make money. Can't believe we have a minority President then who stands for this shit ?! :fp: :fp: It's so much more beneficial to our society to lock up people then have them out in society being productive members.

of course it is. Why do you think the building of new prisons is always in the news? Why are these prisons always massive? Who stands to gain monetarily? The US has more people in prison than any other country in the world. Most of its prisoners are black or latino or of some race deemed to be "the other". Most prisoners are poor. Most arent serving time for murdering 15 people. Its mostly drug charges. That aint a "justice system". As I said, the if you think the justice system of the u.s. is-you commit a crime, you are arrested, have your day in court, tried by a jury of your peers, justice is blind and fair and if you are guilty are given a fair sentence-again you are having the wool pulled over your eyes.

read my other post in the DNC thread. Obama could be the worst president in history on civil rights, civil liberties and racial issues. He's done zilch to address any of those 3 issues. And discussions about racism, the drug war, racial inequality and the currupt nature of the prison industrial complex, all that coming out of the mouth of Obama? Youve got to be kidding. He'd never discuss any of those issues. The guys a multi millionaire priveledged member of society whos daughters will get into any college they want and his family is financially set for life. What does he care about any of those issues like some 16 year old black kid getting caught selling pot and is sentenced to rikers on a three strikes law and ends up serving 30 to 40 because of it?

DS1119

musicismylife78 wrote:

well thats an interesting point, as its true, if you want an operation on the outside it isnt tax payer funded. but your larger assertion seems false. its predicated on the idea prisoners are there for legitimate crimes they committed and that they need to serve them out. That doesnt pan out. 2 million plus prisoners in us prisons. Over 1 million plus are black men serving time for nonviolent drug offences. Thats to say nothing of latinos and other non caucasians. They didnt commit a crime, or rather didnt commit a crime worthy of imprisonment, and shouldnt have to wait their sentence out, as they shouldnt be serving any time at all.

The judicial system is a farce. And plus the american govt has no legitimate claim to the land you and I stand on. Its stolen land. Therefore the trials of these "criminals" are unjust and false, as are the sentences. The govt has no legitmate right to the land, it isnt theres, therefore anything that goes on in terms of judicial preceedings therefore is a mockery and totally falacious. If called for jury duty I'd never serve, largely for the reasons enumerated above. Anyone who thinks american justice works like you say it does is kidding themselves.

Well until the people we "stole" the land from come and take it back...I guess it belongs to the US. Looking through history books I seem to remember that all land actually belonged to someone else before the people that are there now claim it as they're own. And as far as a racial breakdown or profile of who's in prison...I could care less. If you break the law...go to jail. Pretty simple. :fp:

DS1119

musicismylife78 wrote:

WOw. : Yes the sole purpose of prisons is to oppress and make money. Can't believe we have a minority President then who stands for this shit ?! :fp: :fp: It's so much more beneficial to our society to lock up people then have them out in society being productive members.

of course it is. Why do you think the building of new prisons is always in the news? Why are these prisons always massive? Who stands to gain monetarily? The US has more people in prison than any other country in the world. Most of its prisoners are black or latino or of some race deemed to be "the other". Most prisoners are poor. Most arent serving time for murdering 15 people. Its mostly drug charges. That aint a "justice system". As I said, the if you think the justice system of the u.s. is-you commit a crime, you are arrested, have your day in court, tried by a jury of your peers, justice is blind and fair and if you are guilty are given a fair sentence-again you are having the wool pulled over your eyes.

read my other post in the DNC thread. Obama could be the worst president in history on civil rights, civil liberties and racial issues. He's done zilch to address any of those 3 issues. And discussions about racism, the drug war, racial inequality and the currupt nature of the prison industrial complex, all that coming out of the mouth of Obama? Youve got to be kidding. He'd never discuss any of those issues. The guys a multi millionaire priveledged member of society whos daughters will get into any college they want and his family is financially set for life. What does he care about any of those issues like some 16 year old black kid getting caught selling pot and is sentenced to rikers on a three strikes law and ends up serving 30 to 40 because of it?[/quote]

It's in the news becasue....well it's news. I saw a report today about a new shopping mall being built where I live. It's news. Someone breaks the law...go to jail. The law is written out. We all know it. And to address your Obama point...anyone who becomes President will be "privelaged". Until Joe Crackhead runs for President what are you going to do? My advice...obey the law and everything will be fine.

musicismylife78

DS1119 wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

WOw. : Yes the sole purpose of prisons is to oppress and make money. Can't believe we have a minority President then who stands for this shit ?! :fp: :fp: It's so much more beneficial to our society to lock up people then have them out in society being productive members.

of course it is. Why do you think the building of new prisons is always in the news? Why are these prisons always massive? Who stands to gain monetarily? The US has more people in prison than any other country in the world. Most of its prisoners are black or latino or of some race deemed to be "the other". Most prisoners are poor. Most arent serving time for murdering 15 people. Its mostly drug charges. That aint a "justice system". As I said, the if you think the justice system of the u.s. is-you commit a crime, you are arrested, have your day in court, tried by a jury of your peers, justice is blind and fair and if you are guilty are given a fair sentence-again you are having the wool pulled over your eyes.

read my other post in the DNC thread. Obama could be the worst president in history on civil rights, civil liberties and racial issues. He's done zilch to address any of those 3 issues. And discussions about racism, the drug war, racial inequality and the currupt nature of the prison industrial complex, all that coming out of the mouth of Obama? Youve got to be kidding. He'd never discuss any of those issues. The guys a multi millionaire priveledged member of society whos daughters will get into any college they want and his family is financially set for life. What does he care about any of those issues like some 16 year old black kid getting caught selling pot and is sentenced to rikers on a three strikes law and ends up serving 30 to 40 because of it?

It's in the news becasue....well it's news. I saw a report today about a new shopping mall being built where I live. It's news. Someone breaks the law...go to jail. The law is written out. We all know it. And to address your Obama point...anyone who becomes President will be "privelaged". Until Joe Crackhead runs for President what are you going to do? My advice...obey the law and everything will be fine. [/quote]


your point of view implicitly suggests that anyone serving time is in there because they committed a crime. I'll refer you to the people i listed above, WM3, Peltier, unnamed and anonymous average kid in the inner city, who would beg to differ. I agree completely, if you commit a crime you should be punished, but as to what constitutes a crime (drug use, drug selling are they really crimes?) and what the punishment is (rockefeller laws, mandatory minimums, disparity of punishment with cocaine and crack), i think that is something that needs to be addressed. If you are a person of color and are poor, you arent going to be treated the same way as a wealthy yale graduate in a court of law. And as i said, the trials and proceedings are illegal to begin with, as we live on stolen land. You cant throw people in prison, not legally anyway, when you dont own the land the prisons, or jury benches are on.

musicismylife78

further are prisons even useful? Throwing someone into a prison, where they are in a cell smaller than most peoples bathrooms, and they spend 23 hours a day there. Throw in racist and crooked guards, rape, shankings, abuse, drug dealing, beatings, and you have the recipe for an absolute disaster. Then when you consider that most are there because of a racist and currupt system, you realize these are innocent men being put through all this.

No one deserves that. Im for prison abolition. And the freeing of all political prisoners. I refuse to pay for more prisons being built. And refuse to vote for anyone who would build more prisons.

Prince Of Dorkness

Not going to try to get into an argument with anyone who is clearly looking for an outlet to be obtuse.

But the prison populations exploded when "for profit" prisons were opened. The owners lobbied for more laws, longer sentences and therefore more prisons to house people who had stolen three pieces of pizza for life. Or had sex without revealing they were HIV+. Or didn't have their passport while being Latino in Arizona.

As you were.