SEAL Book Raises Questions About Bin Laden's Death

Cosmo

DS1119 wrote:

Question: But if this SEAL is correct...and I have no reason to believe it wouldn't be...why the change of story to the public last year?

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Answer: Politics.
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Advice: Don't play into the hands of the people trying to mold your mind towards their way of thinking. Think for yourself.

JonnyPistachio

Im always skeptical of these things...both the govt's account, and this "author."
Why did this guy write this book? Because he wanted us to be informed or get it off his shoulders? I doubt it. He wanted to make $money$ probably. ANd if he rehashes the same story we already know, how many will buy the book? Or if he tells us there's some controversy and the govt isnt being truthful and its pasted all over the internet and TV, how many more will buy the book to see this "new and controversial stuff"?

Mu guess is we'll never know what happened, and this author may or may not have even been there. In fact, im surprised the govt didnt make these SEALS guarantee they stay quiet.

Godfather.

Cosmo wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

If this SEAL is correct with his statements in the book, I just wonder why the Obama administration chose to change the story? That's the reason for my post. I also like the fact that the author mentions the SEALS making fun of Obama and Biden but that's a personal pleasure.

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So, are you trying to politicize the raid? Because, it sure sounds like it.
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As for the author... members of elite military operations like to remain anonymous. They do so out of necessity. If their identity is known, then they place their family members at risk of being taken hostage in order to extract information about strategic and tactical operations, other team member identities, mission specifics, etc...

so do you think the book is bullshit ? I just skimmed thru the post's I apologize if I missed that, but you make a good point here..maybe the guy is a NS but had nothing to do with the bin laden hit ?

Godfather.

DS1119

dimitrispearljam wrote:

special forces when they act ALWAYS leak different stories out,after the official statement..
i know that from my job...and its the right thing to do.....public no need to know real or all the facts how team acted..

I have to respectfully disagree with this statement. One of my best friends (known him over 20 years and stood up in his wedding) is involved with this stuff. He's currently in Turkey. No matter how drunk we get him he never discloses exactly what he does...only we know he's in the Navy. Frustrating but funny at the same time. :fp:

Cosmo

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Im always skeptical of these things...both the govt's account, and this "author."
Why did this guy write this book? Because he wanted us to be informed or get it off his shoulders? I doubt it. He wanted to make $money$ probably. ANd if he rehashes the same story we already know, how many will buy the book? Or if he tells us there's some controversy and the govt isnt being truthful and its pasted all over the internet and TV, how many more will buy the book to see this "new and controversial stuff"?

Mu guess is we'll never know what happened, and this author may or may not have even been there. In fact, im surprised the govt didnt make these SEALS guarantee they stay quiet.

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Bingo! We will never know the truth.
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All personel that close to a classified tactical mission are de-briefed after the mission. They are told what that can and cannot disclose. This goes beyond their years of active service. We have not idea what th parameters of that de-brief encompasses. Best we can do is speculate... in others words... guess.

dimitrispearljam

hedonist wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

special forces when they act ALWAYS leak different stories out,after the official statement..
i know that from my job...and its the right thing to do.....public no need to know real or all the facts how team acted..

I am totally cool with this.

sure..i tell this...i m not sure if even SEAL was the team act....maybe was another special force..
never will know the real facts..and again,is the right thing to do..

DS1119

Cosmo wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Im always skeptical of these things...both the govt's account, and this "author."
Why did this guy write this book? Because he wanted us to be informed or get it off his shoulders? I doubt it. He wanted to make $money$ probably. ANd if he rehashes the same story we already know, how many will buy the book? Or if he tells us there's some controversy and the govt isnt being truthful and its pasted all over the internet and TV, how many more will buy the book to see this "new and controversial stuff"?

Mu guess is we'll never know what happened, and this author may or may not have even been there. In fact, im surprised the govt didnt make these SEALS guarantee they stay quiet.

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Bingo! We will never know the truth.
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All personel that close to a classified tactical mission are de-briefed after the mission. They are told what that can and cannot disclose. This goes beyond their years of active service. We have not idea what th parameters of that de-brief encompasses. Best we can do is speculate... in others words... guess.

I'm guessing what the author wrote is what actually happened.

Cosmo

Godfather. wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

As for the author... members of elite military operations like to remain anonymous. They do so out of necessity. If their identity is known, then they place their family members at risk of being taken hostage in order to extract information about strategic and tactical operations, other team member identities, mission specifics, etc...

so do you think the book is bullshit ? I just skimmed thru the post's I apologize if I missed that, but you make a good point here..maybe the guy is a NS but had nothing to do with the bin laden hit ?

Godfather.

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I am saying, my friend, that I don't know.
I do know a bit about military protocol and such and it is a risky move for some one assigned to what was basically an assasination mission to reveal himself. Maybe, his parents are dead, he was an only child and is unmarried with no kids... okay. But, he is still a member of a team and has information about his team mates in his head that may be of use to someone looking to avenge the death of Bin Laden.
There's a reason why the military picks certain individuals as candidates for these types of operations... so they don't go off the ranch and endanger the lives of their team mates and/or their families.

Cosmo

DS1119 wrote:

I'm guessing what the author wrote is what actually happened.

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Which, by your own account, is a guess. Something that has not validity, fact or truth... right? Because that is what a guess is... a guess.

BinauralJam

if he's even dead....

DS1119

Cosmo wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

I'm guessing what the author wrote is what actually happened.

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Which, by your own account, is a guess. Something that has not validity, fact or truth... right? Because that is what a guess is... a guess.

Not what I meant so I'll reword what I wrote. What I believe happened is what the author wrote instead of what was fed to everyone last year. I certainly have to believe that if this was false...or as someone suggested this gentleman wasn't even there...I doubt the government would be involved and investigating if "any classified information" was disclosed in the book. It's already confirmed he was a SEAL, and his identity is confirmed as well.

dimitrispearljam

Cosmo wrote:

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There's a reason why the military picks certain individuals as candidates for these types of operations... so they don't go off the ranch and endanger the lives of their team mates and/or their families.

exactly...

DS1119

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

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There's a reason why the military picks certain individuals as candidates for these types of operations... so they don't go off the ranch and endanger the lives of their team mates and/or their families.

exactly...

Not true even though this is off topic. I do believe, just to name one example, Jesse Ventura was a Navy SEAL. He became a professional wrestler and then a Governor. He then hosted a show on TRUTV talking about government conspiracies.

Cliffy6745

My one big questions are the differences in this story really all that big? It seems like the difference is the guys position and whether he was holding a gun. This was an assiniation mission from the start. Why does it matter?

Also as someone who has read many seal books from lutrell to Somalia, this book is clearly for a lot of money and is not going to go over well in the military community, especially with the seals. This guy must have gotten a lot of money to lose all respect of anyone he has worked with.

If this is the biggest issue then it's a non issue. I also think its pretty funny that he gave him credit for going forward with the raid since he knew nothing of the intelligence they. "I give the guy credit for doing something I know nothing about"

Cliffy6745

I also find it hilarious that some seals are bashing Obama for details and saying it compromises their safety while others are writing books about it giving out more details.

DS1119

Cliffy6745 wrote:

My one big questions are the differences in this story really all that big?

If they weren't big, and what this SEAL says is correct, why weren't we just told this last year? WHy a different story with computer graphics, television specials, etc. detailing a whole different story? That's all I'm wondering. We have two different stories for the same event. For me, I'll believe the guy who was there.

Cliffy6745

DS1119 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

My one big questions are the differences in this story really all that big?

If they weren't big, and what this SEAL says is correct, why weren't we just told this last year? WHy a different story with computer graphics, television specials, etc. detailing a whole different story? That's all I'm wondering. We have two different stories for the same event. For me, I'll believe the guy who was there.

I don't know. I guess I just don't really give a shit if he was standing 5 feet away from where he was described as standing and whether he was armed. It was an assiniation mission. For a bombshell book, these details are pretty weak.

DS1119

Cliffy6745 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

My one big questions are the differences in this story really all that big?

If they weren't big, and what this SEAL says is correct, why weren't we just told this last year? WHy a different story with computer graphics, television specials, etc. detailing a whole different story? That's all I'm wondering. We have two different stories for the same event. For me, I'll believe the guy who was there.

I don't know. I guess I just don't really give a shit if he was standing 5 feet away from where he was described as standing and whether he was armed. It was an assiniation mission. For a bombshell book, these details are pretty weak.

Not really if it shows the administration was willing to lie about the details of such a mission to us and still lwon't comment on it.

Cliffy6745

That said, I'll most definitely read it though. I am a sucker for these books. If I could get through the Marcus lutrell political shit, I am sure I can get through this.

Cliffy6745

Please, this is the least of the lies that have been hidden in this war. You are going to accuse me of being a typical democrat but whether he was holding a gun is slightly less appalling than lying to part tillmans family about how he was killed and using him as propaganda. At least Obama is using our biggest enemy for propaganda and not a hero. Or about blackwaters role or about torture.

I guess whether the dude was holding a gun and standing a few yards from where he was described is as big of an issue to some. I don't see it