I'm guessing what the author wrote is what actually happened.
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Which, by your own account, is a guess. Something that has not validity, fact or truth... right? Because that is what a guess is... a guess.
Not what I meant so I'll reword what I wrote. What I believe happened is what the author wrote instead of what was fed to everyone last year. I certainly have to believe that if this was false...or as someone suggested this gentleman wasn't even there...I doubt the government would be involved and investigating if "any classified information" was disclosed in the book. It's already confirmed he was a SEAL, and his identity is confirmed as well.
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There's a reason why the military picks certain individuals as candidates for these types of operations... so they don't go off the ranch and endanger the lives of their team mates and/or their families.
exactly...
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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There's a reason why the military picks certain individuals as candidates for these types of operations... so they don't go off the ranch and endanger the lives of their team mates and/or their families.
exactly...
Not true even though this is off topic. I do believe, just to name one example, Jesse Ventura was a Navy SEAL. He became a professional wrestler and then a Governor. He then hosted a show on TRUTV talking about government conspiracies.
My one big questions are the differences in this story really all that big? It seems like the difference is the guys position and whether he was holding a gun. This was an assiniation mission from the start. Why does it matter?
Also as someone who has read many seal books from lutrell to Somalia, this book is clearly for a lot of money and is not going to go over well in the military community, especially with the seals. This guy must have gotten a lot of money to lose all respect of anyone he has worked with.
If this is the biggest issue then it's a non issue. I also think its pretty funny that he gave him credit for going forward with the raid since he knew nothing of the intelligence they. "I give the guy credit for doing something I know nothing about"
I also find it hilarious that some seals are bashing Obama for details and saying it compromises their safety while others are writing books about it giving out more details.
My one big questions are the differences in this story really all that big?
If they weren't big, and what this SEAL says is correct, why weren't we just told this last year? WHy a different story with computer graphics, television specials, etc. detailing a whole different story? That's all I'm wondering. We have two different stories for the same event. For me, I'll believe the guy who was there.
My one big questions are the differences in this story really all that big?
If they weren't big, and what this SEAL says is correct, why weren't we just told this last year? WHy a different story with computer graphics, television specials, etc. detailing a whole different story? That's all I'm wondering. We have two different stories for the same event. For me, I'll believe the guy who was there.
I don't know. I guess I just don't really give a shit if he was standing 5 feet away from where he was described as standing and whether he was armed. It was an assiniation mission. For a bombshell book, these details are pretty weak.
My one big questions are the differences in this story really all that big?
If they weren't big, and what this SEAL says is correct, why weren't we just told this last year? WHy a different story with computer graphics, television specials, etc. detailing a whole different story? That's all I'm wondering. We have two different stories for the same event. For me, I'll believe the guy who was there.
I don't know. I guess I just don't really give a shit if he was standing 5 feet away from where he was described as standing and whether he was armed. It was an assiniation mission. For a bombshell book, these details are pretty weak.
Not really if it shows the administration was willing to lie about the details of such a mission to us and still lwon't comment on it.
That said, I'll most definitely read it though. I am a sucker for these books. If I could get through the Marcus lutrell political shit, I am sure I can get through this.
Please, this is the least of the lies that have been hidden in this war. You are going to accuse me of being a typical democrat but whether he was holding a gun is slightly less appalling than lying to part tillmans family about how he was killed and using him as propaganda. At least Obama is using our biggest enemy for propaganda and not a hero. Or about blackwaters role or about torture.
I guess whether the dude was holding a gun and standing a few yards from where he was described is as big of an issue to some. I don't see it
Please, this is the least of the lies that have been hidden in this war. You are going to accuse me of being a typical democrat but whether he was holding a gun is slightly less appalling than lying to part tillmans family about how he was killed and using him as propaganda. At least Obama is using our biggest enemy for propaganda and not a hero. Or about blackwaters role or about torture.
I guess whether the dude was holding a gun and standing a few yards from where he was described is as big of an issue to some. I don't see it
Not true even though this is off topic. I do believe, just to name one example, Jesse Ventura was a Navy SEAL. He became a professional wrestler and then a Governor. He then hosted a show on TRUTV talking about government conspiracies.
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Apples and Raisins.
When was Jesse Ventura serving... was he assigned to mission similar to the assassination of Bin Laden? If so, has that mission been de-classified? If it is still classified, what did/oes he say about it to the general public?
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Your overall comment would be true if the Bin Laden raid has been de-classified. Has it?
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ok, what we have is one mans account out of x number of seals present. I think the account we got last year was one that was a rough consensus after debrief.
So take his account for whatever its worth. One mans account.
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the Bin Laden raid has been de-classified. Has it?
i dont see this happening for the next 30 years...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Not true even though this is off topic. I do believe, just to name one example, Jesse Ventura was a Navy SEAL. He became a professional wrestler and then a Governor. He then hosted a show on TRUTV talking about government conspiracies.
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Apples and Raisins.
When was Jesse Ventura serving... was he assigned to mission similar to the assassination of Bin Laden? If so, has that mission been de-classified? If it is still classified, what did/oes he say about it to the general public?
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Your overall comment would be true if the Bin Laden raid has been de-classified. Has it?
I brought Jesse Ventura up to anaswer another question. I can't speak about what he has or hasn't done. I do know I have seen interviews where he details some of the things he did.
What people are forgetting is what this SEAL is doing is not illegal. The government will examine the transcript and if there's something illegal, he will be charged accordingly. I tend to put more stock in what a Navy SEAL says than any politician.
I brought Jesse Ventura up to anaswer another question. I can't speak about what he has or hasn't done. I do know I have seen interviews where he details some of the things he did.
What people are forgetting is what this SEAL is doing is not illegal. The government will examine the transcript and if there's something illegal, he will be charged accordingly. I tend to put more stock in what a Navy SEAL says than any politician.
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Who said anything about illegal? Weren't me... was it?
I'm on the side where I'm smart enough to know the difference between 'The Official Line' and the 'Actual Truth' and they don't exactly coincide. The operations team member does not have to maintain diplomatic ties with foriegn governments and all of that politial bullshit.
Go back as read what BlackRedYellow wrote about what happened and what the official story was. He nailed it right on the head.
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I'd never heard of this incident. By the power of Wikipedia, I'm now a little more informed.
I'm not saying this was the first time the government misled the public. Who knows how far back that kind of stuff goes? :roll:
This was just one of the more egregious examples and it led to a significant change in policy by effectively granting the president the ability to wage war without a declaration from Congress.
I'm on the side where I'm smart enough to know the difference between 'The Official Line' and the 'Actual Truth' and they don't exactly coincide. The operations team member does not have to maintain diplomatic ties with foriegn governments and all of that politial bullshit.
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i can tell than from what i read from you that you know and understand alot how military works...
is like im listening an officer to talk at a briefing...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Some one posted something here that what the SEAL did was illegal. There is nothing illegal about him writing a book. This SEAL is still a hero and deserves our respect even if people dont agree with him. As a matter of fact there is a movie coming in December, Zero Dark Thirty, show how White House officals cooperated with the film makers. I dont see anything wrong with that either as long as security is not compromised.
Some one posted something here that what the SEAL did was illegal. There is nothing illegal about him writing a book. This SEAL is still a hero and deserves our respect even if people dont agree with him. As a matter of fact there is a movie coming in December, Zero Dark Thirty, show how White House officals cooperated with the film makers. I dont see anything wrong with that either as long as security is not compromised.
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It all depends on the classification of the mission. If they were told to remain silent... they are supposed to remain silent. Just like a judge can order jurors to avoid any news about the case or face charges of juror misconduct.
Until we gain access to the classification documents and the minutes of the de-briefing... all we can do is guess.
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Bottom line... Great Job Seal Team Six, taking out Bin Laden was the right call to make. How the plan was executed and shot shot whom where... I really don't give a fuck. I'm just glad we don't have to deal with fuck nuts kidnapping people and demanding his release.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Getting back to the topic, do you think the mission will ever de de-classified? I dont think so.
The reason being is that it would provide names of those who assisted us. I know that there's the
Pakistani doctor who is in prison now...but I think there was more than him.
Getting back to the topic, do you think the mission will ever de de-classified? I dont think so.
The reason being is that it would provide names of those who assisted us. I know that there's the
Pakistani doctor who is in prison now...but I think there was more than him.
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No. and it should not be... for a long, long time.
There are just some awful things you must do in this world. Sometimes, you have to do bad shit... often times, bordering evil shit. Going around and bragging about it is being a dick. That's what the sugar coating is for... to make the bad shit easier for the citizenry to swallow.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Getting back to the topic, do you think the mission will ever de de-classified? I dont think so.
The reason being is that it would provide names of those who assisted us. I know that there's the
Pakistani doctor who is in prison now...but I think there was more than him.
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No. and it should not be... for a long, long time.
There are just some awful things you must do in this world. Sometimes, you have to do bad shit... often times, bordering evil shit. Going around and bragging about it is being a dick. That's what the sugar coating is for... to make the bad shit easier for the citizenry to swallow.
You are correct...unfortantely. Too many crazies out there.
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Not what I meant so I'll reword what I wrote. What I believe happened is what the author wrote instead of what was fed to everyone last year. I certainly have to believe that if this was false...or as someone suggested this gentleman wasn't even there...I doubt the government would be involved and investigating if "any classified information" was disclosed in the book. It's already confirmed he was a SEAL, and his identity is confirmed as well.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Not true even though this is off topic. I do believe, just to name one example, Jesse Ventura was a Navy SEAL. He became a professional wrestler and then a Governor. He then hosted a show on TRUTV talking about government conspiracies.
Also as someone who has read many seal books from lutrell to Somalia, this book is clearly for a lot of money and is not going to go over well in the military community, especially with the seals. This guy must have gotten a lot of money to lose all respect of anyone he has worked with.
If this is the biggest issue then it's a non issue. I also think its pretty funny that he gave him credit for going forward with the raid since he knew nothing of the intelligence they. "I give the guy credit for doing something I know nothing about"
If they weren't big, and what this SEAL says is correct, why weren't we just told this last year? WHy a different story with computer graphics, television specials, etc. detailing a whole different story? That's all I'm wondering. We have two different stories for the same event. For me, I'll believe the guy who was there.
I don't know. I guess I just don't really give a shit if he was standing 5 feet away from where he was described as standing and whether he was armed. It was an assiniation mission. For a bombshell book, these details are pretty weak.
Not really if it shows the administration was willing to lie about the details of such a mission to us and still lwon't comment on it.
I guess whether the dude was holding a gun and standing a few yards from where he was described is as big of an issue to some. I don't see it
336 pages.
Although I think the guy is a dick for spilling his guts ... I pre-ordered it. :oops:
Apples and Raisins.
When was Jesse Ventura serving... was he assigned to mission similar to the assassination of Bin Laden? If so, has that mission been de-classified? If it is still classified, what did/oes he say about it to the general public?
...
Your overall comment would be true if the Bin Laden raid has been de-classified. Has it?
Hail, Hail!!!
So take his account for whatever its worth. One mans account.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I brought Jesse Ventura up to anaswer another question. I can't speak about what he has or hasn't done. I do know I have seen interviews where he details some of the things he did.
What people are forgetting is what this SEAL is doing is not illegal. The government will examine the transcript and if there's something illegal, he will be charged accordingly. I tend to put more stock in what a Navy SEAL says than any politician.
Who said anything about illegal? Weren't me... was it?
I'm on the side where I'm smart enough to know the difference between 'The Official Line' and the 'Actual Truth' and they don't exactly coincide. The operations team member does not have to maintain diplomatic ties with foriegn governments and all of that politial bullshit.
Go back as read what BlackRedYellow wrote about what happened and what the official story was. He nailed it right on the head.
Hail, Hail!!!
This was just one of the more egregious examples and it led to a significant change in policy by effectively granting the president the ability to wage war without a declaration from Congress.
is like im listening an officer to talk at a briefing...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
It all depends on the classification of the mission. If they were told to remain silent... they are supposed to remain silent. Just like a judge can order jurors to avoid any news about the case or face charges of juror misconduct.
Until we gain access to the classification documents and the minutes of the de-briefing... all we can do is guess.
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Bottom line... Great Job Seal Team Six, taking out Bin Laden was the right call to make. How the plan was executed and shot shot whom where... I really don't give a fuck. I'm just glad we don't have to deal with fuck nuts kidnapping people and demanding his release.
Hail, Hail!!!
Naw... he's deader than Elvis.
Hail, Hail!!!
Getting back to the topic, do you think the mission will ever de de-classified? I dont think so.
The reason being is that it would provide names of those who assisted us. I know that there's the
Pakistani doctor who is in prison now...but I think there was more than him.
No. and it should not be... for a long, long time.
There are just some awful things you must do in this world. Sometimes, you have to do bad shit... often times, bordering evil shit. Going around and bragging about it is being a dick. That's what the sugar coating is for... to make the bad shit easier for the citizenry to swallow.
Hail, Hail!!!
You are correct...unfortantely. Too many crazies out there.
if he is killed by an american bullet it is an american victory
if he kills himself he is a martyr to his supporters.
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